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September 16, 2012, 11:38:42 AM |
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Coinotron has PPS LTC and PPC pools. Fee is 2%. Coins are available for payout after 520 (PPC) or 120 (LTC) confirmations.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Does that mean that the pool is using a SMPPS system? No, it doesn't use SMPPS. Pool uses pure PPS. Pool doesn't pay for stales and orphans. Because we don't pay for orphans we must wait until block has certain amount of confirmations. 120 in case of LTC.
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September 16, 2012, 12:44:21 PM |
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Coinotron has PPS LTC and PPC pools. Fee is 2%. Coins are available for payout after 520 (PPC) or 120 (LTC) confirmations.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Does that mean that the pool is using a SMPPS system? No, it doesn't use SMPPS. Pool uses pure PPS. Pool doesn't pay for stales and orphans. Because we don't pay for orphans we must wait until block has certain amount of confirmations. 120 in case of LTC. I still don't understand. In a pure PPS system, rewards must be completely independent of block finding, so it's not clear what you mean when you say that you "don't pay orphans". How do you implement that? You link shares to a given block round and wait till the block is confirmed before paying the shares? So if the block gets orphaned you invalidate all the shares linked to that round?
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September 16, 2012, 12:57:18 PM |
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holy moly, will we solved this block or not. This round has 150 hours already!
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Greedi
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September 16, 2012, 01:07:14 PM |
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Coinotron has PPS LTC and PPC pools. Fee is 2%. Coins are available for payout after 520 (PPC) or 120 (LTC) confirmations.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Does that mean that the pool is using a SMPPS system? No, it doesn't use SMPPS. Pool uses pure PPS. Pool doesn't pay for stales and orphans. Because we don't pay for orphans we must wait until block has certain amount of confirmations. 120 in case of LTC. if its a pure PPS, then it will also pay for stale, and the payputs will be instant.. so sorry no, i would not call it a pure PPS
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September 16, 2012, 01:52:50 PM |
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if its a pure PPS, then it will also pay for stale, and the payputs will be instant.. so sorry no, i would not call it a pure PPS
No, no reward system intrinsically needs to pay for stale shares, as validity of shares can be checked as soon as they are submitted. I'm not even sure payouts need to be instant for a pool to be called a "pure PPS" pool. On the other hand, if a pool really uses a pure PPS system, there should be no reason to delay payments. It's the "doesn't pay for orphans" aspect that makes me think this cannot be considered a pure PPS system. And it isn't SMPPS either. Maybe an acronym for this system has not been devised yet. I'm confident Coinotron's system is fair and legit, but I would like to understand better how it works, so that (if need be) we can find a proper name for it.
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Greedi
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September 16, 2012, 03:03:04 PM |
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i would not call it a pure PPS
I would not call it pure - that post is just my opinion
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coinotron (OP)
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September 16, 2012, 07:06:01 PM |
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How do you implement that? You link shares to a given block round and wait till the block is confirmed before paying the shares? So if the block gets orphaned you invalidate all the shares linked to that round?
Exactly. Just like in some traditional proportional pools. i would not call it a pure PPS
I would not call it pure - that post is just my opinion You are right, calling my system "pure" PPS can be a little bit misleading. On the other hand I don't want to create another XXXPPS acronym for it so I will call it simply PPS
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September 16, 2012, 08:00:42 PM |
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I decided to disable proportional mining in LTC ... pools How will this affect me? I'm CPU mining at 25 kh/s.
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September 16, 2012, 08:36:49 PM |
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I decided to disable proportional mining in LTC ... pools How will this affect me? I'm CPU mining at 25 kh/s. In proportional pool hoppers get significantly bigger part of block reward. Regular miners get less than expected. Before August there was almost no pool hopping in LTC Coinotron. But in August things changed. I had to stop this by disabling proportional part of LTC pool. In fact your earnings won't change but reward variance will be significantly limited ! Unless you are a hopper
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coinotron (OP)
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September 16, 2012, 08:38:09 PM |
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I decided to disable proportional mining in LTC ... pools How will this affect me? I'm CPU mining at 25 kh/s. In proportional pool hoppers get significantly bigger part of block reward. Regular miners get less than expected. Before August there was almost no pool hopping in LTC Coinotron. But in August things changed. I had to stop this by disabling proportional part of LTC pool. In fact your earnings won't change and at the same time reward variance will be significantly limited ! Unless you are a pool hopper
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live627
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September 16, 2012, 09:43:35 PM |
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Thanks. I'm not a hopper, but I don't mine 24/7, either. Although, this is in my bedroom and I turn the rig off at night.
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coinotron (OP)
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September 17, 2012, 10:17:56 AM |
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holy moly, will we solved this block or not. This round has 150 hours already!
It is not sa bad. I have seen rounds with >10 000 000 shares at much lower difficulty. We must be patient
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September 18, 2012, 02:36:28 PM |
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FYI
I've changed share difficulty from 8 to 2 in pool LTC.
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meebs
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September 18, 2012, 09:31:46 PM |
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FYI
I've changed share difficulty from 8 to 2 in pool LTC.
Why the change? just curious. 8 seemed to be a pretty decent level for rate of share completion.
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September 18, 2012, 11:02:26 PM |
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FYI
I've changed share difficulty from 8 to 2 in pool LTC.
Why the change? just curious. 8 seemed to be a pretty decent level for rate of share completion. Last week I made some improvements in the pool. I wanted to test them under heavier load. Besides, there is 4 times more yays in cpuminer
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September 20, 2012, 02:57:03 AM |
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Is this normal im on 1MH/s (1000Kh/s) on LTC Coinotron and i have only got 6 LTC after a few hours i was hopping for more i did the calculation based on PPS (pay per share),
Payout per Share = 47.5 LTC / (65536 × 8.8408)
0.006 LTC per Share
Is this correct ??
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September 20, 2012, 03:42:09 AM |
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Is this normal im on 1MH/s (1000Kh/s) on LTC Coinotron and i have only got 6 LTC after a few hours i was hopping for more i did the calculation based on PPS (pay per share),
Payout per Share = 47.5 LTC / (65536 × 8.8408)
0.006 LTC per Share
Is this correct ??
Cheers
The system assigns the shares after they win the blocks. Look at what the current round time is at the top right of the page, essentially that'll show the amount of time you've been mining that shares haven't been assigned to your account at all yet. After the block is won it goes to "unconfirmed" (on a pps basis, so more come in the longer the round).. after 120 rounds (like 5-6 hours) the winnings for a given round move to confirmed and get paid out after exceeding your threshhold (its not automatic, payouts occur every hour or so it seems).
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coinotron (OP)
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September 20, 2012, 09:10:09 AM |
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Is this normal im on 1MH/s (1000Kh/s) on LTC Coinotron and i have only got 6 LTC after a few hours i was hopping for more i did the calculation based on PPS (pay per share),
Payout per Share = 47.5 LTC / (65536 × 8.8408)
0.006 LTC per Share
Is this correct ??
Cheers
Here is Coinotron's formula: PPS = 49 LTC * Share Difficulty / (65536 × 8.8408) Current share difficulty is 2. So if each share mined by your mining program is worth: 0.00016914 LTC You must remember that your mining program shows number of shares of given difficulty (currently 2) while Coinotron statistics show always number of shares of difficulty 1. If you are on 1MH that means you are making 1000000/65536 = 15.26 shares of difficulty 1 per second or 7.63 shares of difficulty 2 per second. That gives: Per hour : 3600 s * 7.63 sh/s * 0.00016914 LTC = 4.65 LTC Per day : 24 * 4.65 LTC = 111.6 LTC
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September 20, 2012, 03:52:00 PM |
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Ok thanks
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September 25, 2012, 11:35:41 AM |
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Share difficulty in LTC pool changed to 4.
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