[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[iCEBREAKER]

dashevolution.com...

*clicky*

We will be writing the software for this project in stages, the first stage will take about 2 months to have a very early prototype for Dash Evolution that includes a basic implementation of DashDrive, Primitives, DAPI and a simple T3 wallet. In six to eight months, we should be entering testnet phase with most basic functionality. In 12-18 months, we plan for the first release version (a stable prototype).

Included below is our current work on Evolution, that adds many components such as:

    DashDrive – A decentralized shared file system that lives on the second tier network
    DAPI – A decentralized API which allows third tier users to access the network securely
    DashPay Decentralized Wallets – These wallets are light clients connected to the network via DAPI and run on various platforms
    Second Tier – The masternode network, which provides compensated infrastructure for the project
    Budgets – The second tier is given voting power to allocate funds for specific projects on the network via the budget system
    Governance – The second tier is given voting power to govern the currency and chart the course the currency takes
    Quorum Chain – This feature introduces a permanent stable masternode list, which can be used to calculate past and present quorums
    Social Wallet – We introduce a social wallet, which allows friends lists, grouping of users and shared multisig accounts.
    DSQL – A query language for administering the network via majority quorums (banning users, setting important network variables such as sporks on/off, etc)

Evolution is nothing but a roadmap?

It was sold to us as some crazy revolutionary new game-changing feature.

And it turns out to actually be nothing more than a giant stack of vaporware.

Why not first finish working on Masternode blinding, and reducing the hours-to-days coin mixing time down to something reasonable (and competitive), instead of doing crap like DashDrive?

There are a dozen other "decentralized shared file system" projects out there, like Storj and Sia and Maidsafe.

Why would Dash be making yet another me-too one of those, instead of fixing the ridiculous hours-to-days problem with its broken coin mixing?!?

"banning users?"  WTF.  So I have to not offend anyone at The Darkcoin Foundation Inc or risk being banned?  Can Evan reverse transactions also?  OMG I can't even...

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Remote Dash n' Drink Purchase using Dash's InstantX:

http://youtu.be/kO7CEq80ASs

What a great promotional piece ToS, Love it!

Thank you for your kind words.

[AlexGR]

Yeah, the Evolution demo ED gave earlier today.

I watched it and I don't remember anything about it being mandatory. The user accounts are trading addresses in order to send transactions. Why couldn't you just send to an address without using an account?

The whole third tier is designed around having some sort of pseudonym on the network, so yes to use Evolution it would be mandatory. However, nothing is really finalized at this point. I'm still really early in the process of designing the system. Was there some problem with have a permanent pseudonym? If it were mandatory, that would mean you couldn't use evolution without an account on the network, but it doesn't mean anything you do on the network with that account would be identifiable. It's just a means of connecting people who want to be connected basically.

Yeah, Evan, could we just make the whole social networking thing optional? Some of us would prefer using Dash only as a currency for what it inherently is.. Btw thank you for all of this and your ongoing commitment.

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My understanding is that Evolution is in the 3rd tier so the 1st and 2nd ones will provide the same functionality they provide today.
Evolution is optional as in Paypal is optional.

That would be epic.  Where can I read that officially?

Yes, this is correct.

So it'll be the exact same thing as now if, say, you work with a simple / non-evolution wallet.

[wackyD]

Dash Block Size Increase to 2 MB Has Been Accepted

While the Bitcoin debate around the block size continues the alternative crypt currency Dash, formerly known as DarkCoin, has shown how a consensus about an increase of the block size can be reached quickly and efficiently.

http://cryptomining-blog.com/6440-dash-block-size-increase-to-2-mb-has-been-accepted/

Simply amazing.. consensus was reached within days..

[Riseman]

Masternodes are down, looks like some people are looking for quick profits.  The only thing I can say is from experience, if you want them back, you may end up paying more for them!  Good luck

Not only profits, I suppose. Now it is the first opportunity to break even for people who bought dash 6 months ago or earlier.

[BusterNutBag]

Just found this......


NOT a mandatory update V56

https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-release.5888/page-61#post-80202

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we have relased a maintenance release of Dash 0.12.0 series - the update not mandatory.

The binaries are available at https://www.dash.org/downloads/


0.12.0.56 Release Notes

This is a maintenance update, fixing the minor bugs below:

    UdjinM6: fix N5boost10filesystem16filesystem_errorE on freebsd (#630)
    UdjinM6: add missing maps cleaning in CMasternodeMan::Clear()(#631)
    thelazier: Fix Misbehaving counting during Masternode Sync (#635)
    schinzelh: fix Travis-CI definition (86d4672)
    schinzelh: fix translation config for Italian (#673)
    crowning: Transaction View: LastMonth calculation fixed (1e59cf0)
    schinzelh: update checkpoint (274145f)

Thanks to all contributors.


Holger, Dash Core Team
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[afreer]

This is my most favorite slide of the Dash presentation:
http://s020.radikal.ru/i716/1601/ec/71717801ebc5.png

The most beautiful compare 

"Mobile Bitcoin wallets don't all necessarily rely on "a centralized gateway." EG, I can tell my phone's SPV client to use a full node I run myself."

It's about mobile access without a centralized gateway or additional software which is the only method mainstream users will realistically adopt because that is what users in 2016 are already used to.  Or they can use PayPal or BitPay, both centralized services.

Sure there are ways to use Bitcoin decentralized on the move, it's just they're not exactly usable, e.g. https://i.imgur.com/8bchO0S.jpg 

[afreer]

This is my most favorite slide of the Dash presentation:
http://s020.radikal.ru/i716/1601/ec/71717801ebc5.png

The most beautiful compare  

"Mobile Bitcoin wallets don't all necessarily rely on "a centralized gateway." EG, I can tell my phone's SPV client to use a full node I run myself."

It's about mobile access without a centralized gateway or additional software which is the only method mainstream users will realistically adopt because that is what users in 2016 are already used to.  Or they can use PayPal or BitPay, both centralized services.

Sure there are ways to use Bitcoin decentralized on the move, it's just they're not exactly usable, e.g. https://i.imgur.com/8bchO0S.jpg  

Do you think DASH's Dapi could attract more developer than Etherium? Or is it easier to write DAPI than Etherium Apps? I don't know much about Etherium but it sound like DASH Evolution without the currency features. Edit: Does Etherium make use of a second tier masternode network or how do they decentralise their Apps?

"Do you think DASH's Dapi could attract more developer than Etherium? Or is it easier to write DAPI than Etherium Apps? "

I think Ethereum have done a great job opening up the system to developers and getting them involved with all the tools and platforms they need to build DAPPs.

DAPI is a bit different because it's an interface not a language - e.g. with DAPPs you are writing code that runs within the ethereum network to perform specific tasks, whereas DAPI you are accessing the Dash network from external apps. 

DAPI will definitely be easier to work with as a developer because it fits into existing standards, e.g. to DAPI enable a website for payment functions, you'll just include a Javascript library and call a few functions for decentralized access, whereas writing DAPPs there is a learning curve to learn a new language.

I think DAPI will attract more developers ultimately because it's about hooking decentralized Dash payments into the web and mobile systems so there are presumably a lot more applications to integrate DAPI than build internal programs for Ethereum although i don't know the Ethereum road map and this depends on DAPI getting traction (which is what we are all working for).

Regarding comparisons of Ethereum / Dash, they are really for different things, I wrote about it upthread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13074815#msg13074815.  Dash is the only crypto to add tiers on top of the single-tier model every other crypto uses though and I think that's the future because it lets you keep everything decentralized and build decentralized services on top like we are doing.

[Lebubar]

This is my most favorite slide of the Dash presentation:

The most beautiful compare  

"Mobile Bitcoin wallets don't all necessarily rely on "a centralized gateway." EG, I can tell my phone's SPV client to use a full node I run myself."

It's about mobile access without a centralized gateway or additional software which is the only method mainstream users will realistically adopt because that is what users in 2016 are already used to.  Or they can use PayPal or BitPay, both centralized services.

Sure there are ways to use Bitcoin decentralized on the move, it's just they're not exactly usable, e.g. https://i.imgur.com/8bchO0S.jpg  

Do you think DASH's Dapi could attract more developer than Etherium? Or is it easier to write DAPI than Etherium Apps? I don't know much about Etherium but it sound like DASH Evolution without the currency features. Edit: Does Etherium make use of a second tier masternode network or how do they decentralise their Apps?

"Do you think DASH's Dapi could attract more developer than Etherium? Or is it easier to write DAPI than Etherium Apps? "

I think Ethereum have done a great job opening up the system to developers and getting them involved with all the tools and platforms they need to build DAPPs.

DAPI is a bit different because it's an interface not a language - e.g. with DAPPs you are writing code that runs within the ethereum network to perform specific tasks, whereas DAPI you are accessing the Dash network from external apps. 

DAPI will definitely be easier to work with as a developer because it fits into existing standards, e.g. to DAPI enable a website for payment functions, you'll just include a Javascript library and call a few functions for decentralized access, whereas writing DAPPs there is a learning curve to learn a new language.

I think DAPI will attract more developers ultimately because it's about hooking decentralized Dash payments into the web and mobile systems so there are presumably a lot more applications to integrate DAPI than build internal programs for Ethereum although i don't know the Ethereum road map and this depends on DAPI getting traction (which is what we are all working for).

Regarding comparisons of Ethereum / Dash, they are really for different things, I wrote about it upthread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13074815#msg13074815.  Dash is the only crypto to add tiers on top of the single-tier model every other crypto uses though and I think that's the future because it lets you keep everything decentralized and build decentralized services on top like we are doing.

Nice explaination, tks for that.

[dnaleor]

Something smells fishy in Crypto Town:

If someone decides to dump 0.5% of DASH in circulation (30k) price drops to 0.006 BTC (-52%)
If someone decides to dump 0.5% of XMR in circulation (54k) price drops to 0.00126 BTC (-11%)

Though the market cap of XMR is 6 times smaller than DASH marketcap.

#rationalmarkets 

[DunningKruger]

Something smells fishy in Crypto Town:

If someone decides to dump 0.5% of DASH in circulation (30k) price drops to 0.006 BTC (-52%)
If someone decides to dump 0.5% of XMR in circulation (54k) price drops to 0.00126 BTC (-11%)

Though the market cap of XMR is 6 times smaller than DASH marketcap.

#rationalmarkets 

hey genius 

[dnaleor]

Something smells fishy in Crypto Town:

If someone decides to dump 0.5% of DASH in circulation (30k) price drops to 0.006 BTC (-52%)
If someone decides to dump 0.5% of XMR in circulation (54k) price drops to 0.00126 BTC (-11%)

Though the market cap of XMR is 6 times smaller than DASH marketcap.

#rationalmarkets 

hey genius 

You can be glad that I didn't pick a dumping percentage of 1... That would drop DASH to almost zero...

[aleix]

That would drop DASH to almost zero...

https://youtu.be/tbU3zdAgiX8

 

[dEBRUYNE]

To be fair, bid/ask depth is only one measure of liquidity. To get a better image one should also look at the ratio of average volume to market cap.

[Melech]

To be fair, nearly any coin, commodity, or stock will drop a TON in value if someone dumps 0.5% of the total available supply at once...

How much would bitcoin price drop if someone dumped 75,582 BTC at once? ($29,500,000)

Not a good indicator of anything...

[Abiky]

Dash Block Size Increase to 2 MB Has Been Accepted

While the Bitcoin debate around the block size continues the alternative crypt currency Dash, formerly known as DarkCoin, has shown how a consensus about an increase of the block size can be reached quickly and efficiently.

http://cryptomining-blog.com/6440-dash-block-size-increase-to-2-mb-has-been-accepted/

And that was totally a quick consensus in my opinion, since Bitcoin is still having issues with getting this whole Block size issue solved. Big miners and some users of the community have not gone to an agreement to make this happen for BTC. Luckily, DASH has achieved this quickly and it shows us that true democracy could be achieved. 

[Lebubar]

Champion, 30k Dash represents 360 BTC. While 56k of your shit represent 75BTC.
Compare what is comparable.

[coinrus9]

can see by my address where i got DASH from ?

[kangjooe]

wow... so many dump right now 

[Lebubar]

can see by my address where i got DASH from ?

Go here  https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/
And put the transaction id.