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July 24, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
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Shift 18727 completed at 11:37 AM.  Block 312297 was found at 11:22 AM, before 18727 was complete.  So Block #312297 was not applied to Shift #18727, it was applied to 18726 (and the 9 before it as well).

I can clearly see that. My concern is, shouldn't shift 18727 include any blocks found before its completion time?
The shift doing the work "18727 in this case" is not paid, it is still growing in shares until it is "Completed". A shift that is still "In Progress" or doing "work" could find 10 blocks but it will not get any applied to it when it "Completes". Thus the 10 "Open Shifts" which are all "Completed". The first "Closed Shift" is not included in the "Luck Chart" because of the likely hood it "May" still have a "Pending Block Waiting for Confirmation". This is a pretty common occurrence. In this case, the first "Closed Shift 18717" was increased by one block, when Block 312297 was "Confirmed". Because it was "Open" when the block 312297 was found but had become the "First", "Closed Shift" before the block was "Confirmed". Thus leaving shift 18727 as the first "Open Shift" but with a Zero when the Block was Confirmed.
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July 24, 2014, 11:32:48 PM
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Shift 18727 completed at 11:37 AM.  Block 312297 was found at 11:22 AM, before 18727 was complete.  So Block #312297 was not applied to Shift #18727, it was applied to 18726 (and the 9 before it as well).

I can clearly see that. My concern is, shouldn't shift 18727 include any blocks found before its completion time?

Under that scenario, the system would be partially hoppable, since if a shift finds 1 or 2 blocks early on, there's a greater than average chance of that shift ending up above expectation by the time it closes.  In shift-based PPLNS, you can't pay blocks to the shift that found them without opening up this hoppable factor.  In the long run, a hopper *would* end up ahead.

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July 24, 2014, 11:36:05 PM
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nyc is a shithole

Obviously some hick who's never left his own state.
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July 24, 2014, 11:39:19 PM
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nyc is a shithole

Obviously some hick who's never left his own state.

NY is one of the least free states in the country, and NYC makes it a lot worse. that alone makes it a shit hole

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July 25, 2014, 12:17:40 AM
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Under that scenario, the system would be partially hoppable, since if a shift finds 1 or 2 blocks early on, there's a greater than average chance of that shift ending up above expectation by the time it closes.  In shift-based PPLNS, you can't pay blocks to the shift that found them without opening up this hoppable factor.  In the long run, a hopper *would* end up ahead.

Thanks. That makes sense now Smiley

The shift doing the work "18727 in this case" is not paid, it is still growing in shares until it is "Completed". A shift that is still "In Progress" or doing "work" could find 10 blocks but it will not get any applied to it when it "Completes". Thus the 10 "Open Shifts" which are all "Completed". The first "Closed Shift" is not included in the "Luck Chart" because of the likely hood it "May" still have a "Pending Block Waiting for Confirmation". This is a pretty common occurrence. In this case, the first "Closed Shift 18717" was increased by one block, when Block 312297 was "Confirmed". Because it was "Open" when the block 312297 was found but had become the "First", "Closed Shift" before the block was "Confirmed". Thus leaving shift 18727 as the first "Open Shift" but with a Zero when the Block was Confirmed.

Thank you Smiley
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July 25, 2014, 12:22:06 AM
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how is NYC going to do anything about a pool hosted in a different state

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July 25, 2014, 12:24:24 AM
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how is NYC going to do anything about a pool hosted in a different state
AFAIK, it seems Michael believes that it would spread from NY and I guess that's why he's looking at shutdown scenarios but I agree that just because something passes in NY is no reason to close the pool.

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July 25, 2014, 12:25:19 AM
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how is NYC going to do anything about a pool hosted in a different state
AFAIK, it seems Michael believes that it would spread from NY and I guess that's why he's looking at shutdown scenarios.

the only thing that guy can spread is hot air and bullshit

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July 25, 2014, 12:42:24 AM
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how is NYC going to do anything about a pool hosted in a different state
AFAIK, it seems Michael believes that it would spread from NY and I guess that's why he's looking at shutdown scenarios.

the only thing that guy can spread is hot air and bullshit
Might want to reword that if your talking about a NY rep and not Michael lol

That's easily mis-understood.

Edit: When I said Michael, I meant the pools owner.

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July 25, 2014, 01:47:45 AM
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how is NYC going to do anything about a pool hosted in a different state
AFAIK, it seems Michael believes that it would spread from NY and I guess that's why he's looking at shutdown scenarios.

the only thing that guy can spread is hot air and bullshit
Might want to reword that if your talking about a NY rep and not Michael lol

That's easily mis-understood.

Edit: When I said Michael, I meant the pools owner.

You should probably just stick to calling me Eleuthria in order to avoid that confusion.  It even takes me a minute to realize it's referencing me (I have a strong disconnect between online and offline communication).

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July 25, 2014, 02:17:06 AM
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how is NYC going to do anything about a pool hosted in a different state
AFAIK, it seems Michael believes that it would spread from NY and I guess that's why he's looking at shutdown scenarios.

the only thing that guy can spread is hot air and bullshit
Might want to reword that if your talking about a NY rep and not Michael lol

That's easily mis-understood.

Edit: When I said Michael, I meant the pools owner.

You should probably just stick to calling me Eleuthria in order to avoid that confusion.  It even takes me a minute to realize it's referencing me (I have a strong disconnect between online and offline communication).
The Mihcael things just easier because I find myself sayin the name in my head and just don't know how to pronounce your forum name.

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July 25, 2014, 02:51:58 AM
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It's time to cheer up and keep mining. It's always the darkest just before the dawn. The pool has been doing fine lately(look at posts from 2011, they could barely keep the pool online) and I'm sure things will work out with this New York thing. This is a pool not a bank, so hopefully the final laws will be specifically for banks/exchanges.

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July 25, 2014, 03:13:41 AM
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The Mihcael things just easier because I find myself sayin the name in my head and just don't know how to pronounce your forum name.

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July 25, 2014, 03:26:04 AM
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I was talking about Michael Bloomberg lol

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July 25, 2014, 03:26:57 AM
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The Mihcael things just easier because I find myself sayin the name in my head and just don't know how to pronounce your forum name.

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The Greek word ἐλευθερία (pronunciation: [elefθeˈria]), commonly transliterated in English as eleutheria or phonetically spelled eleftheria, is an ancient and modern Greek term for, and personification of, liberty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleutheria
So I'll call him liberty from now on then lol

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July 25, 2014, 03:30:22 AM
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The Mihcael things just easier because I find myself sayin the name in my head and just don't know how to pronounce your forum name.

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The Greek word ἐλευθερία (pronunciation: [elefθeˈria]), commonly transliterated in English as eleutheria or phonetically spelled eleftheria, is an ancient and modern Greek term for, and personification of, liberty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleutheria
So I'll call him liberty from now on then lol

If he does not mind...

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July 25, 2014, 04:25:17 AM
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The Mihcael things just easier because I find myself sayin the name in my head and just don't know how to pronounce your forum name.

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The Greek word ἐλευθερία (pronunciation: [elefθeˈria]), commonly transliterated in English as eleutheria or phonetically spelled eleftheria, is an ancient and modern Greek term for, and personification of, liberty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleutheria
So I'll call him liberty from now on then lol

If he does not mind...

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It's a hell of a lot easier than some greek shit lol

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July 25, 2014, 08:07:49 AM
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It's time to cheer up and keep mining. It's always the darkest just before the dawn. The pool has been doing fine lately(look at posts from 2011, they could barely keep the pool online) and I'm sure things will work out with this New York thing. This is a pool not a bank, so hopefully the final laws will be specifically for banks/exchanges.

Bolded the part that I hope is how the regulation ends up.  It's clear by the way its written that the target business types are services that convert fiat/virtual currency and places that are being advertised as a way to store and spend virtual currencies with a third party.  That's exactly the type of business the NYDFS was designed to regulate.

I know most believe I'm over-reacting, but those who have gotten to know me over the last few years have probably picked up on the fact that I'm extremely conservative when it comes to business and finances, a stark contrast to the general Bitcoin public.  Given the choice of closing the pool down gracefully with everybody getting what they're owed, or leaving it online and risking everything I've earned to date due to a clearly overreaching regulatory body, I will take the approach that doesn't involve risk.  Not to mention everything owed to users, which would be at risk as well.

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July 25, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
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The Greek word ἐλευθερία (pronunciation: [elefθeˈria]), commonly transliterated in English as eleutheria or phonetically spelled eleftheria, is an ancient and modern Greek term for, and personification of, liberty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleutheria
I made this mistake with his name myself 2 years ago and I thought he might be Greek. Look harder at his handle, you'll see it isn't eleutheria.

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July 25, 2014, 02:00:11 PM
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The Greek word ἐλευθερία (pronunciation: [elefθeˈria]), commonly transliterated in English as eleutheria or phonetically spelled eleftheria, is an ancient and modern Greek term for, and personification of, liberty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleutheria
I made this mistake with his name myself 2 years ago and I thought he might be Greek. Look harder at his handle, you'll see it isn't eleutheria.

Oddly enough, the Eleuthria / Eleutheria connection is something I was completely unaware of until a few years ago when somebody asked me about it in #btcguild.  I don't think ckolivas was the first to ask, but it's possible.  The Eleuthria name was something I made up in high school.  I learned C & C++ programming basics by working on MUDs in middle school and high school.  Eleuthria was a name I came up with for one of the games.  For a swords & sorcery fantasy title, generally more vowels = better, and that's where "Eleuthria" came from.  Pronunciation being 'Eee-loo-three-uh' or 'El-oo-three-uh' (it's shifted over the years).

It wasn't my primary handle on the internet though, I'm not quite sure why I used it for Bitcoin.  Had I known I would end up making BTC Guild, I probably would've picked one that wasn't feminine!

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