⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Oshosondy]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer.

Chelsea really surprised us this season but the club really worth the winning, when I knew it was Man City that qualified with Chelsea to play the final, I was very happy because I know Chelsea has won already, it was the first time for Man City to make it up to final, no club known to me that first made it up to final that won, Chelsea has the experience more than Man City even irrespective of the changed manager and some players.

Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

I do not know what you mean by 'last year with PSG and now the title with Chelsea, though PSG and Bayern Munich played the final last season but PSG was defeated by Bayern Munich by 1 goal to nothing, Bayern Munich won last year Champions League.

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[wildan88]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer.

Chelsea really surprised us this season but the club really worth the winning, when I knew it was Man City that qualified with Chelsea to play the final, I was very happy because I know Chelsea has won already, it was the first time for Man City to make it up to final, no club known to me that first made it up to final that won, Chelsea has the experience more than Man City even irrespective of the changed manager and some players.

Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

I do not know what you mean by 'last year with PSG and now the title with Chelsea, though PSG and Bayern Munich played the final last season but PSG was defeated by Bayern Munich by 1 goal to nothing, Bayern Munich won last year Champions League.

He probably means that Tuchel made it to the final with Paris Saint Germain last year, but did not win it. And this year with Chelsea the title. I think the performance is much better with Chelsea, although the route was considerably easier. However, it must be said that in the semi-final Real Madrid was completely outplayed at home and away. It is remarkable that Chelsea have done so well. Whether they can prolong the title, that will be a completely different story. Final with Paris Saint Germain is not a great achievement, if you look at what kind of players there are in that team.

[JeromeTash]

Chelsea and Villareal will be going to Pot 1 UCL in the next session together with; Atletico Madrid (1st rank LaLiga), Manchester City (1st rank Premier), Inter Milan ((1st rank Serie A), Bayern Munchen (1st rank Bundesliga), Lille (1st rank Ligue 1), dan Sporting Lisbon (1st rank Primeira)

Pot 2; Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Paris Saint Germain, Manchester United, Liverpool, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund.

Pot 3; Porto, Ajax, RB Leipzig, Atalanta, Beşiktaş, Dynamo Kyiv, Club Brugge, 4 winners playoff Champions Path 2 and winner playoff League Path

pot 4; AC Milan and VfL WOlfsburg

* I just seeing which hell pot - Pot 2 - the club which tight competition

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/

Nonetheless, they are in Pot 2 because the Pot 1 chaps overpowered them last season, didn't they?

I don't see any tight competition, Pot 2 teams are not going to play against each other, at least not in the group stages. Group draws have to be first made. I am not sure when this will take place

[AndySt]

He probably means that Tuchel made it to the final with Paris Saint Germain last year, but did not win it. And this year with Chelsea the title. I think the performance is much better with Chelsea, although the route was considerably easier. However, it must be said that in the semi-final Real Madrid was completely outplayed at home and away. It is remarkable that Chelsea have done so well. Whether they can prolong the title, that will be a completely different story. Final with Paris Saint Germain is not a great achievement, if you look at what kind of players there are in that team.

I am not at all sure that Tuchel will be able to repeat his achievement in the new Champions League draw, because Chelsea were the underdog in the last draw, and as you know, underdogs are much more likely to lose All this does not negate the operational coaching work Tuchel did at the London club and tactical changes, but still it does not mean that Chelsea will be the undisputed leader in the new season. By the way, another of the main reasons for winning was that Tuchel did not forget to wear the magic sneakers given by the president of PSG in this final, which he did not do last year and lost. And here we are talking about the tactics of coaches, about the skill of football players; D

[joker_josue]

I am not at all sure that Tuchel will be able to repeat his achievement in the new Champions League draw, because Chelsea were the underdog in the last draw, and as you know, underdogs are much more likely to lose All this does not negate the operational coaching work Tuchel did at the London club and tactical changes, but still it does not mean that Chelsea will be the undisputed leader in the new season. By the way, another of the main reasons for winning was that Tuchel did not forget to wear the magic sneakers given by the president of PSG in this final, which he did not do last year and lost. And here we are talking about the tactics of coaches, about the skill of football players; D

Not deserving the merit of the work done by Chelsea and their coach this season, we have to admit that Chelsea were an offsider to reach the final. Despite having good indications, his victory was not foreseen. So it's hard to have two years the same for Chelsea. It may even do a good job, but it will certainly be difficult to do it again next season.

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As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

The league was outside the UEFa so there was no violation.
The league has not born (yet) so they can't punish something it does not exist (yet).

Also, we have an official statement from Today.

The Swiss Court (where UEFA is) agrees with the Madrid Court, UEFA cannot punish clubs in the league.

If they will do so they will go against the law, again.



https://twitter.com/theMadridZone/status/1401682921405267968


The UEFA rules can't not overwrite the EUROPE's law.

[joker_josue]

The UEFA rules can't not overwrite the EUROPE's law.

No more! UEFA has to shape its way of acting. Many clubs are beginning to realize that UEFA is more of a competitor to them than a supporter.

[swogerino]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

[Iranus]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

[kassex]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

[joker_josue]

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

The idea of changing aims to surprise the opponent. This in itself is not bad. The problem is when the squad cannot understand this new idea.
Which is what happened. When they were already losing, they tried to return to the "old" scheme, but it was too late and Chelsea managed to completely annul the opponent.

[kassex]

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

The idea of changing aims to surprise the opponent. This in itself is not bad. The problem is when the squad cannot understand this new idea.
Which is what happened. When they were already losing, they tried to return to the "old" scheme, but it was too late and Chelsea managed to completely annul the opponent.

Yes, it is. But experiments should not be carried out in the final matches. In such matches, teamwork always plays a role. And new formations need to be worked out during the season in games with weak opponents. Until Guardiola abandons this approach in the finals, he will always be theirs lose.

[DU18]

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

The idea of changing aims to surprise the opponent. This in itself is not bad. The problem is when the squad cannot understand this new idea.
Which is what happened. When they were already losing, they tried to return to the "old" scheme, but it was too late and Chelsea managed to completely annul the opponent.

making changes to the game scheme is certainly an important thing in a match, this is at least done in some positions that are really very vulnerable, but in the final match some time ago it seemed that the game scheme of manchester city was not like when dealing with PSG in the semifinals and we can see how chelsea's players are superior both in defense and attack and make the game of manchester city not develop at all, in my opinion, pep guardiola made a very big gamble by applying a different game scheme than usual in the final, so it was clear that there were many mistakes or miss communication between players in the field.

[tyz]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

What I never understand about Guardiola's tactics is that he almost always plays with a very consistent tactic all the way to the quarter and semifinals and is extraordinarily successful with it. But then he suddenly starts changing these tactics again and again in important matches, although there is no real reason. He would certainly be more successful internationally if he followed his tactics to the letter and didn't keep trying something new. To me, the reason for the change of tactics is not really obvious, except that he is looking for the element of surprise.

[Juggy777]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

Yes but those 2 wins against Manchester City before the final no one took them seriously as Manchester City were already Champions of the Premier League and their full focus was on the Champions League.So many people including me believed that Manchester City would win in the final of the Champions League so we lost our bets.I don't think anyone can be rich with a single bet or a few bets.

I think if Guardiola had followed a new strategy, maybe Manchester City could have won the final. We all know the main strategy of the Chelsea team is counterattack. And they have scored counterattacks in almost all of the matches Chelsea have won against the big teams. And similarly in the final they scored from counterattack and became champions. Guardiola should have resorted to new tactics to resisted this counterattack.

He didn’t need new tactics, he had to put proven players and not change the team system they played most of the matches. Guardiola always comes up with something new in important matches and constantly loses. Until he changes that rule, he will not be able to win the Champions League.

What I never understand about Guardiola's tactics is that he almost always plays with a very consistent tactic all the way to the quarter and semifinals and is extraordinarily successful with it. But then he suddenly starts changing these tactics again and again in important matches, although there is no real reason. He would certainly be more successful internationally if he followed his tactics to the letter and didn't keep trying something new. To me, the reason for the change of tactics is not really obvious, except that he is looking for the element of surprise.

@tyz for all the great work he’s done as a coach this final shall always haunt him, because all he had to do was put up his regular playing 11, but for some weird reason he decided to experiment and it completely backfired. However I wouldn’t be surprised if he repeated this trick again, despite it failing in his first attempt but I hope he tries this for practise games only.

[cryptofrka]

It was not his first attempt. As @tyz already said, it happens more often than not. Last example before this was last year's CL quarterfinal loss against Lyon where he bizarrely went with a 343 formation, using Walker and Cancelo as wingbacks with Rodri and Gundogan in the middle.

Against Lyon it was way more defensive than his selections during the season, this year against Chelsea it was more offensive than usual.

He has to be considered as one of the greats and he's a hard man to criticize but both of these losses did come after a deviation from usual team setups during these specific seasons. He did the same thing with Bayern.

[kassex]

What I never understand about Guardiola's tactics is that he almost always plays with a very consistent tactic all the way to the quarter and semifinals and is extraordinarily successful with it. But then he suddenly starts changing these tactics again and again in important matches, although there is no real reason. He would certainly be more successful internationally if he followed his tactics to the letter and didn't keep trying something new. To me, the reason for the change of tactics is not really obvious, except that he is looking for the element of surprise.

He has too many good players at the moment, which is probably why he often changes his tactics and is always not very successful in the final matches. In Bayern Munich, he lost in important games for this very reason.Frequent changes in tactics interfere with the players. Against weak teams this does not manifest itself, but with strong teams it leads to sad results.

[joker_josue]

He has too many good players at the moment, which is probably why he often changes his tactics and is always not very successful in the final matches. In Bayern Munich, he lost in important games for this very reason.Frequent changes in tactics interfere with the players. Against weak teams this does not manifest itself, but with strong teams it leads to sad results.

He does this because he wants to show that he is capable of using a different tactic than he used at Barcelona. But these are cycles. As Mourinho increasingly finds it difficult to implement new tactics, he gradually starts having the same dilemma.

[sana54210]

It was not his first attempt. As @tyz already said, it happens more often than not. Last example before this was last year's CL quarterfinal loss against Lyon where he bizarrely went with a 343 formation, using Walker and Cancelo as wingbacks with Rodri and Gundogan in the middle.

Against Lyon it was way more defensive than his selections during the season, this year against Chelsea it was more offensive than usual.

He has to be considered as one of the greats and he's a hard man to criticize but both of these losses did come after a deviation from usual team setups during these specific seasons. He did the same thing with Bayern.

Normally changing tactics during the season is not a bad thing, it shows that a manager is ready to switch things up and find what is better against a certain team and win that way, it is actually shows quality in a manager. However when you change something and lose, that is when it means you are not doing it very well, in fact you are doing it wrong.

His idol Bielsa does something similar, he doesn't change his formation all that often (which he still does sometimes) but he changes tactics even if the formation is same, because he is known to study the opponent religiously and then make a new system depending on who they play, that way he moved to premier league and then finish the league above what others believed they could, all thanks to him getting ready for each game. Pep wants to do the same thing but he is not as good at changing as Bielsa so the results are usually lackluster.

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As told you, Juventus Real and Barca now will probably not excluded from the next Champions League.

Uefa suspended his judgment after the notice from 2 courts notify them with the "no penalties for ESL".

As I told you I think Agnelli and Perez set a trap and UEFA fall for it.