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May 15, 2014, 04:51:04 AM
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I've been running into a lot of hung work units.  The work unit will hit the end and just sit there forever at 99.99% with 3 seconds remaining.  I've done a bit of looking around and from what I've seen so far they say look for connection errors in the logs.  So far I haven't seen any but I have these hung work units on several computers.  I'm not sure how to resolve them but they certainly are hurting my production.

About the only thing I've been able to do so far is restart the computer without stopping the work unit first.  That seems to knock it back to a previous checkpoint and then it will process about 50% of the time after it redoes the work again which can take hours.

If I stop the work unit prior to rebooting it just sits are 99.99% again.  There must be an easier way to get around these.  Has anyone else been experiencing this?

After you complete a work unit you should see something like this in the log:

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23:58:06:WU00:FS01:0x17:Completed 5000000 out of 5000000 steps (100%)

23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Connecting to 171.67.108.201:80
23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Assigned to work server 140.163.4.231
23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Requesting new work unit for slot 01: RUNNING gpu:0:Pitcairn [] from 140.163.4.231
23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Connecting to 140.163.4.231:8080
23:58:09:WU03:FS01:Downloading 4.84MiB
23:58:11:WU03:FS01:Download complete
23:58:11:WU03:FS01:Received Unit: id:03 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:13001 run:534 clone:7 gen:14 core:0x17 unit:0x0000001d538b3db7532c93b7e185f3f6

23:58:26:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file logfile_01.txt
23:58:27:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file checkpointState.xml
23:58:29:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file checkpt.crc
23:58:29:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file log.txt
23:58:29:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file positions.xtc
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:0x17:Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:FahCore returned: FINISHED_UNIT (100 = 0x64)
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:Sending unit results: id:00 state:SEND error:NO_ERROR project:13001 run:162 clone:2 gen:11 core:0x17 unit:0x00000021538b3db753287d9b0d4519a3
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:Uploading 12.86MiB to 140.163.4.231
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:Connecting to 140.163.4.231:8080

23:58:31:WU03:FS01:Starting
23:58:31:WU03:FS01:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/Users/admin/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient/cores/www.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/ATI/R600/Core_17.fah/FahCore_17.exe -dir 03 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4596 -checkpoint 15 -gpu 0 -gpu-vendor ati
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:Started FahCore on PID 848
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:Core PID:2244
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:FahCore 0x17 started
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:*********************** Log Started 2014-05-14T23:58:32Z ***********************
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Project: 13001 (Run 534, Clone 7, Gen 14)
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Unit: 0x0000001d538b3db7532c93b7e185f3f6
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:CPU: 0x00000000000000000000000000000000
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Machine: 1
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file state.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file system.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file integrator.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file core.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Digital signatures verified
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Folding@home GPU core17
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Version 0.0.52

23:58:37:WU00:FS01:Upload 7.78%
23:58:43:WU00:FS01:Upload 17.01%
23:58:49:WU00:FS01:Upload 25.76%
23:58:55:WU00:FS01:Upload 34.51%
23:59:01:WU00:FS01:Upload 43.75%
23:59:07:WU00:FS01:Upload 52.49%
23:59:13:WU00:FS01:Upload 61.24%
23:59:19:WU00:FS01:Upload 69.99%
23:59:25:WU00:FS01:Upload 78.74%
23:59:31:WU00:FS01:Upload 87.49%
23:59:37:WU00:FS01:Upload 96.24%
23:59:39:WU00:FS01:Upload complete
23:59:40:WU00:FS01:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
23:59:40:WU00:FS01:Final credit estimate, 63963.00 points
23:59:40:WU00:FS01:Cleaning up

00:02:17:WU03:FS01:0x17:Completed 0 out of 5000000 steps (0%)

What does your log look like for these hung units?

EDIT: Also does anyone know how to do a spoiler in this forum? I'm new here so sorry for taking up all the space with the log. Put it in a quote to make it a little smaller anyway lol

My logs shows the updates stopped long before 99.99%.  The 99.99% is not valid.  It actually stopped at 29% for the log I was looking at.  No errors in the F@H log but the updates stopped.  I'm sure the GPU driver crashed.  I need to look at the event log but I'm in the middle of another system rebuild at the moment.  lol

Got to love the late night (for me) computer battles.

Thanks for the info!
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May 15, 2014, 04:53:44 AM
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I've been running into a lot of hung work units.  The work unit will hit the end and just sit there forever at 99.99% with 3 seconds remaining.  I've done a bit of looking around and from what I've seen so far they say look for connection errors in the logs.  So far I haven't seen any but I have these hung work units on several computers.  I'm not sure how to resolve them but they certainly are hurting my production.

About the only thing I've been able to do so far is restart the computer without stopping the work unit first.  That seems to knock it back to a previous checkpoint and then it will process about 50% of the time after it redoes the work again which can take hours.

If I stop the work unit prior to rebooting it just sits are 99.99% again.  There must be an easier way to get around these.  Has anyone else been experiencing this?


I can confirm that this is a overclocking issue !
You can read about my experience on the few last pages. My Gpu's have always been rock solid with every coin but I had to down clock them to avoid the 99.99% problem.

Here's what I found from the folding forum:

The usual reason for this occurring is a GPU reset, check the Windows logs for this happening around the time the WU stopped progressing in the folding log. The cause can be an overclocked GPU that is not stable for folding or a driver crash.

Another action that will do this is sleeping or hibernating the system with a GPU WU active. The OS will reload regular RAM from where it is saved on disc for processes running on the CPU, but does not do that for GPU processing. A newer version of the GPU folding core is under test that is intended to detect that change in state and restart at the previous checkpoint, but has not yet been released to general use.

 

FYI the 99% thing is purely a cosmetic symptom while the client starts up, or shuts down. Sometimes it takes a little bit for the GUI to sync with the work unit. This is especially true with the above mentioned circumstances.


Thanks for the info!  I also saw your situation where you have two computers with identical hardware and one is running at essentially half the speed of the other.  I've got the same situation and I'm rebuilding that machine right now.  I suspect it also has to do with GPU's in that machine.  But it has been hard reset many times while mining so I thought I would start fresh.  I suspect the cards in that machine will actually need to be toned down a bit more than the others.

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May 15, 2014, 04:57:45 AM
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Directed my bitcoin miner to this coin...

Is this coin sha and scrypt friendly?  I read that it's good for asic and gpu mining?

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May 15, 2014, 05:01:19 AM
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Directed my bitcoin miner to this coin...

Is this coin sha and scrypt friendly?  I read that it's good for asic and gpu mining?

Mining is done with SHA algo...can use either ASIC or GPU for that. However, you get much higher returns using GPUs for folding rather than mining (and you help the scientific research...which is the point really). The scrypt algo is unrelated.
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May 15, 2014, 05:08:42 AM
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I've been running into a lot of hung work units.  The work unit will hit the end and just sit there forever at 99.99% with 3 seconds remaining.  I've done a bit of looking around and from what I've seen so far they say look for connection errors in the logs.  So far I haven't seen any but I have these hung work units on several computers.  I'm not sure how to resolve them but they certainly are hurting my production.

About the only thing I've been able to do so far is restart the computer without stopping the work unit first.  That seems to knock it back to a previous checkpoint and then it will process about 50% of the time after it redoes the work again which can take hours.

If I stop the work unit prior to rebooting it just sits are 99.99% again.  There must be an easier way to get around these.  Has anyone else been experiencing this?


I can confirm that this is a overclocking issue !
You can read about my experience on the few last pages. My Gpu's have always been rock solid with every coin but I had to down clock them to avoid the 99.99% problem.

Here's what I found from the folding forum:

The usual reason for this occurring is a GPU reset, check the Windows logs for this happening around the time the WU stopped progressing in the folding log. The cause can be an overclocked GPU that is not stable for folding or a driver crash.

Another action that will do this is sleeping or hibernating the system with a GPU WU active. The OS will reload regular RAM from where it is saved on disc for processes running on the CPU, but does not do that for GPU processing. A newer version of the GPU folding core is under test that is intended to detect that change in state and restart at the previous checkpoint, but has not yet been released to general use.

 

FYI the 99% thing is purely a cosmetic symptom while the client starts up, or shuts down. Sometimes it takes a little bit for the GUI to sync with the work unit. This is especially true with the above mentioned circumstances.


Thanks for the info!  I also saw your situation where you have two computers with identical hardware and one is running at essentially half the speed of the other.  I've got the same situation and I'm rebuilding that machine right now.  I suspect it also has to do with GPU's in that machine.  But it has been hard reset many times while mining so I thought I would start fresh.  I suspect the cards in that machine will actually need to be toned down a bit more than the others.





Yeah, I am still combating with the only 50% of PPD shown symptom. Checking the logs I found out that the PPD figure shown in the client is actually inaccurate ! I was getting twice as many points for my WU's than the GUI estimated. Looking at how much time the WU took and how many points it gave me I did the math and my actual PPD for each card was ~120K as it should be despite the client showing 55K  Roll Eyes  So it's only a cosmetical thing but I would like to get it fixed for a better overview Tongue
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May 15, 2014, 05:18:33 AM
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This looks very interesting. I have a pretty powerful gaming PC that I will use for folding. I've tested it for about 5 minutes, it showed me a rough 100k points per day. How much coins would this roughly equal?


Before I start using it 24/7 I will need to put some new cooling paste on the CPU, it is hitting 90c+ degrees...lol.


Thanks

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May 15, 2014, 05:21:19 AM
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This looks very interesting. I have a pretty powerful gaming PC that I will use for folding. I've tested it for about 5 minutes, it showed me a rough 100k points per day. How much coins would this roughly equal?


Before I start using it 24/7 I will need to put some new cooling paste on the CPU, it is hitting 90c+ degrees...lol.


Thanks

See here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603757.msg6722773#msg6722773

EDIT: What do you have for hardware? Not sure what you consider pretty powerful but a system with a single 7870/7950/270/280 should get 100k PPD. You should be able to get a lot more than that if you have something like crossfire 290Xs or whatever.
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May 15, 2014, 05:22:34 AM
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This looks very interesting. I have a pretty powerful gaming PC that I will use for folding. I've tested it for about 5 minutes, it showed me a rough 100k points per day. How much coins would this roughly equal?


Before I start using it 24/7 I will need to put some new cooling paste on the CPU, it is hitting 90c+ degrees...lol.


Thanks

See here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603757.msg6722773#msg6722773


Thanks for the help.

As soon as I can put a good week of folding in and I have some results, I will post them.

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May 15, 2014, 05:34:28 AM
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After you complete a work unit you should see something like this in the log:

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23:58:06:WU00:FS01:0x17:Completed 5000000 out of 5000000 steps (100%)

23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Connecting to 171.67.108.201:80
23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Assigned to work server 140.163.4.231
23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Requesting new work unit for slot 01: RUNNING gpu:0:Pitcairn [] from 140.163.4.231
23:58:08:WU03:FS01:Connecting to 140.163.4.231:8080
23:58:09:WU03:FS01:Downloading 4.84MiB
23:58:11:WU03:FS01:Download complete
23:58:11:WU03:FS01:Received Unit: id:03 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:13001 run:534 clone:7 gen:14 core:0x17 unit:0x0000001d538b3db7532c93b7e185f3f6

23:58:26:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file logfile_01.txt
23:58:27:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file checkpointState.xml
23:58:29:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file checkpt.crc
23:58:29:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file log.txt
23:58:29:WU00:FS01:0x17:Saving result file positions.xtc
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:0x17:Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:FahCore returned: FINISHED_UNIT (100 = 0x64)
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:Sending unit results: id:00 state:SEND error:NO_ERROR project:13001 run:162 clone:2 gen:11 core:0x17 unit:0x00000021538b3db753287d9b0d4519a3
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:Uploading 12.86MiB to 140.163.4.231
23:58:31:WU00:FS01:Connecting to 140.163.4.231:8080

23:58:31:WU03:FS01:Starting
23:58:31:WU03:FS01:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/Users/admin/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient/cores/www.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/ATI/R600/Core_17.fah/FahCore_17.exe -dir 03 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4596 -checkpoint 15 -gpu 0 -gpu-vendor ati
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:Started FahCore on PID 848
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:Core PID:2244
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:FahCore 0x17 started
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:*********************** Log Started 2014-05-14T23:58:32Z ***********************
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Project: 13001 (Run 534, Clone 7, Gen 14)
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Unit: 0x0000001d538b3db7532c93b7e185f3f6
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:CPU: 0x00000000000000000000000000000000
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Machine: 1
23:58:32:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file state.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file system.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file integrator.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Reading tar file core.xml
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Digital signatures verified
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Folding@home GPU core17
23:58:33:WU03:FS01:0x17:Version 0.0.52

23:58:37:WU00:FS01:Upload 7.78%
23:58:43:WU00:FS01:Upload 17.01%
23:58:49:WU00:FS01:Upload 25.76%
23:58:55:WU00:FS01:Upload 34.51%
23:59:01:WU00:FS01:Upload 43.75%
23:59:07:WU00:FS01:Upload 52.49%
23:59:13:WU00:FS01:Upload 61.24%
23:59:19:WU00:FS01:Upload 69.99%
23:59:25:WU00:FS01:Upload 78.74%
23:59:31:WU00:FS01:Upload 87.49%
23:59:37:WU00:FS01:Upload 96.24%
23:59:39:WU00:FS01:Upload complete
23:59:40:WU00:FS01:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
23:59:40:WU00:FS01:Final credit estimate, 63963.00 points
23:59:40:WU00:FS01:Cleaning up

00:02:17:WU03:FS01:0x17:Completed 0 out of 5000000 steps (0%)

What does your log look like for these hung units?

EDIT: Also does anyone know how to do a spoiler in this forum? I'm new here so sorry for taking up all the space with the log. Put it in a quote to make it a little smaller anyway lol
By spoiler did you mean like so..?  if yes, then it's the hastag # next to quote...

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May 15, 2014, 05:46:37 AM
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By spoiler did you mean like so..?  if yes, then it's the hastag # next to quote...

Ahh thanks...that's not exactly what I was trying to do but close enough...by spoiler I mean where you see a single line such as this:



and you can toggle showing/hiding the full content by clicking it.
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May 15, 2014, 05:47:07 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.
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May 15, 2014, 05:47:37 AM
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This looks very interesting. I have a pretty powerful gaming PC that I will use for folding. I've tested it for about 5 minutes, it showed me a rough 100k points per day. How much coins would this roughly equal?


Before I start using it 24/7 I will need to put some new cooling paste on the CPU, it is hitting 90c+ degrees...lol.


Thanks

100,000 / 120,000,000 points * 7488 =
6.24 coins/day
 
Price = 0.005 BTC/day = 0.0312 BTC / day

$13.80 / day


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May 15, 2014, 05:49:37 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

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May 15, 2014, 05:55:34 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.
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May 15, 2014, 06:01:43 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

Buy pressure created by these pools is almost none.... I think BCpool last time I looks was creating 7BTC of buy pressure... That is nothing. Those multipools are basically hype machines for people that do not do the math. Sounds like it would work though.
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May 15, 2014, 06:02:42 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

I guess what you're trying to say is,

SHA256 ASICs - Keep the blockchain going
GPUs - Folding the proteins
Scrypt ASICs - Multi-pool for earning curecoins

It sounds good, but we would have to remind miners it would be better to fold on their GPUs compared to mining scrypt on a multi-pool which they may direct to as they might not understand what is folding.
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May 15, 2014, 06:07:35 AM
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No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.
I do not dislike the idea. But something like that has to come from within the community. Doubt the devs have time to make such a thin seeing as their are keepin quite busy maintaining and tech supporting current flow of things... (Have to account for both the mining as well as the folding part of things.. ) Where as cinni, blackcoin or mint for that matter might have had more time after the inital pow stage.

However, if you know someone with capability's to make such a thing possible. I would certainly propose it to the devs, maybe get their blessings.. And ofc invite all your scrypt asic buddy's to join the cause! Smiley (also r3 and blackout make some valid points...but in total no one seems against it at least =))

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May 15, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

Buy pressure created by these pools is almost none.... I think BCpool last time I looks was creating 7BTC of buy pressure... That is nothing. Those multipools are basically hype machines for people that do not do the math. Sounds like it would work though.



Totally agree. First of all these pools are always associated with sh*tcoins that are desperately looking to create some hype/ fake demand.
Copying an idea for the tenth time just doesnt work anyway. You need to be ahead of the curve just like this coin is to create some value  Cool



Can anyone elaborate on a few technical aspects of the coin ?

# If there is no hard cap for the coins how was the 5% premine done ? 5% of ∞ is ? Huh
# How does the " Network balancing" mentioned in the OP work ? How does an increase in SHA256 difficulty affect folders ?
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May 15, 2014, 06:12:35 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

I guess what you're trying to say is,

SHA256 ASICs - Keep the blockchain going
GPUs - Folding the proteins
Scrypt ASICs - Multi-pool for earning curecoins

It sounds good, but we would have to remind miners it would be better to fold on their GPUs compared to mining scrypt on a multi-pool which they may direct to as they might not understand what is folding.

Exactly. I was just trying to think of a way to include Scrypt ASIC's in this project, because I do believe it is a big exciting thing that everyone is going to want to be a part of. I also think that's been part of the CureCoin message from the beginning, they welcomed ASIC's, GPU's and CPU's, and made them all relevant to the project. Scrypt ASIC's are sort of a redheaded stepchild though, so making up some way for them to contribute would be awesome. I honestly don't think the buy pressure from a multipool is going to make a tremendous difference to the price, but it WOULD allow people that recently invested heavily into Scrypt ASIC's and become excited about the project the ability to mine CureCoins by proxy and support the project that way. GPUs should only be used for folding, and that should be made absolutely clear.
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May 15, 2014, 06:16:34 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

Buy pressure created by these pools is almost none.... I think BCpool last time I looks was creating 7BTC of buy pressure... That is nothing. Those multipools are basically hype machines for people that do not do the math. Sounds like it would work though.



Totally agree. First of all these pools are always associated with sh*tcoins that are desperately looking to create some hype/ fake demand.
Copying an idea for the tenth time just doesnt work anyway. You need to be ahead of the curve just like this coin is to create some value  Cool



Can anyone elaborate on a few technical aspects of the coin ?

# If there is no hard cap for the coins how was the 5% premine done ? 5% of ∞ is ? Huh
# How does the " Network balancing" mentioned in the OP work ? How does an increase in SHA256 difficulty affect folders ?

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