Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[TwitchySeal]

Putin's goals:

"De-Nazify" Ukraine: Failed
"Liberate" East Ukraine: Failing
Avoid general mobilisation: Failed
Divide the EU: Failed
Protect RU economical interests: Failed

You forgot "stop NATO expansion".

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[DaRude]

Don't believe i ever claimed that AfD still has it's original leadership or didn't become more radical/right since 2013. Great history, but how is that relevant to the current point or is it just a weak straw man attempt? Explain again how your (or mine or anyone for that matter) personal feeling are relevant here? Do you feel there are many sane people in Giorgia Meloni party? Does it somehow change the fact that she won and "current" AfD is getting more and more support currently sitting at 15%? Looks like they've been calling themselves Eurosceptic since 2013, and called for Dexit at least since 2019.

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super clear only you do realize it's "possible" for them to do so right this second if they wanted to, and what Ukraine is asking for. But we both know that there's a cost to that (lost jobs, bankrupt industries, loss to competitive advantage, inflation, other financial repercussion, social and political unrest etc etc etc...), and clearly so far Germany has decided that the cost of that outweighs the current benefits. When will the balance tip to closure who knows, but the other huge unknown is the weather. How long do you keep you industries running before cutting them off in order to build some buffer for home usage? Do you plan for an average winter? 3yr coldest? 5yr coldest? 10yr? What do you do if winter is unusually cold, or at least colder than you prepared for? What happens if you shut off gas for industrial use too soon and winter turns out to be mild?

All well-rehearsed Kremlin bullet points, except most people in Germany don't fall for that BS and tend to think increasingly more like 1miau, who happens to be from Germany, I mean what a shocking turn of events this is not.



(the poll question is "should we support Ukraine despite rising energy costs")

All of your points rely on NordStream just being a useless pipeline, can you then explain the tweet by former Polish Deputy Minister of National Defense/Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs and current elected member of the European parliament Radoslaw Sikorski thanking USA, is Poland supporting Russia now?

Still not getting how the whole freedom of speech / democracy thing works, are you? Hint: in normal non-Putin countries people, even MEPs, often have differing opinions, make stupid jokes, or could simply be wrong.

Good job, did you figure out that 15% < most, all by yourself or someone helped you? If most Germans already (in the beginning of October!) thought otherwise we probably wouldn't have this conversation. Any way, how does that poll compare to actual results of more people voting for ultra right parties that support buying more resources from Russia?

But if you like polls so much how about this one?

New poll signals Americans are growing tired of support for Ukraine without diplomacy as the war against Russia drags on
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The poll found that a majority of Americans want the US to pursue diplomatic negotiations to end the war ASAP.
The poll also showed that many Americans are concerned about the financial costs of the conflict.
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According to a poll conducted by the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and Data for Progress, 57% of likely voters strongly or somewhat support the US pursuing diplomatic negotiations as soon as possible to end the war in Ukraine, even if it requires Ukraine making compromises with Russia. Just 32% of respondents were strongly or somewhat opposed to this.

And nearly half of the respondents (47%) said they only support the continuation of US military aid to Ukraine if the US is involved in ongoing diplomacy to end the war, while 41% said they support the continuation of US military aid to Ukraine whether the US is involved in ongoing diplomacy or not.

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-signals-americans-growing-tired-140000496.html

Haha good angle, US couldn't possibly had anything to do with NordStream only Putin Orc propaganda trolls could possibly claim anything otherwise. What a member of EU parliament thanked US for blown NS?!? Well, he must be either joking, or just plain wrong, just pick yourself whichever you want to believe in more  

Looks like they've been calling themselves Eurosceptic since 2013, and called for Dexit at least since 2019.

14 Apr 2013 The Guardian

Joachim Starbatty speaks out as breakaway Eurosceptic party Alternative für Deutschland holds founding conference
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One of Germany's most eminent economists has called for the swift dissolution of the eurozone in its present form, arguing that the vision of a united Europe is in danger of imploding if debt-ridden countries are not shown the door.
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Therefore it would be better if these countries that are not competitive, like Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, etc, were to leave." An alternative, he argued, would be for Germany to leave.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/14/german-economist-eurozone-eu

06.09.2013 Spiegel

Anti-Euro Party Surges Before Election
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By sticking to its simple, euroskeptic line, the AfD has inhabited a gap in the political market.
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When asked whether the anti-euro party could enter the Bundestag, Schöppner says: "That's impossible for me to say."

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/alternative-for-germany-anti-euro-party-could-upset-german-election-a-920805.html

You are making that mistake again: one or even a few people in a party demanding one thing isn’t the party line at all.  
If you think AfD has been of one and the same opinion in 2013, you are misguided. Even the fascist Bernd Höcke has been into AfD in 2013. But politicians demanding to break away from the EU / supporting far right propaganda were a minority back then and their opinions weren’t the party line back then. The party line in 2013 was to reform the EU, not leave it. 
The party line later shifted to abolish the EU, but that wasn’t the party line in 2013.
In addition: Eurosceptic ≠ Break away from the EU
Eurosceptic: sceptical of how Euro is managed by ECB, sceptical how the European Parliament is making politics, sceptical how Germany was paying money to Italy / Greece....
Things are much more nuanced than in your limited world view.

13 Jan 2019 The Guardian

AfD party votes to campaign for German exit from EU
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The decision on Sunday marks the first time any party has called for “Dexit” – a German departure from the EU in the mould of Brexit.
If the EU is not reshaped in line with the party’s ideas “in an appropriate timeframe”, Germany must leave the bloc, according to the draft manifesto for the forthcoming European parliament elections agreed by delegates at a party congress in the eastern state of Saxony.
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Congress attendees also voted through a call to abolish the European parliament – the very body that AfD candidates will be campaigning to join this spring.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/afd-party-to-campaign-for-german-exit-from-european-union

Exactly, 2019, the party line was to abolish the EU.
2013 ≠ 2019

NATO Vows Retaliation for Attacks on Infrastructure
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NATO vowed retaliation Thursday for attacks on the critical infrastructure of its 30 member nations, while strongly suggesting the rupture of two Baltic Sea pipelines meant to send natural gas from Russia to Germany was the direct result of sabotage.

Ambassadors to NATO, the West's key military alliance, said in a statement, "Any deliberate attack against allies' critical infrastructure would be met with a united and determined response." They said four ruptures in the pipelines were of "deep concern."

https://www.voanews.com/a/nato-vows-retaliation-for-attacks-on-infrastructure-blames-sabotage-for-pipe-blasts-/6769142.html

First thing: it's a general comment on critical NATO infrastructure of its 30 member nations.
Second thing: attacking NATO infrastructure should not be accepted at all and it doesn't matter if it's obsolete soon or newly build (or both  ).

You're making a mistake thinking anyone should blindly trust an anonymous forum member claiming to be German over "limited" internationally recognized sources, but looks like you found someone that would do just that.

I'm not sure why you keep on attacking the straw man that you built yourself. Not sure how i can make it any clearer, let me spell it out hopefully one last time I do not know, nor care what AfD stood for in 2013 or how much it changed since then, I only cited their current political position and their growing support. Seems you have some personal grievances with the party, and feel the need to discuss how the party has historically changed since 2013?

Republican politician Marjorie Taylor Greene has sparked controversy by saying that she does not believe Russian president Vladimir Putin is behind the sabotage of the two Nord Stream pipelines.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/marjorie-taylor-greene-pushes-theory-putin-not-behind-nord-stream-sabotage/ar-AA12xh5q

How many more seats do you think US ultra rights will get in November  

[suchmoon]

Haha good angle, US couldn't possibly had anything to do with NordStream only Putin Orc propaganda trolls could possibly claim anything otherwise. What a member of EU parliament thanked US for blown NS?!? Well, he must be either joking, or just plain wrong, just pick yourself whichever you want to believe in more  

I still don't think you have a good grasp on what "a member of EU parliament" is or does and how much insight into a presumably top-secret conspiracy they might have. Here is some more top secret leaked info from Sikorski:



Still want to believe that his tweet is proof that the US blew up the pipeline?  

[BADecker]

Haha good angle, US couldn't possibly had anything to do with NordStream only Putin Orc propaganda trolls could possibly claim anything otherwise. What a member of EU parliament thanked US for blown NS?!? Well, he must be either joking, or just plain wrong, just pick yourself whichever you want to believe in more  

I still don't think you have a good grasp on what "a member of EU parliament" is or does and how much insight into a presumably top-secret conspiracy they might have. Here is some more top secret leaked info from Sikorski:

https://meem.link/i/rxy3irux.png

Still want to believe that his tweet is proof that the US blew up the pipeline?  

That Russian passport was IN the pipeline, where the Russian welder dropped it by accident.

I mean. I could have said that it was a CIA plant, but we all know that the CIA would never do anything that dishonest, right?

[suchmoon]

Some more telegram entertainment.

New-ish Kremlin talking point is that Ukrainians have a massive advantage in the number of troops. It's being used to justify pretty much everything - giving up town after town, the need for mobilization, and of course the fantastic tales of 200-300 Ukrainians being killed every time Ivan fires a rifle.

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As in other areas, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to realize their multiple advantage in the number of personnel

But there is a bit of a problem... you can't say that when you need to "motivate" the meat to go into the meat grinder. Literally the next post in the same channel:

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I repeat once again, we have forces for defense. The [Ukrainian forces] did not create an overwhelming superiority in manpower, and even more so in technology.

A new excuse for losing, haven't seen this one before:

The guys from the field massively report that our tactical insignia were applied to [Ukrainian] equipment, i.e. "Z" and "V", which caused confusion in the first hours of the battle, when the front collapsed.

Brilliant.

[1miau]

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You're making a mistake thinking anyone should blindly trust an anonymous forum member claiming to be German over "limited" internationally recognized sources, but looks like you found someone that would do just that.

I'm German, you can check my post history any time.

I'm not sure why you keep on attacking the straw man that you built yourself. Not sure how i can make it any clearer, let me spell it out hopefully one last time I do not know, nor care what AfD stood for in 2013 or how much it changed since then, I only cited their current political position and their growing support. Seems you have some personal grievances with the party, and feel the need to discuss how the party has historically changed since 2013?

Well, I don't like the fascist Bernd Höcke and his Nazi friends because, well, I know about his positions and the interesting things he has said and done so far.
Back in the early 2010er years, someone wrote 3 articles for an ultra right magazine, linked to the political party NPD, the sucessor of NSDAP (Hitler's party). The guy who wrote the articles used a different name (Landolf Ladig) but later, there was overwhelming proof that Bernd Höcke wrote these texts.
Someone randomly analyzed speeches and texts from Höcke and found some weird words. The analyzer didn't know what that word would mean exactly, so he googled it and got only 1 search result: a similar nationalistic text published in a NPD magazine.
He got curious if there's a link between the author of the text in that NPD magazine and Bernd Höcke and there were far more similarities.
In addition, the magazine is published only a few villages away from where Höcke lives.
The story is very interesting and so far, Bernd Höcke couldn't disprove the obvious claims, that he wrote the NPD articles: https://krautreporter.de/2769-was-bjorn-hocke-in-einer-npd-zeitschrift-schrieb-als-er-noch-nicht-im-rampenlicht-stand
The articles in that NPD magazine reveal Höckes true goals.
And these people are at least controlling the eastern part of AfD.
But his voters don't care. 

And please, can you stop producing massive payramid quotes? 

[suchmoon]

I was hoping they would invent some new amusing ways to describe their newest failure but it's the old boring "regrouping".



Or as our 15-ruble military experts put it:

I want to say that raising the flag over Vysokopolye and taking three more villages (by the way, which ones?) is too thin a result for a week of suicidal attacks on an open field as part of a counteroffensive that has been prepared since the beginning of summer.

The good news for Russians is that the "open field" makes it easy for them to run away.

[paxmao]

I was hoping they would invent some new amusing ways to describe their newest failure but it's the old boring "regrouping".



Or as our 15-ruble military experts put it:

I want to say that raising the flag over Vysokopolye and taking three more villages (by the way, which ones?) is too thin a result for a week of suicidal attacks on an open field as part of a counteroffensive that has been prepared since the beginning of summer.

The good news for Russians is that the "open field" makes it easy for them to run away.

And for the snipers to have a clear shot at the Orc Slaves backs.

Ukraine's tactics are improving. From replying to every artillery shot with a shot to striking the single failure points of the Slave Orc's supply lines to the point that they cannot be reinforced nor resupplied. I wonder who is advising them and providing all that intelligence... one could think that Ukraine has its own satellite network uh?

[DaRude]

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December is only 2 months away, if the political will to buy RU gas will build up come winter but now Germany will be forced to buy RU gas through Ukraine, will you admit then that you were wrong in your assessment and that it definitely would've been much easier if Germany could arrange for deliveries through NS directly without involving UA?

But then again your covered yourself nicely with assertion of RU acting in irrational manner. That's a nice cover to literally explain any and all possible actions that disadvantage RU as doing of RU itself...

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You need to read more carefully - in what you or I would think is irrational. The Mafia world has its own rules.

No, if Germany buys gas from RF through any means that Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU - nothing else - it makes no difference to the point.

If Ukraine falls under the influence of the Orcs Adolf holds the key, if not Ukraine is a partner in the EU. In any of those cases, Germany should have learnt the lesson and have a plan B in the future to avoid being blackmailed by RF or, if it really should come to it in a million years, by Ukraine.

Germany has made a mistake when appreciating the real control and reliability of Adolf Putin as a commercial partner. They should know better in the future, even if they decide to keep using cheap RF gas, they will need the plan B and a progressive energetic transition (which is anyway needed).

"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

April 2008

President Bush threw the NATO summit meeting here off-script on Wednesday by lobbying hard to extend membership to Ukraine and Georgia, but he failed to rally support for the move among key allies.
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Mr. Bush’s position — that Ukraine and Georgia should be welcomed into a Membership Action Plan, or MAP, that prepares nations for NATO membership — directly contradicted German and French government positions stated earlier this week. It also risked upsetting efforts to get Russia to soften its opposition to positioning a missile defense array in Eastern Europe.
Mr. Bush failed to win over a consensus of NATO members in a debate at a dinner of NATO leaders, a senior German official said Wednesday night, with at least seven countries lined up against him.
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As Mr. Bush did more often early in his presidency, he expressed his views candidly despite warnings from allies that he was complicating efforts to find diplomatic solutions.
Normally, summit meetings like this are prescripted, but Mr. Bush’s comments added some extra interest while annoying Germany and France, which had said they would block the invitation to Ukraine and Georgia.
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Some German officials described the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, as upset and even angry on Wednesday. She and Mr. Bush have talked repeatedly about the issue in the past two months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/world/europe/03nato.html

The US has been spying on German Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone since 2002, according to a report in Der Spiegel magazine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24690055

August 2008

Georgia's oil pipeline is key to U.S. support
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Georgia's pipeline: It allows the West to reduce its reliance on Middle Eastern oil, bypassing Russia and Iran
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There is more than meets the eye to the frantic U.S. efforts Friday to talk Russia and American ally Georgia out of war over an obscure mountain tract most Americans have never heard of.
A look at the map and your gas credit card bill shows why.
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The breakaway province of South Ossetia is claimed by Georgia, a former Soviet republic that cast its lot with the United States and the West to the eternal irritation of Moscow. But South Ossetia has resisted Georgia's rule and has been under Russia's sway for years.
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A U.S.-backed oil pipeline runs through Georgia, allowing the West to reduce its reliance on Middle Eastern oil while bypassing Russia and Iran.
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The pipeline that crosses Georgia can pump slightly more than 1 million barrels of crude oil per day, or more than 1 percent of the world's daily crude output. The 1,100-mile pipeline carries oil from Azerbaijan's Caspian Sea fields, estimated to hold the world's third-largest reserves.
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Most of the oil is bound for Western Europe, where gas prices are even higher than the $4 and more a gallon that U.S. consumers are now paying. With only so much oil to go around, what the pipeline carries affects prices elsewhere. The United States also hopes it will be a model for other development projects that could have a more direct effect on the U.S. market.
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U.S diplomats refer to these neighborhood squabbles as "frozen conflicts," a euphemism that belies the long-recognized threat that seemingly petty disputes can easily provoke a wider war.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Georgia-s-oil-pipeline-is-key-to-U-S-support-3201499.php



Now take a wild guess which country holds/held? the second largest gas reserves in Europe after Norway and transited more natural gas than any other country in the world? Here's a hint The Yuzivska gas field is an unconventional Ukrainian natural gas field that was discovered in 2010...Region: Donetsk Oblast Kharkiv Oblast

And in 2013 we have American cookies in Ukraine supporting the coup against RU leaning UA president


What amazing coincidences, ok so if RU is #1 in world gas reserves, lets check on who is #2, I'm sure things must be amazing there right no... oh right it's Iran, July 27, 2022 Iran’s natural gas exports revenues in the four months to late July have exceeded figures reported for the entire calendar year to March what a great time to start worrying about women rights there, can someone ask Saudis not to stone any women to death or dismember any journalist this month?

[Branko]

"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

You take them too seriously...they're just trolls and cheer for all dead Slavs, be it Ukrainians or Russians

And as you noticed, they're pretty picky which country women rights to demand, and which country women rights they don't care about

[paxmao]

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"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

April 2008

Dude, you like to pose as as someone who can see things that others cannot - hate to break it to you: The US policy is very transparent, the German position on regards to it is known since ages you are just stating stuff that everyone knows years if not decades ago . Trump, who is a egomaniac even said it out loud: US does not like Germany to be a commercial partner of the RF while they depend on US for defence against them.

Your level of "analysis" and "dangerous questions". is equivalent to reading an 8 year old newspaper.

Now, you go back and read all the reasons why an RF attack is very likely (payback for EU help to Ukraine, rules of Mafia) and an US attack is very unlikely (basically an act of war to one of the few allies they have left) and try to make your case.

BTW, EU's answer to US cutting in spending while demanding more payments from EU, was "sure, but instead of paying NATO, we are going to create an EU army". Trump never raised the point again.

"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

You take them too seriously...they're just trolls and cheer for all dead Slavs, be it Ukrainians or Russians

And as you noticed, they're pretty picky which country women rights to demand, and which country women rights they don't care about

I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

Unfortunately, there are countries in which changes are possible and others in which, as of now it is not. The pressure from EU and US for social liberal policies is subject to reality checks, like most things in life.

[tvbcof]

Out for a while.  Got back and re-evaluating.  I feel it time for another explainer on what is actually going on for those who get most of their info from the [J/N]ews.

As I said near the start of this thing, Russia has no reason to have any interest in most areas of Ukroidistan.  Who (aside from a particular tribe who embrace a religion which celebrates genocide) would want anything to do with a underdeveloped shit-hole full of nazis and scammers?  It makes no sense and never did.

NATO had their Ukroid tools play weak in hopes that Russia would over-extend.  As I predicted, Russia didn't.  They more or less sat on their hands for months and let the people who really wanted to fight (Wagner, Chechens, etc) do the minimal attacks.  Of course they picked off massive numbers of Ukdroids and armor with distance techniques.

When the Russians did move back they just use the Mongolian defense strategy of vacating and wiping out the attackers en-mass.  In addition to the creation of future 'cauldrons' thehe happy side effects of this are two-fold:

 - The waves of attacking Ukriods (and more and more, NATO) make a target rich environment.

 - The mock-victories give the dumb-fucks a false sense of progress and they act in an even more reckless way.  Arranging this scenario in more than one place simultaneously more than doubles the effect as NATO has to split the depleted resources (primarily Slavic biomass) down even more.

There are several reasons why the killed ratio is almost certainly better than 10/1 in Russia's favor.  One is simple skill, patience, and tactics.  The other, as I've said before, is that to the Ziocon designers the ratio is not a bug; it's a feature.

Russia probably does want and probably will have Kharkiv as a buffer zone at the least.  And they will get it without a fight.  They seem to be following my own cynical advice from some months ago:  Let the NaZiocons back in to oversea the secret police murders and a dark cold winter while their now-Russian former neighbors fill themselves on piping hot borscht.  Internal revolution by spring.  Just have to make sure that if there is a 'peace deal', it includes a referendum in Kharkiv.

It remains as much a mystery to me as ever whether the Russians will take Odessa.  If they don't I will be even more suspicious that this thing has been a scheme all along to arrange for what (((they))) refer to as the 'Heavenly Jerusalem Project' and Putin has been in on it all along.  The wanton depopulation of the Slavic populations in terms of the 'tactics' employed by the leadership it's already pretty suspicious.

[Branko]

I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

Unfortunately, there are countries in which changes are possible and others in which, as of now it is not. The pressure from EU and US for social liberal policies is subject to reality checks, like most things in life.

Tell that to someone else...your comments sound like you have orgasms over death of Russians...and I'm pretty sure
you don't care about Ukrainians, its just not opportunistic because of current "reality check"

[BADecker]

Out for a while.  Got back and re-evaluating.  I feel it time for another explainer on what is actually going on for those who get most of their info from the [J/N]ews.

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I think you are too conservative. It seems that Russia's submarine, the Belgorod, has left port and is sailing... where?

If this is only a Russian test, great. But we don't know that. Of course, the US navy doesn't reveal most of what they know.

The point being that the Belgorod might be moving into position to launch its Poseidon torpedoes... if it hasn't already launched them, and the Belgorod is simply out there watching over its 'brood'.

Anyway, this whole Russia vs. US thing is becoming very unfunny.

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I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

It's wonderful to see this attitude. Many of us who have had reasonable life success are not really in favor of this attitude.

In history, especially before the advent of the gun, many people (millions or billions) have looked into the eyes of the person running the sword through their abdomen, and saluted their enemy mentally, before they died and existed no longer.

Millions - maybe billions. So, I salute you that you can have this 'peace' attitude, even if (as) it kills you.

[paxmao]

I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

Unfortunately, there are countries in which changes are possible and others in which, as of now it is not. The pressure from EU and US for social liberal policies is subject to reality checks, like most things in life.

Tell that to someone else...your comments sound like you have orgasms over death of Russians...and I'm pretty sure
you don't care about Ukrainians, its just not opportunistic because of current "reality check"

I care about all people in general - more about the ones I consider closer. I have Ukrainian friends and one Russian friend and whish the no harm, nor for that matter anything bad to anyone on reason of ideology, ethnicity or origin.

The reason why I graphically describe the likely end of RF soldiers in the Ukrainian front is because I want anyone who still reads this to understand the crude reality of the front and the fact that they will die for nothing. RF citizens have the right to the truth and it is not their government of the trolls here who will give it to them.

Out for a while.  Got back and re-evaluating.  I feel it time for another explainer on what is actually going on for those who get most of their info from the [J/N]ews.

As I said near the start of this thing, Russia has no reason to have any interest in most areas of Ukroidistan.  Who (aside from a particular tribe who embrace a religion which celebrates genocide) would want anything to do with a underdeveloped shit-hole full of nazis and scammers?  It makes no sense and never did.

NATO had their Ukroid tools play weak in hopes that Russia would over-extend.  As I predicted, Russia didn't.  They more or less sat on their hands for months and let the people who really wanted to fight (Wagner, Chechens, etc) do the minimal attacks.  Of course they picked off massive numbers of Ukdroids and armor with distance techniques.

When the Russians did move back they just use the Mongolian defense strategy of vacating and wiping out the attackers en-mass.  In addition to the creation of future 'cauldrons' thehe happy side effects of this are two-fold:

 - The waves of attacking Ukriods (and more and more, NATO) make a target rich environment.

 - The mock-victories give the dumb-fucks a false sense of progress and they act in an even more reckless way.  Arranging this scenario in more than one place simultaneously more than doubles the effect as NATO has to split the depleted resources (primarily Slavic biomass) down even more.

There are several reasons why the killed ratio is almost certainly better than 10/1 in Russia's favor.  One is simple skill, patience, and tactics.  The other, as I've said before, is that to the Ziocon designers the ratio is not a bug; it's a feature.
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It remains as much a mystery to me as ever whether the Russians will take Odessa.  If they don't I will be even more suspicious that this thing has been a scheme all along to arrange for what (((they))) refer to as the 'Heavenly Jerusalem Project' and Putin has been in on it all along.  The wanton depopulation of the Slavic populations in terms of the 'tactics' employed by the leadership it's already pretty suspicious.

You mean... All the orcs running away is a trap! Oh... how are we so blind thinking that RF army is on the run and Adolf Putin enslaving new untrained and unwilling recruits is just because this operation is botched and has failed miserably... you are right, Ukraine has to stop and surrender.

Now that I think of it, how do you surrender to someone who is running the other way? You would need to run after them... that's it! The Ukrainian army is surrendering en-mass, they just have to run faster to let the Orcs know.

Yes! RF will take Odessa. They will rebuild the Moskva in a week, go back to Snake Island and then take Odessa no doubt.

Out for a while.  Got back and re-evaluating.  I feel it time for another explainer on what is actually going on for those who get most of their info from the [J/N]ews.

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I think you are too conservative. It seems that Russia's submarine, the Belgorod, has left port and is sailing... where?

If this is only a Russian test, great. But we don't know that. Of course, the US navy doesn't reveal most of what they know.

The point being that the Belgorod might be moving into position to launch its Poseidon torpedoes... if it hasn't already launched them, and the Belgorod is simply out there watching over its 'brood'.

Anyway, this whole Russia vs. US thing is becoming very unfunny.

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I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

It's wonderful to see this attitude. Many of us who have had reasonable life success are not really in favor of this attitude.

In history, especially before the advent of the gun, many people (millions or billions) have looked into the eyes of the person running the sword through their abdomen, and saluted their enemy mentally, before they died and existed no longer.

Millions - maybe billions. So, I salute you that you can have this 'peace' attitude, even if (as) it kills you.

Obviously, I am against it, it is not that I am blind to the world nor understand the use of violence and that you cannot accept being killed or enslaved without a fight. Well, unless you are an RF citizen being recruited, they seem to be fine with it.

Oh, you having reasonable success... bullshit if you say thinks that "billions have died looking at the bla bla..." but I will not waste time educating you on who, why and how many die in wars, your assertions have the same sense as all your other mumbling.

[OutOfMemory]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xwm9wm/russian_draftees_exasperated_abandoned_left_in/

Russia doesn't seem to care about the quality of its cannon fodder too much, lately.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577930442694598657

It's not going to end well for the mobilized. Citicens betrayed by leaders glorifying the Soviet Union.
Let that sink in.

EDIT: The first video seemed to be propagated by Telegram channels from affilates of the Wagner group (Prigoshin). Rumors say that these kind of videos are used by Wagner to discredit Sergei Shoigu.

[suchmoon]

EDIT: The first video seemed to be propagated by Telegram channels from affilates of the Wagner group (Prigoshin). Rumors say that these kind of videos are used by Wagner to discredit Sergei Shoigu.

The hunt for internal enemies of the state is in full swing, this will be glorious. And some of the loudest voices demanding for "heads to roll" seem genuinely convinced that replacing some individuals (like Shoigu) would fix the problems, despite evidence pointing to systemic decades-long issues affecting every part of the military.

As for Prigozhin... he's been flooding the intertubes with tales of his forces taking one town (Bahmut) for weeks now, making it seem like it's the only part of the military that's succeeding right now. Except the town has no strategic significance and they moved like 100 meters and the whole thing is likely a sham to get more funding for his PMC while the mobilized masses aren't getting even the basics. Russian oligarchy in a nutshell.

[BADecker]

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I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

It's wonderful to see this attitude. Many of us who have had reasonable life success are not really in favor of this attitude.

In history, especially before the advent of the gun, many people (millions or billions) have looked into the eyes of the person running the sword through their abdomen, and saluted their enemy mentally, before they died and existed no longer.

Millions - maybe billions. So, I salute you that you can have this 'peace' attitude, even if (as) it kills you.

Obviously, I am against it, it is not that I am blind to the world nor understand the use of violence and that you cannot accept being killed or enslaved without a fight. Well, unless you are an RF citizen being recruited, they seem to be fine with it.

Oh, you having reasonable success... bullshit if you say thinks that "billions have died looking at the bla bla..." but I will not waste time educating you on who, why and how many die in wars, your assertions have the same sense as all your other mumbling.

In modern times, there aren't many who are happy with being drafted. In the US, why we aren't drafting people for war ISN'T a mystery. It has to do with the fact that the Dem leaders and Biden are doing everything they can to destroy US preparedness for a REAL fight with ANY other nation. To see this, all you have to do is look at how they are running America's stock of self-defense materials into the ground by sending it into the Ukraine black hole... along with the money of the American people.

As far as billions have died in the past... check out Gobekli Tepe and her sister site, Karahan Tepe, that is even older. According to the latest and best understanding about how old GT is, it's about 11,500 years old. And It is well advanced beyond the prehistory standard that says that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter-gatherers. Modern archaeology is only scratching the surface regarding how many people have lived in the past, ancient past, and prehistoric past.

According to what modern archaeology is finding out now, is the fact that earth has been populated for a lot longer, by people who were almost as capable of killing each other off as we are today. Up to the point of 2 or 3 decades ago, prehistoric people weren't smart enough to do much of anything beyond inventing the wheel. Now, we are finding that we were wrong in thinking that.

Certainly millions, but as many as billions, of people have died in past times... if you want to believe what modern archaeology has found over the last 2 or 3 decades... even if they don't want to rub their own faces in the realization of their former mistaken ideas.

[Branko]

Some food for thought

https://youtu.be/KwF5Y1oZrAw

[LTU_btc]

It already becomes tradition, Russian army ''liberates'' Zaitseve village every month. C'mon, Konashnenkov, put some creativity into your work, you're starting to repeat too often.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xwm9wm/russian_draftees_exasperated_abandoned_left_in/

Russia doesn't seem to care about the quality of its cannon fodder too much, lately.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577930442694598657

Russia doesn't cares about their troops and threats them worse than animals - surprises, surprise. And winter is coming. But who needs quality when they have quantity, that's Russian logic