Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

I think that having oil & gas pipelines with the RF is not really a problem. This should have brought RF and EU's interest close together and Adolf Putin could have chosen to be a civilised nation with a positive influence in the world. I guess a former KGB mediocre bureaucrat cannot avoid being what he is.

Unfortunately it becomes a gateway drug to complete dependence on Russian (or Saudi, or some other totalitarian shithole) energy resources. Yes, a pipeline could be built while keeping viable backup options but ten years later a different party gets elected and says "why do we need to spend billions maintaining LNG terminals when we have this cheap gas flowing through the pipeline" or "why do we need the nuclear plants or solar or geothermal or anything really except cheap natural gas power plants" etc etc.

Oh the pipelines already exist. And it is not just Nord Stream and Nord Stream II, which are fully operational, it is the infrastructure that runs inside the RF linking the massive Siberian fields with central Europe.

When the RF speaks about replacing the demand from Europe with demand from Indian and China they often forget to mention that all the infrastructure has been created to supply cheaply to Europe and all other alternatives would be either very expensive or would require huge investments.


(*) I do not agree with the comment stating that Russian speakers are equivalent to Putin supporters

All this cuts both ways. The RF may threaten the EU with cutting supplies, but the EU would look for alternatives (would suffer economically for sure) but for the RF is much worse: They may loose their best client and all the infrastructure is built with that client in mind.

If the EU can make the Oil sanctions fully effective, the RF may be unable to pay for the aggression.

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[1miau]

The Kremlin Trolls from our local section (German) are now launching their offensive to humiliate Ukrainians and cheer Russian propaganda: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60450776#msg60450776

Feel free to come over and call them out!

~Unknown01
~MinoRaiola
~s0nix
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

NATO-Asow-Hakenkreuz eng vereint!

Poly#Crypto is a proven Kremlin Troll

[suchmoon]

What does this mean? It means that Russia is totally justified in her actions.

Nonsense. It's like breaking into your neighbor's house because he voted for democrats. Although I'm not sure you'd be totally against that. Putinists (and Trumpists and other dictator-worshiping absolutists) tend to forget about laws and rights when it suits them.

[BADecker]

What does this mean? It means that Russia is totally justified in her actions.

Nonsense. It's like breaking into your neighbor's house because he voted for democrats. Although I'm not sure you'd be totally against that. Putinists (and Trumpists and other dictator-worshiping absolutists) tend to forget about laws and rights when it suits them.

You forget that Putin signed off on UN Charter Article 51. He IS legal in this police action of his. You forgot to quote the rest of my quote which shows a little of the why.

I know, I know. You're just upset that your hero, Putin, who you thought was going to be an aggressive war monger for the last 20 years - like you'd like to be - turns out to be a shrewd business man, not at all interested in war. So, you simply jumped over to the side of the aggressor who looked like it was peacefully business minded... the US.

I mean, consider NATO and the US, and the aggression they have done in all the police actions over the decades. Their excuse? "We're going to keep the peace if we have to start WW3 or WW4 to do it." When another nation, Russia in this case, tries to protect itself from US aggression, all of a sudden Russia is the bad guys.

[suchmoon]

You forget that Putin signed off on UN Charter Article 51. He IS legal in this police action of his.

No, he's not, quit making shit up. UN did not approve his "police action".

[johhnyUA]

Yep. Loot at this:
"Oккyпиpoвaнный Ceвepoдoнeцк paзpyшeн нa 90% – Гaйдaй"
Translation: "Occupied Severodonetsk destroyed by 90 %"

Russia can't siege and assault cities without leveling them to the ground and turning into a heap of rubble. Otherwise it's to complicated task for the russian war genius.

What's the point of shooting at buildings if someone is not placing tanks there and firing from there.

Low accuracy of soviet artillery and mrls + the need to terrify those who dare to resist.

Here is quote of old soviet general:
"Slipchenko was very clear that civilian targets would be the main priority in future war. This was both because they tend to be stationary, thus easy to hit, and because they potentially could have even greater effect on the political will of the opponent than military ones."
Slipchenko, Vladimir, 2006, Voiny novogo pokolenia – Distantsionnye i bezkontaktnye, Olma-Press, Moscow, p. 94

By the way, Gaidai is a dick from the mountains.

You're drug addict?

~Unknown01
~MinoRaiola
~s0nix
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

Done

[MinoRaiola]

~Unknown01
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~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

Done

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Once again, that's not true. My time and that of many others, so do not lie and tell the truth. I don't know what you did, but I was responsible for this:

@MinoRaiola bist du seid ihr auch wieder heile und Gesund wieder gekommen?

Nein, noch nicht zurück. Heute früh angekommen, es war eine lange Fahrt, aber so weit alles okay. Gefrühstückt bei der Familie eines Fahrers und nebenbei das polnische Fernsehen zeigt viele verstörende Bilder von der Ukraine. Wird wohl immer schlimmer. Ich melde mich wieder.

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Ich habe auch ein Video vom Bahnhof in Krakau, dort halten sich viele Frauen und Kinder auf, die aus der Ukraine geflüchtet sind.


Also ich hatte geschrieben, das im polnischen Fernsehen viele verstörende Bilder gezeigt werden, so dass die Bevölkerung auch Angst bekommt. Ein Video kann ich euch zeigen, wie es vor Ort (Polen) aussieht.



Sammelstelle 1 - Feuerwehr in einem Vorort von Krakau
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Sammelstelle 2 - Henryk-Reyman-Stadion (Stadion Miejski im. Henryka Reymana)

Krakau, im Wisla-Stadion, wo Polen Hilfe für Flüchtlinge bringen. "Nach der Ukraine könnten wir an der Reihe sein"
https://www.breakinglatest.news/world/krakow-at-the-wisla-stadium-where-poles-bring-aid-for-refugees-after-ukraine-it-could-be-our-turn/

Hier die Videos vor dem Stadion. Wie man sieht, ist dort auch die örtliche Polizei im Einsatz.
https://ufile.io/wbl6b8uf
https://ufile.io/exb0plst

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387345.msg59451200#msg59451200

[Lucius]

Amateurs in action - the Russians began to destroy themselves - will they receive medals because they died bravely?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IwqmezeSuQ

[BADecker]

Amateurs in action - the Russians began to destroy themselves - will they receive medals because they died bravely?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IwqmezeSuQ

They might receive special commendation.     

[LTU_btc]

Russian missile hits shopping mall in Kremenchuk with about 1000 people inside. This is how RF is targeting military objects only with "high precision" rockets:
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russian-missile-strike-on-shopping-centre-with-over-1-000-people-inside-in-city-of-kremenchuk-zelenskyy-says-12641299
And guess what is reaction from Russia? This time they lost themselves in their lies. Some telling that it was provocation from Ukraine (how unexpected) and mall was empty. Another version that military factory nearby was hitted and fire from it moved to mall. How stupid...

[BADecker]

Russian missile hits shopping mall in Kremenchuk with about 1000 people inside. This is how RF is targeting military objects only with "high precision" rockets:
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russian-missile-strike-on-shopping-centre-with-over-1-000-people-inside-in-city-of-kremenchuk-zelenskyy-says-12641299
And guess what is reaction from Russia? This time they lost themselves in their lies. Some telling that it was provocation from Ukraine (how unexpected) and mall was empty. Another version that military factory nearby was hitted and fire from it moved to mall. How stupid...

Thank you for explaining how your link is simply propaganda... by telling us about the other versions.

[VKcams.com]

other versions.

Pictures from there shown the empty park place. Not enough for 1000 customers.
And there are a lot of military, not civilians.

[BADecker]

other versions.

Pictures from there shown the empty park place. Not enough for 1000 customers.
And there are a lot of military, not civilians.

Thank you for not showing us that your link is LTU_btc's other versions.

[paxmao]

Russian missile hits shopping mall in Kremenchuk with about 1000 people inside. This is how RF is targeting military objects only with "high precision" rockets:
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russian-missile-strike-on-shopping-centre-with-over-1-000-people-inside-in-city-of-kremenchuk-zelenskyy-says-12641299
And guess what is reaction from Russia? This time they lost themselves in their lies. Some telling that it was provocation from Ukraine (how unexpected) and mall was empty. Another version that military factory nearby was hitted and fire from it moved to mall. How stupid...

Denials and crap from the RF Ministry of Fantasyland Tales in 3...2...1...

I  believe this act is not casual and it is completely intended - a target well away from the front, with nothing of military or logistics value and just as the OTAN meeting starts in Madrid. Rather than crimes against humanity, Adolf Putin has descended into mere terrorism. Simply showing how his psychos are able to kill Ukrainians if the please.

I wonder what will happen to the next batch of captured RF soldiers after this.

other versions.

Pictures from there shown the empty park place. Not enough for 1000 customers.
And there are a lot of military, not civilians.

You mean, empty AFTER the attack? And full of rescue teams AFTER the attack? I really hope you are not looking for job as analyst.

[TwitchySeal]

other versions.

Pictures from there shown the empty park place. Not enough for 1000 customers.
And there are a lot of military, not civilians.

in Kremenchug, Poltava region, the Silpo shopping and entertainment center was hit,
right behind which the Kremenchug plant of road machines is located.
Judging by the destruction of walls and pillars, the explosion itself was somewhere behind - and then from
it started a fire in the mall itself.
The mall itself is made of highly flammable materials: what some take
for the sounds of exploding ammunition can easily turn out to be a crack
from deforming structures or the sound of bursting glass.
Now, at the suggestion of Zelensky, all the world media are writing about a deliberate strike
on a civilian object, silent about the presence of strategically important objects behind the
mall itself.

How to get from the factory "right behind" the shopping center that's burning...

[LTU_btc]

other versions.

Pictures from there shown the empty park place. Not enough for 1000 customers.
And there are a lot of military, not civilians.

https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/9/7/0/16911079.png

Well, it didn't took long for russian trolls to arrive. And everything following narrative and old methodics, but without much thinking. Well, such things works well inside country to feed brainwashed russians, but it won't work here. Better focus posting this shit for your target audience.

[suchmoon]

Pictures from there shown the empty park place. Not enough for 1000 customers.
And there are a lot of military, not civilians.

For a genocide apologist you're too chickenshit. Just own it. Admit that your gnome dictator is exterminating Ukrainians. You're discrediting the Russian armed forces by implying that they hit some empty mall or didn't hit anything at all.

And this yesterday in Kyiv - the child must be Azov nazi slash military factory worker:

[VKcams.com]

exterminating Ukrainians

Don't you think that if the goal was to destroy the population, the situation in Kiev would be much more interesting?

but it won't work here

Are you completely insane and don't understand simple facts?

[tvbcof]

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For a genocide apologist you're too chickenshit. Just own it. Admit that your gnome dictator is exterminating Ukrainians. You're discrediting the Russian armed forces by implying that they hit some empty mall or didn't hit anything at all.

I read something recently (in an admittedly untrustworthy source) that the IMF has put a bounty on 'low grade' Ukranians and wants the total in-country count of this population group to be below 10M before the current phase of this thing is wrapped up.  The only reason I paid any mind to it at all is because it would explain the actions and activities of various 'leadership groups' quite well.  Like, say, French howitzers with cluster munition rounds bee-lining to within range of Donesk to fire into civilian areas as one of many examples.  Also, of course, rounding anyone who can walk as conscripts, giving them a few rounds, and abandoning them to the tender mercies of some fairly impressive Russian artillery work.  Likewise sending millions of 'refugees' out-of-country.

And this yesterday in Kyiv - the child must be Azov nazi slash military factory worker:

More likely this is just errant 'Ukrainian' air defense weaponry.  An anticipated consequence of using human shield.  I'm not saying to shut down the defence industry in the Kiev area; just quit bitching at the obvious consequences of such a decision.

Very possibily yet another completely staged event which seems to be the focus of Ukraine's war-fighting strategy and has been since day one ('Ghost of Kiev', 'Snake Island', Russian rape-gangs, etc, etc, etc.)  About what one would expect when an acting troupe is selected to run a country.  The natural fall-out of such a strategy is that very soon no thinking people will believe a word you say about anything even in cases where the story is actually factually based.

As it is, any fool can see that Russia can destroy anything they want any time they want in any part of Ukraine.  Clearly civilian infrastructure is not a target, and it's even pretty clear that, for now, the Russians are being surprisingly careful to try to avoid unnecessary collateral damage.

[mv1986]

Pictures from there shown the empty park place. Not enough for 1000 customers.
And there are a lot of military, not civilians.

For a genocide apologist you're too chickenshit. Just own it. Admit that your gnome dictator is exterminating Ukrainians. You're discrediting the Russian armed forces by implying that they hit some empty mall or didn't hit anything at all.

And this yesterday in Kyiv - the child must be Azov nazi slash military factory worker:

My god, if it wasn't so crazy horrible what's going on in Ukraine, I would have posted some smileys about the bold part...But this topic and the whole situation isn't made for smiles I guess.

Anyway, I would like to see an MRT analysis of a person's brain that comes up with the size of an empty parking place allegedly not offering enough space for 1000 customers in order to derive the conclusion that the missile attack was not as fierce as was officially reported or even completely bogus. Then I would like to compare the MRT pictures to someone with a healthy brain. There must be a difference, really, there must be...

The child, yes, well, if we can see the whole sequence around the foto and suddenly Bruce Willis walks by, we could all agree that this is just another scene casted for his next Armageddon movie.

At first I wanted to post that this dude isn't worth the time to respond to his gibberish posts, but then again it is quite interesting to see how eagerly and creatively people are willing to twist things (or maybe they aren't even willing but are wired that way, hence the MRT analysis...).