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November 18, 2020, 03:10:26 PM


First we need to establish the truth to what you claim, that a 100% mined coin fairs better than one partially mined coin.

So our primary competitor is Doge now ?


No, it is just that your theory about 100% mined coins performing better then partially mined coins, is inconclusive at best.

Dash : 95,19 % down from ATH
Bitcoin Cash : 96,27% down from ATH (worse then Dash)
Zcash : 93,43% down from ATH

Source : messari.io

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November 18, 2020, 03:12:55 PM


No, it is just that your theory about 100% mined coins performing better

That wasn't my "theory".

My "observation" is that as Dash price rises, ever more of the blockchain capital is used to fund masternode profits instead of raising mining difficulty and that results in a hard crash at the point where mining and masternode margin disparity becomes unsustainable.

There are cheap 100% mined coins and there are expensive 100% mined coins. Quoting one of the cheap ones at me just cheapens your case, not mine.
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No, it is just that your theory about 100% mined coins performing better

That wasn't my "theory".

My "observation" is that as Dash price rises, ever more of the blockchain capital is used to fund masternode profits instead of raising mining difficulty and that results in a hard crash at the point where mining and masternode margin disparity becomes unsustainable.

There are cheap 100% mined coins and there are expensive 100% mined coins. Quoting one of the cheap ones at me just cheapens your case, not mine.

Bitcoin Cash is a cheap 100% mined coin ?  Huh

Bitcoin Cash : $243
Price % down from ATH 96,27% (worse then Dash)

Dash : $77
Price % down from ATH 95,19%
 

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Bitcoin Cash is a cheap 100% mined coin ?  Huh

You're getting a bit desperate. Clutching at any random anecdotal challenge to the elephant in the room that Dash has.

Bitcoin Cash has little or no spare capital to put into mining. Dash has a full HALF of its new supply that is simply given away - for ZERO investment in the chain - available to it as dry powder to support the price of emerging blocks.

Instead of using it for this purpose it throws it away. Think about that the next time the price is at $500 and you get your weekly notifications that you've received $650 from the blockchain. Other chains have to invest that in mining to keep the difficulty high across the WHOLE CHAIN. You are free to invest it in holiday cruises.

Unfortunately such free gifts come with a price - that is paid by all holders. The slow atrophying of the marketcap compared with our 100% mined competitors.
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November 18, 2020, 03:36:53 PM

All i can really conclude from all of this, is that it does not matter if a coin is 100% mined or not (price performance wise).
The rest is just noise.

 

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November 18, 2020, 03:37:56 PM


So our primary competitor is Doge now ?

Keep re-adjusting those sights.


In a way yes.  DOGE is a payments coin and exploits many of the features DASH prides itself for such low transaction fees and quick settlement.  I am just picking it because according to you it is one of the coins that should be doing better than it apparently is, if you maintain the focus purely on Bitcoin, you reduce your sample size of mined coins to one and then we cannot know if it is true that a mined coin is a better store of value than a hybird coin such as DASH.  Tok, I think your argument is starting to show strain, you're a better man than this, come clean and state what really is behind this latest attack on a coin you once loved so much.

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November 18, 2020, 03:47:21 PM
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Doge is not trying to sustain "commercially uneconomic profits out of the capital value of the asset". Dash is.

You're conflating capital gains/losses with operating margins for economic activities.

Nonsense.  DOGE is a pure mined coin, one of which you hold to such high esteem and yet its price is languishing not unlike DASH's.  Applying your faux logic one would believe that DOGE should be gaining value rather than making an all time.  You seem to have no answer to this, instead you point again to what you purpose is DASH's faultly economic model, a diversion.  First we need to establish the truth to what you claim, that a 100% mined coin fairs better than one partially mined coin.


Crypto mining is absolutely overvalued. Even more so in projects that can be forked and recreate tokens effortlessly. It is normal for the most orthodox judgments to assume that correlation because it is an original crypto dogma ... but it will be overthrown (in fact, today there are already countless samples in the crypto ranking of it).

Crypto miners are not physical miners. That analogy had less travel yet than that of BTC as physical Gold. BTC is worth by the current consensus - imo, the covert alliance - of big capital, which has already included it in its roadmap (imo, it is only mainstream public blessing, because BTC was, from its own and calculated design, a catalyst and valve out of a fiat pressure cooker with no future due to its manipulation of no return - aspect that was assumed in the Lehman crisis : sustain the scam by printing to death ... or explode in 2008 - ... and because a Tether even less valuable than fiat, but a crypto consensus trick, has sustained and dragged until this final party (In simile cyclist, "he has pulled his leader to the foot of the port").

Intrinsic value is the monetary power of each project (for which technology is key - but nothing by itself -) ... and the shielding of ownership and value of the resulting consensus currency. It doesn't give a shit if it was created with a snap of the fingers ... what matters is the power to use it - qualities, capacity -, the exclusivity of that use - property - and how those parameters are accepted in a user´s community. If it's really good for something and it's irreplicable (copies are replicas ... and not only : enhanced copies, competing currency advances) ... it will be valuable, regardless of the initial production system. By the way ... and regarding the power of using it ... No money has a 100% intrinsic use ... ONLY GOLD recreates the process of economic exchange without more guests than the protagonists of an exchange of wealth between two parties. Gold shows itself among the parties involved, acts ... and disappears until it expresses its miracle again. Per se,  without the need for any external authority (political, digital or otherwise) to the inherent between two free parts. That will cause the bullish explosions of a BTC whose value is that of its own price trend to end up en masse, in Gold (and other Real Wealth destinations, but we are talking about the monetary ones). But that is another story, very long term ... and cryptos, along that way, will have their role. In summary and imo, I would say that BTC will be the best customer of Gold ... as well as so many other assets of real value. (Of course, after continuing to drag the value of Gold under the shit in front of the public opinion).

Any crypto that wants to perpetuate itself must be provided with backups in Real Wealth (...or it will just be an frenzy orgy of numbers going in and out of it - for lovers of pyrotechnics and tothemoons, sorry ... the increases NEITHER consolidate value- ). And the shielding of that real wealth will produce (certainly consolidate) a measure of usable value as currency. That is its value.

By the way ... DASH (coincidentally again , Rtaylor ) is already implementing Real Wealth Repositories in DASH... although the Mnodes, as always ... vote for them with their ass and its characteristic blindness. (by the way ... the best thing for DASH ... if what interests you about the project is its ability to receive, accumulate and project wealth AS A COLLECTIVE STRUCTURE is ... the "possible" increase of the common treasure up to 20% of every Superblock - casually also "slipped" by the most "harmless, quiet and clueless" boy in school ... RTaylor  Roll Eyes -)

 DASH IS THE VACCINE AGAINST THE NAKAMOTO´S CANNIBALISM* ( and its extractive virus, BTC ) 

*Parasitic growth system based on the transfer of wealth through speculative bubbles (the same old scam of the fiat global elite ...in a new format)

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November 18, 2020, 03:51:26 PM


All i can really conclude from all of this, is that it does not matter if a coin is 100% mined or not (price performance wise).
The rest is just noise.

Who cares about "Price performance". It's not marketcap.

You can conclude that we're not where we anticipated we'd be 4 years ago and start entertaining a more systemic reason for it than not having "gamed the circulating supply" enough.

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November 18, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
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WOW!  What an exciting time to be in DASH!  Last week the miners gave us a picture perfect finish with locking in the realloc hardfork, it now gestates for a week and the first adjustment to the block reward will be made after the next Superblock pays out in 13 days time !!!!  Grin

Not only that, but DCG have commited to flipping  Tongue the SPORK on the 17th of Nov to fork off about a 1000 legacy nodes clinging to old versions.   Cheesy  Once the spork is active, the network will become one again and joyous time can he had by all.  I do expect to see some selling from bears that would rather the network didn't upgrade and to that end I have put together a fantastic resource for us!

Introducing DASH Legacy Nodes from the team behind MNOWatch !  Kiss
https://mnowatch.org/legacynodes/

This page is a list of collateral addresses belonging to masternodes that are still running an old version of the dashd daemon  Shocked  We also provide the current PoSe score and address balance.  Once the SPORK is flipped, the network will start PoSe banning these nodes and we can expect them to act.  Either they upgrade, or they sell.  This page is how you can track that.

What are those collateral addresses starting with a 7 ? (Dash addresses start with an X)



Also be informed that it shows not just legacy nodes, it also shows already updated nodes.
Please make sure it only shows nodes with older protocol versions (older then 70218).

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Crypto mining is absolutely overvalued.

Not as overvalued as "free money".
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November 18, 2020, 05:02:30 PM
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Crypto mining is absolutely overvalued.

Not as overvalued as "free money".

And?

I speak of an aspiration for solid money (by the way ... the simile of mining production, too ... and more supporting an ethical discourse, as I think is your case). Free money does not even aspire to that ... and of course, it is not any ideological aspiration or reference, just the cheating profit of its respective beneficiaries. ( And faith in him would be, in any case, pure convenience, not ideology. ).

Finally, we are not talking about repositories either (or are we?). In any case, we will talk about the repository with the smallest distance from Real Money ... which is, in turn, the closest to Real Wealth. (and that obviously can bring many qualities of use to something whose maximum value is its unequaled, inimitable SIMPLICITY and therefore, cannot be sophisticated ).

Because there is already one money and only one money: Gold - without surnames like "Digital" , "National" or any other. MOLECULAR expression of wealth. Unsurpassed as such -.

Everything else, if they are not debts, are promises. (that we look for THE BEST, it is another story)- And the best repository / promise of wealth (conservator of value) ... is the one that least contained real wealth lets out. That's the key, the armor ... not the production.

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*Parasitic growth system based on the transfer of wealth through speculative bubbles (the same old scam of the fiat global elite ...in a new format)

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November 18, 2020, 05:38:32 PM


All i can really conclude from all of this, is that it does not matter if a coin is 100% mined or not (price performance wise).
The rest is just noise.

Who cares about "Price performance". It's not marketcap.


XRP : from $3.84 to $0.290 (92,41% drop in price)
Luckily for XRP users they still have $9.800.898.326 marketcap Roll Eyes

Bitcoin Cash : from $4,329.52 to $244.60 (96,25% drop in price)
Luckily for Bitcoin Cash users they still have $4.543.883.586 marketcap Roll Eyes

Cardano : from $1.33 to $0.106 (91,99% drop in price)
Luckily for Cardano users they still have $3.363.006.557 marketcap Roll Eyes

TRON : from $0.300 to $0.0257 (91,58% drop in price)
Luckily for TRON users they still have $1.761.495.343 marketcap Roll Eyes

NEO : from $194.79 to $15.62 (91,99% drop in price)
Luckily for NEO users they still have $1.100.397.342 marketcap Roll Eyes
 
Litecoin : from $375.29 from $73.75 (80,38% drop in price)
Luckily for Litecoin users they still have $4.892.155.470 marketcap  Roll Eyes

Source : messari.io (% down from ATH)

If i had to choose between focusing on price performance or on marketcap, i would always choose price performance.
Because price performance will hit my investment directly.

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What are those collateral addresses starting with a 7 ? (Dash addresses start with an X)

Also be informed that it shows not just legacy nodes, it also shows already updated nodes.
Please make sure it only shows nodes with older protocol versions (older then 70218).


These are multisig wallets, typically they almost always belonged to SALT lending.  Not sure these days.  As for the user_agent check, there is a lag time where the crawler takes about 24 hours to get to through the entire network and check the user agent of each node, so it is always lagging somewhat, the balance and POSE score however, is correct to the minute.
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What are those collateral addresses starting with a 7 ? (Dash addresses start with an X)
It is possible to start a multisignature masternode using the dashcore and electrum-dash wallet too.

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If i had to choose between focusing on price performance or on marketcap, i would always choose price performance.
Because price performance will hit my investment directly.


No, toxic qwizzie ... because you have no idea of ​​the monetary value of your MONETARY investment. You measure DASH like a mirror of the infinite fiat, when it should have been a firecracker in the fiat's ass. The worst thing is that the vast majority of the immoral hijackers of the DAO and other parasites of the ecosystem do it ... that's why you fuck the basic principles of the project (which impoverishes it monetarily, in a loop that dramatically feeds back) with that astonishing tranquility and impudence.

The fiat does not express value. Much less in a downtrend like the current one. With your system - or the one you want others to take on, like rednecks, to support your trick -, you may be groggy watching the fiat price of DASH rise slightly on the screen ... as BTC literally goes off the map - and other cryptos slip away for a higher yield than yours on several orders of magnitude.

On the other hand, the general quotation drain on other projects is infinitely less ... but, of course, you will not expose them, because you sell fucking smoke and you are not looking for a healthy - and powerful - synergy to adhere and share, but a corrupt one - and without future - to convince and benefit you - even if you know that you give an incorrect / misleading idea of ​​what you offer -.  The fair thing is that you include LINK, or ETH or BTC ... and make an average with those that you do expose. And there, the performance of DASH is dramatic, pitiful ... and among the "recognized" projects, in the queue ... totally disappointing.

Also, a drop percentage from ATH does not reflect the proportional depreciation of each token. If DASH makes 96% and another 90%, those 6 points sound relatively "close" ... but the truth and revealing is that from ATH, one saves 4% of its wealth and another 10% ... which represents 150% MORE of their own wealth saved ... a true cataclysm as a store of value. And let´s remeber :  with those unfortunate percentages of 90%, we talk about a difference , negative for DASH, respect to some coins that are real garbage without the least added value ( because I insist: To those who have a normal or positive performance ... better not look at them - it is literally to cry : LTC retains 500% better its own wealth than DASH; ETH, almost 800% , eight times !.... absolutely crazy - ).

But not only that. The worst of all and the real drama is that DASH has collective financial resources to mitigate this negative scenario, when almost all the others reduce their performance capacity to the simple private profit of their token fiat price. And it works like the worst ... wasting all those resources.

How long has DASH been burning wealth to reinforce the positive direction of its project? Those millions of dollars are measured in two figures ... or in three? It's chilling.

And for more joke, also, wiping his ass on a whim with the three basic principles (financial independence *, decentralization ** and resistance to censorship ***) ... that is, as the tremendous blow to the ground does not seem to be damage enough for this legion of incapables ... on top, you dig a deeper grave. That is, prostitution of the principles of the project by incapable corrupt ignorant ... that all together are worth less than what Duffield shit on a plate (and that transfer that precariousness abroad like an open book, canceling the expansion of DASH to new interested people , with what, in addition to having tied the past and present potential of the project ... you also condition its future growth capacity: Well, even for the proven limitation of the active / executive mass of DASH ... absolutely ROUND, GREAT ! ).


* pure shit reserve of value ... totally conditioned by speculative capital in BTC and fiat.

** Total decentralization points, irrelevant and a purely cosmetic data in an anonymous property system. ( even more so with voting where a single click decides more than a hundred votes - like the last one in which it threatened to defund DASH Next - )

*** Funding of critical opinion-repressing trolls on DASH's communication channels ... or from the media that in almost six years of EVolution delays, have not dumped a single reasonable and logical criticism of such breaches... which favors perpetuating mistakes and volontary vices (as two simple samples of the authentic repressive orgy that is imposed in the informative exchange channels of a DASH that it was a jewel and you turn into a cheap theater ).

You are welcome.  Wink

 DASH IS THE VACCINE AGAINST THE NAKAMOTO´S CANNIBALISM* ( and its extractive virus, BTC ) 

*Parasitic growth system based on the transfer of wealth through speculative bubbles (the same old scam of the fiat global elite ...in a new format)

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What are those collateral addresses starting with a 7 ? (Dash addresses start with an X)

Also be informed that it shows not just legacy nodes, it also shows already updated nodes.
Please make sure it only shows nodes with older protocol versions (older then 70218).


These are multisig wallets, typically they almost always belonged to SALT lending.  Not sure these days.  As for the user_agent check, there is a lag time where the crawler takes about 24 hours to get to through the entire network and check the user agent of each node, so it is always lagging somewhat, the balance and POSE score however, is correct to the minute.

That explains it then, thanks.


What are those collateral addresses starting with a 7 ? (Dash addresses start with an X)
It is possible to start a multisignature masternode using the dashcore and electrum-dash wallet too.

Interesting, thanks.

Off topic :

* Is there a way to actually see if a miners lock-in has occurred on the blockreward allocation change ? I don't think it shows here : http://178.254.23.111/~pub/Dash/Dash_Info.html (V16.0 Adoption), or does it ? / will it ?  Undecided
* Could Fail2Ban be behind Dashninja.pl constantly showing 'Port Check : Closed' on my masternodes ? (even though in reality the ports are open and accessible and do not form a problem). I already tried deleting the ban.dat file of my masternodes in the past, made no difference with Dashninja.pl (this is unrelated to our current update, just an issue i have for a long time now with Dashninja.pl)

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Latest Dashman update: https://github.com/moocowmoo/dashman
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i don't think Dashman is updated anymore by moocowmoo. Pull requests are also in limbo.
Last change on master branche was in April 2019.

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Doesn't matter. I'll use it anyway. There is no greater updater - and that's the latest version.
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Doesn't matter. I'll use it anyway. There is no greater updater - and that's the latest version.


https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dashman.50927/

Just be careful, verify the download.
There are risks to using no longer supported software and there are risks to using forked software that gets updated by a new member.

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