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November 15, 2021, 01:46:12 PM
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Baber Azam made 303 runs while David Warner from Australia made 289 runs.
How come the puppet ICC give the player of the tournament as David Warner.
This is an unfair decision as Baber scored these runs in 6 innings and warner took 7 innings to score even less runs.

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I don't get the point. Does the Player of the Tournament award have to be given to the person who has made the most runs throughout the tournament? In total, 289 runs were scored at an average of 48.16, including a crucial half-century in the final. Warner may have less runs, but he deserves it. He is the Player of the Tournament at the 2021 T20 World Cup. Warner wins the trophy because he brought the team to the finals, but Baber Azam does not. While I understand Pakistani fans' frustration, the facts remain the same.
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November 15, 2021, 02:20:21 PM
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Baber Azam made 303 runs while David Warner from Australia made 289 runs.
How come the puppet ICC give the player of the tournament as David Warner.
This is an unfair decision as Baber scored these runs in 6 innings and warner took 7 innings to score even less runs.

Food for thought...

Well, we've seen ICC do this before and the explanation was like this- As Babar made the most runs, he should have been the player of the tournament. But his team didn't win the cup, and as Australia won the cup and Warner scored 289 (only 14 less than Babar) Warner's runs were more impactful for his team. So Warner is the player of the tournament.

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November 15, 2021, 03:38:26 PM
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Australian's are mostly play very good in big games, so they have done in semifinal and final we can say they are real champions of cricket with ability of having change things very quickly. After lost against England no one was expecting they can do like this but after this lost Warner and Hazelwood both fight back in very good way Adam Zampa was also very useful in critical situations.
New Zealand done some better in last few years but still they need more time because first they were mostly losing in semifinals now they have habit of losing in finals so losing three finals in 6 years really matter of worry but still good thing they were able to win test championship against team like India.

I think New Zealand needs to find some really hard-hitting batsmen for their one-day and t20 squad. I know they have that type of player but if you don't score in the depth overs, u can't win in t20 and also in ODI in some cases. And their whole batting order needs to be more strengthened. Because Cricket is becoming a game of batsmen day by day.

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November 15, 2021, 06:11:49 PM
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Australian's are mostly play very good in big games, so they have done in semifinal and final we can say they are real champions of cricket with ability of having change things very quickly. After lost against England no one was expecting they can do like this but after this lost Warner and Hazelwood both fight back in very good way Adam Zampa was also very useful in critical situations.
New Zealand done some better in last few years but still they need more time because first they were mostly losing in semifinals now they have habit of losing in finals so losing three finals in 6 years really matter of worry but still good thing they were able to win test championship against team like India.

I think New Zealand needs to find some really hard-hitting batsmen for their one-day and t20 squad. I know they have that type of player but if you don't score in the depth overs, u can't win in t20 and also in ODI in some cases. And their whole batting order needs to be more strengthened. Because Cricket is becoming a game of batsmen day by day.

I feel NZ has best batsmen now in the line and the last match was fantastic. I feel the bowlers have to be looked at. Need to bring in few more best spinners who is more capable of taking more wickets. What I observed in the final match is, NZ players missed few catches which led them really loose the match. Warner and Marsh were on fire. If NZ had controlled the runs and caught the wickets came in, they would have been the winner as the score 170 plus was not easily chase-able in finals. 

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November 15, 2021, 06:26:02 PM
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Australian's are mostly play very good in big games, so they have done in semifinal and final we can say they are real champions of cricket with ability of having change things very quickly. After lost against England no one was expecting they can do like this but after this lost Warner and Hazelwood both fight back in very good way Adam Zampa was also very useful in critical situations.
New Zealand done some better in last few years but still they need more time because first they were mostly losing in semifinals now they have habit of losing in finals so losing three finals in 6 years really matter of worry but still good thing they were able to win test championship against team like India.

I think New Zealand needs to find some really hard-hitting batsmen for their one-day and t20 squad. I know they have that type of player but if you don't score in the depth overs, u can't win in t20 and also in ODI in some cases. And their whole batting order needs to be more strengthened. Because Cricket is becoming a game of batsmen day by day.

I feel NZ has best batsmen now in the line and the last match was fantastic. I feel the bowlers have to be looked at. Need to bring in few more best spinners who is more capable of taking more wickets. What I observed in the final match is, NZ players missed few catches which led them really loose the match. Warner and Marsh were on fire. If NZ had controlled the runs and caught the wickets came in, they would have been the winner as the score 170 plus was not easily chase-able in finals. 
Mistakes from New Zealand were the drops, other than that there is nothing to say. Because the batsmen did their responsibility scoring 170 runs which is good. From the bowling side, the bowlers did the best to stop. But, they weren't capable doing it as the batsmen were in fire crashing everyone's bowling.

My strong belief for the winning of Australia against New Zealand is the ground. Dubai grounds are much supportive for second batting. This has been experienced throughout the tournament.

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November 15, 2021, 07:34:04 PM
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I don't understand why everyone is saying that since Australia won the toss, they have won the match. Even though toss played an important role, but Australian batsmen played really well to chase the target of 170+ runs. Not all teams will be able to chase this target in the final of a world cup match.
It is an understatement to claim that you cannot understand why winning the toss was not crucial in this tournament. Do you remember any captain winning the toss and electing to bat first. No one dared to do that because the pitch was difficult to bat early on and as the match progress it will be easier to bat while the dew factor played an important role which was making things hard for the bowlers.
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November 15, 2021, 08:31:16 PM
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Do you remember any captain winning the toss and electing to bat first. No one dared to do that because the pitch was difficult to bat early on and as the match progress it will be easier to bat while the dew factor played an important role which was making things hard for the bowlers.
Yeah, I remember Afghanistan elected to bat first after winning toss against New Zealand and Bangladesh also did the same against England if my memories are accurate. In my opinion also Dubai pitch is totally a different kind from what we have been seeing at all around the world.

Some pitches are pace friendly which will lead to low scoring matches but Dubai pitch is also getting us low scoring matches still second batting side or first batting after 10 overs are seeming like batting friendly pitch. Not sure how curators have developed such an unique kind of pitch which is totally different from earlier IPL match pitches.

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November 15, 2021, 10:30:32 PM
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Do you remember any captain winning the toss and electing to bat first. No one dared to do that because the pitch was difficult to bat early on and as the match progress it will be easier to bat while the dew factor played an important role which was making things hard for the bowlers.
Yeah, I remember Afghanistan elected to bat first after winning toss against New Zealand and Bangladesh also did the same against England if my memories are accurate. In my opinion also Dubai pitch is totally a different kind from what we have been seeing at all around the world.

Some pitches are pace friendly which will lead to low scoring matches but Dubai pitch is also getting us low scoring matches still second batting side or first batting after 10 overs are seeming like batting friendly pitch. Not sure how curators have developed such an unique kind of pitch which is totally different from earlier IPL match pitches.
During the IPL matches the pitch isn't like this. This is not according to the development. The pitch has been experiencing some changes in between. This seems to happen normally. At times this serves to be supportive to the batting and at times it turns on to the bowling. What happened with Pakistan, it was like their home ground. Finally they weren't able to have control. The loss in the semi is not because of the pitch alone, there are mistakes which ended the journey.

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November 15, 2021, 10:53:30 PM
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Yes, the New Zealand is one of those teams who are constantly performing without being noticed too much. Also their team is not very much experienced but have good commitment and performance. They have won against India & England and if they won today, this would mean that they have won against all the big three teams. However, they were unable to beat the most strongest team of the tournament that is Pakistan.

It doesn't matter whether they have beaten Pakistan or not. NZ is in the final while Pakistan is back home. NZ must end this habit of losing WC finals, they have never won any major ICC tournament except ICC champions trophy in 2000. As far as today game is concerned, as everyone saying TOSS will be the key. You won toss, you won WC. 

Again they have lost the finals and unable to change their perception as they are not the finishers of the big tournaments. Also they can't beat the good teams of the tournaments like Australia and Pakistan. That's another reason why they are afraid of playing cricket with good teams and habit of running away from the playing fields. Had they played the series with Pakistan, they would have got more experience and would be a much better team.

Haven't seen many cricket games but the ones that I've seen are those Pakistan being beaten (most of the time). Australia however is very good in cricket from the games that I've seen.
One of the matches where the Indian team had a huge disadvantage against the bowlers of Australia and couldn't do much.
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I don't understand why everyone is saying that since Australia won the toss, they have won the match. Even though toss played an important role, but Australian batsmen played really well to chase the target of 170+ runs. Not all teams will be able to chase this target in the final of a world cup match.
It is an understatement to claim that you cannot understand why winning the toss was not crucial in this tournament. Do you remember any captain winning the toss and electing to bat first. No one dared to do that because the pitch was difficult to bat early on and as the match progress it will be easier to bat while the dew factor played an important role which was making things hard for the bowlers.

Absolutely correct, every team that won the match in this tournament has always chosen to ball first and bat later. Toss was a crucial point in this tournament. Australia was lucky from the beginning by winning the toss and they did play well you cannot deny that too. They have now become the only team to have won the most trophies in an ICC tournament. If I am correct they have won:

1. 5 ODI world cup
2. 2 Championship trophies
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Yes, toss had a huge impact for the victory of Australia. Toss has won the World Cup, indeed this is the fact. Congratulations Australia Men's Cricket Team. After quite a while Australia get their hands on the ICC Men's T20 World Cup Trophy. They truly deserved it, particularly Warner who has been sitting during the IPL matches. But, this team were not in a position to win the World Cup as they were defeated couple of series.

Before the toss, both the teams had an almost equal chance. But the toss shifted advantage towards Australia. Anyway, toss is a part of the game and the Kiwis should not feel too disheartened. And I have always told one thing about the Australian cricket team - that they perform at their best during the finals of ICC tournaments. This time also, that was the case. When the tournament started, Australia wasn't even considered as one of the favorites. England were the preferred team for gamblers, followed by Pakistan and New Zealand.

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Ahead of the series against Bangladesh, Pakistan hit the nets after the T20WorldCup. Bangladesh is yet to announce their T20 squad following the series, and rumors suggest that Shakib Al Hasan, Musfiqur Rahman, Saifuddin, Liton, and Sarkar will not be considered or will not take part due to personal reasons. Tamim Iqbal remains absent in this series as well. Do you think Bangladesh will sweep Pakistan in both the T20 and the Test series based on previous experience? Here at Mirpur, all the champions lost not only badly, but they are almost in front of a whitewash.
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Baber Azam made 303 runs while David Warner from Australia made 289 runs.
How come the puppet ICC give the player of the tournament as David Warner.
This is an unfair decision as Baber scored these runs in 6 innings and warner took 7 innings to score even less runs.

Food for thought...

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I don't get the point. Does the Player of the Tournament award have to be given to the person who has made the most runs throughout the tournament? In total, 289 runs were scored at an average of 48.16, including a crucial half-century in the final. Warner may have less runs, but he deserves it. He is the Player of the Tournament at the 2021 T20 World Cup. Warner wins the trophy because he brought the team to the finals, but Baber Azam does not. While I understand Pakistani fans' frustration, the facts remain the same.


Which are you trying to find out the frustration when we have beaten all teams in the pool but lost the semi-finals. The frustrated team after playing so many IPL matches were already knocked out very early in the tournament  Smiley 


Baber Azam made 303 runs while David Warner from Australia made 289 runs.
How come the puppet ICC give the player of the tournament as David Warner.
This is an unfair decision as Baber scored these runs in 6 innings and warner took 7 innings to score even less runs.

Food for thought...

Well, we've seen ICC do this before and the explanation was like this- As Babar made the most runs, he should have been the player of the tournament. But his team didn't win the cup, and as Australia won the cup and Warner scored 289 (only 14 less than Babar) Warner's runs were more impactful for his team. So Warner is the player of the tournament.

If warner played well in a Semi final match to get their team in the final, he deserve a Man of the match and not the player of the tournament. Baber Azam innings helped Pakistan to remain unbeaten in all the matches in the pool stage.

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Ahead of the series against Bangladesh, Pakistan hit the nets after the T20WorldCup. Bangladesh is yet to announce their T20 squad following the series, and rumors suggest that Shakib Al Hasan, Musfiqur Rahman, Saifuddin, Liton, and Sarkar will not be considered or will not take part due to personal reasons. Tamim Iqbal remains absent in this series as well. Do you think Bangladesh will sweep Pakistan in both the T20 and the Test series based on previous experience? Here at Mirpur, all the champions lost not only badly, but they are almost in front of a whitewash.

It will be the other way, I'm afraid. In all probability, Pakistan is going to whitewash Bangladesh. And the chances will be higher in case senior players like Shakib and Liton are not included in the playing XI. The morale is down in the Pakistan squad, but the same can be said about their opponents after their humiliating loss against Scotland. Now one thing that I don't want Pakistan to do is to underestimate their opponents. That will be a big mistake against a team that is playing under home conditions.

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Ahead of the series against Bangladesh, Pakistan hit the nets after the T20WorldCup. Bangladesh is yet to announce their T20 squad following the series, and rumors suggest that Shakib Al Hasan, Musfiqur Rahman, Saifuddin, Liton, and Sarkar will not be considered or will not take part due to personal reasons. Tamim Iqbal remains absent in this series as well. Do you think Bangladesh will sweep Pakistan in both the T20 and the Test series based on previous experience? Here at Mirpur, all the champions lost not only badly, but they are almost in front of a whitewash.
After this world cup I am sure Pakistan is not going to take easy this series because they know it's this format any result can happen, so now they are in good shape and other advantage is now Bangladesh is now playing without their few key players like Shakib, Luton and now Musfiqur is also out, so hopefully they will whitewash and have some better experiments as well in presence of few young players those with team for some time but until now have no chance to be in playing eleven.
As Pakistan play in world cup this was really great impact of their new start with the presence of Hayden and Philander now these both back their respective countries, but hopefully their tips still work for them.

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It will be the other way, I'm afraid. In all probability, Pakistan is going to whitewash Bangladesh. And the chances will be higher in case senior players like Shakib and Liton are not included in the playing XI. The morale is down in the Pakistan squad, but the same can be said about their opponents after their humiliating loss against Scotland. Now one thing that I don't want Pakistan to do is to underestimate their opponents. That will be a big mistake against a team that is playing under home conditions.
Pakistan played really well throughout the tournament and there is no point in having a low morale. They batted well and till the final few overs they were dominating the game. The story of Bangladesh is different, they need to build a team for the shorter format, in Test match they usually perform well in Asian tracks because they have some good spinners.
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It will be the other way, I'm afraid. In all probability, Pakistan is going to whitewash Bangladesh. And the chances will be higher in case senior players like Shakib and Liton are not included in the playing XI. The morale is down in the Pakistan squad, but the same can be said about their opponents after their humiliating loss against Scotland. Now one thing that I don't want Pakistan to do is to underestimate their opponents. That will be a big mistake against a team that is playing under home conditions.
Pakistan played really well throughout the tournament and there is no point in having a low morale. They batted well and till the final few overs they were dominating the game. The story of Bangladesh is different, they need to build a team for the shorter format, in Test match they usually perform well in Asian tracks because they have some good spinners.

^ I don't think there is any reason why Pakistan should have a low moral well at least not lower than Bangladesh. And honestly speaking Bangladesh doesn't even have a T20 team. They just play an ever they think will do good. And they only do good in home conditions because they make their tracks spin favorable but I wanted if that's gonna work India/Pakistan as they have some good spinners too.

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It will be the other way, I'm afraid. In all probability, Pakistan is going to whitewash Bangladesh. And the chances will be higher in case senior players like Shakib and Liton are not included in the playing XI. The morale is down in the Pakistan squad, but the same can be said about their opponents after their humiliating loss against Scotland. Now one thing that I don't want Pakistan to do is to underestimate their opponents. That will be a big mistake against a team that is playing under home conditions.
Pakistan played really well throughout the tournament and there is no point in having a low morale. They batted well and till the final few overs they were dominating the game. The story of Bangladesh is different, they need to build a team for the shorter format, in Test match they usually perform well in Asian tracks because they have some good spinners.

^ I don't think there is any reason why Pakistan should have a low moral well at least not lower than Bangladesh. And honestly speaking Bangladesh doesn't even have a T20 team. They just play an ever they think will do good. And they only do good in home conditions because they make their tracks spin favorable but I wanted if that's gonna work India/Pakistan as they have some good spinners too.

There is no comparison between the two teams, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Pakistan were in good form in the world cup and i can say that Bangladesh were struggling to find any sort of form. If this continues in the next series between the two teams, we can easily win bets by predicting Pakistan as a winner.

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November 17, 2021, 08:48:33 AM
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Ahead of the series against Bangladesh, Pakistan hit the nets after the T20WorldCup. Bangladesh is yet to announce their T20 squad following the series, and rumors suggest that Shakib Al Hasan, Musfiqur Rahman, Saifuddin, Liton, and Sarkar will not be considered or will not take part due to personal reasons. Tamim Iqbal remains absent in this series as well. Do you think Bangladesh will sweep Pakistan in both the T20 and the Test series based on previous experience? Here at Mirpur, all the champions lost not only badly, but they are almost in front of a whitewash.
After this world cup I am sure Pakistan is not going to take easy this series because they know it's this format any result can happen, so now they are in good shape and other advantage is now Bangladesh is now playing without their few key players like Shakib, Luton and now Musfiqur is also out, so hopefully they will whitewash and have some better experiments as well in presence of few young players those with team for some time but until now have no chance to be in playing eleven.
As Pakistan play in world cup this was really great impact of their new start with the presence of Hayden and Philander now these both back their respective countries, but hopefully their tips still work for them.

Pakistan is in the form of table life right now. I don't care that they didn't win the world cup and we all know that the toss had it is not bigger effect in that match against Australia. If they had won the toss they could have won the match in my opinion. So, I don't think Bangladesh has any chances against Pakistan.

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November 17, 2021, 11:14:22 AM
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Pakistan played really well throughout the tournament and there is no point in having a low morale. They batted well and till the final few overs they were dominating the game. The story of Bangladesh is different, they need to build a team for the shorter format, in Test match they usually perform well in Asian tracks because they have some good spinners.

Pakistan was one of the favorites. And they were having the highest odds for any teams in the semi-final. But what happened in the last two overs was disastrous. First there was a dropped catch and then Shaheen Shah Afridi was hit for three big sixes. In the end, Pakistan did what they are famous for. They dominated a match for 90% of the duration and gave it away in the last couple of overs. I didn't even took Matthew Wade seriously before that match. And look what he did to Pakistan.

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