NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[nembit86]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

Yeahm well this is a free world wide web, you are free to try and use a reasonable argument, instead of
"59 people are the majority of the 3000 stakeholders"
or
"asians are afraid of numbers, at launch but not when they enter the IPO"

The last comment on page 478 by Randombit provided simple but good reasons for adopting the 8 billion number.

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[rockethead]

@nembit56 I had a fealing someone would crack that one out. Ha did ya read about the Irish women in s.Korea that got told (in reply to an email application) that they don't want Irish cos we are all drunks and in a different place she got told (again by email) if she gets the job to lay off the drink during the week? Haha I had to chuckle at that.. The stereotype is so bad lol

Yes, I did read that article but dont worry Im only just a wee bit bit behind you as I am a Scot....and I'll probably be a bit tipsy myself tonight as we are having guests and making a curry and the 2 bottles of white and 2 bottles of red WILL be consumed post haste...

I am not sure if a Scot is a "wee bit behind" or way in front. All I know is that Whiskey is 6-7 times more than Guinness Stout in Alcohol by volume. For an Irishman to drink 3 times more than a Scotsman, then there is a high chance that the Scotsman is more drunk than the Irishman.

[okaynow]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

Yeahm well this is a free world wide web, you are free to try and use a reasonable argument, instead of
"59 people are the majority of the 3000 stakeholders"
or
"asians are afraid of numbers, at launch but not when they enter the IPO"

The last comment on page 478 by Randombit provided simple but good reasons for adopting the 8 billion number.

There is not a single argument here that makes sense, except for the "i want more coins" argument:

- its a better marketing Number to explain
Duh... This does not make any sense whatsoever. i work at an advertising agency, i can market 4 or 2 billion just as easy as 8.
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
or maybe 10? Why is the earth population relevant to NEM project?
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
so is 4, 7 or 2 again. Superstition is irrelevant.
- wider distrubution
more coins for you and me =/= wider distribution. 3000 stakes of 1 mil is the same distribution with 3000 stakes of 2mil.
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!
it is not an eight, it is two zeros stuck together, how about that?

Rarity, technological innovation and user adoption is what gives value to crytocurrencies, not the massive amounts of coins in the genesis block.

[nembit86]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

Yeahm well this is a free world wide web, you are free to try and use a reasonable argument, instead of
"59 people are the majority of the 3000 stakeholders"
or
"asians are afraid of numbers, at launch but not when they enter the IPO"

The last comment on page 478 by Randombit provided simple but good reasons for adopting the 8 billion number.

There is not a single argument here that makes sense, except for the "i want more coins" argument:

- its a better marketing Number to explain
Duh... This does not make any sense whatsoever. i work at an advertising agency, i can market 4 or 2 billion just as easy as 8.
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
or maybe 10? Why is the earth population relevant to NEM project?
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
so is 4, 7 or 2 again. Superstition is irrelevant.
- wider distrubution
more coins for you and me =/= wider distribution. 3000 stakes of 1 mil is the same distribution with 3000 stakes of 2mil.
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!
it is not an eight, it is two zeros stuck together, how about that?

Whats your reasons for 4 billion? And please dont say ' because its always been that number '........devs have stated its easy to change the number, people should be taking stakes out of the AE by now and remember in the real world if you do nothing and say nothing you probably are the type to be led...like all those who never voted.

[rockethead]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

Well thousands read in the facebook. If they cared, they would have voted. Less than 80 voted for the logo, despite 4 months of deliberation. What does that say? Did you vote for the number of coins to be distributed?

[okaynow]

my reasons are in bold RED and BLACK letters in all the quotes above.

Take a minute to read them instead of merely quoting them.

[okaynow]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

Well thousands read in the facebook. If they cared, they would have voted. Less than 80 voted for the logo, despite 4 months of deliberation. What does that say? Did you vote for the number of coins to be distributed?

Again, the fallacy.
Just because 59 out of 3000 can be all day everyday infront of a screen, it does not mean they get to choose for the rest of the people.

This is complete and utter stupidity nonsense, at least, if not anything worse.

Saying that 59 out of 3000 is the majority of anything proves more than you think.
There is a plan, we should stick to it and not make arbitrary changes in the last minute with the help of straw man arguments, "because we can"

[kodtycoon]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

Yeahm well this is a free world wide web, you are free to try and use a reasonable argument, instead of
"59 people are the majority of the 3000 stakeholders"
or
"asians are afraid of numbers, at launch but not when they enter the IPO"

The last comment on page 478 by Randombit provided simple but good reasons for adopting the 8 billion number.

There is not a single argument here that makes sense, except for the "i want more coins" argument:

- its a better marketing Number to explain
Duh... This does not make any sense whatsoever. i work at an advertising agency, i can market 4 or 2 billion just as easy as 8.
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
or maybe 10? Why is the earth population relevant to NEM project?
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
so is 4, 7 or 2 again. Superstition is irrelevant.
- wider distrubution
more coins for you and me =/= wider distribution. 3000 stakes of 1 mil is the same distribution with 3000 stakes of 2mil.
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!
it is not an eight, it is two zeros stuck together, how about that?

Rarity, technological innovation and user adoption is what gives value to crytocurrencies, not the massive amounts of coins in the genesis block.

and that folks is how you win a debate haha

I agree actually I havnt seen one compelling reason to change it.

[rockethead]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

Yeahm well this is a free world wide web, you are free to try and use a reasonable argument, instead of
"59 people are the majority of the 3000 stakeholders"
or
"asians are afraid of numbers, at launch but not when they enter the IPO"

The last comment on page 478 by Randombit provided simple but good reasons for adopting the 8 billion number.

There is not a single argument here that makes sense, except for the "i want more coins" argument:

- its a better marketing Number to explain
Duh... This does not make any sense whatsoever. i work at an advertising agency, i can market 4 or 2 billion just as easy as 8.
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
or maybe 10? Why is the earth population relevant to NEM project?
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
so is 4, 7 or 2 again. Superstition is irrelevant.
- wider distrubution
more coins for you and me =/= wider distribution. 3000 stakes of 1 mil is the same distribution with 3000 stakes of 2mil.
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!
it is not an eight, it is two zeros stuck together, how about that?

Rarity, technological innovation and user adoption is what gives value to crytocurrencies, not the massive amounts of coins in the genesis block.

That's what you think. Have you got facts to back up massive amount of coins in the genesis won't add value to the crypto? Further have you got facts, given everything else is equal that rarity will have a total sum value that is greater than a massive amount of coins?

If you don't I'd refrain from making general kindergarten statements. Your statements are merely statements, much as some other people. The general trend is, most who are against it have nothing more solid than those who are for it. They are less than likely to engage themselves in a constructive and logical discussion other than to present themselves as fudsters and trollers.

[lovely89]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

Well thousands read in the facebook. If they cared, they would have voted. Less than 80 voted for the logo, despite 4 months of deliberation. What does that say? Did you vote for the number of coins to be distributed?

Again, the fallacy.
Just because 59 out of 3000 can be all day everyday infront of a screen, it does not mean they get to choose for the rest of the people.

This is complete and utter stupidity nonsens, at least, if not anything worse.

Saying that 59 out of 3000 is the majority of anything proves more than you think.

I hold a number of stakes but won't vote unless it is an official poll. Not some bitcointalk poll where trolls do as they wish.

[rockethead]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

Well thousands read in the facebook. If they cared, they would have voted. Less than 80 voted for the logo, despite 4 months of deliberation. What does that say? Did you vote for the number of coins to be distributed?

Again, the fallacy.
Just because 59 out of 3000 can be all day everyday infront of a screen, it does not mean they get to choose for the rest of the people.

This is complete and utter stupidity nonsense, at least, if not anything worse.

Saying that 59 out of 3000 is the majority of anything proves more than you think.
There is a plan, we should stick to it and not make arbitrary changes in the last minute with the help of straw man arguments, "because we can"

The fact remains that a couple of thousands read and they did not bother. Why are you harping on 59?

[Conurtrol]

I think the devs made the right decision. The 4 billion number was tied to the NXT narrative and it is a good idea to decouple from that. I agree that the asian superstition part was silly, as all superstitions are, but the devs listened to the community and made a good pragmatic business decision. This bodes well for the future of NEM.

[nembit86]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

Well thousands read in the facebook. If they cared, they would have voted. Less than 80 voted for the logo, despite 4 months of deliberation. What does that say? Did you vote for the number of coins to be distributed?

Again, the fallacy.
Just because 59 out of 3000 can be all day everyday infront of a screen, it does not mean they get to choose for the rest of the people.

This is complete and utter stupidity nonsens, at least, if not anything worse.

Saying that 59 out of 3000 is the majority of anything proves more than you think.

I hold a number of stakes but won't vote unless it is an official poll. Not some bitcointalk poll where trolls do as they wish.

I believe both polls were on the nem forum......not btt

[patmast3r]

I think the devs made the right decision. The 4 billion number was tied to the NXT narrative and it is a good idea to decouple from that. I agree that the asian superstition part was silly, as all superstitions are, but the devs listened to the community and made a good pragmatic business decision. This bodes well for the future of NEM.

Is it really set in stone ?
Where was that announced ?

[okaynow]

there is absolutely no reasoning for such a change at this time of development, other that acquiring more coins.
No-one has given ANY reasonable argument, so please take your opinion on the shelf next to mine.

Once there is any kind of reasonable argument, we can get out of the kindergarden. In the mean time,
59 people are in no way a majority.
The majority of the stakeholders DID NOT VOTE FOR SUCH A CHANGE.

So, if you and anyone else believes that you are entitled to carry on with changes AGAINST the community, you should state so in clear and coherent manner and not hide such attempts behind fake polls and manipulative posts.

[Conurtrol]

I think the devs made the right decision. The 4 billion number was tied to the NXT narrative and it is a good idea to decouple from that. I agree that the asian superstition part was silly, as all superstitions are, but the devs listened to the community and made a good pragmatic business decision. This bodes well for the future of NEM.

Is it really set in stone ?
Where was that announced ?

Apologies, I thought it was but I am mistaken.

[nembit86]

I think the devs made the right decision. The 4 billion number was tied to the NXT narrative and it is a good idea to decouple from that. I agree that the asian superstition part was silly, as all superstitions are, but the devs listened to the community and made a good pragmatic business decision. This bodes well for the future of NEM.

Has the decision been made ? .....it will have to be made soon anyway....

[rockethead]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

Well thousands read in the facebook. If they cared, they would have voted. Less than 80 voted for the logo, despite 4 months of deliberation. What does that say? Did you vote for the number of coins to be distributed?

Again, the fallacy.
Just because 59 out of 3000 can be all day everyday infront of a screen, it does not mean they get to choose for the rest of the people.

This is complete and utter stupidity nonsens, at least, if not anything worse.

Saying that 59 out of 3000 is the majority of anything proves more than you think.

I hold a number of stakes but won't vote unless it is an official poll. Not some bitcointalk poll where trolls do as they wish.

Well, if you cared, you would have voted on it. If you kept quiet, who is to know? Logo was official and it only attracted 78 voters. This is 19 less. Maybe you are just one of the 19 who did not bother.

[okaynow]

The fact remains that a couple of thousands read and they did not bother. Why are you harping on 59?

Because Rockethead, the poor 59 souls who voted for 8bil cannot be held as the majority of NEM.
They might aswell be UF's sockpuppets.

[nembit86]

there is absolutely no reasoning for such a change at this time of development, other that acquiring more coins.
No-one has given ANY reasonable argument, so please take your opinion on the shelf next to mine.

Once there is any kind of reasonable argument, we can get out of the kindergarden. In the mean time,
59 people are in no way a majority.
The majority of the stakeholders DID NOT VOTE FOR SUCH A CHANGE.

So, if you and anyone else believes that you are entitled to carry on with changes AGAINST the community, you should state so in clear and coherent manner and not hide such attempts behind fake polls and manipulative posts.

This is stupid. People need to vote for to put over their views. If you dont vote you end up being led.