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[thelonecrouton]

What would be ideal is if we could get CNBC talking about Darkcoin.  Even if it was just some joe behind the fastmoney team on the street with a large Darkcoin posterboard saying "DARKCOIN, send money to anyone in the world, instantly and privately."  Or "Screw Paypal!  Only Darkcoin can send money anywhere safely and privately, for free!"

Yes! Great idea. To throw something out there as well, perhaps western union also would be a good target. There are a lot of people who wire money around the world at a huge premium. Screw paypal is awesome. I use paypal and all the fees to explain bitcoin and darkcoin to people who want the short and curlies on the matter.

Yep, the Mexican and central American communities get robbed daily by Western Union which charges massive fees just to send money to their families in Mexico.  The entire theme would be "SCREW WESTERN UNION!  Manda Dinero a tu familia usando Darkcoin para gratis!"

Problem with this is the current BTC-DRK-fiat bottleneck. With merchant adoption, ie, when you can actually buy (more) stuff direct with crypto, then yes, paypal, WU etc. are well and truly screwed.

p2p darkmarkets with DRK as the currency of choice can and hopefully will do a lot for DRK. People will actually be able to use it.

Everybody hates ebay/paypal. Big opportunity there for DRK.

[drkman]

I'll go ahead and re-post my submission, now re-purposed for the NYC Subway campaign.  I won't even demand royalties for using my likeness.
Ladies...

HAHAHAHA...  (small puke)... !
 *cof cof cof*
 Hahah!

Anyone want to contact a NewYork Subway ad agency and find out how much it costs to make a bunch of these posters and put them up in the subways?  We could crowd source the funding for it.  Regular people should be using Darkcoin to pay their rent, and everything else.  It's so easy and convenient to send money and pay for things, everyone should have a Darkcoin wallet.

[thelonecrouton]

I'll go ahead and re-post my submission, now re-purposed for the NYC Subway campaign.  I won't even demand royalties for using my likeness.

Ladies...

Haha, I like it!

No, I mean I don't like it, I... ah you know what I mean . 

[solo20]

its the darkcoin wallet iam talking about not the other one but I got the wallet working

[windows88]

does dark send work?

[thelonecrouton]

does dark send work?

Yes, although the current beta is limited to 10DRK inputs.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6488297#msg6488297

Here's the new schedule for development:

- RC2 (masternode payments, DGW3) : May 14th
- RC3 (1000 DRK limit and denominated change) : May 21st
- After this, I'll find someone to vet the code and open source.
- RC4 (Bugs, security issues)
- Testing, then opensource

[CHAOSiTEC]

Wow ! This coin is amazing and the X11 is even better ... Now i have cooler gpu and no problems ! Thank to devs

You do realize that cooler GPU means it's less effective to mine with a GPU and thus we practically waste our hardware resources, right...?

We have our relatively expensive hardware (with it's own price amortization over time) which is partially idle during X11 mining.

Of course, it's absolutely not a problem in practice if GPUs are still better than anything else available and every GPU miners have a very similar speed penalty (nobody can utilize the full raw power of his/her GPU better than others). But it's technically still inefficiency which is never good, only neutral at best.

So, instead of a feature, it's more like a bug which doesn't need to be fixed. It's not an improvement but a neutral thing with a possibility to become a negative thing.

Wow I'm amazed at this pure nonsense.

1 - Less GPU intensive != less effective
2 - Less GPU intensive = lower energy consumption, that's a better energy efficiency
3 - Less GPU intensive = "our relatively expensive hardware", like you said, lasts longer

You spend less on your electricity bill and you can keep your hardware longer, even resell it at a good price. What are you complaining about ?

 Haters gonna hate.

 X11 different perspective. Summertime heat not an issue. Less electric consumed. Less noise. Rig works 24/7 for weeks without a hick-up, prolonged lifespan etc.

 Winter. a Truly excellent virtually silent heater, that makes a profit.

 Ineffective? Inefficient? Neither. DRK get sent and get received without issue, 2.5 minutes flat. 100% effective and efficient.

 Optimised is the word you're looking for.

He's not a hater guys, relax. He just says that, obviously, if the GPU was processing full time it would not be consuming half the energy. CPUs for example don't have this less-heat-issue-at-full-load so, apparently, it's not the algo itself, but rather the GPU implementation of the algo.

Could it be improved? Perhaps, but then we'd all consume more energy. So as far as noone has a much better GPU miner we are all better off. The problems start with FPGAs and ASICs when the pressure for more optimized GPU miners will mount.

We'll have to see what nvidia can do with cuda too... perhaps cuda might be better suited to x11 than amd/opencl.

Yeah but he has to understand that when he says certain stuff he also indirectly says other stuff. His fundamental logic was flawed which we addressed. Some hubris was detected aswell.

Along the road there is this statement that he claimed that people believe without knowing anything about - neither question or care to look up.

Forgive me???

I simply stated a fact and a handful of stupid people instantly started a nonsense holly war to get me crossed.

If we are honest with each other, then I can say some people wrote some genuinely stupid things while trying to argue with my statement.
I decided to let it flow through and don't even try to wage a war against half of the forum. Partly because you can't win against stupidity and mainly because I didn't intend to undermine the DarkCoin topic with a pointless discussion.


But this post again... I can't help myself, I need to react.



My fundamental logic is straight.
These AMD GPUs which most of us are using for altcoin mining are very good in certain parallelized computation tasks but badly suck in some other tasks.

Scrypt is better suited for these GPUs than X11. Scrypt mining utilizes more raw power than X11 mining. Hence it's more effective to mine Scrypt with them. This is a pure fact.
These GPUs still hate context switching and hard to fully utilize with certain kind of tasks. Ask AMD if you don't believe me.
-> This has nothing to do with profitability. I never implied that!!! That's a completely different story.


I also clearly stated in my original post that this does not mean anything what you later tried to accuse me with.
That was all you. It all came from your mouths, not mine. And it was all stupid.


And I am still the clown here, re-accused with hubris.
You are just plain stupid. End of story. I don't know why I even.... Ok, I will finish this here...

Ive been trying to tell ppl, that the reason for gpus being colder and using less energy is because of context switching, but alas, ppl never listen...

but on a side note, scrypt and x11 profitablility equals out to about equal...

[alijiba]

so,everybody adopts that strategy the offer for that other coin will be quickly greater

[vertoe]

Very interesting comment for the Wired article:

http://www.wired.com/2014/05/bitcoin-anonymous-projects/#comment-1370374329

You forgot to mention that Zerocoin is using totally unvetted cryptography and is being funded (in part) by the US Government (edit: "Acknowledgements ... The research in this paper was supported in part by the Office of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-1-0470, and DARPA and the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211. http://spar.isi.jhu.edu/~mgree..." ). Also, if their cryptography is ever broken, the entire blockchain history is made visible (not that the government would bother to tell anyone that they've broken it).

Tor is thought to be compromised by several intelligence and law
enforcement agencies. The extent to which its compromised is not known http://lifehacker.com/how-can-.... At bare minimum, Tor is under heavy attack from NSA and GCHQ and there have been limited inroads to compromise made by those agencies. This will only get worse. http://www.theguardian.com/wor...

Dark Wallet and Sharecoin have a centralized mixing models, where it's necessary to trust that the people to whom you're sending your money for mixing aren't snooping, that they won't just outright steal your money, and that their centralized (read: honeypot) service has not been compromised by intelligence or law enforcement. No thanks.

Darkcoin is the only viable candidate for decent anonymity and security on this list. Thoroughly vetted cryptography, no centralization, no requisite trust of any central service to not be a bad actor or compromised (a la Dark Wallet and Sharecoin), if the crypto is ever broken the blockchain is still a total fog - oh and the Masternode network will host a private I2P array to anonymize IP addresses (no gambling with Tor).

What exactly is ment by hosting a private i2p array? never read about this one...

[solo20]

I spoke to soon darkcoin wallet out of sync again how do I fix this

[vertoe]

While sniffing around, I see that the blackcoin multipool (pays out in blackcoin) can now mine X11 coins.

I'm pretty sure that they won't be mining darkcoin with it's high difficulty, but for those of us who want to mine x11 rather than scrypt, it could be an option to use that, then sell the blackcoin for drk?  I can't find any stats or metrics for the x11 mutlipool, so I'm not sure if it would be a more profitable way to get drk than mining directly..

http://blackcoinpool.com/

 Thou shall hold out for secret project "Dark Ice"

ETA on dark ice?

[GhostPlayer]

While sniffing around, I see that the blackcoin multipool (pays out in blackcoin) can now mine X11 coins.

I'm pretty sure that they won't be mining darkcoin with it's high difficulty, but for those of us who want to mine x11 rather than scrypt, it could be an option to use that, then sell the blackcoin for drk?  I can't find any stats or metrics for the x11 mutlipool, so I'm not sure if it would be a more profitable way to get drk than mining directly..

http://blackcoinpool.com/

 Thou shall hold out for secret project "Dark Ice"

ETA on dark ice?

 If I knew, I would probably be dead by now. Ultra ultra secret...

[invall]

I'll go ahead and re-post my submission, now re-purposed for the NYC Subway campaign.  I won't even demand royalties for using my likeness.

Ladies...

https://i.imgur.com/dskZ2kY.png

love it

[eltito]

What exactly is ment by hosting a private i2p array? never read about this one...

I think it was mentioned, in the discussion between evan/anonymint that by darksending it multiple times through a number of nodes it reduces the bad-actor probabilities to a statistically safe degree to solve the issue that the darksend node knows who sends what.

I think I have a better solution than that, I want to turn the masternodes into I2P relays for darkcoin. So your client will pick one when you start, then relay any messages through that one. It encrypts all of the traffic, removes the connection between IP and address and it the blockchain is still a complete fog. Plus it'll be a private I2P, so it'll be super fast. Masternodes are going to be awesome 

[splawik21]

What do you mean by Dark Ice?

[daddeo]

What do you mean by Dark Ice?

It's something Chaositec is working on. Only speculation on what it might be at this point.

[splawik21]

What do you mean by Dark Ice?

It's something Chaositec is working on. Only speculation on what it might be at this point.

Aaaaa so thats why he closed the pool to put something cool like darksend I suppose...

[coins101]

This is a new operator providing DRK/BTC exchange that I haven't seen before.  

Moolah doing a lot of VC funded work at the moment.

https://prelude.io/trade/btc/drk

[btc-mike]

I spoke to soon darkcoin wallet out of sync again how do I fix this

Are you using the RC2 wallet? If not, try that.

Depending on who you ask, RC2 wallet is not needed to sync. RC2 fixes the sync problem for those that have it, so I say they do need RC2.

[TingCoin]

I'll go ahead and re-post my submission, now re-purposed for the NYC Subway campaign.  I won't even demand royalties for using my likeness.

Ladies...

love it

This is awesome .


The Wired article provides only a very vague coverage on each coin though, it's good that someone in the comments filled in the blanks, but how many "normals" are gonna scroll down that far in the comments to read those you reckon?

Suppose those with a brain will do their own research and choose the best contender, which, IMO is DRK no doubt.