Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

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I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

It's wonderful to see this attitude. Many of us who have had reasonable life success are not really in favor of this attitude.

In history, especially before the advent of the gun, many people (millions or billions) have looked into the eyes of the person running the sword through their abdomen, and saluted their enemy mentally, before they died and existed no longer.

Millions - maybe billions. So, I salute you that you can have this 'peace' attitude, even if (as) it kills you.

Obviously, I am against it, it is not that I am blind to the world nor understand the use of violence and that you cannot accept being killed or enslaved without a fight. Well, unless you are an RF citizen being recruited, they seem to be fine with it.

Oh, you having reasonable success... bullshit if you say thinks that "billions have died looking at the bla bla..." but I will not waste time educating you on who, why and how many die in wars, your assertions have the same sense as all your other mumbling.

In modern times, there aren't many who are happy with being drafted. In the US, why we aren't drafting people for war ISN'T a mystery. It has to do with the fact that the Dem leaders and Biden are doing everything they can to destroy US preparedness for a REAL fight with ANY other nation. To see this, all you have to do is look at how they are running America's stock of self-defense materials into the ground by sending it into the Ukraine black hole... along with the money of the American people.

As far as billions have died in the past... check out Gobekli Tepe and her sister site, Karahan Tepe, that is even older. According to the latest and best understanding about how old GT is, it's about 11,500 years old. And It is well advanced beyond the prehistory standard that says that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter-gatherers. Modern archaeology is only scratching the surface regarding how many people have lived in the past, ancient past, and prehistoric past.

According to what modern archaeology is finding out now, is the fact that earth has been populated for a lot longer, by people who were almost as capable of killing each other off as we are today. Up to the point of 2 or 3 decades ago, prehistoric people weren't smart enough to do much of anything beyond inventing the wheel. Now, we are finding that we were wrong in thinking that.

Certainly millions, but as many as billions, of people have died in past times... if you want to believe what modern archaeology has found over the last 2 or 3 decades... even if they don't want to rub their own faces in the realization of their former mistaken ideas.

And Bluesondine cures COVID... same sources (I am asking because you do not mention any)

Now that I think of it, you may be speaking in US "billions", 10^9 , while I am thinking of European Billions 10^12, so ok, I can accept American billions.

Still, at the risk of wasting a few second of my valuable time on earth, most people do not die killed by other "eye to eye". Take WW II, 55 million civilians, 25 million military. That is what modern warfare looks like. An old warfare sometimes even worse (Romans were well known genocidal).

 Anyway, back to something that is not you and your ego: Today the RF gloriously made a "precision strike" on a building in Zaporiyia. A civilian building with no strategic value whatsoever that was, obviously, in use. Again, this is Mafia rules: senseless killing of civilians that makes no sense: it does not stop the war, does not provide any advantage nor is any other way beneficial for the RF war effort. Senseless destruction that not even animals engage in.

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[BADecker]

In modern times, there aren't many who are happy with being drafted. In the US, why we aren't drafting people for war ISN'T a mystery. It has to do with the fact that the Dem leaders and Biden are doing everything they can to destroy US preparedness for a REAL fight with ANY other nation. To see this, all you have to do is look at how they are running America's stock of self-defense materials into the ground by sending it into the Ukraine black hole... along with the money of the American people.

As far as billions have died in the past... check out Gobekli Tepe and her sister site, Karahan Tepe, that is even older. According to the latest and best understanding about how old GT is, it's about 11,500 years old. And It is well advanced beyond the prehistory standard that says that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter-gatherers. Modern archaeology is only scratching the surface regarding how many people have lived in the past, ancient past, and prehistoric past.

According to what modern archaeology is finding out now, is the fact that earth has been populated for a lot longer, by people who were almost as capable of killing each other off as we are today. Up to the point of 2 or 3 decades ago, prehistoric people weren't smart enough to do much of anything beyond inventing the wheel. Now, we are finding that we were wrong in thinking that.

Certainly millions, but as many as billions, of people have died in past times... if you want to believe what modern archaeology has found over the last 2 or 3 decades... even if they don't want to rub their own faces in the realization of their former mistaken ideas.

And Bluesondine cures COVID... same sources (I am asking because you do not mention any). At the risk of wasting a few second of my valuable time on earth, most people do not die killed by other "eye to eye". Take WW II, 55 million civilians, 25 million military. That is what modern warfare looks like. An old warfare sometimes even worse (Romans were well known genocidal).

 Anyway, back to something that is not you and your ego: Today the RF gloriously made a "precision strike" on a building in Zaporiyia. A civilian building with no strategic value whatsoever that was, obviously, in use. Again, this is Mafia rules: senseless killing of civilians that makes no sense: it does not stop the war, does not provide any advantage nor is any other way beneficial for the RF war effort. Senseless destruction that not even animals engage in.

Come on. In all of the hundred years of 1900 to 2000, there were only about 200 million people killed by their own governments. That's nothing compared with the many thousands of years back to and beyond Gobekli Tepe. Besides, the world population in the 1900s was big enough that the murdered-by-war were barely a drop in the proverbial bucket.

I mean, since you have looked at GT a little by now, there weren't merely 1 or 2 million people on earth back then... 11,500 years ago. GT and a whole bunch of other archaeological sites show that there were at least hundreds of millions, and maybe billions. Simply extrapolate a little. And they weren't at all ignorant, even if their thinking was along different lines than ours, scientifically.

As far as Russia making a strike on a civilian area - if they did - they wouldn't have done it if there weren't a war advantage against Ukraine somehow... like Ukraine soldiers hiding behind civilians again, or the civilian structures being used to house Ukraine military equipment of some sort.

That's war. Ukrainian civilians have had months to move out, difficult though it may be for them. If they're going to stay, what can they expect except that some of them are going be casualties in this war? What's interesting is that many of them know that the Ukraine military is using them as shields, but they would rather stay, virtually committing suicide, in their willing allegiance to Russia. "Mother made me what I am. Mother has the right to use me to take out her enemies, even if I die from it."

If it were Russia's aim to kill everybody off in Ukraine, they would have started using tactical baby nukes long ago. All the way back in the 1960s and 1970s the US was making small nukes the size of a breadbox. There is no way that Russia doesn't have technology like that, now.

[suchmoon]

Some food for thought

https://youtu.be/KwF5Y1oZrAw

Random hobos from bitchute aren't mad enough so you need a screaming clown from youtube to tell you that to think.

[Branko]

Some food for thought

https://youtu.be/KwF5Y1oZrAw

Random hobos from bitchute aren't mad enough so you need a screaming clown from youtube to tell you that to think.

He's anglosaxon like you pretend to be, just smart

[suchmoon]

He's anglosaxon

I don't know about that, he doesn't look 1000 years old.

[TwitchySeal]

Out for a while.  Got back and re-evaluating.  I feel it time for another explainer on what is actually going on for those who get most of their info from the [J/N]ews.

As I said near the start of this thing, Russia has no reason to have any interest in most areas of Ukroidistan.  Who (aside from a particular tribe who embrace a religion which celebrates genocide) would want anything to do with a underdeveloped shit-hole full of nazis and scammers?  It makes no sense and never did.

NATO had their Ukroid tools play weak in hopes that Russia would over-extend.  As I predicted, Russia didn't.  They more or less sat on their hands for months and let the people who really wanted to fight (Wagner, Chechens, etc) do the minimal attacks.  Of course they picked off massive numbers of Ukdroids and armor with distance techniques.

When the Russians did move back they just use the Mongolian defense strategy of vacating and wiping out the attackers en-mass.  In addition to the creation of future 'cauldrons' thehe happy side effects of this are two-fold:

 - The waves of attacking Ukriods (and more and more, NATO) make a target rich environment.

 - The mock-victories give the dumb-fucks a false sense of progress and they act in an even more reckless way.  Arranging this scenario in more than one place simultaneously more than doubles the effect as NATO has to split the depleted resources (primarily Slavic biomass) down even more.

There are several reasons why the killed ratio is almost certainly better than 10/1 in Russia's favor.  One is simple skill, patience, and tactics.  The other, as I've said before, is that to the Ziocon designers the ratio is not a bug; it's a feature.

Russia probably does want and probably will have Kharkiv as a buffer zone at the least.  And they will get it without a fight.  They seem to be following my own cynical advice from some months ago:  Let the NaZiocons back in to oversea the secret police murders and a dark cold winter while their now-Russian former neighbors fill themselves on piping hot borscht.  Internal revolution by spring.  Just have to make sure that if there is a 'peace deal', it includes a referendum in Kharkiv.

It remains as much a mystery to me as ever whether the Russians will take Odessa.  If they don't I will be even more suspicious that this thing has been a scheme all along to arrange for what (((they))) refer to as the 'Heavenly Jerusalem Project' and Putin has been in on it all along.  The wanton depopulation of the Slavic populations in terms of the 'tactics' employed by the leadership it's already pretty suspicious.

Or maybe you're wrong.  

Russia does keep keeps losing land.  They're had to give up on cities they've occupied since the spring - they were getting ready to start school with all the new Russian curriculum.  And then all the sudden the Russian military has to run away to avoid being encircled.  

Russian installed deputy head of Kherson region posted a video saying Putins defense minister should kill himself because he's fucked things up so badly.  Feel like that guy isn't going to be alive much longer either way.

The Nintendo Wiibloggers, who have been pushing Kremlin lines for years to millions are freaking out at how shitty Russias military is from top to bottom.

State media is starting to ask where all the funds went  that were supposed to be invested in the military.  (Although, I think they know the answer to that question)

You're more loyal to Putin than most of his own people.  

[Branko]

Or maybe you're wrong.  

Russia does keep keeps losing land.  They're had to give up on cities they've occupied since the spring - they were getting ready to start school with all the new Russian curriculum.  And then all the sudden the Russian military has to run away to avoid being encircled.  

Russian installed deputy head of Kherson region posted a video saying Putins defense minister should kill himself because he's fucked things up so badly.  Feel like that guy isn't going to be alive much longer either way.

The Nintendo Wiibloggers, who have been pushing Kremlin lines for years to millions are freaking out at how shitty Russias military is from top to bottom.

State media is starting to ask where all the funds went  that were supposed to be invested in the military.  (Although, I think they know the answer to that question)

You're more loyal to Putin than most of his own people.  

tends to happen in most armies...Putin generals warned him that if he wants good army, he should be in perpetual state of war like USA or Israel,
but he obviously made mistake

[tvbcof]

Or maybe you're wrong.  
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It goes without saying, or should, that I am certainly going to be wrong about some things.  Certainly I'll assign inordinate weight to some factors, and neglect other important factors out of ignorance.

I've recently come across testimony of Russian side sources who've been on-the-ground, seem credible, and have described some real problems.  In a nutshell, the opposition forces are increasingly NATO and have opened up the tap on Western intel sources data (which seems in no small part to be network/satellite related.)

Again, and especially in light of the Nordstream sabotage, I would be very inclined to take this thing into space if I were the Russians.  Perhaps Musk has 'turned into a Russian asset' in part because he hopes that his wares might be spared to some degree?

[Veleor]

The 2022 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded today.
The Ukrainian president was one of the favorites to receive this prize, however, it was given to other people: 1) the Ukrainian human rights organization; 2) an oppositional Russian human rights organization; 3) a Belarusian oppositionist.
But it would be phenomenal if Zelensky got this prize after his recent statements about NATO "preemptive strikes" against Russia.
Any reasonable person understands that such actions can lead to a nuclear apocalypse and the destruction of all life on the planet.

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"Like it was before February 24 - preemptive strikes.
So that they know what will happen to them if they use [nuclear weapons], and not vice versa:
wait for Russian nuclear strikes, so that later they can say,
'Oh, that’s how you are? Well, take it from us," the President stressed.
"Reconsider the application of its pressure - that's what I think NATO should do: reconsider the application."

Source


The winners have already been criticized on Twitter by Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of presidential administration Zelensky.

[suchmoon]

But it would be phenomenal if Zelensky got this prize after his recent statements about NATO "preemptive strikes" against Russia.
Any reasonable person understands that such actions can lead to a nuclear apocalypse and the destruction of all life on the planet.

Quit making shit up.

In a speech on Oct. 6, President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that NATO’s goal was to make it impossible for Russia to use nuclear weapons. He made a broad appeal, stating: “I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russians] know what will happen to them and not vice versa.”

Top Russian officials, including Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the foreign minister, and Dmitry Peskov, a spokesperson for the Kremlin, charged Zelensky with inciting nuclear war.

Trying to provide reassurance that Ukraine would never advocate the deployment of nuclear weapons, Zelensky’s spokesperson Serhii Nykyforov clarified that the president was in fact referring to precautionary sanctions to be implemented prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion.

“Colleagues, you have come a little far away with your nuclear hysteria and now you hear nuclear strikes even where that was not said. The president spoke about the period until February 24. Then it was necessary to apply measures to prevent Russia from starting a war. Let me remind you that the only measures that were discussed at that time were preventative sanctions,” Nykyforov stressed.

“Only the terrorist state of Russia allows itself to blackmail the world… and hint in every possible way at the use of nuclear weapons. You will never hear such calls from Ukraine,” he added.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the President’s Office, said that Zelensky didn’t mention anything about a preemptive nuclear strike and that it was just another Russian fake.

“Another Russian fake. Not a single word from Zelensky about a preemptive nuclear strike on the Russian Federation,” Podolyak said. “Zelensky just reminded listeners of Russian nuclear blackmail and suggested that the world preemptively outline the consequences for Russia and strengthen strikes against the Russian Federation – sanctions and armed assistance.

For his part, Russian president Vladimir Putin has already threatened the Ukrainian counteroffensive with nuclear weapons.

On Sep. 21, Putin made a veiled nuclear weapons reference, stating: “When its territorial integrity is threatened, Russia will use everything it can – this is not a bluff.”

(emphasis mine)

[DaRude]

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"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

April 2008

Dude, you like to pose as as someone who can see things that others cannot - hate to break it to you: The US policy is very transparent, the German position on regards to it is known since ages you are just stating stuff that everyone knows years if not decades ago . Trump, who is a egomaniac even said it out loud: US does not like Germany to be a commercial partner of the RF while they depend on US for defence against them.

Your level of "analysis" and "dangerous questions". is equivalent to reading an 8 year old newspaper.

Now, you go back and read all the reasons why an RF attack is very likely (payback for EU help to Ukraine, rules of Mafia) and an US attack is very unlikely (basically an act of war to one of the few allies they have left) and try to make your case.

BTW, EU's answer to US cutting in spending while demanding more payments from EU, was "sure, but instead of paying NATO, we are going to create an EU army". Trump never raised the point again.

"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

You take them too seriously...they're just trolls and cheer for all dead Slavs, be it Ukrainians or Russians

And as you noticed, they're pretty picky which country women rights to demand, and which country women rights they don't care about

I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

Unfortunately, there are countries in which changes are possible and others in which, as of now it is not. The pressure from EU and US for social liberal policies is subject to reality checks, like most things in life.

The payback was the stop of gas flow, but keep the spigot at hand as a leverage for when it's needed the most. Here's how things are going in UK which was much less dependent of RU gas How to prepare for a power cut as Brits warned of blackouts Again point is apply pressure to reduce military help to UA. Blowing the pipeline up achieves non of the goals and removes all leverage, but we'll revisit this point come December

You seem to have missed the point yet again, as you have agreed, EU has been under pressure to come off RU gas for ages. So far piping Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Kazakhstan gas through Georgia has mostly failed, and pulling UA from RU sphere of influence for their gas and transit potential is not looking too good now either. Now ask yourself why EU didn't come off RU gas before? Was it because they just loved Putin so much, or was relationship mutually beneficial, everyone was fine with the status quo of UA being under RU's sphere (just as Kazakhstan and Belarus) and EU continuing to grow and raising their standards of living with access to cheap RU resources, because the alternative is

Rocketing energy costs are savaging German industry
Germany is bracing itself for a rough winter as soaring energy prices threaten to leave permanent scars on its manufacturing sector, a key engine of its economy.
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But energy-intensive sectors, which include chemicals, glass and metals producers, fared even worse, slumping by more than 2% from July.
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“We don’t need a crystal ball to see a further weakening of German industry in the coming months. The full impact of higher energy prices will only be felt in the last months of the year,”
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Germany’s manufacturing industry — which accounts for more than one fifth of the country’s economic output — is worried some of its companies won’t see the crisis through. Many are slashing production, while some are laying off staff and relocating parts of their operations abroad to cope.
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 “[Energy] has gone from being… a cost among others in the business to be something which has the capacity of basically closing the business down,” he said.
Energy costs at Prysmian’s six German factories are expected to soar to €20 million ($20 million) this year from just €5 million ($5 million) in 2021. Next year, costs are predicted to hit €35 million ($34 million) — a 600% rise from 2020.
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Prysmian has already made permanent cuts to its workforce. Persson said he had laid off about 10% of staff in his region, which covers Germany, Romania, Hungary and the Czech Republic, over the past three months.
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“We might consider this time as the starting point for an accelerated deindustrialization in Germany,” Eric Heymann, a senior economist at the bank, wrote in the report.
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According to a survey last month by the Confederation of European Paper Industries (CEPI), two-thirds of paper producers on the continent have cut their production, while just over half have temporarily closed.
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 “There’s a risk that essentially Germany subsidizing its glass industry will kill the Czech glass industry,” Georg Zachmann, a senior fellow at Bruegel, told CNN Business.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/07/energy/german-industry-energy-prices/index.html

Belgium Calls For A Natural Gas Price Cap To Avoid Deindustrialization
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The European Union needs to quickly intervene in its gas and energy markets, including by imposing a price cap on wholesale gas, to avoid a spiral of deindustrialization and social unrest amid sky-high energy prices, Belgium’s Prime Minister Alexander De Croo told the Financial Times in
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Belgium’s De Croo told FT that if the EU didn’t intervene in the gas market, “we are risking a massive deindustrialization of the European continent and the long-term consequences of that might actually be very deep.”
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EU could impose a hard cap on Russian gas and a flexible ceiling on LNG imports, which would still be high enough for LNG exporters to have the incentive to bring it to Europe.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Belgium-Calls-For-A-Natural-Gas-Price-Cap-To-Avoid-Deindustrialization.html

Whoa wtf now a call for ceiling on LNG imports, bite your tongue?!? What is this communism, US will not be entertained, Cheniere Energy is only up 60% this year

While we don’t know who was behind the suspected sabotage, we do know that Europe is in big trouble as the cold weather months approach.
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Europe is heading for deindustrialization.
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Stephen Bryen, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration, wrote Monday on the Jewish Policy Center’s website that there was no “corroborating or credible evidence” that the Americans blew up the pipeline, nor the Russians. Moreover, he noted that the region is a hotbed of unexploded World War II ordinance. The area is a naval firing range for numerous countries as well. Accidents happen, he said. It's not impossible.
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Secretary of State Tony Blinken is happy about it. He said recently that the U.S. has been selling LNG to Europe and that has “helped compensate for any loss of oil and gas due to Russia’s aggression against Ukraine and we have established a task force to work directly with Europe to decrease demand and get through the winter…and find a way to speed up their transition to renewables.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2022/10/05/nord-stream-whodunnit-may-never-be-known-what-is-known-europe-energy-in-deep-crisis-mode/?sh=2533d0c61cca

  yeah not even idiot would believe Russia would blow up it's own pipeline, so we're back to the 2nd best alternative, spontaneous synchronized accident with 4 explosions, maybe unexploded WW2 ordinance, if you don't believe that, the next alternative is

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The good news for Russians is that the "open field" makes it easy for them to run away.

And for the snipers to have a clear shot at the Orc Slaves backs.
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You cannot possibly be against killing while fantasizing about snipers killing people in their backs while they run away!

[DaRude]

But it would be phenomenal if Zelensky got this prize after his recent statements about NATO "preemptive strikes" against Russia.
Any reasonable person understands that such actions can lead to a nuclear apocalypse and the destruction of all life on the planet.

Quit making shit up.

In a speech on Oct. 6, President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that NATO’s goal was to make it impossible for Russia to use nuclear weapons. He made a broad appeal, stating: “I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russians] know what will happen to them and not vice versa.”

Top Russian officials, including Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the foreign minister, and Dmitry Peskov, a spokesperson for the Kremlin, charged Zelensky with inciting nuclear war.

Trying to provide reassurance that Ukraine would never advocate the deployment of nuclear weapons, Zelensky’s spokesperson Serhii Nykyforov clarified that the president was in fact referring to precautionary sanctions to be implemented prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion.

“Colleagues, you have come a little far away with your nuclear hysteria and now you hear nuclear strikes even where that was not said. The president spoke about the period until February 24. Then it was necessary to apply measures to prevent Russia from starting a war. Let me remind you that the only measures that were discussed at that time were preventative sanctions,” Nykyforov stressed.

“Only the terrorist state of Russia allows itself to blackmail the world… and hint in every possible way at the use of nuclear weapons. You will never hear such calls from Ukraine,” he added.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the President’s Office, said that Zelensky didn’t mention anything about a preemptive nuclear strike and that it was just another Russian fake.

“Another Russian fake. Not a single word from Zelensky about a preemptive nuclear strike on the Russian Federation,” Podolyak said. “Zelensky just reminded listeners of Russian nuclear blackmail and suggested that the world preemptively outline the consequences for Russia and strengthen strikes against the Russian Federation – sanctions and armed assistance.

For his part, Russian president Vladimir Putin has already threatened the Ukrainian counteroffensive with nuclear weapons.

On Sep. 21, Putin made a veiled nuclear weapons reference, stating: “When its territorial integrity is threatened, Russia will use everything it can – this is not a bluff.”

(emphasis mine)

Lol kyivpost really? Did you just give up on any attempts at finding any resemblance of an unbiased source? Sounds like desperate attempt at a damage control, could we get a full transcript of the speech in its original, shouldn't be too hard to translate and see what was really said

[suchmoon]

Lol kyivpost really? Did you just give up on any attempts at finding any resemblance of an unbiased source? Sounds like desperate attempt at a damage control, could we get a full transcript of the speech in its original, shouldn't be too hard to translate and see what was really said

The source is not Kyiv Post, the source is the president's office.

Given that Ukraine doesn't have nukes and Russia does and Putler never did any "damage control" on his threats to use them, the accusation that Zelensky is starting a nuclear war is about as absurd as all the other Kremlin fantasies.

[BADecker]

There goes Zelensky, on his way to starting WW3 or whatever number it really is. What a cocky little son of a gun!

I suppose. What else could he do? The Ukraine is so far lost that he's probably tired of all this playing around. He knows he is going down, so do it with a splash. At least the world will remember him for a week or two.


Power-Mad Brinksmanship: Zelensky Demands "Pre-Emptive Strikes" on Russia

Speaking via video link to the Australian Lowy Institute, Zelensky made his seemingly insane comments in response to a question from Lowy executive director Michael Fullilove.

"Mr. President, in your remarks you mentioned nuclear blackmail," Fullilove said. "Mr. Putin told us the other day that he's not bluffing. So may I ask you, do you believe that the likelihood of the use of Russian nuclear weapons against Ukraine has risen, and what more do you want NATO to do to deter Russia from using nuclear weapons?"

Zelensky replied that NATO should "eliminate the possibility of Russia using nuclear weapons".

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Tucker Carlson: This is insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MJDvr-1Z-A

[DaRude]

Lol kyivpost really? Did you just give up on any attempts at finding any resemblance of an unbiased source? Sounds like desperate attempt at a damage control, could we get a full transcript of the speech in its original, shouldn't be too hard to translate and see what was really said

The source is not Kyiv Post, the source is the president's office.

Given that Ukraine doesn't have nukes and Russia does and Putler never did any "damage control" on his threats to use them, the accusation that Zelensky is starting a nuclear war is about as absurd as all the other Kremlin fantasies.

Now you're playing dumb and pretending to not even realize that Z was talking about what NATO should do? Not a good look

"Кaк этo былo дo 24 фeвpaля — пpeвeнтивныe yдapы. Чтoбы oни знaли. чтo c ними бyдeт, ecли oни иcпoльзyют [ядepнoe opyжиe], a нe нaoбopoт: ждaть ядepныx yдapoв Poccии, чтoбы пoтoм cкaзaть "Ax, ты тaк? Hy вoт пoлyчaй oт нac", — пoдчepкнyл пpeзидeнт. — Пepecмoтpeть пpимeнeниe cвoeгo дaвлeния — вoт чтo, я cчитaю, дoлжнo дeлaть HATO: пepecмoтpeть пopядoк пpимeнeния".

https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/532089-nato-dolzhno-nanesti-po-rossii-preventivnye-udary-zelenskiy-video

"Like it was before February 24 - pre-emptive strikes. So that they know what will happen to them if they use [nuclear weapons], and not vice versa: wait for Russian nuclear strikes, then to say," Oh, are you so? Well, take it from us," the President stressed. "Reconsider the application of its pressure - that's what I think NATO should do: reconsider the application."

Best argument i can see here is perhaps google translate got it wrong too?

“I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russians] know what will happen to them [??] and not vice versa.”

https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/zelensky-reference-to-preemptive-strikes-forces-staff-to-clarify-statement.html

Did Kyivpost straight up misquoted Z and just removed insinuation to nukes "if they use [nuclear weapons]" or did google translate added it? And then conveniently removed the ending of and not vice versa wait for a nuke and then say take it from us? Conveniently loosing more context?

You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou

[BADecker]

Now we lost track of the Belgorod Russian sub. This is the sub with the 6 Poseidon nuclear torpedoes that can cause 1,600 foot high, radioactive tsunami waves if they are detonated off the coast. And they move under water so fast that we can barely track them, to say nothing about defending against them. And we lost track of the sub in polar waters.

Well, that shouldn't really be a big deal, right? After all, ancient Tartaria of the lands that we call Russia and Siberia ruled the world thousands of years ago. Why not again, now?


The Belgorod Nuclear Submarine Was Completely Off Our Radar. Shouldn't We Keep Track of That?

Do you remember those nuclear torpedoes Russia has that TOP covered some time ago? Well, it looks like six of them are "out there," and we had no idea where.

Within the past few days, NATO issued a warning that the Belgorod – the largest submarine built within the past 40 years and equipped with the Russian Poseidon Unmanned Underwater Vehicle – had disappeared from the Arctic Circle.

There is one main theory we've seen covered so far with where the Belgorod is going: it's heading to the Kara Sea, where it's preparing to test the Poseidon in the Arctic Circle.

Whether it is or isn't, this doesn't bode well.

Remember that the Poseidon creates a nuclear tsunami, with a wall of radioactive water 1600 feet high. Also, remember that the Poseidon travels so fast – 108 knots – that it's largely deemed to be unstoppable once it's released.

On October 5th, Naval News confirmed (with quite a bit of sarcasm) that the Belgorod was indeed in the Arctic, in the Barents Sea. However, they could not rule out whether or not the Belgorod was there to perform a nuclear test.

Isn't something this powerful a thing we should keep track of?

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[suchmoon]

Best argument i can see here is perhaps google translate got it wrong too?

We're pretending now that you can't read Russian?

What he seems to be saying is that (unlike sanctions after invasion) pressure needs to be applied to Russia to discourage it from using nuclear weapons, and not wait until it uses them (like sanctions after invasion). FWIW I don't think that makes much sense because Putin is about as irrational as it gets and doesn't need a reason or discouragement to use or not to use nukes, but nowhere in that sentence does Zelensky call for a preemptive nuclear strike. He's talking about preventing a nuclear strike.

You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou

I've never said or implied any of that, so it seems that you've ran out of arguments on the subject if you need to resort to making more shit up. I've pointed out that his office explained his position... whether he misspoke or was misunderstood or mistranslated or was just plain wrong - is irrelevant, and continuing to push the idea that he wants to start a nuclear war is absurd. And FFS make up your mind - is Zelia NATO/EU puppet, or is he puppeting NATO?

As for his holiness: I've pointed out many times that Kremlin's obsession with Zelensky's persona and every word he says (or Kremlin makes up about him) doesn't make sense and seems to be based on Putin's "tsar" image. That's not how a real president's office - with term limits and whatnot - works. Zelensky will be gone and Ukraine will still not love Russia. Go figure.

[DaRude]

Lol kyivpost really? Did you just give up on any attempts at finding any resemblance of an unbiased source? Sounds like desperate attempt at a damage control, could we get a full transcript of the speech in its original, shouldn't be too hard to translate and see what was really said

The source is not Kyiv Post, the source is the president's office.

Given that Ukraine doesn't have nukes and Russia does and Putler never did any "damage control" on his threats to use them, the accusation that Zelensky is starting a nuclear war is about as absurd as all the other Kremlin fantasies.

Now you're playing dumb and pretending to not even realize that Z was talking about what NATO should do? Not a good look

"Кaк этo былo дo 24 фeвpaля — пpeвeнтивныe yдapы. Чтoбы oни знaли. чтo c ними бyдeт, ecли oни иcпoльзyют [ядepнoe opyжиe], a нe нaoбopoт: ждaть ядepныx yдapoв Poccии, чтoбы пoтoм cкaзaть "Ax, ты тaк? Hy вoт пoлyчaй oт нac", — пoдчepкнyл пpeзидeнт. — Пepecмoтpeть пpимeнeниe cвoeгo дaвлeния — вoт чтo, я cчитaю, дoлжнo дeлaть HATO: пepecмoтpeть пopядoк пpимeнeния".

https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/532089-nato-dolzhno-nanesti-po-rossii-preventivnye-udary-zelenskiy-video

"Like it was before February 24 - pre-emptive strikes. So that they know what will happen to them if they use [nuclear weapons], and not vice versa: wait for Russian nuclear strikes, then to say," Oh, are you so? Well, take it from us," the President stressed. "Reconsider the application of its pressure - that's what I think NATO should do: reconsider the application."

Best argument i can see here is perhaps google translate got it wrong too?

“I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russians] know what will happen to them [??] and not vice versa.”

https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/zelensky-reference-to-preemptive-strikes-forces-staff-to-clarify-statement.html

Did Kyivpost straight up misquoted Z and just removed insinuation to nukes "if they use [nuclear weapons]" or did google translate added it? And then conveniently removed the ending of and not vice versa wait for a nuke and then say take it from us? Conveniently loosing more context?

You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou

We're pretending now that you can't read Russian?

What he seems to be saying is that (unlike sanctions after invasion) pressure needs to be applied to Russia to discourage it from using nuclear weapons, and not wait until it uses them (like sanctions after invasion). FWIW I don't think that makes much sense because Putin is about as irrational as it gets and doesn't need a reason or discouragement to use or not to use nukes, but nowhere in that sentence does Zelensky call for a preemptive nuclear strike. He's talking about preventing a nuclear strike.

You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou

I've never said or implied any of that, so it seems that you've ran out of arguments on the subject if you need to resort to making more shit up. I've pointed out that his office explained his position... whether he misspoke or was misunderstood or mistranslated or was just plain wrong - is irrelevant, and continuing to push the idea that he wants to start a nuclear war is absurd. And FFS make up your mind - is Zelia NATO/EU puppet, or is he puppeting NATO?

As for his holiness: I've pointed out many times that Kremlin's obsession with Zelensky's persona and every word he says (or Kremlin makes up about him) doesn't make sense and seems to be based on Putin's "tsar" image. That's not how a real president's office - with term limits and whatnot - works. Zelensky will be gone and Ukraine will still not love Russia. Go figure.

So by once again evading the question i take it's safe to assume that Kyiv Post totally fucked up the quote for damage control. We went from not a single word about preemptive nuke strike, to misquote by Kyiv post, to (mic drop) Ukraine doesn't have nukes, and now to here's what I think he seems to be saying  

We get what you think Z seems to be saying, instead of quoting him correctly Kiev Post gave it's interpretation of what Z "seems to be saying", his office explaining what Z seems to be saying, pretty much everything but what Z actually said. Is there no proper transcript of the full question and full answer without taking words out and changing context?



Edit:

“Mr President, in your remarks you mentioned nuclear blackmail,” the host said.

“Mr Putin told us the other day that he’s not bluffing. So may I ask you, do you believe that the likelihood of the use of Russian nuclear weapons against Ukraine has risen, and what more do you want NATO to do to deter Russia from using nuclear weapons?”

Mr Zelensky replied that NATO should “eliminate the possibility of Russia using nuclear weapons”.

“But what is important, I once again appeal to the international community, as I did before February 24 – we need pre-emptive strikes, so that they’ll know what will happen to them if they use nukes, and not the other way around,” he said.

“Don’t wait for Russia’s nuclear strikes, and then say, ‘Oh, since you did this, take that from us!’ Reconsider the way you apply pressure. This is what NATO should do – reconsider the order in which it applies pressure [on Russia].”

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/zelensky-calls-for-preemptive-strike-against-russia-in-speech-to-lowy-institute/news-story/80b4cd30b1ac06298d995ce96950d744
Are Aussies making shit up for Putin too now?

So to the question "...what more do you want NATO to do to deter Russia from using nuclear weapons" the answer "...we need pre-emptive strikes, so that they’ll know what will happen to them if they use nukes, and not the other way around..."
and you're trying to spin this as if he was talking in past tense, like as if he was answering what NATO should've done before Feb 24??  

[af_newbie]

The Crimean bridge is 'out of service'.

Sorry for the inconvenience. ROFL.

[icopress]

Great weekend to everyone