🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈

[South Park]

Brady’s reign of terror historical career is finally over, without a doubt as long as football is played he is going to be a point of reference for the sport, he is that important, however now I wonder will the HOF really make him wait for 5 years to get inducted? They need to make an exception and get him on the hall immediately.

Reign of terror lol.  For everyone except the nfc east! Lol.  Go figure crappies division by a long shot.  He beat so many good teams and lost multiple times to the giants and the eagles.  In all honesty I don't know if we will see someone so dominant in that position again in lifetime.  With rules favoring offense and protecting the qb it might be easier but his grip on the position and competitiveness were/are amazing.  Glad to see him go though lol.

Personally I find it amusing, the guy was as dominant as he could be and yet he lost against Peyton Manning little brother and the Eagles Backup QB at the SB.

That was something that I was wondering myself, if we’ll ever see another Brady. If there is anyone who could match his ridiculous career obviously that’s going to be Patrick Mahomes. Not sure if he can reach 7 super bowl wins though. Brady had more Super Bowls than any franchise, that’s just crazy lol

It is going to be almost impossible that we will see someone as accomplished as Brady, even Mahomes with all his ability and his performances at the playoffs is already two SBs behind Brady, and if Mahomes wants to challenge Brady as the best he will have to overcome the argument that in direct confrontations Brady is 3-2 against him with two of those victories at the playoffs.

I think that in the future some will try to give Brady the Bill Russell treatment, they will claim he was one of the greats and he is the most accomplished player ever but not the best, however this is going to be difficult to sell as Brady did what he did with the free agency, the salary cap and a bunch of 5’10 nameless receivers.

[ChiBitCTy]

Nevertheless, I'm pretty excited for Superbowl LVI: Cincinnati Bengals vs. Los Angeles Rams. Doesn't that sound great? Even though probably nobody expected this matchup to happen.

It will be an interesting SB no matter how we look at it, both teams have completely different philosophies, the Rams are a win now team, they have mortgaged their future so they could win a SB by trading their first round picks for veteran players which they need to pay now, while the Bengals are a young team with potential to be a contender for years, so lets see which philosophy wins out at the end.

I just saw his tweet, I guess that's all she wrote.  What an amazing, historic career, I'm glad I was around to witness it.

Brady’s reign of terror historical career is finally over, without a doubt as long as football is played he is going to be a point of reference for the sport, he is that important, however now I wonder will the HOF really make him wait for 5 years to get inducted? They need to make an exception and get him on the hall immediately.

Reign of terror lol.  For everyone except the nfc east! Lol.  Go figure crappies division by a long shot.  He beat so many good teams and lost multiple times to the giants and the eagles.  In all honesty I don't know if we will see someone so dominant in that position again in lifetime.  With rules favoring offense and protecting the qb it might be easier but his grip on the position and competitiveness were/are amazing.  Glad to see him go though lol.

That was something that I was wondering myself, if we’ll ever see another Brady. If there is anyone who could match his ridiculous career obviously that’s going to be Patrick Mahomes. Not sure if he can reach 7 super bowl wins though. Brady had more Super Bowls than any franchise, that’s just crazy lol

Yeah I mean records are meant to be broken so I guess we will.  Seems we are going to run into a qb heavy decade with some good young qbs.  The problem is team consistency and health which gets a lot of players especially in football.  The good thing they have going for them is in 5 years there will only be a 3 inch window that you can actually hit the qbs in.  Maybe they will be wearing the red jerseys on GameDay and we get an average of 500 yards a game passing lol.

That's the one thing that makes me feel a little less sad about the retiring of Brady, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers etc.  The new age guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Watson ( despite being a scumbag ), Herbert, Allen and even guys like Tua and Hurts ( and god willing Fields ) are all very exciting and those first five guys I listed off all have future HOF type talent.  so the game is being left in good hands, no question about that. 

lol and yeah the QB's are getting closer and closer to be untouchable, literally  .  Hey I don't mind it, I love seeing games with 6-700 plus yards in the air combined.  Defense just isn't as fun to see!

[Hueristic]

Personally I find it amusing, the guy was as dominant as he could be and yet he lost against Peyton Manning little brother and the Eagles Backup QB at the SB.

To be fair Foles never got the recognition he deserves and was fuked since the day he was drafted due to it being Ryan of the goddamn jets.

When Foles played for the Eagles he tied Peytons record 7 touchdowns in one game in 3 quarters the week after manning did it and was pulled in the 4th so he didn't break it!

Peyton was coddled bye the nfl his entire career due to his daddy's fame.

Foles was a natural talent that never got into a decent organization.

[suchmoon]

lol and yeah the QB's are getting closer and closer to be untouchable, literally

Let's make it like this:



... for QB's only, and when their flags are pulled they're "dead" - can't play until the end of the game. That should spice things up.

[Hueristic]

That's the one thing that makes me feel a little less sad about the retiring of Brady, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers etc.  The new age guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Watson ( despite being a scumbag ), Herbert, Allen and even guys like Tua and Hurts ( and god willing Fields ) are all very exciting and those first five guys I listed off all have future HOF type talent.  so the game is being left in good hands, no question about that.  

lol and yeah the QB's are getting closer and closer to be untouchable, literally  .  Hey I don't mind it, I love seeing games with 6-700 plus yards in the air combined.  Defense just isn't as fun to see!

It's true that there seems to be a ton more talent out there these days but I'm not sure its not because the defense is not allowed to touch the QB.

Added: I guess thats why they are now calling running qb's the nfl cheat code.

Great example is Saints QB Taysom Hill who can't throw a pass to save his life but still manages to win games.

[suchmoon]

I liked "Football Team" better. "Commanders" being losers will be cringy.

[bbc.reporter]

@suchmoon. Agreed. Washington Natives might be a better team name hehehe. They keep the team’s identity and also avoid to be offensive.

In any case, I liked the team name when they were calling themselves the Redskins. However, is that term redskin really offensive, almost similar to calling African American people a n? Would the Cleveland Indians also need to change their team name?

[suchmoon]

@suchmoon. Agreed. Washington Natives might be a better team name hehehe. They keep the team’s identity and also avoid to be offensive.

In any case, I liked the team name when they were calling themselves the Redskins. However, is that term redskin really offensive, almost similar to calling African American people a n?

Not for me to judge what's offensive to someone else, but I always found the Native American themed team names weird to the point of cringy among other teams named after animals or abstract concepts. Never sure if the idea was to imply that "Indian" is a type of animal or a made up thing.

Keeping with the animal theme, Kansas City Cocks should be the next NFL name change.

Would the Cleveland Indians also need to change their team name?

https://www.mlb.com/news/cleveland-indians-change-name-to-guardians

[rdbase]

I liked "Football Team" better. "Commanders" being losers will be cringy.

As soon as I seen that name I automatically yelled..
"Cobbbrrrraaaaalalalallalaaa!"
Who came up with this name for a team?
As we all know... There can only be one... commander in a squadron.

[South Park]

It's true that there seems to be a ton more talent out there these days but I'm not sure its not because the defense is not allowed to touch the QB.

Added: I guess thats why they are now calling running qb's the nfl cheat code.

Great example is Saints QB Taysom Hill who can't throw a pass to save his life but still manages to win games.

It is simple evolution, now that the QB cannot be hit that hard and even legal hits can be from time to time become penalties then a new QB which exploits those new rules had to appear, this is why this why despite the impressive movements that we see them do I have never been as impressed as I am with Tarkenton and Staubach which moved like that in an era in which the defense was allowed to hit the QB really hard.

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I liked "Football Team" better. "Commanders" being losers will be cringy.

It requires real talent to find a more generic name than 'Football Team', but they succeeded.

[Hueristic]

It is simple evolution, now that the QB cannot be hit that hard and even legal hits can be from time to time become penalties then a new QB which exploits those new rules had to appear, this is why this why despite the impressive movements that we see them do I have never been as impressed as I am with Tarkenton and Staubach which moved like that in an era in which the defense was allowed to hit the QB really hard.

Yeah, the days of watching a guy limp around on 2 multi surgery knees is a thing of the past!

Watching QBs like those and Grogan and Namath when I was a kid hobbling around is what I remember were real men that were battling with everything they had.

I swear I could not believe the hits play after play grogan got up from!

That poor guy never had a second let alone the weekend passes these guys get today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZN6GO0I2h8

[OgNasty]

I saw a chart yesterday on Twitter (can't find it now) showing different quarterbacks and their playoff wins.  I'd never seen such an amazing example of how dominant Brady was throughout his career.  The only guys that seemingly came close to him were John Elway and Joe Montana.  Even they were only about 1/2 as impressive as Brady.  It's like when you see certain stats of Jordan and he's so far ahead of everyone else, it sort of clicks why he's considered the GOAT.

Not sure who I want for the Super Bowl this year.  I haven't really followed either team so I'm pretty ignorant, but the Rams were making a whole lot of mistakes in their last game, which leads me to lean towards the Bengals.  Might have to do some research so I can get some skin in the game and give me a reason other than commercials to sit though the Super Bowl this year...

[Hueristic]

Not sure who I want for the Super Bowl this year.  I haven't really followed either team so I'm pretty ignorant, but the Rams were making a whole lot of mistakes in their last game, which leads me to lean towards the Bengals.  Might have to do some research so I can get some skin in the game and give me a reason other than commercials to sit though the Super Bowl this year...

Bengals have really won me over this year.

I think losing W00ds was a huge hit for the Rams and it will show in the big game.

Chase, Higgins and Boyd are a solid WR corp.

My money is on whichever D steps up to the plate.

[bbc.reporter]

@suchmoon. Agreed. Washington Natives might be a better team name hehehe. They keep the team’s identity and also avoid to be offensive.

In any case, I liked the team name when they were calling themselves the Redskins. However, is that term redskin really offensive, almost similar to calling African American people a n?

Not for me to judge what's offensive to someone else, but I always found the Native American themed team names weird to the point of cringy among other teams named after animals or abstract concepts. Never sure if the idea was to imply that "Indian" is a type of animal or a made up thing.

Keeping with the animal theme, Kansas City Cocks should be the next NFL name change.

Would the Cleveland Indians also need to change their team name?

https://www.mlb.com/news/cleveland-indians-change-name-to-guardians

Another baseball team that might change their team name is the Atlanta Braves if they are forcing teams to remove the native American theme. There are some generic words of objects in the native American culture that are considered racist. It appears using the word wigwam is racist for many people. Martin Scorsese removed the word in The Wolf of Wall Street movie to call one character’s hairstyle. Wigwam’s usage was funny in the book.

The skeptical me thinks that there are some people who want to manipulate language to manipulate our thoughts. Has anyone read 1984?

In any case, we are offtopic. What are your NFL superbowl predictions? I saw an article about halftime propbets hehehehe. I am shaking my head.

https://www.covers.com/nfl/super-bowl/props/halftime-bets

[DireWolfM14]

@suchmoon. Agreed. Washington Natives might be a better team name hehehe. They keep the team’s identity and also avoid to be offensive.

In any case, I liked the team name when they were calling themselves the Redskins. However, is that term redskin really offensive, almost similar to calling African American people a n?

Not for me to judge what's offensive to someone else, but I always found the Native American themed team names weird to the point of cringy among other teams named after animals or abstract concepts. Never sure if the idea was to imply that "Indian" is a type of animal or a made up thing.

That's an interesting perspective, not one that I had thought of.  Growing up I always thought that teams named themselves after something big and badass, or historically relevant to the region they represent.  I thought of team names with Native American themes as a reflection of that.  Which is probably why I never thought of "Redskins" as any more offensive than "Warriors" or "Trojans."  Although I will say that efforts to change the name never surprised me, because the word was used derogatorily in the past.

Keeping with the animal theme, Kansas City Cocks should be the next NFL name change.

That's one I really don't get.  I can see why some would find "Redskins" offensive base on the historic use of the word, but "Chiefs?"  I can't think of how the word "chief" can be associated with negative connotations, regardless of the theme behind the choice.  In my opinion "Chiefs" is a name that harkens to the history of the region where they're based, much like the 49ers.

I suspect that some will attempt to pressure KC to change their name, but it seems to stem from a belief that all Native American themed team names are bad.  I disagree, but like you said; it's not my place to decide what others find offensive.  

[Hueristic]

I've spoken to quite a few American Indians on this subject and ALL of them think its a stupid subject and couldn't care less and don't think any of those names are insulting.

They actually think that people arguing about it are idiots and should be arguing about important issues.

[suchmoon]

That's one I really don't get.  I can see why some would find "Redskins" offensive base on the historic use of the word, but "Chiefs?"  I can't think of how the word "chief" can be associated with negative connotations, regardless of the theme behind the choice.  In my opinion "Chiefs" is a name that harkens to the history of the region where they're based, much like the 49ers.

I think it's more about the caricature-like symbols that accompany the name, rather than the name itself. Feather headdress, tomahawk chop, etc. If the teams were able to rebrand themselves and refocus their fans away from those stereotypes, I think the would be far less debate about the names. There are definitely ways to spin the PR machine to make those names sound as "tribute" or something like that.

[bbc.reporter]

@suchmoon. However, are those team names not similar to a tribute? Why would a team call themselves Redskins, Chiefs, Indians or Braves? I am quite certain no one had a meeting and agreed to adopt those team names to be racist. This woke culture might be created to make everyone confused and cause everyone to make opinions that escape logical perception.

Also, on football news, what does everyone speculate Tom Brady might do?



Could Tom Brady come out of retirement? When he was asked that question on his podcast, he gave something other than an emphatic “no.”

Asked by Jim Gray on his SiriusXM podcast about the possibility of coming out of retirement, Brady said he doesn’t anticipate it happening, but he can’t guarantee he won’t change his mind.

“You know, I’m just gonna take things as they come,” Brady said.

Brady saying he doesn’t know how he’ll feel in six months, when NFL teams are in training camp, is reminiscent of what Brett Favre said in an April 2008 interview with David Letterman, shortly after Favre announced his retirement. Favre left the door open just a crack to returning at that point, but at the start of training camp he did in fact return, and the Packers — having decided that Aaron Rodgers was their quarterback of the future — traded him to the Jets. Favre ended up playing a total of three more seasons, one with the Jets and two with the Vikings.

Source https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-m-not-looking-021250107.html

[Hueristic]

I personally think Brady does not want to keep his off season regime up and knows he will not be as competitive if he plays next year without it.

He's a pretty honest guy IMO.

[South Park]

I personally think Brady does not want to keep his off season regime up and knows he will not be as competitive if he plays next year without it.

He's a pretty honest guy IMO.

Brady’s work ethic was his secret weapon, while a cannon arm or mobility are more easily appreciated, as it is something we can easily see, the laser focus Brady had for football is what made him the best, so if he is not all-in as he was during his career then I think it is fine that he has chosen retirement, after all even if he could not get to go at the top like Elway by winning two SBs in a row he was still really good, and even if there was some decline on his play he was still top 5 or even a top 3 QB, which for a 44 year old is simply insane.