[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[stan258]

Thanks Barbara and Guy.  I F***** up a purchase with Bitpay due to lack of sleep.  Cleared it up in a few days even with the holiday.  Happy New Years. 

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[notlist3d]

^This is really making a big issue over pulling an extra 50GH out of a unit - a value of less than $18. voiding warranty or buying a second $20 fan and spending the time to install it is not worth it.

At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.

I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W

Sorry @knlondike but you misunderstood me.

You calculate with a fix price of the machine.

Calculate cost and profit.

I'm not speeking about the only 50ghs but when the weather gets warmer this will be 100ghs (from 1680 ghs) or more.

At 20 pieces it's 2000ghs....

And i have room much more than 20....

I hope you unerstand why i'm trying to find some solution.....

curious what you pay for power. I understand the aspect of clocking hardware to its limit if its profitable, but if you need to make >$10 in modifications to gain 50GH/60W per unit, plus have slightly more PSUs/TH it could be more practical to buy an extra SP20 for that extra 1.65TH/$500. If its a hobby to do modifications though thats another story

Ok I'll give up...  

For me it's not hobby... It was a hobby with a Jupiter and some S1-s.

Maybe would be practical to buy one more unit for sure. But I have a lot of high cfm fans and other parts laying around....

But at this point I give up. You don't know a lot of details so you can't make a judgement what am i do and why. But trust me, I have the reasons.

So back to the original question.

Any ideas to improve the cooling?  

Very strange, was a profitable hobby when the Jupiter and S1 were profitable, now the sp series are not.  So now is unprofitable hobby/business

Really all of this should go in another topic. But...

I don't agree saying SP gear is not profitable. They have so many different miners, there is no one size fits all on calculations.   I have ROI'ed almost every miner I have had.   You need cheap electricity, run as long as you can.  With SP20 you have a heck of a under clock theses will be running for quite a while.  At end sell to someone with "free" or even cheaper electricity.  If you keep PSU's you can go to another generation without some of the upfront costs.  

[ElGabo]

^This is really making a big issue over pulling an extra 50GH out of a unit - a value of less than $18. voiding warranty or buying a second $20 fan and spending the time to install it is not worth it.

At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.

I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W

Sorry @knlondike but you misunderstood me.

You calculate with a fix price of the machine.

Calculate cost and profit.

I'm not speeking about the only 50ghs but when the weather gets warmer this will be 100ghs (from 1680 ghs) or more.

At 20 pieces it's 2000ghs....

And i have room much more than 20....

I hope you unerstand why i'm trying to find some solution.....

curious what you pay for power. I understand the aspect of clocking hardware to its limit if its profitable, but if you need to make >$10 in modifications to gain 50GH/60W per unit, plus have slightly more PSUs/TH it could be more practical to buy an extra SP20 for that extra 1.65TH/$500. If its a hobby to do modifications though thats another story

Ok I'll give up...  

For me it's not hobby... It was a hobby with a Jupiter and some S1-s.

Maybe would be practical to buy one more unit for sure. But I have a lot of high cfm fans and other parts laying around....

But at this point I give up. You don't know a lot of details so you can't make a judgement what am i do and why. But trust me, I have the reasons.

So back to the original question.

Any ideas to improve the cooling?  

Very strange, was a profitable hobby when the Jupiter and S1 were profitable, now the sp series are not.  So now is unprofitable hobby/business

Really all of this should go in another topic. But...

I don't agree saying SP gear is not profitable. They have so many different miners, there is no one size fits all on calculations.   I have ROI'ed almost every miner I have had.   You need cheap electricity, run as long as you can.  With SP20 you have a heck of a under clock theses will be running for quite a while.  At end sell to someone with "free" or even cheaper electricity.  If you keep PSU's you can go to another generation without some of the upfront costs.  

Sp gear is profitable, I didn't said it's not.

The others well said by Notlist3d.

[dimaforwork]

My SP20 went non-responding yesterday after I added a couple of pools. The web admin GUI never came back after submitting the change, and I could not ssh into the device. It responded to pings, but that was it.

I power cycled the unit and attempted further edits to the pool list. It seemed to work for a little while, then the SP20 hung again.

Operating on a guess that maybe I had specified too many pools, I rebooted again so that I could remove some. Once I saw pings responding, I quickly fired up the web admin GUI and stopped the miner. This allowed me to get back to the pool list and remove a few. Since doing that, the SP20 has run reliably again.

Is there a known problem with too many pools? I had 9 pools specified at the time that the machine went non-responding. I know that's a stupid large number of pools, but I've just been moving disused pools to the bottom of the list with the thinking that if I needed them again, I could just change the order.

If the miner craps out after too many pools are defined, then the UI should probably limit the number that you can specify.

Note that this was with the v2.5.52 firmware.

I have experienced similar behavior from some of my SP20s. Only for me, it was if I made a number of additions or changes on the pool page. So for example, if I added a pool and then did a lot of shuffling of the order or added a bunch of pools at once, the system would sometimes hang. My way around it was to enter a pool, hit submit, navigate to the status page, go back to the pool page and make the next adjustment. I noticed that I could safely make two or three changes to pool order before I experienced a problem. Once I started operating like that, I didn't experience the problem again. Firmware has been upgraded a few times since then and I have not tried it under the latest releases.

Is it possible to get a list of pools you are using. From my several tests, I couldn't reproduce the problem trying pretty big numbers
Except memory consumption that is required for each pool, there is no limit right now in SW

[Duce]

SP Tech, so what is new in FW 2.5.61 other than the changes with the setup features that were introduced in a previous version? I have been running the current version for the last six hours and it seems to be working better than 2.5.58 or 2.5.59 which I see were taken off. As it is rather painless to upgrade, and these are my first SP units, I have been pushing the upgrades as they came in. The 2.5.58 did cause the miner to cycle cgminer on its own, something 2.5.59 did not do I am happy to say. I will continue to run with 2.5.61 and report back if there are an anomalies.

I am happy to report that FW 2.5.61 has been running perfect for two days now and is very consistent between the units. Another happy customer.

[stan258]

Update firmware on 4 sp20s remotely only 2 rebooted successfully.  Had to take a trip over and power cycled the others.

[jjiimm_64]

Update firmware on 4 sp20s remotely only 2 rebooted successfully.  Had to take a trip over and power cycled the others.

so I may be out of the loop.... is there something wrong with the firmware that comes with? 

[DevonMiner]

Update firmware on 4 sp20s remotely only 2 rebooted successfully.  Had to take a trip over and power cycled the others.

Out of four, I had to hard reboot one ... why don't the SP20s ship with the latest firmware?

[stan258]

No problem just after updating sometimes my units require a hard power cycle. I am a distance away from my miners so I just won't do it remotely from now on.

[samsonn25]

^This is really making a big issue over pulling an extra 50GH out of a unit - a value of less than $18. voiding warranty or buying a second $20 fan and spending the time to install it is not worth it.

At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.

I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W

Sorry @knlondike but you misunderstood me.

You calculate with a fix price of the machine.

Calculate cost and profit.

I'm not speeking about the only 50ghs but when the weather gets warmer this will be 100ghs (from 1680 ghs) or more.

At 20 pieces it's 2000ghs....

And i have room much more than 20....

I hope you unerstand why i'm trying to find some solution.....

curious what you pay for power. I understand the aspect of clocking hardware to its limit if its profitable, but if you need to make >$10 in modifications to gain 50GH/60W per unit, plus have slightly more PSUs/TH it could be more practical to buy an extra SP20 for that extra 1.65TH/$500. If its a hobby to do modifications though thats another story

Ok I'll give up...  

For me it's not hobby... It was a hobby with a Jupiter and some S1-s.

Maybe would be practical to buy one more unit for sure. But I have a lot of high cfm fans and other parts laying around....

But at this point I give up. You don't know a lot of details so you can't make a judgement what am i do and why. But trust me, I have the reasons.

So back to the original question.

Any ideas to improve the cooling?  

Very strange, was a profitable hobby when the Jupiter and S1 were profitable, now the sp series are not.  So now is unprofitable hobby/business

Really all of this should go in another topic. But...

I don't agree saying SP gear is not profitable. They have so many different miners, there is no one size fits all on calculations.   I have ROI'ed almost every miner I have had.   You need cheap electricity, run as long as you can.  With SP20 you have a heck of a under clock theses will be running for quite a while.  At end sell to someone with "free" or even cheaper electricity.  If you keep PSU's you can go to another generation without some of the upfront costs.  

Sp gear is profitable, I didn't said it's not.

The others well said by Notlist3d.

Cheap electricity is the key, the reality is that most people pay higher than .10 usd kw/hr

And the last 3 difficulty adjustments have been much below average, look for next diff jump around 10% or more as hashrate pushes 320-340 ph

[klondike_bar]

Cheap electricity is the key, the reality is that most people pay higher than .10 usd kw/hr

And the last 3 difficulty adjustments have been much below average, look for next diff jump around 10% or more as hashrate pushes 320-340 ph

+1 & +1. however, a 10% network growth would probably knock most remaining 1w-1.2w/GH miners off the network except in areas with cheap power (and those guys usually liquidate while they can). And there is a LOT of hardware in that efficiency range, likely 50PH of gear will leave the network in the time that it takes to add 100PH of new hardware

[samsonn25]

I would like to know what the dark number is, those miners using free (students at school or home, employees at work, play) or subsidized electricity-those with low or no cost that pass the buck to another entity-like tax payers (foreign governments, companies, corporations) .  That would be interesting,

[klondike_bar]

I would like to know what the dark number is, those miners using free (students at school or home, employees at work, play) or subsidized electricity-those with low or no cost that pass the buck to another entity-like tax payers (foreign governments, companies, corporations) .  That would be interesting,

nothing compared to the 1MW+ installations that are being deployed worldwide. likely less that 25% of small-scale miners have free power I imagine. Even then, it may be limited to only a few kW of capacity

[mdude77]

Please note that my Miner Monitor app should now work with all Spondoolie hardware.  Based on some helpful conversations with Spondoolie techs and other feedback, I have strong reason to believe this will work for SP20, SP30, SP31, and SP35 units, and it may work with SP10 units.

Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app.  I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf.  How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below.  If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this.  I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31.  If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596178.0

I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal.  In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.

M

[opentoe]

^This is really making a big issue over pulling an extra 50GH out of a unit - a value of less than $18. voiding warranty or buying a second $20 fan and spending the time to install it is not worth it.

At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.

I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W

Sorry @knlondike but you misunderstood me.

You calculate with a fix price of the machine.

Calculate cost and profit.

I'm not speeking about the only 50ghs but when the weather gets warmer this will be 100ghs (from 1680 ghs) or more.

At 20 pieces it's 2000ghs....

And i have room much more than 20....

I hope you unerstand why i'm trying to find some solution.....

curious what you pay for power. I understand the aspect of clocking hardware to its limit if its profitable, but if you need to make >$10 in modifications to gain 50GH/60W per unit, plus have slightly more PSUs/TH it could be more practical to buy an extra SP20 for that extra 1.65TH/$500. If its a hobby to do modifications though thats another story

Ok I'll give up...  

For me it's not hobby... It was a hobby with a Jupiter and some S1-s.

Maybe would be practical to buy one more unit for sure. But I have a lot of high cfm fans and other parts laying around....

But at this point I give up. You don't know a lot of details so you can't make a judgement what am i do and why. But trust me, I have the reasons.

So back to the original question.

Any ideas to improve the cooling?  

Very strange, was a profitable hobby when the Jupiter and S1 were profitable, now the sp series are not.  So now is unprofitable hobby/business

Really all of this should go in another topic. But...

I don't agree saying SP gear is not profitable. They have so many different miners, there is no one size fits all on calculations.   I have ROI'ed almost every miner I have had.   You need cheap electricity, run as long as you can.  With SP20 you have a heck of a under clock theses will be running for quite a while.  At end sell to someone with "free" or even cheaper electricity.  If you keep PSU's you can go to another generation without some of the upfront costs.  

Sp gear is profitable, I didn't said it's not.

The others well said by Notlist3d.

If you want to wait that long. Manufacture's never came out with many different models at once, so your hear would be running for 2 years sometimes, and still not profitable yet. Now users are just buying whatever model(s) they can and have no idea what's going to give them a positive return. Just because a new model comes out, doesn't mean you have to go out and buy it. 2-3 years just to break even is a long time. I myself could never wait that long or run all these machines in my house for that long.

[Guy Corem]

Please note that my Miner Monitor app should now work with all Spondoolie hardware.  Based on some helpful conversations with Spondoolie techs and other feedback, I have strong reason to believe this will work for SP20, SP30, SP31, and SP35 units, and it may work with SP10 units.

Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app.  I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf.  How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below.  If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this.  I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31.  If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596178.0

I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal.  In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.

M

Thank you for enhancing your app to monitor our miners.
Have you thought about using Mono / Xamarin to port it to other platforms?

[mdude77]

Please note that my Miner Monitor app should now work with all Spondoolie hardware.  Based on some helpful conversations with Spondoolie techs and other feedback, I have strong reason to believe this will work for SP20, SP30, SP31, and SP35 units, and it may work with SP10 units.

Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app.  I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf.  How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below.  If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this.  I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31.  If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596178.0

I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal.  In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.

M

Thank you for enhancing your app to monitor our miners.
Have you thought about using Mono / Xamarin to port it to other platforms?

I've considered other options, but that's it so far.

M

[727miner]

No problem just after updating sometimes my units require a hard power cycle. I am a distance away from my miners so I just won't do it remotely from now on.

I had the same issue with one of my 5 SP20s. I ended up having to drive 40 miles to the colo and power cycle it last night. I think it might have an issue as it will not hash over about 1570Ghs and it took a couple of power cycles to get it to come back up (the yellow light kept flashing on the front). Should I have support look at the logs on it?

[stan258]

No problem just after updating sometimes my units require a hard power cycle. I am a distance away from my miners so I just won't do it remotely from now on.

I had the same issue with one of my 5 SP20s. I ended up having to drive 40 miles to the colo and power cycle it last night. I think it might have an issue as it will not hash over about 1570Ghs and it took a couple of power cycles to get it to come back up (the yellow light kept flashing on the front). Should I have support look at the logs on it?

The one I got from the first batch thinking I would be cool won't go past 1512, 1535 if I push the voltage. I have direct cooling into the racks at 22c the units says 24 to 25c intake. The other SP20'S push 1600 plus in the same rack. Everything checks out ok on the lemon. It may have been banged up from shipping or just slower Asics compared to what's shipping now. Sucks as it cost a **** load.  And this one needed a hard power cycle a few times when I dabbled with pool settings.

40 miles sucks. At least gas is cheaper these days.  I'm about 30 mins no traffic.

For the led check if you have the led flash option in the gui.   

[mdude77]

When I upgraded my SP20 to .59, I clicked upgrade then stepped away.  Because it auto refreshes every so often, when I returned, it was telling me an upgrade was available.  I did that a few times before I realized what was happening and hung around long to see what happened when it was done.  When I saw the "please reboot" message, I clicked reboot, and then the unit went AWOL.  It would no longer respond to anything.  I had to power cycle it as well.

Also, this morning I was trying to update my pool settings.  Try as I might, it would not "take".  I entered my changes, clicked submit, waited, waited, and waited some more.  It eventually stopped clocking, but the settings at the bottom didn't update.  I did that a few times before I gave up and power cycled it.  After that my changes worked.

<shrug>

M