⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Roidz]

And the fine will not be paid since Juve Real and Barca did nothing against the rule.

I really don't know. The public is certainly not aware of the agreements that UEFA has signed with the clubs. Maybe there is a clause in there somewhere that states that clubs aren't allowed to participate or make their players available for non-FIFA/UEFA duties. I hope there isn't, but we will have to wait and see. 

Of course why would Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona have to pay a fine if they weren't wrong. After all, the planned Super League didn't work,
so no fouls happened here.

Barcelona, Juventus, and Real haven't given up on the idea of a European Super League. The project isn't dead. Most clubs have declared their intentions to abandon it, but these 3 clubs keep it alive. That's what makes them different from the other founding clubs who got scared and are now asking the governing bodies for forgiveness. 

juventus, real madrid and barcelona have made fierce resistance in the face of current demands from UEFA and it seems that the commitment of the three clubs still wants to make football competition better by holding a european super league which is beyond the authority of uefa, of course all decisions will be made at this weekend because according to some news circulating if uefa will impose strict financial sanctions on all clubs that carry the idea of ​​the european super league competition but it's different what will happen to barcelona, ​​juventus and real madrid who currently still want to continue the European Super League so it is possible that all three clubs will be excluded from the Champions League competition this season.
if the three clubs are removed of course this will cause the champions league to be unattractive.

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[joker_josue]

In a friendly tournament you should only make money from tickets and merch that gets sold, otherwise there is really nothing that should be giving them any sort of profit, if the tournament is giving you money for the wins then it is not a friendly but a real cup. That is the only difference, not how much teams care about it, because they can care but if they are not profiting too much then who cares.

But do you think these teams travel long distances just to win nothing?
They may not win with the wins, but they do win by participating.

But that's how a tournament starts. First in a friendly category, and with fame starting to give more interesting prizes to attract better teams.

[coinlocket$]

I really don't know. The public is certainly not aware of the agreements that UEFA has signed with the clubs. Maybe there is a clause in there somewhere that states that clubs aren't allowed to participate or make their players available for non-FIFA/UEFA duties. I hope there isn't, but we will have to wait and see. 

Besides the fact the Superleague is not yet since it is a company with stock action and the 9 "leavers" has not sold their stock yet...
We have 2 previous similar events in the past here in Italy.

1- the Italian league and the Euroleague of basketball, did the same thing in the past, and in court, the EuroLeague won cause it was a clause against the monopolist position (like UEFA).
2- skating, similar thing, and the monopolistic league lost here too.

UEFA can win only if they can corrupt the Judgment otherwise they can't win.

UEFA threatened players saying "if you play in Superleague you will never play in Europe and in your national team again", this is an illegal thing.
UEFA threatened a rival company the "Superleague SRL" and this is against the law of free competition.

[mv1986]

The problem is also that you massively reduce exclusivity. You all remember how excited you were when there was a great champions league semi final or even final. We are thrilled watch it because it doesn't happen that often that Barcelona plays Manchester City in the semi finals.

Now what if we have the super league as well where all these great games happen twice anyway every year. Only hardcore fans will still get their popcorn out. I don't like the idea of a super league. Champions league is great and it should remain like that.

This observation can serve to justify a Super League and at the same time to justify not existing.

In most championships in European countries, apart from English, you practically already know that you are going to win. In Spain: Real Madrid or Barcelona; Italy: Juventus; Germany: Bayern Munich; France: PSG; Portugal: Benfica or Porto. Of course, on occasion, other winners emerge. But these are the main bets for victory. Despite this fans don't get tired of supporting their teams or wanting to see them compete again and again.

I'm not saying that the Super League, as it was designed, is good. Now, I think a European League can emerge, which makes the competition more global and more competitive.
Not getting so much depends on domestic championships like the Champions League. Because although there are variations, usually the top 16, they are almost always the same.

In the background today we continue to see teams competing against each other, with or without the Super League. It's like less often? Yes it is... because they are eliminating each other. For example, this year we saw Chelsea eliminate Real Madrid. But Real Madrid don't play Man City. What would the result be? We will never know.

A league that involves more than all these big clubs, allowed us to see the performance of each of them all. Perhaps it would even be more realistic of who was really the best team.

Now, the way the SuperLiga idea was, I believe it's not the ideal. But I think the idea will evolve to a much better and broader level. Whether it will be UEFA doing this or an initiative by the clubs, we will see.

Well, I like the idea of a European league. That would be a cool idea almost impossible to design in a way that national soccer could exist on a reasonable level all the way down to amateur leagues. The champions still creates this special feeling in fans, at least that counts for me. I am looking forward to Winter and Spring every single year because the big games are waiting. It is like I myself am going through a special phase of the season, which it is. If you have a Super League, then you have these games all year round. I am not sure if even the players could feel the thrill anymore. If Ronaldo plays against Atletico in the semi finals, there is a history behind it, a very special rivalry in a damn knockout match. That's what we want to see, but not on too many occasions. As I said before or elsewhere, the nations league in Europe, who the heck watches it? But would I want to miss a world championship or now the European championship? Certainly not, but I didn't watch a single game of the nations league (which, as I almost fully forgot, Portugal won back then, but who cares).

I know that from many of my friends as well. Real soccer freaks, but none of them knew the results from yesterday evening when one's own national team played.

[Pmalek]

...fifa/uefa gives them money for the wins, and the more you win the more you earn, by the end when you become champions you earn a ton of money.

The teams don't earn a ton money, that's one of their reasons for wanting a Super League that can guarantee them up to $400 million yearly. They can never get that from the way UEFA distributes the money. The clubs are the ones taking all the risks when signing expensive players, but they aren't happy with the reward structure.

When you think about it, it's ridiculous. In some cases, getting a promotion from the English Championship to the Premier League earns those clubs more money than what winning the Champions League brings to the winning club. That's because the money is evenly distributed among participants from the same countries. Did you know that Juventus earned the most money from their participation in the Champions League in seasons were Spanish or German clubs won the league? Why? Because Juventus was often the only Italian club to pass the group stages and take part in the knockout phase. So they didn't have to share the money pool with other Italian teams. In Spain, you had Real and Barca always going far.

Compare what the participants of the UCL earn to what clubs make in the MLB, NBA, NFL, etc., and you will realize why they aren't satisfied. It's all about the money.   

[Woodie]

...fifa/uefa gives them money for the wins, and the more you win the more you earn, by the end when you become champions you earn a ton of money.

The teams don't earn a ton money, that's one of their reasons for wanting a Super League that can guarantee them up to $400 million yearly. They can never get that from the way UEFA distributes the money. The clubs are the ones taking all the risks when signing expensive players, but they aren't happy with the reward structure.

When you think about it, it's ridiculous. In some cases, getting a promotion from the English Championship to the Premier League earns those clubs more money than what winning the Champions League brings to the winning club.

If this is true why don't teams in the premier league celebrate being relegated knowing there is a pot of gold that awaits should they win the championshiptrophy?

Let me do some research on this. Will get back to you

That's because the money is evenly distributed among participants from the same countries. Did you know that Juventus earned the most money from their participation in the Champions League in seasons were Spanish or German clubs won the league? Why? Because Juventus was often the only Italian club to pass the group stages and take part in the knockout phase. So they didn't have to share the money pool with other Italian teams. In Spain, you had Real and Barca always going far.

Compare what the participants of the UCL earn to what clubs make in the MLB, NBA, NFL, etc., and you will realize why they aren't satisfied. It's all about the money.   

From the juventus example you gave are you implying you are better off the only team standing after the group stage from one country to guarantee a lucrative prize.

[cryptofrka]

If this is true why don't teams in the premier league celebrate being relegated knowing there is a pot of gold that awaits should they win the championshiptrophy?

Because when they calculate the amount of money the team is getting they take into account future revenue. This does not mean that the club gets like 150 mil instantly for promotion from Championship to the PL.

Each season in PL is worth huge money due to fair (well, almost fair) TV money distribution and if you went back to the Championship, you'd lose that for a season (or more if you can't get promoted immediately).

Basically - PL TV rights money > CL TV rights money.

[tyz]

From several reports I have read in the past, a court in Madrid has ruled that UEFA shouldn't take any actions against the Super League, the players taking part in it, or the club officials interested in managing it. UEFA knows how many fans Real and Barca has all over the world and they know that Juventus is the most popular team in Italy. Restricting them from participating isn't in their best interest. But I have no doubt they'll get a huge fine.      

And the fine will not be paid since Juve Real and Barca did nothing against the rule.
This is the point, they did nothing against the law.
The UEFA position is against the law, they are fallen into a trap.

Of course why would Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona have to pay a fine if they weren't wrong.

As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

[kassex]

From several reports I have read in the past, a court in Madrid has ruled that UEFA shouldn't take any actions against the Super League, the players taking part in it, or the club officials interested in managing it. UEFA knows how many fans Real and Barca has all over the world and they know that Juventus is the most popular team in Italy. Restricting them from participating isn't in their best interest. But I have no doubt they'll get a huge fine.      

And the fine will not be paid since Juve Real and Barca did nothing against the rule.
This is the point, they did nothing against the law.
The UEFA position is against the law, they are fallen into a trap.

Of course why would Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona have to pay a fine if they weren't wrong.

As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

In this matter, football and its development are not the main issue. The struggle is for financial flows. UEFA understands that the creation of the Super League will lead to an outflow of funds to the side and therefore strongly oppose. But bans and sanctions will not achieve anything. It was necessary to talk with the clubs and find the best solution. for all. Prohibitions and sanctions can only accelerate the collapse. And if this year only 3 clubs go against UEFA, then in the future there will be more.

[Pmalek]

If this is true why don't teams in the premier league celebrate being relegated knowing there is a pot of gold that awaits should they win the championship trophy?

Because the pot of gold by staying in the Premier League is bigger than the one when you participate in the Championship for the reasons explained by cryptofrka. Less money from TV rights means a smaller budget for transfers and player salaries. If you don't have the money, you have to sell your star players who you can't afford to pay if relegated to a lower division. The players also don't want to play in the Championship if they can find a club in the PL and some have even clauses in their contracts that allows them to leave in case of a relegation. 

From the juventus example you gave are you implying you are better off the only team standing after the group stage from one country to guarantee a lucrative prize.

From a financial point of view, yes. If Juventus is the only Italian club that reaches the knockout phases and lets say they reach the 1/4 finals, they'll earn more money than Spanish clubs Real, Barca and Atl. Madrid if all of them progressed to the knockout stages. Even if one of them reaches the finals and wins the competition, Juventus would have earned more.

As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

That's the thing that's on my mind as well. If there is such a clause in the signed contracts, the clubs would be in trouble. But then again, the legal teams of these clubs should know whether or not their clients are right or not. I see no reason to pursue the Super League if they are breaking the law and the contracts signed with UEFA and FIFA.

[alegotardo]

As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

That's the thing that's on my mind as well. If there is such a clause in the signed contracts, the clubs would be in trouble. But then again, the legal teams of these clubs should know whether or not their clients are right or not. I see no reason to pursue the Super League if they are breaking the law and the contracts signed with UEFA and FIFA.

Ok, but they didn't even create the SL, it failed in a few days.
I don't want to defend them, as I also think what they did was wrong, but I believe that this was all a "ridiculous plan" planned by foolish people.
I think UEFA is causing a lot of drama... is such severe punishment for something that didn't even occur is really necessary?

[mv1986]

As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

That's the thing that's on my mind as well. If there is such a clause in the signed contracts, the clubs would be in trouble. But then again, the legal teams of these clubs should know whether or not their clients are right or not. I see no reason to pursue the Super League if they are breaking the law and the contracts signed with UEFA and FIFA.

Ok, but they didn't even create the SL, it failed in a few days.
I don't want to defend them, as I also think what they did was wrong, but I believe that this was all a "ridiculous plan" planned by foolish people.
I think UEFA is causing a lot of drama... is such severe punishment for something that didn't even occur is really necessary?

Then I don't fully understand the issue of the UEFA. They threatened Barcelona, Madrid and Juve to punish them if they stick to their plans. Is it just about the plans or were they thinking about founding a Super League with three teams?

[joker_josue]

As I understand the whole situation, the clubs that want to create the SuperLeague have violated UEFA's statutes, as long as they are members of the UEFA, they are not allowed to participate in any international competitions that are not approved by UEFA. This is stipulated by contract and since all these clubs belong to UEFA, they have also signed the contracts. Therefore, I can at least understand UEFA's point of view.

That's the thing that's on my mind as well. If there is such a clause in the signed contracts, the clubs would be in trouble. But then again, the legal teams of these clubs should know whether or not their clients are right or not. I see no reason to pursue the Super League if they are breaking the law and the contracts signed with UEFA and FIFA.

Ok, but they didn't even create the SL, it failed in a few days.
I don't want to defend them, as I also think what they did was wrong, but I believe that this was all a "ridiculous plan" planned by foolish people.
I think UEFA is causing a lot of drama... is such severe punishment for something that didn't even occur is really necessary?

In reality, UEFA has no exclusive contract with clubs. Also because the registrations for the tests are made annually, according to the result of the national championships (except for the winner). As much as UEFA can do is not accept a club's application for competitions it organizes.

But that idea of banning players from playing for their countries is that they can't do it anymore! Each country has the right to choose any player, for its selection, even if it is an amateur club.


EDIT:
For example, football at the Olympic Games is not a competition organized by FIFA. Therefore, there is no jurisdiction over this competition, and any country can participate. The only difference is that clubs are not required to authorize their players to play in this competition.

[fullhdpixel]

If this is true why don't teams in the premier league celebrate being relegated knowing there is a pot of gold that awaits should they win the championship trophy?

Because the pot of gold by staying in the Premier League is bigger than the one when you participate in the Championship for the reasons explained by cryptofrka. Less money from TV rights means a smaller budget for transfers and player salaries. If you don't have the money, you have to sell your star players who you can't afford to pay if relegated to a lower division. The players also don't want to play in the Championship if they can find a club in the PL and some have even clauses in their contracts that allows them to leave in case of a relegation. 

I believe championship is a better situation for teams that are not making the good amount of profit they need from being in premier league, I have seen a few clubs who prefer to be not in premier league because even though it pays a ton, it also requires a huge commitment and spending as well, even a bench player in premier league gets paid way too much, in championship the star players still get a ton of money but the bench players are nowhere near the premier league levels, there are starters in championship that gets paid as much as the guy in premier league who didn't play a single game.

Aside from that the fact is correct, you do earn more but you spend more so it makes sense in that case, why would I want to be in championship if I am going to not know if I will promote or not while also not earning remotely close, when I can be in premier league and earn way more without any worry, all I have to do is not relegate.

[Pmalek]

Ok, but they didn't even create the SL, it failed in a few days.

The project stopped after only a few days, yes. But the clubs did create the league. They signed contracts to participate in it and they even signed a clause that the league could penalize them if they stepped out. That's what the 9 clubs did. They stepped out after being pressured by UEFA while Barcelona, Juventus, and Real still remain dedicated to making the league a reality. 

For example, football at the Olympic Games is not a competition organized by FIFA.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Who is the governing body at the Olympic Games, the National Olympic Committee or someone else? 

[Igebotz]

For example, football at the Olympic Games is not a competition organized by FIFA.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Who is the governing body at the Olympic Games, the National Olympic Committee or someone else? 

International Olympic Committee and  International Football Association Board are the governing bodies of Olympic football matches, a branch under FIFA, any sports called football is been given and regulated by FIFA don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

[joker_josue]

For example, football at the Olympic Games is not a competition organized by FIFA.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Who is the governing body at the Olympic Games, the National Olympic Committee or someone else? 

It is the International Olympic Committee, which organizes the Olympic Games, and is responsible for the competitive formats of all modalities that are played in the Olympic Games, including Football. There is actually an agreement with FIFA to help organize the event. That's why there are restrictions on the football competition, because FIFA is afraid that the Olympic Games will overshadow the Football World Cup. It is true that the olympic committee does not want football to be the "star" of the olympic games either and therefore accepts the restrictions.

It's shameful to see how FIFA and UEFA want the monopoly linked to football and nobody can try to do it differently. These organizations should only be the regulators of football competitions. But they are also the organizers of the competitions, which creates a real conflict of interest if someone wants to create a new competition.

International Olympic Committee and  International Football Association Board are the governing bodies of Olympic football matches, a branch under FIFA, any sports called football is been given and regulated by FIFA don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

Yes it is regulated by FIFA, but not organised.

[gadado]

If you looked at the possibilities and chances for Chelsea to become champions, you would have been rich by now. Still, you kind of saw this coming. In the semi-final against Real Madrid they were 2x much better and they should have won 2x big. And I read that they had already won 3 of the last 4 head-to-head matches against Man City. Chelsea is better than many people think. Of course it also has to do with the trainer. Last year CL final with PSG and now the title with Chelsea.

[Igebotz]

International Olympic Committee and  International Football Association Board are the governing bodies of Olympic football matches, a branch under FIFA, any sports called football is been given and regulated by FIFA don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

Yes it is regulated by FIFA, but not organised.

Yeah but doesn't change anything, FiFA owns the players, the ball, the jersey and the officials and the rules even 40% of the income goes to FiFA

[blue Snow]

Chelsea and Villareal will be going to Pot 1 UCL in the next session together with; Atletico Madrid (1st rank LaLiga), Manchester City (1st rank Premier), Inter Milan ((1st rank Serie A), Bayern Munchen (1st rank Bundesliga), Lille (1st rank Ligue 1), dan Sporting Lisbon (1st rank Primeira)

Pot 2; Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Paris Saint Germain, Manchester United, Liverpool, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund.

Pot 3; Porto, Ajax, RB Leipzig, Atalanta, Beşiktaş, Dynamo Kyiv, Club Brugge, 4 winners playoff Champions Path 2 and winner playoff League Path

pot 4; AC Milan and VfL WOlfsburg

* I just seeing which hell pot - Pot 2 - the club which tight competition

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