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[LTEX]

Let's not forget that kwartjeterug was going to take Gulden mainstream.
That's the way it was hyped.

Now you are saying me it is the other way around?

When time is right it will, i'm sure. But such a project needs cooperation with all involved and good organisation also for good service to deliver.

I think it is best to be positive

All want the best, just unite and no suspicion.

Let me emphasize to the fact that I DID DELIVER KwartjeTerug. It's completely operational and everyone that wants to use it can log in and claim their kwartjes. The fact I did not yet start to massively roll out a campaign around it is indeed the lack of a link to a shop with discounts that help the amount of kwartjes saved make sense to the people. Also I need to setup a team of volunteers to help out if it gets too much attention.

If just delivering a functioning website or app is regarded an epic fail if it hasn't contributed to massive growth of Gulden, then all releases of Gulden dev's are as well for there simply hasn't been any massive growth yet. Fortunately so, because we are not in a position yet to handle that...

[bram_vnl]

Good Marketing and social media will get more people in to Gulden and the projects  

Rome is not buld in 1 day

[leipebarry]

Let's not forget that kwartjeterug was going to take Gulden mainstream.
That's the way it was hyped.

Now you are saying me it is the other way around?

When time is right it will, i'm sure. But such a project needs cooperation with all involved and good organisation also for good service to deliver.

I think it is best to be positive

All want the best, just unite and no suspicion.

Let me emphasize to the fact that I DID DELIVER KwartjeTerug. It's completely operational and everyone that wants to use it can log in and claim their kwartjes. The fact I did not yet start to massively roll out a campaign around it is indeed the lack of a link to a shop with discounts that help the amount of kwartjes saved make sense to the people. Also I need to setup a team of volunteers to help out if it gets too much attention.

If just delivering a functioning website or app is regarded an epic fail if it hasn't contributed to massive growth of Gulden, then all releases of Gulden dev's are as well for there simply hasn't been any massive growth yet. Fortunately so, because we are not in a position yet to handle that...

Looks to me you simply don't have an expertise in Marketing - Organization and Management but claim you do, otherwise it would have been success.

[strataghyst]

Let's not forget that kwartjeterug was going to take Gulden mainstream.
That's the way it was hyped.

Now you are saying me it is the other way around?

When time is right it will, i'm sure. But such a project needs cooperation with all involved and good organisation also for good service to deliver.

I think it is best to be positive

All want the best, just unite and no suspicion.

Let me emphasize to the fact that I DID DELIVER KwartjeTerug. It's completely operational and everyone that wants to use it can log in and claim their kwartjes. The fact I did not yet start to massively roll out a campaign around it is indeed the lack of a link to a shop with discounts that help the amount of kwartjes saved make sense to the people. Also I need to setup a team of volunteers to help out if it gets too much attention.

If just delivering a functioning website or app is regarded an epic fail if it hasn't contributed to massive growth of Gulden, then all releases of Gulden dev's are as well for there simply hasn't been any massive growth yet. Fortunately so, because we are not in a position yet to handle that...

Looks to me you simply don't have an expertise in Marketing - Organization and Management but claim you do, otherwise it would have been success.

What's your expertise other then bullying others?

[leipebarry]

Let's not forget that kwartjeterug was going to take Gulden mainstream.
That's the way it was hyped.

Now you are saying me it is the other way around?

When time is right it will, i'm sure. But such a project needs cooperation with all involved and good organisation also for good service to deliver.

I think it is best to be positive

All want the best, just unite and no suspicion.

Let me emphasize to the fact that I DID DELIVER KwartjeTerug. It's completely operational and everyone that wants to use it can log in and claim their kwartjes. The fact I did not yet start to massively roll out a campaign around it is indeed the lack of a link to a shop with discounts that help the amount of kwartjes saved make sense to the people. Also I need to setup a team of volunteers to help out if it gets too much attention.

If just delivering a functioning website or app is regarded an epic fail if it hasn't contributed to massive growth of Gulden, then all releases of Gulden dev's are as well for there simply hasn't been any massive growth yet. Fortunately so, because we are not in a position yet to handle that...

Looks to me you simply don't have an expertise in Marketing - Organization and Management but claim you do, otherwise it would have been success.

What's your expertise other then bullying others?

Being immune for BS and hype.
How many free pizza's did you receive from LTEX to become his manservant?
 

[yoepie]

Dude.. What do you want?

[sven22]

Making a fool of himself

[leipebarry]

Making a fool of himself

Not even using exclamation marks or curse words Sven?
You are making progress, was about time puberty went over.

What I want Yoepi is people stop being sheeps and see the difference between FUD, hype, stagnation and progress.
That's enough I have to say about it, if you want to keep the discussion with me going on just comment and I will continue.

[leipebarry]

I just mentioned how things run at AUR how I see it, by no means I wanted to compare it with NLG (I don't know how busy the NLG dev team is).

You are stating that (the Aur team is busy IRL) is the reason for the slower development (and not the foundation) - however the NLG team is likely just as busy, so that statement can't possibly be true.
This of course does not mean that it is the foundation for sure, there could be many other reasons (A higher quality team, a more dedicated team, a more motivating environment, a better community, better leadership etc. etc.), but your reason for discounting the foundation as a possible factor is certainly incorrect as the NLG team is indeed very busy IRL as well.

That's just all assumptions (both from my and your side)... and a discussion I don't feel like having (I didn't want discuss AUR matters here as it is off-topic). My experience so far is that the AUR foundation is not slowing development. I speak from a personal point of view. If team members say they are busy IRL, I don't question that. Everyone should do what they think is right. If spending more time with family, work or study results in lesser productivity in our team, well so be it. I don't feel like having a contest about which team is the most busiest IRL.

That's all I'm going to say about it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1044432.0

These are the names of the Auroracoin development team and Auroracoin foundation found on the AUR ANN.

Pétur Árnason (Skarfur) - Chairman of the Auraráð foundation (IS)

Hermann  Finnbjörnsson (apcoins) - Boardmember of the Auraráð foundation (IS)

Hlynur Þór Björnsson (dinobotta) - Boardmember of the Auraráð foundation (IS)

Craig Dellandrea (bimmerhead) - Community development (CA)

Martin Jansen (LTEX) - Marketing & PR (NL)

Jess Foddrill (ny2cafuse) - Developer (US)

Myckel Habets (biomike) - Developer (NL)

Lynn Miller (24kilo) - Developer (AU)

Tom Hendriks (thsminer) - Developer (NL)


I am not even taking the time to talk about the EFL foundation or the Bitcoin foundation in the Netherlands.
We all know it is a big mess and there is no development.
I am going to take it a little bit closer.

How is the development and progress of AUR?
Please tell me how being a foundation makes the coin so more better compared to NLG?
So take your time explaining about the edge the AUR foundation has got on NLG in regards to development.

I see the names LTEX, Biomike and thsminer listed on the team.
Well guys pretty funny story as LTEX is the one that is screaming loudest he wants NLG to be a foundation.
Biomike and thsminer as his underling follow him in his quest.
I would say there is a big conflict of interest here isn't there guys?
Also the names ny2cafuse and 24kilo sound very familiar to me within the Gulden history.
I am not going to talk about their role since ny2cafuse politely asked me to leave the Criptoe debacle out of this. 

LTEX being the head of Marketing & PR is doing an awesome job.
Just as awesome as his 1680club project and kwartjeterug for Gulden
Let's be honest 1680club, kwartjeterug and Marketing & PR for AUR are all an EPIC fail.
And now he is going to come with the magical GULDEX! 
I do not understand how people are actually listening to this guy.

Biomike as a member of the AUR dev team has also has done an excellent job right?
What did you guys do in all that time, as far as I know just coming up with a new wallet?


Now let's take a look at the development and Marketing & PR of NLG so far.
May I remind you that NLG does not even have a guy for Marketing & PR and is not a foundation!
https://timeline.gulden.com/    <--- Enough said, actions speak louder than words.


As far as you ask me the only reason these guys want a foundation, is that it gives them a better opportunity to take over NLG and get rid of the current devteam.
Yes I have said it, they tried it once with the Criptoe team to get rid of GJ and that failed and now they are trying it an other way.
Good luck guys,instead of causing drama with NLG invest the time in AUR and Guldex 

Any comment on this?

None of the people mentioned want to comment?
That demonstrates and says enough about the critical nerve I hit.

[julian071]

I don't know where people always get the impression that I want to take control or things of be the leader here? As far as I'm concerned I am nothing more than an active community member that sometimes stops and thinks for a while and raises serious and founded questions.

Also the ideas some here have that I'm in a fight with the dev team is totally unfunded. For the record I think we have to consider ourselves very lucky to have such an excellent team with MaNi, CED and Rijk. The absolute amazing work they deliver every time makes me proud to be part of this project. Technically I would chose them to be on my team any time!

The reason recent discussions got out of hand is due to the fact that I (and with me a lot of other members of this community) think there is more to this than just amazing and awesome technical development. We are all full of the fact that this coin is going to be great in the long term and that we are all investing in this long term prophecy.

To me, as a businessman and investor, I like to think beyond the awesomeness of todays amazing achievements. I foresee a great future for Gulden, but that also means I think about things like legal aspects of that growth and the implications certain developments like larger user base and the demand for official treaties that come once we reach that sudden growth.

This cals for insights that I sometimes miss in the actions that our Guldenteam takes. I never criticize them or in any way judge their characters. I do however, ask questions and suggest alternatives as talkpiece in constructive discussions. Last time that was made impossible once more by the fact the team refused to respond or engage in that discussion.

By the reactions of the developers like MaNi and CED I also sense they mistake my reserves towards the gulden team (the entire team, responsible for every aspect of actions taken) as an attack on the dev team (the team responsible for technical development of algo, wallets and apps). I also see some members here making that same misjudgment. I have absolutely nothing, repeat nothing against the way the dev team delivers right now. I do have questions for the decisions that are made on a more organizational scale.

That is why I try to involve the community here and on other forums in those discussions and hope that the Gulden team will do so as well.

Most of us are absolutely convinced that Gulden is going to become totally awesome and hell yeah, so do I! Lets use each others expertise to make it happen and not just sit back and wait for our, very capable, dev team do it for us!

My expertise is Marketing - Organization and Management and I'm here to serve!

Thanks for the clarification but most of all thanks for your patience.

[sven22]

Leipebarry, what a coincedence! I was thinking the same of you, you know the frustrating thing is, when you are trying multiple times to change things into something bigger, greater and get put aside once more, frustration levels grow I got a tip yesterday to bake a pie, well I did exactly that. Little difference that it wasn't a pie, but some green cakes

To get back to you. The only thing you are doing is talk down some of the guys who did just that what you should do. Instead of sitting on your lazy ass and sit on ur Guldens, you might as well try to put or create something positive in here. Make some progress like you said I made. Only thing you did last few days is ranting some bullcrap. Try something new, it's getting old.

I took a step back to calm down I suggest you do the same.

[veertje]

The seeds overview is now available at developer.gulden.com. A lot more tools and features will be added to the developer site in the future.

About the foundation talk, this is not on our roadmap. However because we do understand some concerns of other members in the community we have added the issuing of a statement on our to-do list.

Wow nice pic and good work!

Yeah, I love the look of the new page that Rijk has done, excited for the future developments there.

Nice indeed!

[pijpenstelen]

Most foundations have been setup when coins have been scams or dev anonymous we fortunate enough not to have either of these problems.

[Jero]

The community mining runs like a well oiled machine: http://guldenweb.com/community-mining.php

@GeorgeAurea made some calculations on the forum as well: https://community.gulden.com/t/community-mining-ipo-sg-follow-up/1252/58

[EdvinZ]

When the next large update?

[LTEX]

Most foundations have been setup when coins have been scams or dev anonymous we fortunate enough not to have either of these problems.

I agree, this coin has no reason to create a foundation to prove the legitimacy of the dev team. I completely trust Rijk and know for sure he will handle the pre-mine with utmost integrity.

The suggested foundation (or any other legal entity for that matter) is to secure the assets of Gulden (Premine and websites) for future growth. Not only to protect them against unforeseen threats like Rijk (who's address is publicly known) being robbed or maybe gets involved in legal stuff like a divorce, but also to have a legal entity that can represent those assets.

You see, once Gulden starts to grow, we are going to run into situations like we had recently with the lack of an official legal entity to get our IOS in the App Store, more frequent. When we setup such a legal entity now, we are prepared for those things by the time things get busy.

Don't mistake the suggested foundation to be a central entity that gets control over any development or decision for Gulden. It's just a legal entity that serves the community by acting on it's behalf. It will have no saying or vote on anything, just the obligation to do what we, the community want it to do.

For obvious reasons I would want Rijk to take place in it's board and maybe someone like WaterLooDown as well. I myself on the other hand will not. Not because I won't take up the responsibility or because I want to avoid people saying I'm out to be in control. I do not want to sit in the board because I have commercial plans with Gulden and that would raise unnecessary doubts about conflict of interests that could ultimately damage Gulden.

[investeerder]

When the next large update?

My guess it will be a Nocks update because Buerra said Nocks updates will come out faster then before but its been 2 months and have serious doubts here. LTEX exchange might be first.

[mainpmf]

So I found this inspirational soundtrack from a movie trailer.
There's multiple ways to interpret the message but here's my take on it, enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k45vZ09zJKM&feature=youtu.be

[ontopicplease]

Most foundations have been setup when coins have been scams or dev anonymous we fortunate enough not to have either of these problems.

I agree, this coin has no reason to create a foundation to prove the legitimacy of the dev team. I completely trust Rijk and know for sure he will handle the pre-mine with utmost integrity.

The suggested foundation (or any other legal entity for that matter) is to secure the assets of Gulden (Premine and websites) for future growth. Not only to protect them against unforeseen threats like Rijk (who's address is publicly known) being robbed or maybe gets involved in legal stuff like a divorce, but also to have a legal entity that can represent those assets.

You see, once Gulden starts to grow, we are going to run into situations like we had recently with the lack of an official legal entity to get our IOS in the App Store, more frequent. When we setup such a legal entity now, we are prepared for those things by the time things get busy.

Don't mistake the suggested foundation to be a central entity that gets control over any development or decision for Gulden. It's just a legal entity that serves the community by acting on it's behalf. It will have no saying or vote on anything, just the obligation to do what we, the community want it to do.

For obvious reasons I would want Rijk to take place in it's board and maybe someone like WaterLooDown as well. I myself on the other hand will not. Not because I won't take up the responsibility or because I want to avoid people saying I'm out to be in control. I do not want to sit in the board because I have commercial plans with Gulden and that would raise unnecessary doubts about conflict of interests that could ultimately damage Gulden.

Thanks LTEX, for the very clear explanation on this issue. Actually, I am totally surprised you don't get more support. The premine in the hands of one person, looks very unsecure to me. Last remark has nothing to do with trust regarding Rijk. As far as I know, the community never got informed hów safe the premine is stored, correct me if I am wrong. What I mean to say is, that the premine looks vulnerable to me when just one single person has access to it. Robbery will be very easy in such a situation. On the other side, I understand that, when the premine is stored more safe, not accessible for one single person, the devs don't want to say in public hów exactly they stored the premine saver.

[Dutchyyy]

So I found this inspirational soundtrack from a movie trailer.
There's multiple ways to interpret the message but here's my take on it, enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k45vZ09zJKM&feature=youtu.be

Very inspirational indeed, I thought it was a promo for LTEX his Guldex 

A year to wait for exchange will need a lot inspiration.