NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[martismartis]

I shan't say more. You have equal purview to the same things I have. But whatever you said is a lie, if not,

You need to show why it's a lie. Originally the "fair distribution" slogan was based on the fact that 75% would be distributed. 10% were for developers and marketers. And 15% for future development.  Some people though that even 25% was pretty high as UP had also collected plenty of BTC and Nxt during the IPO.  That 25% number ended up becoming 71% at launch date as shown here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022311.0

That's your "fair distribution". Never mind that the worlds population is 7 billion  and 9.99995% of humans actually have zero nem. The whole idea of "fair distribution" is a joke to start with..

I am sorry but I have to agrre here for a moment. 71% coins held by the DEVs is not doing us much good with the people coming from the outside, but hey decision has been made and we have to live with it!!

The 71% number is complete and udder FUD. http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/

74% of NEM is held by only 100 accounts, which looks worse until you release that almost 2/3 of that 74%, (e.i., almost exactly half of all XEM) is money being held not by individuals but by funds held in multisig accounts set aside for massive development and ecosystem projects. http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/ 

Of those funds they are being held in multi-sig, devs are a minority signers. 

And when you exclude those special funds to fuel projects, what is left is one of the most amazing distributions of any crypto.  http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart-no-dev/

NXT FUDsters are coming in here with complete lies.  When in reality NXT was started by 70 people at most, but instead probably had lots of sock puppets.  On top of that even today 74% of NXT is all held by 0.13% of NXT account (143).  https://nxtblocks.info/#section/blockexplorer_distribution

Please notice how FUDsters provide no links or proof of evidence of their lying numbers, yet repeat it over and over again. 

NXT is a good platform, but some of them are very shameful. 

Jabo

With all respect to XEM team, please don't use PROBABLY, when you try to compare facts. Nobody knows and nobody will know, how it was in reality with NXT distribution and sockpuppets, so let's forget about this and move on. I'm sure there will be left some sockpuppets also in XEM distribution, but I'm not saying it as a fact, it could be PROBABLY. If you try to discuss with facts, so please discuss with real facts, not with PROBABLY.

P.S. 74% of XEM is held in funds, PROBABLY multisig key holders are the same sockpuppet person. Is it fact or what?

P.P.S. I hold both, NXT and XEM.

EDITED: some typing erros.

74% being held in funds is complete and udder FUD and a total lie. Please stop saying this!

How many times do I have to post the links to block explorers? http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/

almost exactly 50% of funds are held in multisig accounts to fund future projects. http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart/

The other half has been distributed.  http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart-no-dev/

Furthermore, I don't have any proof so I deleted my comment that you took offense too.

 

My bad, my mistake. OK, 50%. This doesn't change my main thought, that comparing PROBABLY and straight facts in discussion leads to nowhere

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[ArpFlush]

I can't activate my wallet on Mac!  although I'm quite experienced with crypto's, this one is a mission impossible for me. So my thoughts: please make this more user friendly because no one will use NEM/XEM this way.

Hi,

Yes. We are trying hard to make it as easy as possible and hope to make it perfect in the future.

Hi, there are a couple of common issues. 

1) You definitely need to uninstall any old versions of NEM.  So first uninstall any and all versions you can find.  (Each version will have its own folder in Applications).  And for added measure it is important to on Mac go to Finder, then click "Go" at the top of the screen. Go to Computer, then Macintosh HD, then users, then your user name, and then delete the NEM folder.

Only then after having uninstalled all versions and deleting the NEM folder, should you then try to reinstall.

2) Mac might not allow you to install NEM due to security settings. If this happens, please go to System Preferences -> Security & Privacy -> Install anyway.

3) In Mac I went to System Preferences → Security & Privacy → Firewall → Firewall options → + → NEM 0.6.xx → wallet → okay. If that still doesn't work in Mac, you may need to turn your Firewall off.

4) It is very important to have the latest version of Java 8 running.

These are all the common sticking points that I can think of with Mac.  I'm assuming you don't have any third party virus scanners or firewalls or things like that because they aren't really needed on Mac. 

Please let us know if it works.

Also..... a tip from a FB comment by Bill Whales. "10.10 Yosemite and up required..."

If your OS is old or those tricks don't work, one last trick is to try the stand alone.  I actually run it half the time on mac anyway just because it is a little more fun.  http://blog.nem.io/mac-installation-guide-standalone/

Hi, It's still not working. Meanwhile, I updated my Mac (10.10.3) to Java 8. I only got this popup window

Are you using the latest version of NEM when you tried the installer, and did you uninstall the old versions too?

Yes, v0.6.28  - I had no other versions before. I uninstalled as you told me 

[Thingamajig]

Really quite sick of seeing people from NXT throwing shit in NEM related threads. The hypocrisy of it is annoying and it is otherwise just simply pathetic.

saying NXT "probably" consisted largely of sockpuppets is a massive understatement. The number of sockpuppets the NEM devs managed to remove was a big eye opener to how greedy and self centered most people are on BTT (which is of no surprise really as BTT is a small community).

Money talks, bullshit walks. One thing you can guarantee is most people did their utmost to own the biggest nxt share possible. Probably just a few Bitcoin whales looking for a toy to play with.

Would be a fair assumption that most of those 70 holders was actually significantly less in terms of unique people.

[mrvegad]

I shan't say more. You have equal purview to the same things I have. But whatever you said is a lie, if not,

You need to show why it's a lie. Originally the "fair distribution" slogan was based on the fact that 75% would be distributed. 10% were for developers and marketers. And 15% for future development.  Some people though that even 25% was pretty high as UP had also collected plenty of BTC and Nxt during the IPO.  That 25% number ended up becoming 71% at launch date as shown here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022311.0

That's your "fair distribution". Never mind that the worlds population is 7 billion  and 9.99995% of humans actually have zero nem. The whole idea of "fair distribution" is a joke to start with..

I am sorry but I have to agrre here for a moment. 71% coins held by the DEVs is not doing us much good with the people coming from the outside, but hey decision has been made and we have to live with it!!

The 71% number is complete and udder FUD. http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/

74% of NEM is held by only 100 accounts, which looks worse until you release that almost 2/3 of that 74%, (e.i., almost exactly half of all XEM) is money being held not by individuals but by funds held in multisig accounts set aside for massive development and ecosystem projects. http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/  

Of those funds they are being held in multi-sig, devs are a minority signers.  

And when you exclude those special funds to fuel projects, what is left is one of the most amazing distributions of any crypto.  http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart-no-dev/

NXT FUDsters are coming in here with complete lies.  When in reality NXT was started by 70 people at most, but instead probably had lots of sock puppets.  On top of that even today 74% of NXT is all held by 0.13% of NXT account (143).  https://nxtblocks.info/#section/blockexplorer_distribution

Please notice how FUDsters provide no links or proof of evidence of their lying numbers, yet repeat it over and over again.  

NXT is a good platform, but some of them are very shameful.  

Jabo

With all respect to XEM team, please don't use PROBABLY, when you try to compare facts. Nobody knows and nobody will know, how it was in reality with NXT distribution and sockpuppets, so let's forget about this and move on. I'm sure there will be left some sockpuppets also in XEM distribution, but I'm not saying it as a fact, it could be PROBABLY. If you try to discuss with facts, so please discuss with real facts, not with PROBABLY.

P.S. 74% of XEM is held in funds, PROBABLY multisig key holders are the same sockpuppet person. Is it fact or what?

P.P.S. I hold both, NXT and XEM.

EDITED: some typing erros.

74% being held in funds is complete and udder FUD and a total lie. Please stop saying this!

How many times do I have to post the links to block explorers? http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/

almost exactly 50% of funds are held in multisig accounts to fund future projects. http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart/

The other half has been distributed.  http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart-no-dev/

Furthermore, I don't have any proof so I deleted my comment that you took offense too.

  

50% distributed is a far cry from the 75% that NEM was talking about before the release.

[jabo38]

I can't activate my wallet on Mac!  although I'm quite experienced with crypto's, this one is a mission impossible for me. So my thoughts: please make this more user friendly because no one will use NEM/XEM this way.

Hi,

Yes. We are trying hard to make it as easy as possible and hope to make it perfect in the future.

Hi, there are a couple of common issues. 

1) You definitely need to uninstall any old versions of NEM.  So first uninstall any and all versions you can find.  (Each version will have its own folder in Applications).  And for added measure it is important to on Mac go to Finder, then click "Go" at the top of the screen. Go to Computer, then Macintosh HD, then users, then your user name, and then delete the NEM folder.

Only then after having uninstalled all versions and deleting the NEM folder, should you then try to reinstall.

2) Mac might not allow you to install NEM due to security settings. If this happens, please go to System Preferences -> Security & Privacy -> Install anyway.

3) In Mac I went to System Preferences → Security & Privacy → Firewall → Firewall options → + → NEM 0.6.xx → wallet → okay. If that still doesn't work in Mac, you may need to turn your Firewall off.

4) It is very important to have the latest version of Java 8 running.

These are all the common sticking points that I can think of with Mac.  I'm assuming you don't have any third party virus scanners or firewalls or things like that because they aren't really needed on Mac. 

Please let us know if it works.

Also..... a tip from a FB comment by Bill Whales. "10.10 Yosemite and up required..."

If your OS is old or those tricks don't work, one last trick is to try the stand alone.  I actually run it half the time on mac anyway just because it is a little more fun.  http://blog.nem.io/mac-installation-guide-standalone/

Hi, It's still not working. Meanwhile, I updated my Mac (10.10.3) to Java 8. I only got this popup window

Are you using the latest version of NEM when you tried the installer, and did you uninstall the old versions too?

Yes, v0.6.28  - I had no other versions before. I uninstalled as you told me 

Ahhh. I see the problem now. The Mac OS you have is still not up to date. The installer is only designed to work with the last few versions of Mac OS.

It's okay though. You should still be able to run the stand alone just fine I think.   http://blog.nem.io/mac-installation-guide-standalone/

If you've not run the stand alone before it's a bit tricky the first time. After that it's very easy. If you have any questions please pm me and I'll walk you thorough it.

[jabo38]

I shan't say more. You have equal purview to the same things I have. But whatever you said is a lie, if not,

You need to show why it's a lie. Originally the "fair distribution" slogan was based on the fact that 75% would be distributed. 10% were for developers and marketers. And 15% for future development.  Some people though that even 25% was pretty high as UP had also collected plenty of BTC and Nxt during the IPO.  That 25% number ended up becoming 71% at launch date as shown here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022311.0

That's your "fair distribution". Never mind that the worlds population is 7 billion  and 9.99995% of humans actually have zero nem. The whole idea of "fair distribution" is a joke to start with..

I am sorry but I have to agrre here for a moment. 71% coins held by the DEVs is not doing us much good with the people coming from the outside, but hey decision has been made and we have to live with it!!

The 71% number is complete and udder FUD. http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/

74% of NEM is held by only 100 accounts, which looks worse until you release that almost 2/3 of that 74%, (e.i., almost exactly half of all XEM) is money being held not by individuals but by funds held in multisig accounts set aside for massive development and ecosystem projects. http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/  

Of those funds they are being held in multi-sig, devs are a minority signers.  

And when you exclude those special funds to fuel projects, what is left is one of the most amazing distributions of any crypto.  http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart-no-dev/

NXT FUDsters are coming in here with complete lies.  When in reality NXT was started by 70 people at most, but instead probably had lots of sock puppets.  On top of that even today 74% of NXT is all held by 0.13% of NXT account (143).  https://nxtblocks.info/#section/blockexplorer_distribution

Please notice how FUDsters provide no links or proof of evidence of their lying numbers, yet repeat it over and over again.  

NXT is a good platform, but some of them are very shameful.  

Jabo

With all respect to XEM team, please don't use PROBABLY, when you try to compare facts. Nobody knows and nobody will know, how it was in reality with NXT distribution and sockpuppets, so let's forget about this and move on. I'm sure there will be left some sockpuppets also in XEM distribution, but I'm not saying it as a fact, it could be PROBABLY. If you try to discuss with facts, so please discuss with real facts, not with PROBABLY.

P.S. 74% of XEM is held in funds, PROBABLY multisig key holders are the same sockpuppet person. Is it fact or what?

P.P.S. I hold both, NXT and XEM.

EDITED: some typing erros.

74% being held in funds is complete and udder FUD and a total lie. Please stop saying this!

How many times do I have to post the links to block explorers? http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/

almost exactly 50% of funds are held in multisig accounts to fund future projects. http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart/

The other half has been distributed.  http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart-no-dev/

Furthermore, I don't have any proof so I deleted my comment that you took offense too.

50% distributed is a far cry from the 75% that NEM was talking about before the release.

1) that number will improve some by then end of next month.  Actually hundreds of stakes haven't been distributed yet as redemption is still on going.

NEM is in beta.

2) By V1 when NEM is out of beta it is very possible that 90% will have been distributed if market cap and liquidity allow. (no funds as of yet have been sold on exchange to protect the market cap). 

[jabo38]

no, im pretty sure im not a sock puppet of anyone else and would be more than happy prove identity to trusted members (ie. a well known escrow or such)

Right now, I'll offer a 10,000,000 XEM bounty (way over half of my XEM) to anyone that can give proof that all the cosigners on the project funds are not individual and separate people.  Offer is good until V1. 

[jadedjack]

Really quite sick of seeing people from NXT throwing shit in NEM related threads. The hypocrisy of it is annoying and it is otherwise just simply pathetic.

saying NXT "probably" consisted largely of sockpuppets is a massive understatement. The number of sockpuppets the NEM devs managed to remove was a big eye opener to how greedy and self centered most people are on BTT (which is of no surprise really as BTT is a small community).

Money talks, bullshit walks. One thing you can guarantee is most people did their utmost to own the biggest nxt share possible. Probably just a few Bitcoin whales looking for a toy to play with.

Would be a fair assumption that most of those 70 holders was actually significantly less in terms of unique people.

The biggest problem with nxt is not the distribution. It is what followed.

Like their "marketing"
(1) How "nxt" will help poor people.
(2) Anti-US clips (snowden and crap)
(3) Promoting features that are not implemented yet and might never and probably will not ever get implemented
(4) Stealing copyrighted videos and stamping nxt logo on them

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

[ArpFlush]

I can't activate my wallet on Mac!  although I'm quite experienced with crypto's, this one is a mission impossible for me. So my thoughts: please make this more user friendly because no one will use NEM/XEM this way.

Hi,

Yes. We are trying hard to make it as easy as possible and hope to make it perfect in the future.

Hi, there are a couple of common issues. 

1) You definitely need to uninstall any old versions of NEM.  So first uninstall any and all versions you can find.  (Each version will have its own folder in Applications).  And for added measure it is important to on Mac go to Finder, then click "Go" at the top of the screen. Go to Computer, then Macintosh HD, then users, then your user name, and then delete the NEM folder.

Only then after having uninstalled all versions and deleting the NEM folder, should you then try to reinstall.

2) Mac might not allow you to install NEM due to security settings. If this happens, please go to System Preferences -> Security & Privacy -> Install anyway.

3) In Mac I went to System Preferences → Security & Privacy → Firewall → Firewall options → + → NEM 0.6.xx → wallet → okay. If that still doesn't work in Mac, you may need to turn your Firewall off.

4) It is very important to have the latest version of Java 8 running.

These are all the common sticking points that I can think of with Mac.  I'm assuming you don't have any third party virus scanners or firewalls or things like that because they aren't really needed on Mac. 

Please let us know if it works.

Also..... a tip from a FB comment by Bill Whales. "10.10 Yosemite and up required..."

If your OS is old or those tricks don't work, one last trick is to try the stand alone.  I actually run it half the time on mac anyway just because it is a little more fun.  http://blog.nem.io/mac-installation-guide-standalone/

Hi, It's still not working. Meanwhile, I updated my Mac (10.10.3) to Java 8. I only got this popup window

Are you using the latest version of NEM when you tried the installer, and did you uninstall the old versions too?

Yes, v0.6.28  - I had no other versions before. I uninstalled as you told me 

Ahhh. I see the problem now. The Mac OS you have is still not up to date. The installer is only designed to work with the last few versions of Mac OS.

It's okay though. You should still be able to run the stand alone just fine I think.   http://blog.nem.io/mac-installation-guide-standalone/

If you've not run the stand alone before it's a bit tricky the first time. After that it's very easy. If you have any questions please pm me and I'll walk you thorough it.

It works   I only got a yellow warning saying: NIS needs to be booted. Please open your wallet and boot a local node via the popup dialog or configure the auto-boot setting.
Wallet is synchronizing now. for now, "boot local node" is greyed out.
Thanks for your assistance (but is it necessary to boot a local node?)

[mrvegad]

Jabo30 I have to hand it to you, you sure know how to put a spin on things, however, you like to talk about might happen in the future but I like to talk about what has happened in the present. You know, the facts.

[mrvegad]

Really quite sick of seeing people from NXT throwing shit in NEM related threads. The hypocrisy of it is annoying and it is otherwise just simply pathetic.

saying NXT "probably" consisted largely of sockpuppets is a massive understatement. The number of sockpuppets the NEM devs managed to remove was a big eye opener to how greedy and self centered most people are on BTT (which is of no surprise really as BTT is a small community).

Money talks, bullshit walks. One thing you can guarantee is most people did their utmost to own the biggest nxt share possible. Probably just a few Bitcoin whales looking for a toy to play with.

Would be a fair assumption that most of those 70 holders was actually significantly less in terms of unique people.

The biggest problem with nxt is not the distribution. It is what followed.

Like their "marketing"
(1) How "nxt" will help poor people.
(2) Anti-US clips (snowden and crap)
(3) Promoting features that are not implemented yet and might never and probably will not ever get implemented
(4) Stealing copyrighted videos and stamping nxt logo on them

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

NEM does #1 and #3 also.

There are members in the NEM community that are just as bad as some members in the NXT community.

[Daedelus]

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

I'm listening. How many involved breaches or break down in Nxt's technology i.e. the algos?


Given how UP trolled Nxt for well over a year, I am surprise how much of an easy ride NEM has been given. It is a testament to Nxters not to have gone off like a rocket and bitten back in the same way. No one would have blamed someone who started "NEM is premined" threads and repeated them every 2 weeks, throw in a "NEM is a SCAM with SCAM devs" pointing to UP every other month and then pepper any threads they find with "NEM is deaded?   Scam coin   ". Rinse and repeat.

I am not saying I think these are true, I am saying that trolls don't care about the truth and rely on people not doing their own research. Not sure how NEM would have fared under the same treatment. +1 for the restraint of Nxters

[mrvegad]

I think it's good and even necessary that they have such a large fund for development and marketing if it will indeed be used for such purposes and not personal gain.

Also btw what happened to the silver coin for stakeholders? No talk of that anymore.

I have seen this asked before but never answered.

[jadedjack]

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

I'm listening. How many involved breaches or break down in Nxt's technology i.e. the algos?

You know that is a very good question. Certainly there was a fiasco regarding the public key or lack of and required emergency measures to fix. But what else. There were a number of very large suspicious thefts. One of the largest forgers today is the thief who ripped off DGEX, Klee, and BTER.
How did that "encryption expert" find the passkey to the nemesis block so easily? And he as the one that proclaimed that the nxt algo was secure and was paid for that proclamation. Shortly after that was the public key fiasco, when it was found things were not so secure.

Disturbing

[Daedelus]

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

I'm listening. How many involved breaches or break down in Nxt's technology i.e. the algos?

You know that is a very good question. Certainly there was a fiasco regarding the public key and required emergency measures to fix. But what else. There were a number of very large suspicious thefts. One of the largest forgers today is the thief who ripped off DGEX, Klee, and BTER.
How did that fellow find the passkey to the nemesis block so easily? And he as the one that proclaimed that the nxt algo was secure. Shortly after that was the public key fiasco, when it was found things were not so secure.

Disturbing

Public key fiasco, Links?

Bter theft was a weak password (his mums name? don't quote me) without any 2FA.

The genesis block passphrase was a sentence from a famous book. It was intended to be found, but it surprised CfB how quickly it was. They guy who found it then went on to be a very technical and helpful consultant for Nxt's ideas. There is nothing you could ever do with the passphrase, it is just a curiosity now.


TL:DR - Nxt's technology has never been hacked. Exchanges have been hacked but thefts so far are human error of one sort or other.

[rockethead]

Really quite sick of seeing people from NXT throwing shit in NEM related threads. The hypocrisy of it is annoying and it is otherwise just simply pathetic.

saying NXT "probably" consisted largely of sockpuppets is a massive understatement. The number of sockpuppets the NEM devs managed to remove was a big eye opener to how greedy and self centered most people are on BTT (which is of no surprise really as BTT is a small community).

Money talks, bullshit walks. One thing you can guarantee is most people did their utmost to own the biggest nxt share possible. Probably just a few Bitcoin whales looking for a toy to play with.

Would be a fair assumption that most of those 70 holders was actually significantly less in terms of unique people.

The biggest problem with nxt is not the distribution. It is what followed.

Like their "marketing"
(1) How "nxt" will help poor people.
(2) Anti-US clips (snowden and crap)
(3) Promoting features that are not implemented yet and might never and probably will not ever get implemented
(4) Stealing copyrighted videos and stamping nxt logo on them

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

NEM does #1 and #3 also.

There are members in the NEM community that are just as bad as some members in the NXT community.

Like some average joe who wants to make it sound like he is from Nevada, hiding behind the trees of British Columbia, socking all over with new names and having verbal diarrhoea, hopping from one project to another project?

Yes, the entire crypto community should rid of these low lying scum bags and shit up characters. In any case, these are the people who are preventing the growth of the crypto economy. Don't know why they need to be here. They should be in some mental institutions instead. My analysis is they are all failures in life. Not probably, they are.

[mrvegad]

Really quite sick of seeing people from NXT throwing shit in NEM related threads. The hypocrisy of it is annoying and it is otherwise just simply pathetic.

saying NXT "probably" consisted largely of sockpuppets is a massive understatement. The number of sockpuppets the NEM devs managed to remove was a big eye opener to how greedy and self centered most people are on BTT (which is of no surprise really as BTT is a small community).

Money talks, bullshit walks. One thing you can guarantee is most people did their utmost to own the biggest nxt share possible. Probably just a few Bitcoin whales looking for a toy to play with.

Would be a fair assumption that most of those 70 holders was actually significantly less in terms of unique people.

The biggest problem with nxt is not the distribution. It is what followed.

Like their "marketing"
(1) How "nxt" will help poor people.
(2) Anti-US clips (snowden and crap)
(3) Promoting features that are not implemented yet and might never and probably will not ever get implemented
(4) Stealing copyrighted videos and stamping nxt logo on them

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

NEM does #1 and #3 also.

There are members in the NEM community that are just as bad as some members in the NXT community.

Like some average joe who wants to make it sound like he is from Nevada, hiding behind the trees of British Columbia, socking all over with new names and having verbal diarrhoea, hopping from one project to another project?

Yes, the entire crypto community should rid of these low lying scum bags and shit up characters. In any case, these are the people who are preventing the growth of the crypto economy. Don't know why they need to be here. They should be in some mental institutions instead. My analysis is they are all failures in life. Not probably, they are.

I don't live in British Columbia.

[MrPortMan]

Per everybody, there is an ongoing debate about who controls what in NEM/NXT.  It appears somebody is representing the NXT community by telling lies about NEM, which ultimately I think looks bad on the NXT community.   

I would like to clear it up with some facts and hard numbers that I just posted elsewhere. 

Okay......

Per the debate about distribution that everybody is having.  Here are the hard facts.  The real hard facts. 

74% of NXT is all held by 143 accounts (not far off from the original 70 that originally had 100%)  Or in other words 0.13% of NXT accounts own 74% of all NXT.  https://nxtblocks.info/#section/blockexplorer_distribution

74% of NEM is held by only 100 accounts, which looks worse until you release that almost 2/3 of that 74%, (e.i., almost exactly half of all XEM) is money being held not by individuals but by funds held in multisig accounts set aside for massive development and ecosystem projects. http://blockexplore.in/search/richlist/  And when you exclude those special funds to fuel projects, what is left is one of the most amazing distributions of any crypto.  http://blockexplore.in/graphs/bubble-chart-no-dev/

Everything is right! Forwards with NXT aren't right and have to apologize or have to leave our community.

[rockethead]

Really quite sick of seeing people from NXT throwing shit in NEM related threads. The hypocrisy of it is annoying and it is otherwise just simply pathetic.

saying NXT "probably" consisted largely of sockpuppets is a massive understatement. The number of sockpuppets the NEM devs managed to remove was a big eye opener to how greedy and self centered most people are on BTT (which is of no surprise really as BTT is a small community).

Money talks, bullshit walks. One thing you can guarantee is most people did their utmost to own the biggest nxt share possible. Probably just a few Bitcoin whales looking for a toy to play with.

Would be a fair assumption that most of those 70 holders was actually significantly less in terms of unique people.

The biggest problem with nxt is not the distribution. It is what followed.

Like their "marketing"
(1) How "nxt" will help poor people.
(2) Anti-US clips (snowden and crap)
(3) Promoting features that are not implemented yet and might never and probably will not ever get implemented
(4) Stealing copyrighted videos and stamping nxt logo on them

And has anybody kept track of how many scams and thefts occurred on that platform? It is a very large number I am sure.

NEM does #1 and #3 also.

There are members in the NEM community that are just as bad as some members in the NXT community.

Like some average joe who wants to make it sound like he is from Nevada, hiding behind the trees of British Columbia, socking all over with new names and having verbal diarrhoea, hopping from one project to another project?

Yes, the entire crypto community should rid of these low lying scum bags and shit up characters. In any case, these are the people who are preventing the growth of the crypto economy. Don't know why they need to be here. They should be in some mental institutions instead. My analysis is they are all failures in life. Not probably, they are.

I don't live in British Columbia.

Don't want to know and don't care.

[mixmaster]

I think it's good and even necessary that they have such a large fund for development and marketing if it will indeed be used for such purposes and not personal gain.

Also btw what happened to the silver coin for stakeholders? No talk of that anymore.

I have seen this asked before but never answered.

Read "2.1.2 Silver Coins for Distribution to Initial Stakeholders" in the Development Contract.