⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[leea-1334]

One player i felt for with this win was Eden Hazard. His having so much of a trying time at Real Madrid.  He practically left Chelsea for Real Madrid due to this purpose. To be in a UCL team or should I say to win the UCL trophy with them but the reverse happened. It was Chelsea who engaged and knocked out Real Madrid and now, they are champions of the UCL. His so unlucky for this and it would be very much be wrong of him should he think of coming back o Chelsea. As funny as it sounds, Chelsea would not be able to defend this trophy next season, just as Bayern Munich wasn't able to defend there's this season.
This set of Chelsea players are the luckiest. Still in there prime and they've got there UCL title. Up blues mehnnnn...

Whenever I think about it,,, I feel for these players. Who can blame any player for wanting to get more out of his career? But at the same time, when you see all these Chelsea players lift it for the first time, just like Liverpool players lifting it for the first time as well,,, you feel that they were rewarded for their patience and loyalty.

Coutinho similar story in that sense, left Liverpool for Barca to win big, ended up getting knocked out (but won it finally as a loanee).

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[mrongoz22]

Talked about it during the semi finals itself about how Chelsea are the least expected team to win the champions league but are however the dark horse just like the last time they where in the Semis and surprised us all. They did it again. Their midfield and defense absolutely won them yet another Champions League.

true as you say bro, Chelsea the scapegoats finally came out as champions ,, the same thing happened again, when they surprisingly beat Barcelona, ​​Chelsea were not the favorites as champions, but this is the reality, with the passion they have . , Cante became a hero in the midfield, who finally was able to bury Manchester City's dreams, and dashed Pepguardiola's hopes of lifting the championship trophy.

[joker_josue]

I think what also helps Chelsea is the fact that the press and the bookmaker, they practically say that Man City already had a guaranteed victory.
This certainly motivated the Chelsea team, to fight more in order to show how they were wrong. And they proved that the favorite does not always win.

[slaman29]

Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

I don't know guys. They say Pep keeps experimenting and changing and he shouldn't, should just be more straightforward, but I think he has won many times and in the past even local trebles, so obviously, it can work. Plus this was another English club so he must have tried to stop them from the past 2 losses' experience. Just didn't work out this time:)

[W Jr.]

I think what also helps Chelsea is the fact that the press and the bookmaker, they practically say that Man City already had a guaranteed victory.
This certainly motivated the Chelsea team, to fight more in order to show how they were wrong. And they proved that the favorite does not always win.

It was a championship that proved that they were wrong because they did not give Chelsea a championship chance. The thing that Chelsea had a bit more luck was that they gave less championship chances than Manchester City. They played with less stress than Manchester City. As a result, Chelsea is the biggest team in Europe today. Congratulations again.

[kassex]

Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

You are absolutely right. I have said many times before that as long as Pep is experimenting in great matches, he will never win the Champions League. But unfortunately, Pep will not calm down. For my main reason, he has a lot of strong and diverse players. If their number is reduced, then Pep will have to play a certain lineup and experiment less. Then he will finally win the Champions League with Manchester City.

[Renampun]

maybe this is the reason why Man City failed to win from Chelsea...

That Spanish coach prefers Ilkay Guendogan as a defensive midfielder compared to Rodri or Fernandinho who was suspended. In fact, Guendogan is the top scorer in the Guardiola team this season with 17 goals in all competitions. Guardiola's decision made Man City's play in midfield seem unbalanced.

btw, I heard the UCL 2021/2022 draw will come out today, I'm curious about my favorite team Chelsea will be in the hell group or not

[Raflesia]

I think many are guessing the win for Man City. Actually I also championed Man City but I didn't bet earlier. I read that there are many discussions here that champion Man City. Congratulations to Chelsea you broke a boring final, the games before that could not describe the final. Tuchel was really effective, with just one goal, small ball possession, and tight in defense. All of that frustrates Man City. Mendy and Kante are also doing great he remains my idol during matches. Kante ran the whole match, I thought he was like a horse, his strength was incredible.

Kante is now a very popular player with a very strong midfielder position even in being able to keep an eye on his opponent from moving at all.He is now much loved because of his simplicity that touches people's hearts and Tuchel is very proud to have a player like Kante.

Mancity's frustration broke after the final whistle sounded many mancity players crying because they could not reach the top of the UCL which had to be given up to Chelsea again their struggle for the first time when CL was knocked out by Chelsea with one goal this is very painful to imagine.

[hd49728]

That Spanish coach prefers Ilkay Guendogan as a defensive midfielder compared to Rodri or Fernandinho who was suspended. In fact, Guendogan is the top scorer in the Guardiola team this season with 17 goals in all competitions. Guardiola's decision made Man City's play in midfield seem unbalanced.

Ilkay Gundogan can be a big surprise from Pep and if Manchester City had won the final, every people would have talked about Pep and that decision. People would have called him as a genius.

The best time Gundogan played successfully as a central midfielder is in Dortmund many years ago in the season with Gotze, Reus, Lewandowski. However, Pep already lost two other matches against Chelsea and Tuchel so if Gundogan was not chosen, it does not mean Manchester City will win the final, LOL. People criticized Pep too much.

[Furious 7]

It doesn't matter not to win the EPL this season, but with UCL champions, of course everything is cured because we know the most prestigious title is UCL which hopes for all European teams.

Yes, but next season will be a difficult season for Chelsea, become a club as defending champion at UCL, maybe it will be a little bit hard for players, Tuchel may also be required to give more trophies by the Chelsea board. If they fail at the EPL, and also fail at the UCL, I think he only has half the season to managed Chelsea next season or another chance till half of season 2022-2023. Because, if Chelsea thinks it is impossible for tuchel to give another trophy, the decision to dismissal will be taken immediately, they are not looking for a loyal coach, but a coach who gives a trophy.

That means Chelsea dares to pay expensive for the coach as long as he gives him the trophy, this is indeed very difficult. I know how great any other coach is if they don't recognize the situation and atmosphere with the Chelsea squad then this will be very difficult, but if Chelsea is loyal to accept the coach who defends Tuchel then it will much better with the first title given to Chelsea this could be motivation next season but we know there will be ups and downs in this and no one knows in next season how Chelsea will judge Tuchel if he fails to bring the trophy but not bad in the standings.

[snipie]

That Spanish coach prefers Ilkay Guendogan as a defensive midfielder compared to Rodri or Fernandinho who was suspended. In fact, Guendogan is the top scorer in the Guardiola team this season with 17 goals in all competitions. Guardiola's decision made Man City's play in midfield seem unbalanced.

Ilkay Gundogan can be a big surprise from Pep and if Manchester City had won the final, every people would have talked about Pep and that decision. People would have called him as a genius.

The previous defeat vs Chelsea affected Guardiola's decisions so much and his judgement imo. He tried to play differently and confuse Tuchel but City's players were the one that got confused the most.

The best time Gundogan played successfully as a central midfielder is in Dortmund many years ago in the season with Gotze, Reus, Lewandowski. However, Pep already lost two other matches against Chelsea and Tuchel so if Gundogan was not chosen, it does not mean Manchester City will win the final, LOL. People criticized Pep too much.

I agree that people are criticising much Guardiola. Imagine Tuchel losing that game, he will be treated the same way or worst.

[joker_josue]

The previous defeat vs Chelsea affected Guardiola's decisions so much and his judgement imo. He tried to play differently and confuse Tuchel but City's players were the one that got confused the most.

Doing this is never a good idea, especially in the last game of the season. Players do not have time to gain confidence in the new game model. Really, that attempt was not a good tactical option. Then he tried to get it back to its normal model, but it was too late.

[gabbie2010]

Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

Pep Guardiola always failed to defeat Thomas Tuchel what ever competition not only on primer league, bundesliga until champion league always never have any way how to defeat with Thomas Tuchel team, I think most applause how midfielder from Chelsea manage by Kante give more contribution, not only for defensive but also Kante become key for Chelsea when attacking.

If the team loses people will blame the strategy used or if the team wins people will praise him this is normal right? Pep has experienced in various competitions, of course he knows what to do, to be sure we are not better than him. For me personally Chelsea is playing better and lucky so they deserve that title.

With Manchester City's achievements and performance while Guardiola was coach, it was indeed extraordinary, so it is not wise for
Manchester City's failure to blame Guardiola. Chelsea managed to beat Man City in the final was a little lucky, and not because of
Guardiola's bad strategy. If we look at the match statistics of the two teams are almost the same, this proves that both teams do have
the same chance of winning. But Chelsea players are a little better off taking the opportunity to become a goal.

Yes indeed that is characteristic of Chelsea when playing, they rely on counterattacks through the speed of the players they did the same thing to Barcelona a few years ago and won. I'm not sure Pep forgot about that he must have prepared something for it just that we didn't see  in the last match. I think there is something that has not been issued by Pep.

When a club has young experience pacy players such a  club will always counterattack, the likes of Mount, Kante, Havertz, Jouginho and Werner has speed they can move the ball quickly and pass. the final pass mount gave Havertz was a speedy splitting pass of which Man City defenders couldn't cover up because of the swiftness of the pass this resulted to the lone goal, anyway Pep is be blamed for not fielding a defensive midfielder to cover up his defenders.

[Juggy777]

Guardiola's strategy in the final may be questioned a lot because it looks different from before until reaching the final.

City would not win the UCL unless Pep stops thinking too much in the most important games of the competition, like the final yesterday, there was absolutely no reason not to stick with the team set-up that they have been using right from the group stage, I don't think I've watched a City match this season were they started without a defensive midfielder, but Pep chose to do so in the final, it's unacceptable to be honest, and Pep can take quite a lot of blame for city's failures last night.

Pep Guardiola always failed to defeat Thomas Tuchel what ever competition not only on primer league, bundesliga until champion league always never have any way how to defeat with Thomas Tuchel team, I think most applause how midfielder from Chelsea manage by Kante give more contribution, not only for defensive but also Kante become key for Chelsea when attacking.

If the team loses people will blame the strategy used or if the team wins people will praise him this is normal right? Pep has experienced in various competitions, of course he knows what to do, to be sure we are not better than him. For me personally Chelsea is playing better and lucky so they deserve that title.

With Manchester City's achievements and performance while Guardiola was coach, it was indeed extraordinary, so it is not wise for
Manchester City's failure to blame Guardiola. Chelsea managed to beat Man City in the final was a little lucky, and not because of
Guardiola's bad strategy. If we look at the match statistics of the two teams are almost the same, this proves that both teams do have
the same chance of winning. But Chelsea players are a little better off taking the opportunity to become a goal.

Yes indeed that is characteristic of Chelsea when playing, they rely on counterattacks through the speed of the players they did the same thing to Barcelona a few years ago and won. I'm not sure Pep forgot about that he must have prepared something for it just that we didn't see  in the last match. I think there is something that has not been issued by Pep.

When a club has young experience pacy players such a  club will always counterattack, the likes of Mount, Kante, Havertz, Jouginho and Werner has speed they can move the ball quickly and pass. the final pass mount gave Havertz was a speedy splitting pass of which Man City defenders couldn't cover up because of the swiftness of the pass this resulted to the lone goal, anyway Pep is be blamed for not fielding a defensive midfielder to cover up his defenders.

I see here the opinion is divided saying people would have praised Peo had he won with his strategy, but it’s a flawed argument because no coach in their right mind would experiment in the finals.

Furthermore I feel that Pep dominance in premier league will come under serious threat if Tuchel continues to beat him, but after suffering 3 quick defeats at the hands of Tuchel do you’ll expect that Pep will beat Tuchel in the new season?.

[Iranus]

Yes indeed that is characteristic of Chelsea when playing, they rely on counterattacks through the speed of the players they did the same thing to Barcelona a few years ago and won. I'm not sure Pep forgot about that he must have prepared something for it just that we didn't see  in the last match. I think there is something that has not been issued by Pep.

When a club has young experience pacy players such a  club will always counterattack, the likes of Mount, Kante, Havertz, Jouginho and Werner has speed they can move the ball quickly and pass. the final pass mount gave Havertz was a speedy splitting pass of which Man City defenders couldn't cover up because of the swiftness of the pass this resulted to the lone goal, anyway Pep is be blamed for not fielding a defensive midfielder to cover up his defenders.

We were all aware of Chelsea playing attacking football and they counterattack a lot. Pep Guardiola knew Tuchel's strategy. Pep should have adopted adequate tactics to counterattack. But Guardiola could not resist Chelsea's counterattack and Manchester City lost in the Champions League final. Pep's responsibility, of course

[ILuckyGuyI]

Yes indeed that is characteristic of Chelsea when playing, they rely on counterattacks through the speed of the players they did the same thing to Barcelona a few years ago and won. I'm not sure Pep forgot about that he must have prepared something for it just that we didn't see  in the last match. I think there is something that has not been issued by Pep.

When a club has young experience pacy players such a  club will always counterattack, the likes of Mount, Kante, Havertz, Jouginho and Werner has speed they can move the ball quickly and pass. the final pass mount gave Havertz was a speedy splitting pass of which Man City defenders couldn't cover up because of the swiftness of the pass this resulted to the lone goal, anyway Pep is be blamed for not fielding a defensive midfielder to cover up his defenders.

We were all aware of Chelsea playing attacking football and they counterattack a lot. Pep Guardiola knew Tuchel's strategy. Pep should have adopted adequate tactics to counterattack. But Guardiola could not resist Chelsea's counterattack and Manchester City lost in the Champions League final. Pep's responsibility, of course

It was of course Pep Guardiola's responsibility. Like you said, he already knew Tuchel's game plan. He should have created a much different tactic which would help them weaken Chelsea's defense. But it wasn't the case for them unfortunately. Chelsea got a totally deserved title.

[hahay]

Yes indeed that is characteristic of Chelsea when playing, they rely on counterattacks through the speed of the players they did the same thing to Barcelona a few years ago and won. I'm not sure Pep forgot about that he must have prepared something for it just that we didn't see  in the last match. I think there is something that has not been issued by Pep.

When a club has young experience pacy players such a  club will always counterattack, the likes of Mount, Kante, Havertz, Jouginho and Werner has speed they can move the ball quickly and pass. the final pass mount gave Havertz was a speedy splitting pass of which Man City defenders couldn't cover up because of the swiftness of the pass this resulted to the lone goal, anyway Pep is be blamed for not fielding a defensive midfielder to cover up his defenders.

We were all aware of Chelsea playing attacking football and they counterattack a lot. Pep Guardiola knew Tuchel's strategy. Pep should have adopted adequate tactics to counterattack. But Guardiola could not resist Chelsea's counterattack and Manchester City lost in the Champions League final. Pep's responsibility, of course

It was of course Pep Guardiola's responsibility. Like you said, he already knew Tuchel's game plan. He should have created a much different tactic which would help them weaken Chelsea's defense. But it wasn't the case for them unfortunately. Chelsea got a totally deserved title.

Also, City seemed to be unable to do anything anymore when De Bruyne got injured. If Pep is aware of the Chelsea tactics that Tuchel applies on the counter-attack strategy, then at least Pep does not need to continue to put pressure on Chelsea's defense area because of course it will be a blunder. Unfortunately, there was nothing else that could be done at that time because losing the main player would certainly make the strategy that might be made to equalize the score a mess.

[Altryist]

Also, City seemed to be unable to do anything anymore when De Bruyne got injured. If Pep is aware of the Chelsea tactics that Tuchel applies on the counter-attack strategy, then at least Pep does not need to continue to put pressure on Chelsea's defense area because of course it will be a blunder. Unfortunately, there was nothing else that could be done at that time because losing the main player would certainly make the strategy that might be made to equalize the score a mess.

both teams played well and both deserved to win the Champions League and Chelsea just had better luck that day. Tuchel is great, this is a very great achievement, both for him and for the whole team. I, like most, expected Man City to win, and I really wanted Guardiola to lead City to victory.

[kassex]

Also, City seemed to be unable to do anything anymore when De Bruyne got injured. If Pep is aware of the Chelsea tactics that Tuchel applies on the counter-attack strategy, then at least Pep does not need to continue to put pressure on Chelsea's defense area because of course it will be a blunder. Unfortunately, there was nothing else that could be done at that time because losing the main player would certainly make the strategy that might be made to equalize the score a mess.

A team should not be very dependent on one player. No matter how great he is. But unfortunately, today a lot of top clubs are very dependent on one player. Barcelona - Messi, Bayern - Lewandowski, Liverpool - Van Dyck. Real Madrid was heavily dependent on Ronaldo. Coaches need to change this situation so as not to lose the final like Guardiola or Klopp at the right time.

[alegotardo]

A team should not be very dependent on one player. No matter how great he is. But unfortunately, today a lot of top clubs are very dependent on one player. Barcelona - Messi, Bayern - Lewandowski, Liverpool - Van Dyck. Real Madrid was heavily dependent on Ronaldo. Coaches need to change this situation so as not to lose the final like Guardiola or Klopp at the right time.

I think this is a difficult issue to change in football.

All teams naturally have a "technical leader" and, in one way or another, his departure will always impact the team as a whole, either because he's a tactical player needed to complete the plays or because of the emotional shock he causes in other players.

I see this very naturally, but each coach must prepare his team for these eventualities.