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June 13, 2014, 04:20:00 AM
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Today's luck is abysmal, Ghash is at 50%, and price of BTC fell.  Today is not a good day. Sad

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June 13, 2014, 04:30:07 AM
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Shouldnt get yelled at for a link but if anyone want's to keep track of blocks found for current and previous day then just keep an eye on this.

http://www.eojmarket.com/BTC-Guild_Stat_Sig/ba-btcg_stat_sig-MoreBloodWine.php

But ya, yesterday sucked with 10 blocks.

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June 13, 2014, 04:37:17 AM
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The site is showing some odd data  RE: orphaned blocks at the moment due to a rescan happening on the hot wallet server.  Will fix itself once the rescan is complete.

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June 13, 2014, 04:43:32 AM
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Someone steal all the luck?

(24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 67.655% / 79.863% / 92.032% / 93.406% / 95.363% / 89.488% / 98.073%

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June 13, 2014, 08:43:34 AM
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Someone steal all the luck?

(24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 67.655% / 79.863% / 92.032% / 93.406% / 95.363% / 89.488% / 98.073%

It looks like that. The Eligius-attacker is seems to be attacking BTCGuild at the moment.

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June 13, 2014, 08:55:40 AM
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Someone steal all the luck?

(24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M / 3M / All Time): 67.655% / 79.863% / 92.032% / 93.406% / 95.363% / 89.488% / 98.073%

It looks like that. The Eligius-attacker is seems to be attacking BTCGuild at the moment.

No, they're not.  The "Eligius attacker" is the one that dragged BTC Guild down from April to May 7th.  They were a problem for Eligius before that period, and on and off in April - May 7th.   They have since fixed their hardware, which all signs point to being a bug they were NOT aware of at the time, based on the communication with them.  Within 48 hours of their accounts being frozen in May, they were back and submitting blocks.  Since that time, they have been submitting blocks within expectation.

Today's luck is the result of 4 poor rounds in relatively quick succession.  2x 4-hour, 1x 5-hour, 1x 3 hour blocks within the same 24 hour period.  The other blocks found during the day were roughly neutral (45m - 2h).  We just didn't get any quick bursts to offset the long ones.

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June 13, 2014, 11:27:42 AM
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When do you think we will get back to a 3 month 100% luck?  It's currently just below 90%

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June 13, 2014, 04:46:05 PM
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When do you think we will get back to a 3 month 100% luck?  It's currently just below 90%

99% luck would be "neutral" considering orphans are about a 1% chance.  The luck graph does not factor that in.  The 3-month luck will likely be back in the upper 90s (or who knows, low 100s if we're lucky) around August 10th.  That's (approximately) the point where the impact of the block withholders will no longer be a part of the 3-month average.

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June 13, 2014, 05:23:09 PM
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It would be cool if we could click on the Pool Luck button and toggle between the time denominations ie.-24hr/1week/2week...etc.
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June 13, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
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Is the empty block attack able to be used on any pool? could this explainthe poor luck among all pools. Does anyone even understand this attack

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June 13, 2014, 09:29:39 PM
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Is the empty block attack able to be used on any pool? could this explainthe poor luck among all pools. Does anyone even understand this attack
pages 346-347 should explain it better.
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June 14, 2014, 12:32:01 PM
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   I don't think "they" owe any of "us" anything.  If they had an issue, it's been recognized, with help and diligence in testing, "they" should be able to return to the pool and be a productive contributor. If "they" had enough speed to bring the collective results down, without malice intent, with the appropriate adjustments, "they" can be just as likely to boost "us" back up. In the LONG-TERM more than making up for any "losses" as others may cast upon them, and benefitting us all.
Want to walk me through that math?   Not possible.
"They" have only been on this pool 30-days before an audit popped an issue. What do you think it will take for a successful operation to over come "losses". Do you think that because they had a 30 day issue they are forever behind the 8-ball?

If they came back and mined for 1 month while not taking any payment from the pool, it would not make up for the difference (unless they were lucky or network diff suddenly got cut in half), since the difficulty is now higher than the month they started.  If they come back and add 10-15% to the pool's hash rate, and add 10-15% to the pool's blocks, that doesn't actually give anybody more money.  The slice they take out of each shift's payments would be roughly equal to the percentage of blocks they add to the pool.  That's a push.

is this miner back on the pool?  if so is there confirmation that they are not withholding (intentionally or not)?  also, is there any progress regarding the hinted at compensation by them to the other miners that were effectively shorted during their previous run?
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June 14, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
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The guy did say he had redistributed his hash rate round to all the other pools excepting Eligius.
It certainly feels like they are back.  Luck has incredibly bad despite ghash losing some ground and the pool growing.
Variance is a nasty mistress regardless of what is going on.

Is the empty block attack able to be used on any pool? could this explainthe poor luck among all pools. Does anyone even understand this attack
pages 346-347 should explain it better.

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June 14, 2014, 10:30:22 PM
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Hey Eleuthria, copied this from the Bitminter thread... note the bit in red, is this actually possible and if so how hard would it be to implement ? I mean if you can cut em off at the knees I'd say go for it and avoid the problem all together.

I'd be willing to bet if it is possible and implemented that we'd see numbers jump a bit on some pools being affected, especially on those pools it goes unnoticed on during "investigation" periods.

Doc are you even paying attention?

Yes, I am. Is there something I haven't done that you would do with every miner who is slightly unlucky, if it was your pool?

If a pool only allows miners with good luck, and kicks you out as soon as you have slightly bad luck, is there really any point to that pool?

BTCGuild and Eligius users have both been ripped off by large users that withheld blocks.

Yes, I've been watching that. And today I read at Reddit that someone is doing the same with Ghash. On purpose. And encouraging others to do the same.

This is not a good development.

But accusing anyone who hits slightly bad luck is not the solution.

I believe there was a proposal to make block withholding impossible, but it required a hardfork. Maybe that's what needs to be done.


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June 14, 2014, 10:47:25 PM
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I clicked back in the thread to 05-10-14 (3 months back from 8-10-14) and didn't see any mentioned to the withholding attack.  Is there a separate thread detailing this discovery?

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June 15, 2014, 12:46:02 AM
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I clicked back in the thread to 05-10-14 (3 months back from 8-10-14) and didn't see any mentioned to the withholding attack.  Is there a separate thread detailing this discovery?
It was discussed May 5,2014 to May 8,2014 in this thread. The issue with a miners equipment is the withholding attack that keeps coming back up. pages 343-348 or at least that's the range my browser dissects the thread.
 
 I keep coming across new threads that a user says Eligius stole 200 BTC from him. I have a feeling this is the same miner that was discovered here on the Guild and a part of this "Withholding". So in my eyes, he has publicly revealed himself.
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June 15, 2014, 12:59:54 AM
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He is the same guy that hit BTCG earlier.
In the Eligius thread he even stated he has moved his hash power back to other pools.  He sort of states he fixed the issue but it seems we are having that terrible variance we had last time he was at BTCG.
I hope we are not getting screwed so he can try and prove he can do it and get away with it.  I am fine with bad variance but not manipulation like he was doing.

I clicked back in the thread to 05-10-14 (3 months back from 8-10-14) and didn't see any mentioned to the withholding attack.  Is there a separate thread detailing this discovery?
It was discussed May 5,2014 to May 8,2014 in this thread. The issue with a miners equipment is the withholding attack that keeps coming back up. pages 343-348 or at least that's the range my browser dissects the thread.
 
 I keep coming across new threads that a user says Eligius stole 200 BTC from him. I have a feeling this is the same miner that was discovered here on the Guild and a part of this "Withholding". So in my eyes, he has publicly revealed himself.

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June 15, 2014, 01:22:52 AM
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He sort of states he fixed the issue but it seems we are having that terrible variance we had last time he was at BTCG.
and I come back to this... no rush on an answer from Michael but I do feel as I suspect others feel as well that this should try and be addressed a bit more, the issue that is.

Seeing as how if it is possible, would nip the problem in the ass.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.msg7314921#msg7314921

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June 15, 2014, 03:13:26 AM
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Variance is fine and well but is this really variance? 

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June 15, 2014, 04:03:22 AM
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I agree.
It would definitely help so much.  Many smaller miners would more apt to stay mining as well if that was implemented.

He sort of states he fixed the issue but it seems we are having that terrible variance we had last time he was at BTCG.
and I come back to this... no rush on an answer from Michael but I do feel as I suspect others feel as well that this should try and be addressed a bit more, the issue that is.

Seeing as how if it is possible, would nip the problem in the ass.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.msg7314921#msg7314921

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