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[WastedLTC]

Problem with DASH Masternode Service >>> moocowmoo@masternode.me

This dude  (below) refuses to cancel a mining contract  using DASH.

https://masternode.me/
moocowmoo@masternode.me
https://www.dash.org/forum/members/moocowmoo.1413/#recent-content


Someone with same problem ?

When you enter the shared masternode service, you should have received a confirmation email. did you keep that email?
in that email, there was insturctions how to automaticaly get back your 25 dash. just reply that email and get your dash back.
I used that service with 25 dash too and it was automatic to get back the 25 dash. But I kept that email from the masternode service and I never delete important emails.

I still have the email and have tried multiple times.    MooCowMoo responded a couple times regarding the service but in the end never sent...   

[JollyGood]

If what you say is true then it is your belief that you share with just a handful of other users here in the forum.

If your aim here is to create momentum for some form of unison way forward which the developers will accept and implement then you are misguided. No matter how many words are typed in this thread and no matter who types them - the developers will take zero notice and rightly so.

As for the other thing, if sending begging letters to the developers will not do anything then what exactly is stopping you from creating your own fork and along with it your own ANN thread so the discussion can be taken there which would allow for this thread to be free from the endless whining?

The same old nonsense from the same old trolls...about miners this and masternode operators that and share allocation this and voting rights that but it is useless. They should take that nonsense to the top and send emails to the developers or better still they should fork and call it whatever they want.

It's not the "thread" trolling you which you should be worried about, it's the markets trolling you.

This here is not a temporary trend, it's permanent and there are good technical reasons for it. If you want to argue for sitting on your hands and doing sweet f.a. about it then that is of course your prerogative but this coin does not work by sending begging letters to devs. The devs do what the community tells them to and if the community wants to live in dismissive ignorance of the priorities that drive its market performance as you seem to be advocating then don't expect any future other than continuing along the same trajectory.

[toknormal]

If what you say is true then it is your belief that you share with just a handful of other users here in the forum.

Unfortunately that doesn't matter much since the wider market does appear to share my "belief". (Or at least its relative valuations reflect it).

And it is that wider market, not "the forum" that assigns a valuation to Dash, its protocol and its uncompetitive masternode margins.

#doTheSums



Descending smoothly out of the top-10 mineables.

Every one of them that demands hashrate to extract all the coins from its supply (as opposed to only half the coins) gets above us. This is not proving the theory of "we don't need all this hashrate". Here's why.



[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[Dahaa]

Gone are even the silly quizzes with the prediction that the best coin is about to rise

[jdmcg]

Descending smoothly out of the top-10 mineables.

Every one of them that demands hashrate to extract all the coins from its supply (as opposed to only half the coins) gets above us. This is not proving the theory of "we don't need all this hashrate". Here's why.

Still spreading misinformation I see. Are you the only DASH hodler upset with a 20% increase over the last day and 40% increase over the last week? You are still a DASH hodler right?

Just a reminder that ADA and FIL are not mineable/POW and DOGE, while 100% mined/POW, is re-using the same hash that LTC miners already paid for.

Also, even though you timed your post perfectly to show ZEC slightly ahead of DASH by marketcap, it no longer is and even then it was a virtual tie.

And let's not forget the myriad of mineable/POW coins below DASH in marketcap...

Besides, why all this focus on DASH needing to be the only coin and that it must beat all, including BTC? In case you haven't noticed, multiple cryptos seem well on their way to succeed in this space.

[toknormal]

Still spreading misinformation I see.

What exactly did you consider "misinformation" ?

It seems you need to lower the bar evermore to make your point. It's taken a monumental capital influx into the crypto space including Hedgefund/Tezla hype and gaxillion coin buys just to eek out a 4 year old Dash price piggy backing the coat-tails of bitcoin.

You've also seen clearly demonstrated that the theory on which our "store of value" protocol revision is based is bogus. You need to understand calculus even to appreciate the "improvement" cited at the last quarterly call. The circulating supply is clearly stated on coinmarketcap.com. That's what investors look at, not some arbitrary subset of it cooked up as an excuse for maintaining a crippled mining market.

I'm sure there will be a pump, at which point some major hodlers will be exiting this coin. It's what happens after that that concerns the long term future and we've far less of a cushion in terms of competitivity than we had the last time.

Each time the price rises, so does disparity in profitability of one half of the coin supply over the other. That's the half that will get preferentially dumped to pull the roof down on everything else. Our 100% mined competitors do not have this asymmetry handicap which is why they are more buoyant in marketcap than Dash, even with zero features.

Until we acknowledge that and do something about it, the entire project effort is drained in paying for excessive, uneconomic masternode margins instead of competitive capital gain performance. (<-- otherwise known as "store of value" )

[jdmcg]

Still spreading misinformation I see.

What exactly did you consider "misinformation" ?

Maybe you didn't read the rest of my post? Here I point out your misinformation...

Just a reminder that ADA and FIL are not mineable/POW and DOGE, while 100% mined/POW, is re-using the same hash that LTC miners already paid for.

Also, even though you timed your post perfectly to show ZEC slightly ahead of DASH by marketcap, it no longer is and even then it was a virtual tie.

And let's not forget the myriad of mineable/POW coins below DASH in marketcap...

It seems you need to lower the bar evermore to make your point.

Ok, I'll bite.... what bar did I lower?

I'm sure there will be a pump, at which point some major hodlers will be exiting this coin.

So, what's your exit price?

[toknormal]

Just a reminder that ADA and FIL are not mineable/POW and DOGE, while 100% mined/POW, is re-using the same hash that LTC miners already paid for.

What relevance has this to Dash's problem ? That list is simply the "Mineable" subset in CMC, so it's what anyone would see if they clicked the "mineable" filter. ADA is a smart contract platform so even though it's not POW it does have a basis for valuation which is that it hosts on-chain dapps that serve as a token sink.

Dash is a clone of bitcoin. It does not support an on-chain sink for emerging coin supply as POS chains do.

That means its store of value basis is in mining (a scarcity value set by the level of competition for its primary supply). The theory that crippling the mining market and giving the supply away to masternodes instead has now been tested. It didn't work. (And is not even being priced in). All our fully-mined counterparts rose to the top and we sunk to the bottom. This is consistent with the reasoning given in this post (not to mention common sense).

[jdmcg]

Just a reminder that ADA and FIL are not mineable/POW and DOGE, while 100% mined/POW, is re-using the same hash that LTC miners already paid for.

What relevance has this to Dash's problem ? That list is simply the "Mineable" subset in CMC, so it's what anyone would see if they clicked the "mineable" filter. ADA is a smart contract platform so even though it's not POW it does have a basis for valuation which is that it hosts on-chain dapps that serve as a token sink.

So, it's great you have a strong opinion about certain things and yeah, I see CMC has it wrong too. Just don't spread misinformation, that's all I'm saying. Again, if your point is so great and obvious you shouldn't need to.

[Wh1teKn1ght]

@toknormal, why don't you just fork the coin already and see how many believers you have in this theory of yours instead of constantly bitching and complaining about the same thing over and over. Do something about it!! You're posts are exhausting.

[toknormal]

@toknormal, why don't you just fork the coin already and see how many believers you have in this theory of yours instead of constantly bitching and complaining about the same thing over and over. Do something about it!! You're posts are exhausting.

Why don't you post some relevant reasoned argument if you have something to say about it ?

You find my posts "exhausting" but you're happy with the market performance continuously doing exactly the opposite of the intended outcome of the reward split ? Since you're in the majority surely there must be plenty to promote ?

Be my guest.

[Matic]

I m interested in dash now cause it's possible to mine

[toknormal]

@Wh1teKn1ght just to elaborate for a moment.

I do not enjoy being contentious. It's definitely not any more fun that getting exhausted reading other people's posts, but someone has to point this stuff out.

Here is a question for you to reflect on.....

Why do miners only make a minority profit ? (Say, 10% if they're lucky)

 • Because they incur costs

Now ask yourself another question. What are those costs ?

 • they are the costs of acquisition of their coin

Now reflect on that last answer for a second. Cost of acquisition is otherwise known as "purchase cost". i.e. miners are buyers.

That one fact invalidates all the logic behind the current protocol configuration because it was based on limiting supply to markets on the assumption that miners are the biggest sellers. But that assumption is wrong. They do execute sales as part of their overall trade but they are not NET sellers (they are only serving as brokers for exchange market buyers). It wasn't fully thought through since only the exchange markets were considered which is only one half of their trade. The other half is the purchase of the original supply emission.

What we've done is cut off the supply to the PAYING market and instead increased the supply to the NON-PAYING market. The aggregate mathematical effect of this is simply to put a lot of unnecessary pressure on the price. Like selling half your supply at full price and the other half at zero price. This brings us full circle and squares with the fact that masternodes operate at almost 100% profit (since they incur no cost of acquisition). That profit margin is subsidised by the Dash budget (the very same "budget" that is deployed by the treasury). That's budget which Dash's competitors use to attract competition for their supply and expand the size (and thereby value) of their primary market.

Even if you argue that the loss of mining market competitivity is offset by gain in masternode demand, that only applies up to a point which is defined by the equilibrium nodecount at which there's no net masternode growth. Even at that there's also a point of diminishing returns in the reward ratio beyond which it does more damage than good (to masternode interests as well). A suggested approach to determining that optimal point in the reward ratio analytically is discussed here.

This needs to get sorted for Dash to even be able to compete with fully mined counterparts but before it can get sorted, the problem (and mistake/oversight whatever yawanna call it) needs to at least be acknowledged and properly discussed.

[aleix]

Today at 4pm EST/9pm UTC Anton Suprunchuk (@antouhou), Principal Developer of DASH comes on the Dash Podcast! Watch live and join the live crypto superchat!



https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCduLugW5-tkzxIde8Iz72mw

[Gatorelf]

Certainly we have to be honest, we have fallen so far behind other projects in terms of capitalization that it could be that investors do not see the potential here that was expected a few years ago.

The number of master nodes has dropped a lot in the last month (-100 nodes) and that is an interesting indicator to take into account.

Before, few serious projects offered 6% per year, but today there are dozens of possibilities to obtain that return, even by stacking with stable coins BTC or ETH ...

We have to reinvent ourselves, time and slowness have been our worst enemy ...

The Dash vs BTC chart looks like an infinite horrible downtrend. 

  How many master nodes are out there?  isn't it possible the DASH network could operate even on 10 master nodes?  DASH and all crypto's are like stocks in that there is a supply and demand. The ease of use keeps DASH in demand, investors just saw a 100% plus gain in the last three weeks that's tough to beat. Maybe elaborate some on your fears in the alts such as LTC and BTC capitalization. I am interested in the comparisons.     

[aleix]

How many master nodes are out there? 

http://178.254.23.111/~pub/Dash/Dash_Info.html

 isn't it possible the DASH network could operate even on 10 master nodes?  DASH and all crypto's are like stocks in that there is a supply and demand. The ease of use keeps DASH in demand, investors just saw a 100% plus gain in the last three weeks that's tough to beat. Maybe elaborate some on your fears in the alts such as LTC and BTC capitalization. I am interested in the comparisons.    

This thread is quite abandoned unfortunately, I recommend you go to the Discord of the project. Serious discussions take place there.

http://staydashy.com/

[xkcdd]

DASH is the biggest gainer today from the Top 100 coins according to CMC.


https://imgur.com/a/fTDmfAp

Source:https://coinmarketcap.com/gainers-losers/
Filter: Top 100

[BayAreaCoins]

I have 8 Dash I'm trying to sell on https://freebitcoins.com/xchange/market/Bitcoin-Dashcoin

[arielbit]

DASH is the biggest gainer today from the Top 100 coins according to CMC.


https://imgur.com/a/fTDmfAp

Source:https://coinmarketcap.com/gainers-losers/
Filter: Top 100

watch qwizzie crawl back here...if he did not sold his coins yet LOL

[sujonali1819]

I have 8 Dash I'm trying to sell on https://freebitcoins.com/xchange/market/Bitcoin-Dashcoin

Is not it too early decision?  Atleast investor should wait till 1k$ for one dash. or you sold it for buy again in deep? If so then ok imo. Now it’s little deep/ doing some Corrections.

After a long time DASH made a good move yesterday. Still it seems bullish and anytime can fly again imo. Also I see somewhere maybe there is a new announcement for dash in this month/early next month. So if that will happen I will price will be influenced that time also.

*it’s not an investment suggestions, I just share my feelings / opinion.