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July 15, 2014, 01:27:17 AM
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I think setting a 90 days to change your setting deadline followed by a (per hour/payout round) max withdraw from an individual account amount, that says (overages/requested) will roll over to the next round of payouts till the request is complete would work.
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July 15, 2014, 04:04:13 AM
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I think if a user's account rolls beyond something 5 or 10BTC they should be notified that withdrawals will be limited to manual intervention.  Using the pool as a bank puts all the other users at more risk since it takes away the valuable resource of Eleuthria's time.

Apparently people haven't learned from 50BTC to not use a pool as a bank.

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July 16, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
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Any more fees and people will keep leaving for the evil ghash.
Just setup an email reminder that is triggered at a set amount of BTC to remind them to withdraw.

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July 16, 2014, 10:23:24 PM
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I've been noticing a big surge in emails attempting to distribute a virus, using Bitcoin related subject lines.  Emails pretending to be from various manufacturers with "invoices" attached (virus in a .jar), others pretending to be from cex.io and ghash.io as well.  While I know at least some of these are likely targeting me specifically (I've had some pretending to be from pool users), some of them look much more generic.

So this is just going out there as a reminder that you shouldn't click links in email or download attachments you were not expecting.  There is absolutely no reason for a Bitcoin company to send you an invoice as an attachment.  Summer time has always seen a big surge in phishing attempts, and another surge in account compromises from users who got tricked by them.  Luckily there hasn't been any noticeable surge in "my account as hacked" type emails over the last few months.

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July 16, 2014, 10:25:49 PM
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Any more fees and people will keep leaving for the evil ghash.
Just setup an email reminder that is triggered at a set amount of BTC to remind them to withdraw.

Still no reason for them to comply, so unless Michael adds some sort of a preventative measure then chances are at least half or more of the people using the guild as a bank will continue to do so and Michael will just continue to make a post every so often asking people to stop doing this knowing that they have no reason to listen.

Edit: Basically what it comes down to for me is this... why "complain" about something that will most likely never stop unless your willing to actually do something about it.

I know this seems like a direct poke at Michael, while that's not my intention I do feel that unless something is actually done about it then the practice of people using the guild as a bank will most likely never end thus causing thee continuous wallet issues he talks about.

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July 16, 2014, 10:50:37 PM
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Edit: Basically what it comes down to for me is this... why "complain" about something that will most likely never stop unless your willing to actually do something about it.

A friendly suggestion with a thorough explanation is not the same thing as a complaint.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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July 16, 2014, 10:56:37 PM
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Edit: Basically what it comes down to for me is this... why "complain" about something that will most likely never stop unless your willing to actually do something about it.

A friendly suggestion with a thorough explanation is not the same thing as a complaint.
A suggestion that may or may not bare any actual fruit because it is just that, a suggestion.

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July 16, 2014, 11:09:21 PM
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Terms and information posted. Then just leave it at that. If a user wants to keep a large amount of bitcoin in an online wallet that's their decision and will have to deal with the consequences of doing that. 100 bitcoin in a pool wallet, they deserve to lose it. Sorry.


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July 17, 2014, 01:16:55 AM
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Edit: Basically what it comes down to for me is this... why "complain" about something that will most likely never stop unless your willing to actually do something about it.

A friendly suggestion with a thorough explanation is not the same thing as a complaint.
A suggestion that may or may not bare any actual fruit because it is just that, a suggestion.

That is often the way of suggestions.  You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, or so I'm told.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
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July 17, 2014, 01:25:22 AM
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Edit: Basically what it comes down to for me is this... why "complain" about something that will most likely never stop unless your willing to actually do something about it.

A friendly suggestion with a thorough explanation is not the same thing as a complaint.
A suggestion that may or may not bare any actual fruit because it is just that, a suggestion.

That is often the way of suggestions.  You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, or so I'm told.
You can make the horse drink which is what I sort of suggested to Michael but he shot it down as a form of theft.

I mean, if people want to use the pool as a bank, then why not charge them extra fees of say 2-5% if it's causing issues with the wallets when one persons like hey, I think I'll withdraw 10 BTC today which messes up withdraws for everyone else until Michael moves some funds around which is what his suggestion / complaint was about.

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July 17, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
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(haven't read all posts leading up to this, so apologize if it's already been said)

Howsabout instead just changing the terms on the guaranteed amount in any one users' wallet?  US banks have insurance on their deposit accounts up to a certain limit - 250k for example.  Just change the policy to guarantee up to only so much BTC - 25BTC, 50BTC, whatever.  This way if something happens they are guaranteed to get something, but anything over they will lose which is IMHO just deserved for not caring to deal with it on their own.

This gives an incentive for folks to move the money out without imposing additional fees, and also provides the pool operator a very easy calculation on what needs to be maintained in the hot wallet.  If you have a guarantee of say 25BTC, and a 100 user base, you know you need a max of up to 2,500 BTC in a worst case scenario.

In addition, post also a limit on how long inactive accounts will be guaranteed, as well as impose a fee there after a certain period of time.  Again, US banks do this by terming accounts "dormant" if they haven't been accessed in say 6 months or a year.  After that period elapses, they charge a monthly fee until the account is made "active" again by incurring another transaction.  This also gives an incentive for people to maintain their accounts properly, since it would hurt them in the long run.

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July 17, 2014, 05:00:41 PM
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I mean, if people want to use the pool as a bank, then why not charge them extra fees of say 2-5% if it's causing issues with the wallets when one persons like hey, I think I'll withdraw 10 BTC today which messes up withdraws for everyone else until Michael moves some funds around which is what his suggestion / complaint was about.

Would a simple solution be to only process automatic withdrawals from the hot wallet for accounts holding < X BTC, and anything over that gets sent to manual handling?
That way it is the person using the pool as a bank who is inconvenienced, rather than everyone else, but you aren't imposing any additional fees.

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July 17, 2014, 05:35:16 PM
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Would a simple solution be to only process automatic withdrawals from the hot wallet for accounts holding < X BTC, and anything over that gets sent to manual handling?
That way it is the person using the pool as a bank who is inconvenienced, rather than everyone else, but you aren't imposing any additional fees.


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July 17, 2014, 07:41:51 PM
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Would a simple solution be to only process automatic withdrawals from the hot wallet for accounts holding < X BTC, and anything over that gets sent to manual handling?
That way it is the person using the pool as a bank who is inconvenienced, rather than everyone else, but you aren't imposing any additional fees.


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July 17, 2014, 10:23:03 PM
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Would a simple solution be to only process automatic withdrawals from the hot wallet for accounts holding < X BTC, and anything over that gets sent to manual handling?
That way it is the person using the pool as a bank who is inconvenienced, rather than everyone else, but you aren't imposing any additional fees.


Simple and elegant

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July 17, 2014, 11:03:01 PM
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And so it begins.  New York regulators are now proposing things which would make it essentially illegal for anybody to use Bitcoin in that state without being registered. It is so over-reaching that it would even catch things like the Bitcoin tipbot on reddit, which would be an illegally operating entity if it allows you to tip a New York resident.

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf

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July 17, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
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And so it begins.  New York regulators are now proposing things which would make it essentially illegal for anybody to use Bitcoin in that state without being registered. It is so over-reaching that it would even catch things like the Bitcoin tipbot on reddit, which would be an illegally operating entity if it allows you to tip a New York resident.

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf
Where are you / the pool based ?

I'm in PA.

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July 17, 2014, 11:33:51 PM
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And so it begins.  New York regulators are now proposing things which would make it essentially illegal for anybody to use Bitcoin in that state without being registered. It is so over-reaching that it would even catch things like the Bitcoin tipbot on reddit, which would be an illegally operating entity if it allows you to tip a New York resident.

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf
Where are you / the pool based ?

I'm in PA.

Nevada currently, but this regulation would affect the pool if it has users in New York.  And I doubt a "I agree I'm not a resident of New York" checkbox would be enough.  Luckily this has 45 days of commenting, then review, and then there are 45 days after it's put into effect before it is enforced.  Quite frankly, if something even remotely close to what is currently open for comment goes into effect, the pool will probably be forced to close.

Living in the US makes trying to sidestep/ignore this a non-option.  I doubt they'd chase international pool owners, but depending on what country they're in, I wouldn't exactly assume they're safe (US doesn't have a history of respecting international borders when it comes to internet businesses).

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July 17, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
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And so it begins.  New York regulators are now proposing things which would make it essentially illegal for anybody to use Bitcoin in that state without being registered. It is so over-reaching that it would even catch things like the Bitcoin tipbot on reddit, which would be an illegally operating entity if it allows you to tip a New York resident.

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf
Where are you / the pool based ?

I'm in PA.

Nevada currently, but this regulation would affect the pool if it has users in New York.  And I doubt a "I agree I'm not a resident of New York" checkbox would be enough.  Luckily this has 45 days of commenting, then review, and then there are 45 days after it's put into effect before it is enforced.  Quite frankly, if something even remotely close to what is currently open for comment goes into effect, the pool will probably be forced to close.

Living in the US makes trying to sidestep/ignore this a non-option.  I doubt they'd chase international pool owners, but depending on what country they're in, I wouldn't exactly assume they're safe (US doesn't have a history of respecting international borders when it comes to internet businesses).
Well, if this ends up coming to fruition then I guess ghash will be getting a big bump from people because that's where I'll be going as I suspect others will too when the pool closes if it ever does.

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July 17, 2014, 11:56:54 PM
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Well, if this ends up coming to fruition then I guess ghash will be getting a big bump from people because that's where I'll be going as I suspect others will too when the pool closes if it ever does.

I'll go to everywhere, except GHASH.IO. There are lot of good guys still remaining. SLush, Eligius, p2pool, etc...
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