Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[tvbcof]

If I were Putin and wished to 1) make a big statement, and 2) respond in kind to infrastructure sabotage, I certainly wouldn't even consider low-yield nukes.  Not even for the purposes of doing and EMP.

What I would do would be to start sweeping up satellites.  Russia is certainly no stranger to work in space.  It's always seemed to me that simple nets should be able to do the job to one degree or another.  My initial vision is to just have a device that rotates and feeds out a net which looks very much like a spider web.  Weights on the radial cords and the spin to open them up.  Deploy them on a vector which would converge with the computed path of the target satellite.  Wouldn't be much different than fishing the ocean, and the eco-tards assure us with confidence that almost all the fish are gone because of us bad bad humans and our destructive tendencies.

Probably Russian sats would be targeted as one (of many) responses, but when all is said and done Russia will probably be able to put up new ones more competitively.  Rocket fuel takes a lot of energy to produce after all.  In the mean time it seems pretty clear that the loss of space assets would dis-proportionally degrade the more 'advanced' militaries.  Use of nukes for anyone would hugely tarnish one's reputation worldwide for a long long time.  Inconveniencing people who just want to do a little porn surfing on their Viasat collaterally damaged connectivity is kind of a different story.

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[BADecker]

^^^ Maybe rocket fuel is the reason Russia cut off gas to Europe. They are converting it to rocket fuel for the low-yield nukes, so they can take out individual HIMARS without harming the land with large amounts of radiation.

Oops! Accidentally hit a bunch of Ukraine Nazi soldiers.

[af_newbie]

If I were Putin and wished to 1) make a big statement, and 2) respond in kind to infrastructure sabotage, I certainly wouldn't even consider low-yield nukes.  Not even for the purposes of doing and EMP.

What I would do would be to start sweeping up satellites.  Russia is certainly no stranger to work in space.  It's always seemed to me that simple nets should be able to do the job to one degree or another.  My initial vision is to just have a device that rotates and feeds out a net which looks very much like a spider web.  Weights on the radial cords and the spin to open them up.  Deploy them on a vector which would converge with the computed path of the target satellite.  Wouldn't be much different than fishing the ocean, and the eco-tards assure us with confidence that almost all the fish are gone because of us bad bad humans and our destructive tendencies.

Probably Russian sats would be targeted as one (of many) responses, but when all is said and done Russia will probably be able to put up new ones more competitively.  Rocket fuel takes a lot of energy to produce after all.  In the mean time it seems pretty clear that the loss of space assets would dis-proportionally degrade the more 'advanced' militaries.  Use of nukes for anyone would hugely tarnish one's reputation worldwide for a long long time.  Inconveniencing people who just want to do a little porn surfing on their Viasat collaterally damaged connectivity is kind of a different story.

I recommend you double the dose of what you are currently taking. Your current dose does not lessen your symptoms.

You probably need a team of top-notch Norwegian psychiatrists, one will not do.

[BADecker]

If I were Putin and wished to 1) make a big statement, and 2) respond in kind to infrastructure sabotage, I certainly wouldn't even consider low-yield nukes.  Not even for the purposes of doing and EMP.

What I would do would be to start sweeping up satellites.  Russia is certainly no stranger to work in space.  It's always seemed to me that simple nets should be able to do the job to one degree or another.  My initial vision is to just have a device that rotates and feeds out a net which looks very much like a spider web.  Weights on the radial cords and the spin to open them up.  Deploy them on a vector which would converge with the computed path of the target satellite.  Wouldn't be much different than fishing the ocean, and the eco-tards assure us with confidence that almost all the fish are gone because of us bad bad humans and our destructive tendencies.

Probably Russian sats would be targeted as one (of many) responses, but when all is said and done Russia will probably be able to put up new ones more competitively.  Rocket fuel takes a lot of energy to produce after all.  In the mean time it seems pretty clear that the loss of space assets would dis-proportionally degrade the more 'advanced' militaries.  Use of nukes for anyone would hugely tarnish one's reputation worldwide for a long long time.  Inconveniencing people who just want to do a little porn surfing on their Viasat collaterally damaged connectivity is kind of a different story.

I recommend you double the dose of what you are currently taking. Your current dose does not lessen your symptoms.

You probably need a team of top-notch Norwegian psychiatrists, one will not do.

I'm sure tvbcof would thank you for your experience with Norwegian psychiatrists, if he wasn't so busy gathering more info about what is going on in the world. You might try that sometime... gathering more info rather than being nipple fed.

[paxmao]

Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.

My analysis is that Putin and the diplomatic arm could be thinking of selling gas to Europe while the Psychos are keen of breaking all ties an ensuring that it is not possible. Think of it, the RF does not need to blow the gas pipes to stop the supply. This is someone in the army making sure it cannot be back. There is certainly a fight in Moscow.

By now you must be aware that the "all powerful and glorious" RF Air Force is unable to do anything in Ukraine. Missiles are ok to destroy nurseries, commercial centres and the like but real military use requires precision not "precision". To put it plainly, the RF cannot raze anything to the ground. There was no option to "bomb" and instead the Junta took the non-decision of sequestering civilians and send them to die.

Bombing with high-explosive bombs was successfully used by Russia, in particular at Azovstal and near Kherson, where there is no threat to defeat civilians.

On regards to "synchronous"... funny that you mention that. The RF is absolutely unable to coordinate the deployment of 300k freshly recruited pretty much demotivated and unready poor bastards. Expect them to arrive late, unequipped, untrained, unmotivated, uncoordinated... This is the perfect recipe to destroy de population growth rate of the RF for the next 10 years.

Ukraine somehow coped with the task of mobilizing more than 800k civilians, Russia has a simpler task.

For Ukraine it is. They have been preparing since your Psychos and Orcs took Crimea and have plenty of help with training and supplies. RF has show their inability to hold supply lines beyond 200 km. I suspect many of these soldiers will desert out of mere hunger.

Yet here you are, still on phase 1 "denial".

I think you are too exalted by the local success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kharkov. Ukraine still has no chance in confrontation with Russia.

Why did Putin not close the borders? Perhaps the damage would have been excessive or perhaps this is designed to send abroad anyone who might actually dissent with the Psychos Junta.

What for? Russia has a multiple greater mobilization resource than Ukraine, it's okay if some people go abroad, it's their choice.

Are you aware that there is a 19 mile long queue in the Mongolian and Georgian borders? It seems it is not "some people", it is kind of "a lot of people". And make no mistake, these are not precisely the poor sods that have little skills and do not have enough to fly, these are the qualified professionals you need to run a country.

There is difference between the number of people living in RF and how many can you mobilise for a war that is not threatening the country before the depose Putin and the Psychos - probably in a very expedite way, like in the Menshevik revolution.

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Biden didn't do anything. Big Money used all kinds of vote/election fraud to do it. And we see the results, below. But big money doesn't care. And loads of Dem-tards don't understand, even after they are living in the streets.

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And somehow managed to do so without any evidence to be found by all the Trumpists, with even members of the Republican party stating on-record that they were being pressed to lie about the result, Mike Pence part of it!, with even Trump close family speaking of an actual conspiracy by Trump to cheat, with recorded evidence of a President of the United stated calling for violence, with recorded proof of armed groups, with security officers killed in the Capitol while Trump stood silent and sent no one to protect the temple of the US democracy. It is shameful for the US and it is not politics or partisanship, it goes well beyond.

As I have said many times, it would require so many people to be in a conspiracy that it would actually be more than half of the Americans - which would then would not require to do anything but just voting.

Anyway, you kind of believe that you can lie of confuse your way out of any situation, so I am not going to insist, it is not worth any more time.

[DaRude]

A "yes UA's goal is still to take back Crimea" would suffice, so do you personally agree with the "even though we lived fine up to 2014, we're now going to suicide everyone in order to prove a point to the world of just how bad Putin is" strategy? After RU escalates with mobilization and US backs off and doesn't make any new significant military aid commitments to the UA, what exactly is the point of sending UA military to the front lines? Is it to become a bigger victim?

No.

Have you considered that people who can remember and compare Donetsk before and after the coup came to town and replaced their duly elected president (who they overwhelmingly voted for) might care too? But i guess that's where you say if they didn't resist and accepted the coup they'd be totally fine?

Yanik's resignation didn't ruin Donetsk, the Russian invasion (2014 and even more so 2022) did. You need to clarify your point here if you have one. Reposting Kremlin propaganda in the form of loaded questions doesn't make it any more valid.

So you agree that Soviet leadership was fully diversified and represented with different nationalities all the way to the top. So Soviet famine that killed millions of Russians under non ethnically Russian leader is not that leader's nation fault, yet famine that killed millions of Ukrainians under non Russian leaders i still somehow Russia's fault?

You're the one bringing up "leader" nationality. I'm saying it means jack shit, it's the fucked up Russian/Soviet regime that caused this and it makes sense that Russia's neighbors (other than ones with their own wannabe dictators like Belarus' potato fuehrer) don't want any of that. Which part of it is still too difficult for you to understand?

Oh Yanukovych just resigned now did he? Is that how Ukrainian school books are being rewritten now, were the other alternatives "he just left on a very long vacation" and "he went out to get a pack of cigs"?

Everything was fine, Yanukovych resigned to pick up a pack of smokes and then Russian orcs showed up? No one could possibly predicted that majority that elected him could be a bit unhappy about that.
 
Just like i guess it must take some kind of a genius to predict that further escalations risk to destabilize EU altogether?

EUs 3rd economy becoming "euroskeptic" with "neo-fascist" roots, people might start asking questions soon, think majority would eat up that Putin did it as well? I guess US elections in November already have Putin written all over them?

If i may quote myself from May

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Ahh the, you default because i won't accept your payment, logic. I'm not sure if USD can be militarized anymore than this, so they decided to totally kill USD as a global reserve currency, how much of the US debt do they expect China to buy up after such antics? US cannot run on balanced budget especially now, so Yellen will need to force EU (Germany/France) to start propping up USD at the cost of EUR. USD/EUR parity incoming. Scholz and Macron are set up to be played hard, guess that's why they're running around the way they do

Euro is now bellow parity hit $0,96 today, and GBP is about to hit parity, got down to $1,0373 the other day. So now USD is up over 30% against GBP since U.S. delivers written response to Russian demands amid Ukraine crisis...as Washington continues to pursue diplomacy aimed at diverting a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. yes diplomacy at its best indeed.

So at first there was a claim that RU is not allowing civilians to leave Mariupol before they take the city, logic being cause that's just what Orcs do  

Then it gets better after claiming the following:

“Every Russian soldier who either shoots at the plant, or shoots using the plant as cover, must understand that he becomes a special target for our intelligence agents, for our special services, for our army,” President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in an evening address on Saturday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/14/ukraine-targets-russian-soldiers-threatening-nuclear-power-plant.html

Ukrainian military officials have accused Russian forces of firing missiles from the plant’s grounds in Nikopol, just across the Dnipro River, using the plant’s vulnerability as cover.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/06/world/ukraine-russia-war

And of course

Russia ‘endangers the whole world’ with strike on nuclear power plant in Ukraine

https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/russia-endangers-the-whole-world-with-strike-on-nuclear-power-plant-in-ukraine/

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts


And just in case readers have any resemblance of brain cells or critical thinking left:

Biden, in contrast, told reporters at the White House that “if Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Asked how he could be sure, since it would be officials in Berlin, not Washington, who would make the decision, Biden told a journalist: “I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

And now of course

Nord Stream pipeline blasts were likely from explosions, not earthquakes, seismologist says

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-likely-explosions-not-earthquakes-seismologist-says

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

At least elected member of the European parliament and former Polish Defense Minister says how it is, before he's "shown the way" and claims hacks or a joke

U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/us-blew-up-russian-gas-pipelines-nord-stream-1--2-says-former-polish-defense-minister

Wondering how low will EUR drop now

[Poker Player]

I'm starting to get fed up with the nuclear threat:

Medvedev raises spectre of Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine

If it were up to me, I would be prepared to launch a massive nuclear counterattack the moment Russia drops a single atomic bomb on Ukraine.

Ex-CIA officer says Putin is 'completely cornered' and the chances of his using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine are increasing 'by the day'

Since the negative radiation effects would affect neighboring NATO member countries, I would consider the attack as triggering Article 5.

Surely this would end in a planetary catastrophe, but you can't live your whole life under the threat of a bully without reacting. I'd rather die with dignity than live on my knees.

[suchmoon]

Oh Yanukovych just resigned now did he? Is that how Ukrainian school books are being rewritten now, were the other alternatives "he just left on a very long vacation" and "he went out to get a pack of cigs"?

Everything was fine, Yanukovych resigned to pick up a pack of smokes and then Russian orcs showed up? No one could possibly predicted that majority that elected him could be a bit unhappy about that.
 
Just like i guess it must take some kind of a genius to predict that further escalations risk to destabilize EU altogether?

EUs 3rd economy becoming "euroskeptic" with "neo-fascist" roots, people might start asking questions soon, think majority would eat up that Putin did it as well? I guess US elections in November already have Putin written all over them?

You seem to be very unsure as to what you're talking about, so many questions...

So at first there was a claim that RU is not allowing civilians to leave Mariupol before they take the city, logic being cause that's just what Orcs do  

Logic being that they had the city surrounded and in control of all roads out of it.

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts

Again, Russian forces are in control of it. If they don't want or can't bear that responsibility they can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. It's a civilian object useless for military purposes unless the military purpose is nuclear blackmail.

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

Funny how you pretend like this is something new (unless you've been in a cave the last 20-30 years and it is indeed new to you). Russians have been using gas and oil for blackmail for decades. Mostly against smaller countries like the Baltic states so it wasn't as newsworthy until they hit Germany.

[DaRude]

I'm starting to get fed up with the nuclear threat:

Medvedev raises spectre of Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine

If it were up to me, I would be prepared to launch a massive nuclear counterattack the moment Russia drops a single atomic bomb on Ukraine.

Ex-CIA officer says Putin is 'completely cornered' and the chances of his using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine are increasing 'by the day'

Since the negative radiation effects would affect neighboring NATO member countries, I would consider the attack as triggering Article 5.

Surely this would end in a planetary catastrophe, but you can't live your whole life under the threat of a bully without reacting. I'd rather die with dignity than live on my knees.

You sir are an idiot (or, hopefully, just a UA troll trying to suck the world into a nuclear war, which is at least understandable). In case it's the former, Medvedev is war mongering, his argument is pretty much if US/EU escalates this further and sends thousands of M1 Abrams and other tanks rolling into "new" Russian territory, RU will defend itself with nuclear weapons. Which was pretty obvious to everyone even Zelenskyy says he doesn't think Putin is 'bluffing' over nuclear threats (which completely baffles me, please send us tanks but he's totally serious and will nuke us next? Shouldn't he be saying completely opposite, Putin is bluffing please send us tanks you'll be fine, it totally WON'T trigger WW3? can someone explain this one to me ). You, on the other hand, claiming NATO members would have negative radiation effects thus lets turn this into planetary catastrophe is beyond moronic. I can safely speak for the rest of the world, that we all are very glad that it's not up to you, we've been through this before and would very much like to live through this and through all of the following nuclear stand offs, and if you want to die feel free to do so on your own, non of us want to be dragged in with you!
 

Oh Yanukovych just resigned now did he? Is that how Ukrainian school books are being rewritten now, were the other alternatives "he just left on a very long vacation" and "he went out to get a pack of cigs"?

Everything was fine, Yanukovych resigned to pick up a pack of smokes and then Russian orcs showed up? No one could possibly predicted that majority that elected him could be a bit unhappy about that.
 
Just like i guess it must take some kind of a genius to predict that further escalations risk to destabilize EU altogether?

EUs 3rd economy becoming "euroskeptic" with "neo-fascist" roots, people might start asking questions soon, think majority would eat up that Putin did it as well? I guess US elections in November already have Putin written all over them?

You seem to be very unsure as to what you're talking about, so many questions...

So at first there was a claim that RU is not allowing civilians to leave Mariupol before they take the city, logic being cause that's just what Orcs do  

Logic being that they had the city surrounded and in control of all roads out of it.

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts

Again, Russian forces are in control of it. If they don't want or can't bear that responsibility they can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. It's a civilian object useless for military purposes unless the military purpose is nuclear blackmail.

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

Funny how you pretend like this is something new (unless you've been in a cave the last 20-30 years and it is indeed new to you). Russians have been using gas and oil for blackmail for decades. Mostly against smaller countries like the Baltic states so it wasn't as newsworthy until they hit Germany.

If you can't bear responsibility of UA attacks on a nuclear power plant you can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. Love it! Absolutely perfect logic, nothing more needs to be added!

Your kindergarten propaganda is tiresome. Pick one, either, US leveraging it's alliance and status of its dollar as a global reserve currency to apply pressure everywhere, and Russia is leveraging it's resources, OR US is blackmailing with its alliance, finances, technological dominance etc etc etc and Russia is blackmailing with its resources. I'm fine with either, but you can mix them up for a cheap propaganda shot.

The reason RU cannot "blackmail" UK or say Australia is because it doesn't have a pipeline to them, do you now see how having a pipeline in the first place is kind of important to the whole "blackmailing" part. No pipeline, no more "blackmailing", with which I believe you uncovered the whole point here, good job!

[be.open]

Ukraine somehow coped with the task of mobilizing more than 800k civilians, Russia has a simpler task.

Sending thousands of untrained drunks armed with rusty kalashnikovs against HIMARS is indeed quite simple. Not very effective though.

We'll see. So far, it looks more like Russia is increasing its military grouping in Ukraine by at least 2.5 times, due to the mobilization of reservists with military service experience.

Meanwhile, the referenda took place and their result was quite predictable. A special military operation may soon be transformed into an ordinary anti-terrorist operation.

[Poker Player]

You sir are an idiot (or, hopefully, just a UA troll trying to suck the world into a nuclear war, which is at least understandable).

The only moron here, who defends a genocidal man who threatens to use atomic bombs and start a nuclear war is you.

Clown.

[OgNasty]

Not gonna lie...  This latest attack via the Nord Stream Pipeline is a bit concerning.  I'm worried that we might be starting a world war and becoming environmental terrorists all at once.  It's hard to believe this could happen in today's world, but here we are.  From tweets by politicians we can see that the United States is being called the orchestrator of this attack and it appears some of our European allies are not happy about it.  I'm really concerned about how much damage the current administration in the US is going to cause over the next two years.

[paxmao]

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And of course

Russia ‘endangers the whole world’ with strike on nuclear power plant in Ukraine

https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/russia-endangers-the-whole-world-with-strike-on-nuclear-power-plant-in-ukraine/

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts


And just in case readers have any resemblance of brain cells or critical thinking left:

Biden, in contrast, told reporters at the White House that “if Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Asked how he could be sure, since it would be officials in Berlin, not Washington, who would make the decision, Biden told a journalist: “I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

And now of course

Nord Stream pipeline blasts were likely from explosions, not earthquakes, seismologist says

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-likely-explosions-not-earthquakes-seismologist-says

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

At least elected member of the European parliament and former Polish Defense Minister says how it is, before he's "shown the way" and claims hacks or a joke

U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/us-blew-up-russian-gas-pipelines-nord-stream-1--2-says-former-polish-defense-minister

Wondering how low will EUR drop now

Interesting theory I reckon, the US being the one blowing up the gas pipe to ensure that Germany does not use it. However it does not make sense, since they anyway have Nord Stream I which is already shut off. If Germany / EU would want RF gas, they can still get it. Following the argument, the NS I goes through Ukraine, but Ukraine would not interrupt these due to risk of EU becoming less friendly.

 Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

[af_newbie]

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And of course

Russia ‘endangers the whole world’ with strike on nuclear power plant in Ukraine

https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/russia-endangers-the-whole-world-with-strike-on-nuclear-power-plant-in-ukraine/

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts


And just in case readers have any resemblance of brain cells or critical thinking left:

Biden, in contrast, told reporters at the White House that “if Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Asked how he could be sure, since it would be officials in Berlin, not Washington, who would make the decision, Biden told a journalist: “I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

And now of course

Nord Stream pipeline blasts were likely from explosions, not earthquakes, seismologist says

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-likely-explosions-not-earthquakes-seismologist-says

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

At least elected member of the European parliament and former Polish Defense Minister says how it is, before he's "shown the way" and claims hacks or a joke

U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/us-blew-up-russian-gas-pipelines-nord-stream-1--2-says-former-polish-defense-minister

Wondering how low will EUR drop now

Interesting theory I reckon, the US being the one blowing up the gas pipe to ensure that Germany does not use it. However it does not make sense, since they anyway have Nord Stream I which is already shut off. If Germany / EU would want RF gas, they can still get it. Following the argument, the NS I goes through Ukraine, but Ukraine would not interrupt these due to risk of EU becoming less friendly.

 Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

It is Putin's payback for Germany nationalizing his refineries.

[be.open]

Anyone thinking Russia sabotaged their own pipeline that helps to rake in billions for Putin and his cronies (I'm not a fan of them but....) should watch this:

Biden says he'll shut down Nord Stream 2 pipeline if Russia further invades Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbEoZXhCrM&ab_channel=YahooFinance

Yep, military exercises were held this summer in this area of ​​the Baltic Sea with the participation of deep-sea divers and underwater drones, I think that was when explosives were planted under gas pipelines.

[suchmoon]

If you can't bear responsibility of UA attacks on a nuclear power plant you can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. Love it! Absolutely perfect logic, nothing more needs to be added!

Except that "UA attacks" is likely bullshit. For example Russian MOD showed a propaganda video where they bombed a pylon of an abandoned WWII bridge on the Dnieper and claimed it was a Ukrainian boat or barge or whatever.

As for "handing it over"... it's a Ukrainian power plant. There is no reason whatsoever for Russia to hold it hostage, other than terrorism. Not dissimilar to holding a school full of kids.

Your kindergarten propaganda is tiresome. Pick one, either, US leveraging it's alliance and status of its dollar as a global reserve currency to apply pressure everywhere, and Russia is leveraging it's resources, OR US is blackmailing with its alliance, finances, technological dominance etc etc etc and Russia is blackmailing with its resources. I'm fine with either, but you can mix them up for a cheap propaganda shot.

Not sure why I need to pick one of your straw people. Russia is well known for its resource blackmail. How about you pick a lane and call things their real names, not "special operation" or "it's actually a good thing but the US did worse so it's ok if it's a bad thing".

The reason RU cannot "blackmail" UK or say Australia is because it doesn't have a pipeline to them, do you now see how having a pipeline in the first place is kind of important to the whole "blackmailing" part. No pipeline, no more "blackmailing", with which I believe you uncovered the whole point here, good job!

The pipeline hasn't disappeared. It can and likely will be fixed and Kremlin will surely be extremely gleeful about it.

[BADecker]

Since it was the US that probably did the destruction, what they are doing is showing Germany that they better not make deals with Russia or something worse might happen.

Imagine if the other NATO countries in the area suddenly started a war with Germany, simply for Germany calling off its Russia sanctions.

[DaRude]

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And of course

Russia ‘endangers the whole world’ with strike on nuclear power plant in Ukraine

https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/russia-endangers-the-whole-world-with-strike-on-nuclear-power-plant-in-ukraine/

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts


And just in case readers have any resemblance of brain cells or critical thinking left:

Biden, in contrast, told reporters at the White House that “if Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Asked how he could be sure, since it would be officials in Berlin, not Washington, who would make the decision, Biden told a journalist: “I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

And now of course

Nord Stream pipeline blasts were likely from explosions, not earthquakes, seismologist says

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-likely-explosions-not-earthquakes-seismologist-says

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

At least elected member of the European parliament and former Polish Defense Minister says how it is, before he's "shown the way" and claims hacks or a joke

U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/us-blew-up-russian-gas-pipelines-nord-stream-1--2-says-former-polish-defense-minister

Wondering how low will EUR drop now

Interesting theory I reckon, the US being the one blowing up the gas pipe to ensure that Germany does not use it. However it does not make sense, since they anyway have Nord Stream I which is already shut off. If Germany / EU would want RF gas, they can still get it. Following the argument, the NS I goes through Ukraine, but Ukraine would not interrupt these due to risk of EU becoming less friendly.

 Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

Already loving these!  

You seem to have some misunderstandings about Nord Streams. Nord Sream 1 does NOT go through Ukraine. Both Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pretty much go side by side from Russia to Germany


There are 2 pipes that make up NS1 and 2 pipes in NS2 for a total of 4 pipes. Both pipes of NS1 and one pipe of NS2 are confirmed to have been blown up. So far seems like one pipe in NS2 is holding pressure but we don't know the extent of damage to it. Regardless, estimates to fix range from few months (meaning after winter when it's useless to Germany/RU) to never.

while opinion polls show that more than two thirds of Germans still back sanctions, around half think these are hurting Germany more than Russia.
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"Our entire economic system is in danger of collapsing. If we are not careful, Germany could become de-industrialised," Michael Kretschmer, conservative leader of the eastern Saxony region, told Die Zeit newspaper in an interview printed on Thursday.
"If we realise that we cannot for now give up on Russian gas, then it is bitter but it is the reality, and we must act accordingly."
Concerns about government policy on Ukraine are particularly widespread in the former communist East, which has stronger ties to Moscow and stands to be more affected by the looming economic downturn as it is already worse off.
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Kretschmer, whose state has a population of around 4 million, is calling for the war in Ukraine to be "frozen" and for Europe to push for peace talks.
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Ukraine's outgoing ambassador in Berlin, Andrij Melnyk, said on Twitter Kretschmer should stick his own head in the freezer to stop his "Russia fantasies".
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"Freezing for freedom is not sustainable," CSU General Secretary Martin Huber told the Muenchner Merkur newspaper, referring to the prospect of possible gas shortages in the coming winter.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/worries-over-winter-test-support-in-germany-for-russia-sanctions/47787442

‘Sulky liver sausage!’ Ukraine ambassador scolds German leader for not visiting Kyiv

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-germany-scholz-sulky-liver-sausage-b2070401.html

Germany fails Ukraine as 'vague' Scholz U-turns on military support
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Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Schmyhal met with the German Chancellor in Berlin over the weekend to discuss cooperation against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But the Ukrainian leader was left disappointed by Mr Scholz after he was met with reluctance to be provided with key military aid by Berlin.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1665919/germany-olaf-scholz-tanks-delivery-military-aid-ukraine

Thousands take to streets in north Germany demanding launch of Nord Stream 2

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/09/26/689860/Germany-Russia-Gas-Link-Demo-Nord-Stream


And now Poland and Ukraine control all RU gas deliveries to Germany as all other gas pipes to Germany go through them If Germany doesn't have enough gas or winter is extra harsh now they can't get more RU gas without Poland/Ukraine permission. Anyone knows how to say Germany is fucked in German?

Clearly US and EU perceived the pipeline as a threat to the point where US president is on record saying that he'll bring the pipe between Russia and Germany to the end. So you're saying that Russia did just that themselves to make some point   that point being that they can shoot themselves in the foot? You are aware that there are other gas pipes besides this most critical one for Russia, and Denmark is part of NATO last i checked. Is that your best theory?

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It is Putin's payback for Germany nationalizing his refineries.

Thanks for not sending tanks to Ukraine and pissing them off, but because you nationalizing some refineries, now I'm going to do what Biden promised to, and blow up this pipe to make sure that no RU gas fill those refineries, and so i loose all leverage over you. Is that what you expect people to believe? Is this your final answer?

...The pipeline hasn't disappeared. It can and likely will be fixed and Kremlin will surely be extremely gleeful about it.

You disappoint me, weakest one so far!! No aliens, or Germans were some kind of triple agents that why RU decided to take them out? At least please tell us that you're some kind of underwater pipe expert? These kind of weak arguments would be a hard sell even for the most retarded mass media consumer!

NORD STREAM is feared to have been damaged beyond repair and left crippled indefinitely after it was torn open by a series of explosions.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19945821/nord-stream-damaged-beyond-repair/

[suchmoon]

Clearly US and EU perceived the pipeline as a threat to the point where US president is on record saying that he'll bring the pipe between Russia and Germany to the end. So you're saying that Russia did just that themselves to make some point   that point being that they can shoot themselves in the foot? You are aware that there are other gas pipes besides this most critical one for Russia, and Denmark is part of NATO last i checked. Is that your best theory?

Gas prices going up benefit Russia. They've done this trick many times, including recently with the NS shutdown shenanigans. But what do I know, maybe Biden blew the pipeline up to help Putin finance the war. Weirder things have happened.

You disappoint me, weakest one so far!! No aliens, or Germans were some kind of triple agents that why RU decided to take them out? At least please tell us that you're some kind of underwater pipe expert? These kind of weak arguments would be a hard sell even for the most retarded mass media consumer!

NORD STREAM is feared to have been damaged beyond repair and left crippled indefinitely after it was torn open by a series of explosions.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19945821/nord-stream-damaged-beyond-repair/

Sure, Murdoch's tabloid knows best. You can also quote Tucker Carlson, another Murdoch employee and Kremlin's darling.

Unless "beyond repair" means "Germany doesn't buy enough gas from Russia anymore to justify the cost of repair", which might actually be true. But that invalidates the rest of your conspiratardery, doesn't it. Europe's not gonna freeze this winter, etc.

[DaRude]

Clearly US and EU perceived the pipeline as a threat to the point where US president is on record saying that he'll bring the pipe between Russia and Germany to the end. So you're saying that Russia did just that themselves to make some point   that point being that they can shoot themselves in the foot? You are aware that there are other gas pipes besides this most critical one for Russia, and Denmark is part of NATO last i checked. Is that your best theory?

Gas prices going up benefit Russia. They've done this trick many times, including recently with the NS shutdown shenanigans. But what do I know, maybe Biden blew the pipeline up to help Putin finance the war. Weirder things have happened.

You disappoint me, weakest one so far!! No aliens, or Germans were some kind of triple agents that why RU decided to take them out? At least please tell us that you're some kind of underwater pipe expert? These kind of weak arguments would be a hard sell even for the most retarded mass media consumer!

NORD STREAM is feared to have been damaged beyond repair and left crippled indefinitely after it was torn open by a series of explosions.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19945821/nord-stream-damaged-beyond-repair/

Sure, Murdoch's tabloid knows best. You can also quote Tucker Carlson, another Murdoch employee and Kremlin's darling.

Unless "beyond repair" means "Germany doesn't buy enough gas from Russia anymore to justify the cost of repair", which might actually be true. But that invalidates the rest of your conspiratardery, doesn't it. Europe's not gonna freeze this winter, etc.

How about German centrist tagesspiegel?

(translated) Meanwhile, German security authorities are assuming that the three tubes of the Baltic Sea pipeline Nord Stream 1 and 2 will be forever useless after alleged acts of sabotage

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/kremlnahes-medium-deutet-us-beteiligung-an-pipeline-lecks-an-8687140.html

But alas how any source could possibly compare to your empty claims.

Ohh what a clever idea, think so far this one takes the prize, following that logic instead of just turning the pipelines off, Russia should just start blowing all of them up, you know that'll really get the gas prices going up. You should've been more careful disclosing such ingenious ideas, now Qatar/Saudi Arabia/Iran/Venezuela might find out just how lucrative it can be to blow up their own most valuable pipelines!