⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[MAAManda]

A team should not be very dependent on one player. No matter how great he is. But unfortunately, today a lot of top clubs are very dependent on one player. Barcelona - Messi, Bayern - Lewandowski, Liverpool - Van Dyck. Real Madrid was heavily dependent on Ronaldo. Coaches need to change this situation so as not to lose the final like Guardiola or Klopp at the right time.

Every Club Has Its Key Players, Why Don't We All Know?

Because they are rarely highlighted by the media, the media only focuses on top-class players such as Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski and others.

I think you will know Jamie Vardy, Jamie Vardy being a key player for the Leicester team. So Why Don't You Align Vardy With Other Key Players?

In essence, all clubs have their own key players, if these players do not play, it will affect team performance.

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A team should not be very dependent on one player. No matter how great he is. But unfortunately, today a lot of top clubs are very dependent on one player. Barcelona - Messi, Bayern - Lewandowski, Liverpool - Van Dyck. Real Madrid was heavily dependent on Ronaldo. Coaches need to change this situation so as not to lose the final like Guardiola or Klopp at the right time.

Football is a team game and it may be true that a team should not rely too much on one player to make a significant difference in club achievement. But the fact is, almost all team have mainstay players who are always prioritized by the coach even by his own peers during the game and that is a problem that many coach actually think about. The addiction don't all end badly. In certain situation, players may be able to help a lot but I still agree it shouldn't be done all the time.

In essence, all clubs have their own key players, if these players do not play, it will affect team performance.

That's why a coach doesn't always have to depend on players. This is a problem that must be resolved by a coach, but many coach feel comfortable using the services of key players because it can improve their reputation as a coach in terms of achievement.

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That's why a coach doesn't always have to depend on players. This is a problem that must be resolved by a coach, but many coach feel comfortable using the services of key players because it can improve their reputation as a coach in terms of achievement.

Coaches depend on good players. Football may be a team effort, but the better the players, the better the team, so the quality of the players matter a lot. Also in most top teams, they have a collection of good players and each one would be missed if they are absent. Liverpool for example missed Van Dijk for most of last season and it badly affected their performance, if Mo Salah was as absent, it would have equally affected their overall performance, same with other too clubs. The media may focus more on the contributions of attackers, but each quality player would be missed.

[coinlocket$]

Juventus Real and Barca are going to be banned from the next Champions League.
Juventus Real and Barca will go to the law court and they will suspend the ban.

After that, they will play the 2021-2022 Champions, like they banned Manchester City the last year and admitted it later.

[Pmalek]

Juventus Real and Barca are going to be banned from the next Champions League.

From several reports I have read in the past, a court in Madrid has ruled that UEFA shouldn't take any actions against the Super League, the players taking part in it, or the club officials interested in managing it. UEFA knows how many fans Real and Barca has all over the world and they know that Juventus is the most popular team in Italy. Restricting them from participating isn't in their best interest. But I have no doubt they'll get a huge fine.       

[Smartvirus]

After that, they will play the 2021-2022 Champions, like they banned Manchester City the last year and admitted it later.

I don't get it, what's the point in suspending Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and Juventus by Uefa from the UCL participation with the i tent that they would participation much later? It makes no sense. Should it be a fee that they want, the clubs could be fined even now. The Uefa's authority is finite in thre league but suspension of participation only to unban them later doesn't go any length in proving that. It only gives clubs the choice to choose the league for which they value the most during a season.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

As much as I would have loved to agree with you in all this, it's Pep's duty to think and test strategies that he hopes would work. You know, he has played Chelsea a few times this season and has made some deductions to come up with the strategy he used in the finals. On this note, it brings me to the question of what if the strategy had worked? We might have just as well applaud Pep and Manchester city but, Tuchel had other plans and he wasn't going to let Pep steal it away from him.

[joker_josue]

Juventus Real and Barca are going to be banned from the next Champions League.
Juventus Real and Barca will go to the law court and they will suspend the ban.

If UEFA did that, it would be the first to lose out. I was left without one of the clubs that generate more revenue in the competition.

Then, they gave the clubs reason to create such a Super League. This story the fans didn't like, it's bullshit. People will support your team in the competitions they participate. The problem was that they "sold" the idea to fans poorly. If they do it right, fans will support it anyway.

[acquafredda]

If Uefa will exclude Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus from the next Champions League the three teams will have serious reasons to go forward with creating a Super League.  The verdict is now near and if the indiscretion should be confirmed, it is good to underline that it would only be a first verdict and therefore not definitive: Juve, Real and Barça are ready, in case, to appeal to the European Court of Justice against what they believe to be a power suit by Uefa and FIFA. At that point, a devastating scenario would unfold for world soccer: if the judges were to agree with the clubs on the matter of free competition, then the Super League would have the road paved.

[Luzin]

Juventus Real and Barca are going to be banned from the next Champions League.
Juventus Real and Barca will go to the law court and they will suspend the ban.

After that, they will play the 2021-2022 Champions, like they banned Manchester City the last year and admitted it later.

I heard this news a few months ago. But I don't know if this is official or not. If it's official, of course I'm disappointed, I hope this is just news to make UEFA correct themselves. Real madrid being the originators of course they will be banned and get heavy punishment if this is true. I didn't hear that Madrid had withdrawn from the super league, I heard that Manchester United and Chelsea had withdrawn from the super league. It was a good move, they had thought ahead, because the super league was not recognized.

[joker_josue]

If Uefa will exclude Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus from the next Champions League the three teams will have serious reasons to go forward with creating a Super League.  The verdict is now near and if the indiscretion should be confirmed, it is good to underline that it would only be a first verdict and therefore not definitive: Juve, Real and Barça are ready, in case, to appeal to the European Court of Justice against what they believe to be a power suit by Uefa and FIFA. At that point, a devastating scenario would unfold for world soccer: if the judges were to agree with the clubs on the matter of free competition, then the Super League would have the road paved.

The point is that legally UEFA or FIFA cannot prohibit the creation of new competitions. And they cannot penalize teams just because they participate in other events organized by them. To do that was to be violating free competition law.

[Smartvirus]

The point is that legally UEFA or FIFA cannot prohibit the creation of new competitions. And they cannot penalize teams just because they participate in other events organized by them. To do that was to be violating free competition law.

This is what I feel the correcting should be. A free competition for all clubs. To choose the sports the competition that doesn't occur as a progression like the winner of Europa (Villarreal)and UCL (Chelsea) coming to play a fixture as the super cup. I can't really say how this things are done but then, taking out the competition is one very wrong way to go about tackling the super league thing. Perhaps, there should be some sort of progression to the later so, all that should have been done is to hind a way to incorporate the super league although, I guess the complications here has got everything to do with the UCL but still, it could be done.

[joker_josue]

This is what I feel the correcting should be. A free competition for all clubs. To choose the sports the competition that doesn't occur as a progression like the winner of Europa (Villarreal)and UCL (Chelsea) coming to play a fixture as the super cup. I can't really say how this things are done but then, taking out the competition is one very wrong way to go about tackling the super league thing. Perhaps, there should be some sort of progression to the later so, all that should have been done is to hind a way to incorporate the super league although, I guess the complications here has got everything to do with the UCL but still, it could be done.

But all this fuss about the SuperLiga is only because UEFA is afraid of losing the monopoly of the football market in Europe.

Take, for example, this "friendly" competition (Which is not organized by UEFA or FIFA.):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Champions_Cup

It works similarly to SuperLiga, clubs enter by invitation.
You're gonna say it's friendly. It's true it's considered a friendly tournament.

But the term friendly is very subjective, it will depend on the importance the clubs give it. If this friendly tournament has more money than any other official competition, which one do you think the clubs will try to win? It's the "friendly" tournament.

[mv1986]

This is what I feel the correcting should be. A free competition for all clubs. To choose the sports the competition that doesn't occur as a progression like the winner of Europa (Villarreal)and UCL (Chelsea) coming to play a fixture as the super cup. I can't really say how this things are done but then, taking out the competition is one very wrong way to go about tackling the super league thing. Perhaps, there should be some sort of progression to the later so, all that should have been done is to hind a way to incorporate the super league although, I guess the complications here has got everything to do with the UCL but still, it could be done.

But all this fuss about the SuperLiga is only because UEFA is afraid of losing the monopoly of the football market in Europe.

Take, for example, this "friendly" competition (Which is not organized by UEFA or FIFA.):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Champions_Cup

It works similarly to SuperLiga, clubs enter by invitation.
You're gonna say it's friendly. It's true it's considered a friendly tournament.

But the term friendly is very subjective, it will depend on the importance the clubs give it. If this friendly tournament has more money than any other official competition, which one do you think the clubs will try to win? It's the "friendly" tournament.

The problem is that the quality of soccer suffers hard with more competitions and more pressure on the player's physical condition.

If you look at the international competition, the nations league, frankly speaking I am not even watching it. I even forgot that Portugal won it. That is what happens when you have more competitions. The quality interest goes down. Let's see what the next, the so called conference league brings to the table. I am skeptical that many will watch it next year.

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From several reports I have read in the past, a court in Madrid has ruled that UEFA shouldn't take any actions against the Super League, the players taking part in it, or the club officials interested in managing it. UEFA knows how many fans Real and Barca has all over the world and they know that Juventus is the most popular team in Italy. Restricting them from participating isn't in their best interest. But I have no doubt they'll get a huge fine.      

And the fine will not be paid since Juve Real and Barca did nothing against the rule.
This is the point, they did nothing against the law.
The UEFA position is against the law, they are fallen into a trap.

[joker_josue]

The problem is that the quality of soccer suffers hard with more competitions and more pressure on the player's physical condition.

If you look at the international competition, the nations league, frankly speaking I am not even watching it. I even forgot that Portugal won it. That is what happens when you have more competitions. The quality interest goes down. Let's see what the next, the so called conference league brings to the table. I am skeptical that many will watch it next year.

You're right, the club will decide which competition to devote more energy to.

In addition, competitions at the beginning always have little visibility. People don't know and think they're not worth much.
To really start attracting more fans, you have to build credibility and get clubs to show how worthwhile it is to participate.

We are the ones who are used to tests that have been around for tens of years. Even though throughout history they have changed their name, they are the same competitions that clubs participate in for 40 or 50 years. This brings proof value and credibility with fans and sponsors.

Perhaps, for us a League of Nations (like the example given) is of little importance. But if it continues to exist and the organizer awarded more and better prizes, maybe 10-20 years from now it is already seen by fans as a credible and important proof for the teams.

If there were to be a SuperLiga (I believe there will be one way or another), for us it might not make sense or have value, but for future generations of fans it might. But for that, you have to start and go through these "pains" of birth.

[Shasha80]

From several reports I have read in the past, a court in Madrid has ruled that UEFA shouldn't take any actions against the Super League, the players taking part in it, or the club officials interested in managing it. UEFA knows how many fans Real and Barca has all over the world and they know that Juventus is the most popular team in Italy. Restricting them from participating isn't in their best interest. But I have no doubt they'll get a huge fine.      

And the fine will not be paid since Juve Real and Barca did nothing against the rule.
This is the point, they did nothing against the law.
The UEFA position is against the law, they are fallen into a trap.

Of course why would Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona have to pay a fine if they weren't wrong. After all, the planned Super League didn't work,
so no fouls happened here. Like UEFA wants to give shock therapy to Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona. But I believe this will only have
a short-term impact, there is still the possibility that ideas related to this Super League can appear again in the future.

[Pmalek]

And the fine will not be paid since Juve Real and Barca did nothing against the rule.

I really don't know. The public is certainly not aware of the agreements that UEFA has signed with the clubs. Maybe there is a clause in there somewhere that states that clubs aren't allowed to participate or make their players available for non-FIFA/UEFA duties. I hope there isn't, but we will have to wait and see. 

Of course why would Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona have to pay a fine if they weren't wrong. After all, the planned Super League didn't work,
so no fouls happened here.

Barcelona, Juventus, and Real haven't given up on the idea of a European Super League. The project isn't dead. Most clubs have declared their intentions to abandon it, but these 3 clubs keep it alive. That's what makes them different from the other founding clubs who got scared and are now asking the governing bodies for forgiveness. 

[mv1986]

The problem is that the quality of soccer suffers hard with more competitions and more pressure on the player's physical condition.

If you look at the international competition, the nations league, frankly speaking I am not even watching it. I even forgot that Portugal won it. That is what happens when you have more competitions. The quality interest goes down. Let's see what the next, the so called conference league brings to the table. I am skeptical that many will watch it next year.

You're right, the club will decide which competition to devote more energy to.

In addition, competitions at the beginning always have little visibility. People don't know and think they're not worth much.
To really start attracting more fans, you have to build credibility and get clubs to show how worthwhile it is to participate.

We are the ones who are used to tests that have been around for tens of years. Even though throughout history they have changed their name, they are the same competitions that clubs participate in for 40 or 50 years. This brings proof value and credibility with fans and sponsors.

Perhaps, for us a League of Nations (like the example given) is of little importance. But if it continues to exist and the organizer awarded more and better prizes, maybe 10-20 years from now it is already seen by fans as a credible and important proof for the teams.

If there were to be a SuperLiga (I believe there will be one way or another), for us it might not make sense or have value, but for future generations of fans it might. But for that, you have to start and go through these "pains" of birth.

The problem is also that you massively reduce exclusivity. You all remember how excited you were when there was a great champions league semi final or even final. We are thrilled watch it because it doesn't happen that often that Barcelona plays Manchester City in the semi finals.

Now what if we have the super league as well where all these great games happen twice anyway every year. Only hardcore fans will still get their popcorn out. I don't like the idea of a super league. Champions league is great and it should remain like that.

[joker_josue]

The problem is also that you massively reduce exclusivity. You all remember how excited you were when there was a great champions league semi final or even final. We are thrilled watch it because it doesn't happen that often that Barcelona plays Manchester City in the semi finals.

Now what if we have the super league as well where all these great games happen twice anyway every year. Only hardcore fans will still get their popcorn out. I don't like the idea of a super league. Champions league is great and it should remain like that.

This observation can serve to justify a Super League and at the same time to justify not existing.

In most championships in European countries, apart from English, you practically already know that you are going to win. In Spain: Real Madrid or Barcelona; Italy: Juventus; Germany: Bayern Munich; France: PSG; Portugal: Benfica or Porto. Of course, on occasion, other winners emerge. But these are the main bets for victory. Despite this fans don't get tired of supporting their teams or wanting to see them compete again and again.

I'm not saying that the Super League, as it was designed, is good. Now, I think a European League can emerge, which makes the competition more global and more competitive.
Not getting so much depends on domestic championships like the Champions League. Because although there are variations, usually the top 16, they are almost always the same.

In the background today we continue to see teams competing against each other, with or without the Super League. It's like less often? Yes it is... because they are eliminating each other. For example, this year we saw Chelsea eliminate Real Madrid. But Real Madrid don't play Man City. What would the result be? We will never know.

A league that involves more than all these big clubs, allowed us to see the performance of each of them all. Perhaps it would even be more realistic of who was really the best team.

Now, the way the SuperLiga idea was, I believe it's not the ideal. But I think the idea will evolve to a much better and broader level. Whether it will be UEFA doing this or an initiative by the clubs, we will see.

[jaberwock]

all this fuss about the SuperLiga is only because UEFA is afraid of losing the monopoly of the football market in Europe.

Take, for example, this "friendly" competition (Which is not organized by UEFA or FIFA.):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Champions_Cup

It works similarly to SuperLiga, clubs enter by invitation.
You're gonna say it's friendly. It's true it's considered a friendly tournament.

But the term friendly is very subjective, it will depend on the importance the clubs give it. If this friendly tournament has more money than any other official competition, which one do you think the clubs will try to win? It's the "friendly" tournament.

I believe it is about how much money could be made, not about how much money given. In an official tournament teams get money from wins and in friendlies they should not get money, if that is the case I would consider it a friendly. Teams do not play in champions league only because they are making a decent amount of money from the wins as well, fifa/uefa gives them money for the wins, and the more you win the more you earn, by the end when you become champions you earn a ton of money.

In a friendly tournament you should only make money from tickets and merch that gets sold, otherwise there is really nothing that should be giving them any sort of profit, if the tournament is giving you money for the wins then it is not a friendly but a real cup. That is the only difference, not how much teams care about it, because they can care but if they are not profiting too much then who cares.