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September 06, 2014, 06:52:51 PM
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I just got an email which says someone tried to change my NMC wallet. I have logged in and changed my BTC Guild password.

Anyone else get this?
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September 06, 2014, 09:04:21 PM
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I just got an email which says someone tried to change my NMC wallet. I have logged in and changed my BTC Guild password.

Anyone else get this?
Not me, but could have also been a spam mail trying to steal a PW.

 
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September 06, 2014, 10:41:03 PM
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Is there a furtue for home miners here at BTCguild or in bitcoin itself? I keep searching for signs of new technology/software being developed but I'm not finding anything that looks promising.

What can be done to make adjustments to help home mining out? It's seems when I research I find most of the software, both pool wise and bitcoin itself, seems to be second best and less efficient for some reason or another.

I know eleuthria had stopped wrighting some of guilds pool software and just used slushes protocol(stratum) because it was already working even though it was less efficient.

I see gmaxwell using second best options because of the cost even though people have offered the money right there on the spot to help pay for the efficient systems that have patents by other people.

Gavin seems like a typical CEO type. He just repeats gmaxwell(who I do respect) and a couple of the other devs ideas. Most of the devs posts are all the same. They make it sound like the whole thing is falling apart while they make jokes.

The hardware guys are just dumping chips out with no real quality anymore.

Any ideas on the next steps? We went from cpu - gpu - fpga - asic and original network - getwork network - stratum. Is there any new technology in the near future to help us out? Is this the end of home mining?


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September 06, 2014, 10:42:19 PM
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Is this the end of home mining?
Yes. I've written pool software now, but that can't save the home miners.

The economies of scale are what's killing home miners. It's no longer about software and protocols.

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September 06, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
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Is there a furtue for home miners here at BTCguild or in bitcoin itself? I keep searching for signs of new technology/software being developed but I'm not finding anything that looks I know eleuthria had stopped wrighting some of guilds pool software and just used slushes software because it was already working even though it was less efficient.

BTC Guild's pool software is 100% custom.  It is not related to slush's python stratum server in any way.  BTC Guild did not push a competing PROTOCOL against Stratum, because it was not worth fighting over a couple extra bytes of efficiency when comparing the protocol I was working on vs Stratum, when we were moving from the awful inefficiencies of getwork.


However, "home mining" was going to die in the end regardless.  You would have to be blind not to realize that since the inception of Bitcoin.  The entire system functions based off a zero-sum game of chance.  The more power one person obtains, the less everybody else will get as a result.  Once enough money was on the table, there would ALWAYS be large entities manufacturing their own hardware for pennies on the dollar and putting it online in the cheapest power locations in the world.  Home mining is a hobby, not a business or investment.


EDIT:  At the current stage, I'd define "home mining" as anything using regular consumer computer parts, or very cheap ASICs.  If you haven't invested a large amount into your setup, you're unlikely to ever turn a profit.  The only ASICs with a *chance* at turning a profit required significant upfront costs to get a reasonable $/GH value, which normally not only means buying the most expensive hardware, but buying in bulk in order to get further discounts.
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September 06, 2014, 10:49:07 PM
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@ckolivas

I see you always staying on top of things. Asking the right questions, demanding manufacturers for their drivers so you can keeps things up to date. But not many other devs seem to be doing the same.

The new generation here are the plug and play type that doesn't seem to be bringing much to the table and I don't have the education/knowledge or status position to help.

@eleuthria

You have always been here for every miner answering questions and providing an honest pool and sharing your experience with the community. That's why I posted these questions here. I just needed to hear this from someone with the knowledge to give a trueful answer.

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September 06, 2014, 10:59:23 PM
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You have always been here for every miner answering questions and providing an honest pool. That's why I posted these questions here. I just needed to hear this from someone with the knowledge to give a truefull answer.

I've never pulled my punches when it comes to mining viability or the grim outlook for the "home miner" as we continue to move forward into the industrialization of Bitcoin mining.  I just hope we end up with enough players in the game to prevent full consolidation of mining power.  As far as I can tell, the future of Bitcoin mining will likely end up in a Cold War/Mutually Assured Destruction type arms race between a handful of ASIC manufacturers.

I'm still not sure how I feel about that.  I've always anticipated it, ever since I got into BTC in early 2011 and read up on how it works.  I just didn't expect it to take place for decades, mostly because I never anticipated exponential growth in Bitcoin's value, starting just months after I entered the game.  My only fear is that the rapid growth is taking us into that "end game" mining industrialization before enough companies have tried to establish themselves in that space.  The only major ones I can name are Spondoolies, KNC, Bitfury, Bitmain, and ASICMINER.  There's other companies out there making hardware, but I believe those are the only ones actually producing the chips, the rest just buy raw chips from those companies and assemble their own boards for them.  I didn't include BFL because they are perpetually a year behind the others, and a running joke at this point.
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September 06, 2014, 11:07:29 PM
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^ That's how I'm seeing it also. This batch of miners will problably be my last unless something extreamly more efficient comes along. I'll always run some miners, but problably not the amount I have now. Thank you both for the replies.

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September 07, 2014, 02:39:06 AM
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To me, it seems like mining always trends towards being barely profitable. I assume that eventually progress will slow down in making asic's more efficient. At that point the only way to make more profit is to buy more of the same hardware. When gpu mining was nearing it's end, there was a time when it was barely profitable. Then new tech started to come into use and changed all that. I don't think that will happen again and we will reach a saturation point. If mining becomes barely profitable, don't you think companies will stop building hardware for profit? When they have to invest millions just to make a few thousand. Seems like only the companies that want to see bitcoin succeed and be secure will stay around.
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September 07, 2014, 03:26:02 AM
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well I'm mining for fun, and making some bitcoin for testing. but just got a s1 and put it on tonight, a good time given we found five  blocks in the last ~90 mins Smiley

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Congrats, so what finally put you over ?

 
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September 07, 2014, 08:02:14 PM
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It's ALIVE!!!!!!! I've finally done it; I've surpassed the 1Th/s mark
Congrats, so what finally put you over ?

Well I was at ~950, then I BRICKED an S1 by poking around the file system (waiting on USB to uart dongle to revive it)

Dropped to 750

Picked up a habañero from forum user Nanook7. Dude I blinked and it was on my doorstep.
She's aircooled at the moment(hyper 212 EVO) and hashing away at 370-385Ghash. Waiting for payday to grab an h80i and a corsair hx1050i

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It's ALIVE!!!!!!! I've finally done it; I've surpassed the 1Th/s mark
Congrats, so what finally put you over ?

Well I was at ~950, then I BRICKED an S1 by poking around the file system (waiting on USB to uart dongle to revive it)

Dropped to 750

Picked up a habañero from forum user Nanook7. Dude I blinked and it was on my doorstep.
She's aircooled at the moment(hyper 212 EVO) and hashing away at 370-385Ghash
Sweet and congrats, and you oughta know better than poking around file systems heh.

 
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It's ALIVE!!!!!!! I've finally done it; I've surpassed the 1Th/s mark
Congrats, so what finally put you over ?

Well I was at ~950, then I BRICKED an S1 by poking around the file system (waiting on USB to uart dongle to revive it)

Dropped to 750

Picked up a habañero from forum user Nanook7. Dude I blinked and it was on my doorstep.
She's aircooled at the moment(hyper 212 EVO) and hashing away at 370-385Ghash
Sweet and congrats, and you oughta know better than poking around file systems heh.
But. But. I... Fine. But I gleaned the info I needed to start making an S1 USB controller clone for a pi or any Linux host with a USB cable

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Are we about to close without any blocks found?

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Are we about to close without any blocks found?

Hopefully not, we still have about an hour until a shift closes @ 0.  But considering the luck run this last week (20% above expectation), I'm not too worried.  We're still on track to probably get the 3-month luck back over expectation as well soon, unless we have a full week of pretty bad luck.
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Are we about to close without any blocks found?

Hopefully not, we still have about an hour until a shift closes @ 0.  But considering the luck run this last week (20% above expectation), I'm not too worried.  We're still on track to probably get the 3-month luck back over expectation as well soon, unless we have a full week of pretty bad luck.
If you had to guess, how many closings would you say there have been in the past 6 months with no blocks found ?

 
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September 08, 2014, 12:23:18 AM
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Luck has been great overall this last several weeks.
BTCG is the best as it always ends above average over 30 day period it seems.
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Are we about to close without any blocks found?

Hopefully not, we still have about an hour until a shift closes @ 0.  But considering the luck run this last week (20% above expectation), I'm not too worried.  We're still on track to probably get the 3-month luck back over expectation as well soon, unless we have a full week of pretty bad luck.

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September 08, 2014, 12:33:01 AM
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Are we about to close without any blocks found?

Hopefully not, we still have about an hour until a shift closes @ 0.  But considering the luck run this last week (20% above expectation), I'm not too worried.  We're still on track to probably get the 3-month luck back over expectation as well soon, unless we have a full week of pretty bad luck.
If you had to guess, how many closings would you say there have been in the past 6 months with no blocks found ?

3, all within the last month.  2 of them were back to back (which is somewhat expected, it was a single bad block after all).  It was only recently that the network difficulty vs shares per shift was at a point where you can expect the occasional 0-block shift.
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