⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[alegotardo]

Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me

It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar

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[DU18]

Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me

It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar

hahahahha you are a funny person and to be honest I'm a little confused by what you think, you say that Manchester City will beat Chelsea but you bet on a club that you really doubt to win  ,  I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win,  and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all

[mv1986]

Tuchel lost one final against PSG. Recently lost another one against Chelsea and this time to Leicester. I think this one will also lose. Especially the opponent of Manchester City. The team is stronger than Leicester and stronger than Bayern. And very eager to win the Champions League.

The both teams are eager to win the CL alike, not just City, Chelsea have won it before, just once though, but I'm pretty sure they'll be eager to make it two, Pep has won it twice, but that's a long time ago, Tuchel has never won it, but went as far as the final last season, everyone involved in the final needs this trophy, for pride, bragging right, reputation, to assert dominance etc.

City have dominated English football in the past decade, it's just the CL that has eluded them thus far, quite a lot of people believe that's the reason Pep was signed, he now has the opportunity to beat his chest as the only manager in City's history to have won every major trophy for them, it's going to be an enthralling final on the 29th, but I'm of the opinion that Pep will outwit Tuchel in the end.

This is a clash of the giants in terms of their history regarding finals and achievements and failures. Guardiola wants to get rid of the saying that he can only win with Messi, Tuchel wants to make it for the first time but Chelsea is losing steam just now. I would call that bad timing but a final is still a final. For him every game from now on will be a final and he can't even rotate within the team that much or he risks to lose the routine that has been built up within his team.

Hmm I won't call neither of the teams having a giant history but most likely a good recent history but so far City did not won a single international trophy so maybe it's time for that 2012 final when Chelsea had pure luck and a Drogba in monster mood to rotate around City and take the win and the tittle. Also Guardiola really lost ages from his life trying to win the UCL again with both Bayern and now with City so maybe it's time for him as Tuchel proved that he is a future coach that probably will win his title at some point , maybe even now but like I said the odds are with City and Pep.

With giants I rather referred to their close defeats, especially Manchester City. It is not like they've never been able to win it. The ways they were kicked out were sometimes unlucky or due to their inefficiency. In almost all cases they dominated the games. I know that is not what finally counts, but still in some games for City it felt like Bayern against Chelsea and as you mentioned, Bayern lost it despite 17:1 corners if I remember correctly plus a penalty in overtime.

@mv1986 initially I thought that Manchester City would easily win it, but Tuchel has shown that he’s not a newbie and by beating Pep twice, I believe that he has gained an psychological advantage going in this fixture. Also it’s pertinent to note that Chelsea strikers are goal shy, and that’s where they may lose the plot against City, hence I’m torn on whom to wager on for this finale.

Exactly my train of thought. I said that if Tuchel manages to beat Pep in one or two games, It's a 50:50 final for sure. When you look at the stats Chelsea's offense is really bad, but they don't concede goals. I am pretty sure when Chelsea takes a 1-0 lead, Pep knows it is gonna be very tough. Honestly, I'd be happy for both of them, I just hope it is going to be a great game. Tuchel deserves it, and Pep does, too. They are both incredible coaches.

[MusaMohamed]

Exactly my train of thought. I said that if Tuchel manages to beat Pep in one or two games, It's a 50:50 final for sure. When you look at the stats Chelsea's offense is really bad, but they don't concede goals. I am pretty sure when Chelsea takes a 1-0 lead, Pep knows it is gonna be very tough. Honestly, I'd be happy for both of them, I just hope it is going to be a great game. Tuchel deserves it, and Pep does, too. They are both incredible coaches.

Sure. If Pep and Manchester City begin the final match with the attitude to beat or destroy Chelsea and if Chelsea score first. Bad things for Pep and Man City because with Kante in the midfield, Chelsea will be able to break connections between De Bruyne and Man City's midfielders with attackers.

The final match will be decided by the first goal. If Man City score first, they can score more goals and close the match. If Chelsea score first, they will have chance to get the trophy, their second in history.

[joker_josue]

hahahahha you are a funny person and to be honest I'm a little confused by what you think, you say that Manchester City will beat Chelsea but you bet on a club that you really doubt to win  ,  I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win,  and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all

There are always surprises, and where you can win good money is when you have the rush to bet on the one who is least likely to win.
Of course, the likelihood of losing is very high. But if the person is willing to take that risk, there can be suppressions.
If everyone bets on what is most likely to win, the prize was not that big.

[Pulsar77]

Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me

It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar

If you think that Manchester City will win, then why are you betting on Chelsea?    I guess you won't bet a lot of money on them. Then even if your bet loses, it will not be too sad for you.

[Strongkored]

Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me

It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar

Even though Chelsea winning the English Cup does not make the chances in the Champions League become big, because this is a big tournament, but if Chelsea wins then those who bet on it will get a high enough return.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me

It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar

If you think that Manchester City will win, then why are you betting on Chelsea?    I guess you won't bet a lot of money on them. Then even if your bet loses, it will not be too sad for you.

Maybe he is a Chelsea fan. That's why he wants to bet for Chelsea. The match between Chelsea and Manchester City will be very competitive. On the other hand, Chelsea's performance is very unstable. They won against renowned teams like Real Madrid, Man City. Again they lost against small teams like Arsenal. So it is very risky to bet in the final of this Champions League.

[DU18]

hahahahha you are a funny person and to be honest I'm a little confused by what you think, you say that Manchester City will beat Chelsea but you bet on a club that you really doubt to win  ,  I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win,  and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all

There are always surprises, and where you can win good money is when you have the rush to bet on the one who is least likely to win.
Of course, the likelihood of losing is very high. But if the person is willing to take that risk, there can be suppressions.
If everyone bets on what is most likely to win, the prize was not that big.

what you say is true, because in the betting market usually people will put money on the big team win , but it is different with what is happening now between Manchester City and Chelsea, where both teams have the same chance (50:50) to win In the final match, in my opinion, this final champion league will be very difficult to determine who will be the champion and that is why I will bet if the match will end in a draw for the normal time (90 minutes).
I think the results of the match will be largely determined by the efforts of the two teams in the field and not the current statistics.

[Woodie]

Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me

Concern very valid!

Chelsea beats Realmadrid convincingly and also beat city in the premier league which looked like they were building some confidence but to fail to win the English Cup could dent their confidence, hope it doesn't demotivate them when the face city soon.

I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar

Make up your mind, who is winning mate....I think City will overpower Chelsea.

[tyz]

I'm from Portugal, and honestly I don't feel that there are so many Chelsea fans.

According to the map, there should be many Arsenal London fan in my country. I have a good insight in the football scene here and have not met a single Arsenal fan. Only many Liverpool fans after Klopp became coach. Now also more and more who have an eye on Chelsea because of Tuchel. No idea where the data for the map come from, but I think they can't be right.

[fullhdpixel]

^^I do not agree that Portugal would be better or worse for a certain team. First of all no matter how much people want to say City is a historical old team that has been around a lot, we have to accept the fact that City was never really this huge all around the world specially until the Y generation, maybe the Z generation may know them a lot better while growing up, which means all around the world we heard about Chelsea being at high level and champions league before we have seen City and that is why "worldwide" Chelsea could be known a bit more.

However that doesn't really change between Turkey and Portugal, I believe that could be at the same level. One thing we all know is the numbers, Portugal has lower population and also better covid situation whereas Turkey has a higher population and also worse covid situation so I am 100% sure that is the only reason.

[coinlocket$]

Group 2 for the next Champions will be stronger than Group 1.

Do you agree?

1.
City
Bayern
Inter
Lille
Atletico
Chelsea or Zenit if Chelsea will win the Cl
Villareal/United

2
Madrid
PSG
Barcellona
United if they lose the Europa Leauge
Siviglia
Chelsea if they lose the CL
Dortmund
Porto
Juve
Liverpool

Source: https://twitter.com/NonSoloJuve/status/1396572105186152456

[Luzin]

Group 2 for the next Champions will be stronger than Group 1.
Do you agree?

What is the basic for this clasification? is it based on the excellent team?
I do not know for sure about the classification of this club. Can you help me define it?
Or are there new rules according to UEFA? Some period I no longer read about it.

[blue Snow]

What is the basic for this clasification? is it based on the excellent team?
I do not know for sure about the classification of this club. Can you help me define it?
Or are there new rules according to UEFA? Some period I no longer read about it.

You have see on wikipedia. here the picture I got,



this is how they calculated. each team is grouped by rank on their country league



I think Chelsea might grouping on 4th rank.

[Jackl87]

Group 2 for the next Champions will be stronger than Group 1.

Do you agree?


Source: https://twitter.com/NonSoloJuve/status/1396572105186152456

I wouldn't say that group 2 is stronger because the two strongest teams of group 1 (ManCity and Bayern) are stronger than the strongest teams of Group 2 (PSG and Chelsea, Madrid or barcelona). That being said if you look at the remaining teams of each group then group 2 is stronger in that regard because dortmund, juve, liverpool are stronger than lille, villareal and Inter. I still don't understand though why lille would be in group 1. It's the weakest team of them all and didn't accomplish anything in the recent years is this ranking nowadays solely based on position of the clubs in their national leagues or have i missed something here?

[AakZaki]

Still waiting 6 days for the final. Has anyone turned to placing bets from the Chelsea team ?. Ha ha ha. Yes The last few games in the EPL left betting supporters as doubtful as possible. Defeat in the FA cup final, then Chelsea lost to Aston Villa and the injury suffered by Edouard Mendy.
It seems a little bad in the last match of Chelsea, Tuchel had to play Kepa, which he rarely played due to his lack of performance.

[hd49728]

Still waiting 6 days for the final. Has anyone turned to placing bets from the Chelsea team ?. Ha ha ha. Yes The last few games in the EPL left betting supporters as doubtful as possible. Defeat in the FA cup final, then Chelsea lost to Aston Villa and the injury suffered by Edouard Mendy.
It seems a little bad in the last match of Chelsea, Tuchel had to play Kepa, which he rarely played due to his lack of performance.

Chelsea is weaker than Manchester City, in Champions League and in Premier League. Everyone agree this, I guess but there are gamblers or fans will want to see Chelsea win against Manchester City.

I am not a fan of Chelsea or Manchester City but I think the chance will be 40 - 60 for Chelsea and Manchester City. In Champions League final, the stronger team won't be the winner and in soccer, you can not win on the table or by statistics.

Chelsea has bad preparation for the final but they will have their chances.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Still waiting 6 days for the final. Has anyone turned to placing bets from the Chelsea team ?. Ha ha ha. Yes The last few games in the EPL left betting supporters as doubtful as possible. Defeat in the FA cup final, then Chelsea lost to Aston Villa and the injury suffered by Edouard Mendy.
It seems a little bad in the last match of Chelsea, Tuchel had to play Kepa, which he rarely played due to his lack of performance.

Chelsea is weaker than Manchester City, in Champions League and in Premier League. Everyone agree this, I guess but there are gamblers or fans will want to see Chelsea win against Manchester City.

I am not a fan of Chelsea or Manchester City but I think the chance will be 40 - 60 for Chelsea and Manchester City. In Champions League final, the stronger team won't be the winner and in soccer, you can not win on the table or by statistics.

Chelsea has bad preparation for the final but they will have their chances.

I agree with you that Chelsea is weaker than Manchester City. But if you look at Chelsea's performance in the last few matches against Manchester City, you can see that the Chelsea team has done admirably against Manchester. Chelsea have won their last two matches against Manchester. So I don't think it's possible to statistically decide which team will win the final. Still, I'm betting on Manchester City, because I'm a Manchester City fan.

[Yogee]

I already see odds favoring Man City to win and that was as expected.

...
But if you look at Chelsea's performance in the last few matches against Manchester City, you can see that the Chelsea team has done admirably against Manchester. Chelsea have won their last two matches against Manchester. So I don't think it's possible to statistically decide which team will win the final.

I would go with the team's recent performance and injury if we're going to take statistics into account. Head to Head comparison doesn't mean much when the squad is different from the last time they played.