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Question: Will you support Gavin's new block size limit hard fork of 8MB by January 1, 2016 then doubling every 2 years?
1.  yes
2.  no

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May 06, 2015, 04:37:06 AM
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i suspect he never invested significantly in BTC

He has mined from (almost, if not) the very beginning. I don't know how much, but I would guess a significant amount.

Maybe that gives a different perspective than investing hard-earned money out of pocket. If that is a good or bad thing, I don't know.

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May 06, 2015, 05:38:30 AM
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Excellent. Any serious Bitcoin business will have this view because retaining the 1MB will not only cripple the network but also cripple dependent business models.

Except if the business model includes profiting from off-chain transactions.

It's good to see coinbase support bigger blocks. I wouldn't have bet on it. What about circle?

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May 06, 2015, 05:46:07 AM
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Excellent. Any serious Bitcoin business will have this view because retaining the 1MB will not only cripple the network but also cripple dependent business models.

Except if the business model includes profiting from off-chain transactions.

It's good to see coinbase support bigger blocks. I wouldn't have bet on it. What about circle?

But, but marcus says Coinbase is the big bad boogie man of Bitcoin. Aren't they supposed to want what's best for themselves which should be small 1mb blocks so that offchain TX's become the thing?

They couldn't possibly want what's best for Bitcoin which is involves supporting Gavin could they?
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May 06, 2015, 05:50:48 AM
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cypherdoc : your personal vendettas have just become toxic. Play the ball not the man, it is just becoming a continual string of ad hominem and character smearing (or cheering) with you. Take a vacation or bitcoin burn-out might get you ...

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May 06, 2015, 05:52:54 AM
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Excellent. Any serious Bitcoin business will have this view because retaining the 1MB will not only cripple the network but also cripple dependent business models.

Except if the business model includes profiting from off-chain transactions.

It's good to see coinbase support bigger blocks. I wouldn't have bet on it. What about circle?

But, but marcus says Coinbase is the big bad boogie man of Bitcoin. Aren't they supposed to want what's best for themselves which should be small 1mb blocks so that offchain TX's become the thing?

They couldn't possibly want what's best for Bitcoin which is involves supporting Gavin could they?

You really, really don't get it do you? You can't see past your blind greed I'm afraid. Of course coinbase wants more centralisation ... how hard is that to understand?

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May 06, 2015, 06:01:57 AM
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marcus, the above poll results and the general tenor of support on reddit for Gavin's proposal clearly indicates that it is you who doesn't get it.
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May 06, 2015, 06:13:20 AM
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marcus, never mind me. what's with you and Gavin anyways? I noticed you were racking up the down votes big time on reddit today after a series of characteristic disrespectful  comments from you against him. What did he do, flip you off one time?
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May 06, 2015, 06:15:49 AM
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marcus, the above poll results and the general tenor of support on reddit for Gavin's proposal clearly indicates that it is you who doesn't get it.

Your opinion is mostly worthless at this point, so I'm not sure why you create so much noise instead of solutions?

Why do you post comments on github commits, are you making code commits? Seems pretentious.

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May 06, 2015, 06:45:51 AM
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marcus, the above poll results and the general tenor of support on reddit for Gavin's proposal clearly indicates that it is you who doesn't get it.

Your opinion is mostly worthless at this point, so I'm not sure why you create so much noise instead of solutions?

Why do you post comments on github commits, are you making code commits? Seems pretentious.

Well if marcus says it, it must be true!

What, I can't comments on github just like the other 12 or so guys who did so?


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May 06, 2015, 06:51:56 AM
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marcus, the above poll results and the general tenor of support on reddit for Gavin's proposal clearly indicates that it is you who doesn't get it.

no, you. don't get it.

you are so self-important you rely on a few dozen yes-men to back you up. and reddit.

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May 06, 2015, 07:02:03 AM
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marcus, the above poll results and the general tenor of support on reddit for Gavin's proposal clearly indicates that it is you who doesn't get it.

no, you. don't get it.

you are so self-important you rely on a few dozen yes-men to back you up. and reddit.

There you go again. They're not backing me up: they've indicated support for Gavin's proposal. Better to point to something objective in the poll and on reddit than simply sling mud like you're doing. But that's what you're good at; I understand.
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May 06, 2015, 07:07:29 AM
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marcus, the above poll results and the general tenor of support on reddit for Gavin's proposal clearly indicates that it is you who doesn't get it.

no, you. don't get it.

you are so self-important you rely on a few dozen yes-men to back you up. and reddit.

Talk about not getting it. Do you realize you just insulted the intelligence of those very men you dare speak of?

I can see you've taken Dale Carnegies course on how to make friends and influence people.
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May 06, 2015, 08:48:51 AM
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Gentlemen a time out would be appreciated. It's getting a little warm in here.  Roll Eyes



Can someone please point me to the specific details of this 20Mb blocksize increase, other than the http://gavinandresen.ninja/time-to-roll-out-bigger-blocks (not many details here)

I'm trying to find out if this is different to the last gavin update, where the rolling increase was proposed 20mb first and X% per increment after. Or if this new proposal is a different hacked increase to 20mb, thus requiring another hard fork in the future should this new limit need changing?

thanks
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May 06, 2015, 09:00:50 AM
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Je suis Marcus. Thx for carrying with this Matter. Going back to github now.

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May 06, 2015, 10:51:01 AM
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Your opinion is mostly worthless at this point, so I'm not sure why you create so much noise instead of solutions?

Why do you post comments on github commits, are you making code commits? Seems pretentious.
What evidence exists to show that you're less pretensions and create more solutions vs noise than cypherdoc?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34prd6/i_made_a_3d_printed_stainless_steel_bitcoin/cqy2eoc
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34zj70/fincen_fines_ripple_labs_inc_in_first_civil/cqzta5c

I took the time to design a countermeasure to one form of attack on the network and then put up fifteen bitcoins as a bounty to fund a proof of concept.

What have you done to make the network safer recently?
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May 06, 2015, 11:03:48 AM
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Your opinion is mostly worthless at this point, so I'm not sure why you create so much noise instead of solutions?

Why do you post comments on github commits, are you making code commits? Seems pretentious.
What evidence exists to show that you're less pretensions and create more solutions vs noise than cypherdoc?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34prd6/i_made_a_3d_printed_stainless_steel_bitcoin/cqy2eoc
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34zj70/fincen_fines_ripple_labs_inc_in_first_civil/cqzta5c

I took the time to design a countermeasure to one form of attack on the network and then put up fifteen bitcoins as a bounty to fund a proof of concept.

What have you done to make the network safer recently?

Really? Only "contributors" have the right to raise concern now?

This thread is getting over pompous.
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May 06, 2015, 12:08:04 PM
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Really? Only "contributors" have the right to raise concern now?

This thread is getting over pompous.
Just to be clear - will you please identify who first brought that argument into the thread?
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May 06, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
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Speaking of things that make the network stronger, davec is doing great work:

https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd/pull/425

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This pull request contains fixes from the results of a thorough audit of txscript to find any cases of script evaluation which doesn't match the required consensus behavior. These conditions are fairly obscure and highly unlikely to happen in any real scripts, but they could have nevertheless been used by a clever attacker with malicious intent to cause a fork.

Test cases which exercise these conditions have been added to the reference tests and will contributed upstream to improve the quality for the entire ecosystem.
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marcus, the above poll results and the general tenor of support on reddit for Gavin's proposal clearly indicates that it is you who doesn't get it.

no, you. don't get it.

you are so self-important you rely on a few dozen yes-men to back you up. and reddit.

I'm no yes man, I don't agree on a lot of cypher's positions, in fact I hold some opposing opinions in equal or higher regard.

marcus_of_augustus is one although I  don't agree with him on SC, or the fact that Devs should just be respected for their contributions, Devs had the opportunity just because they were willing to make the sacrifices that don't make them authorities. Some may understand code but lack experience to understand the big picture.

Cypher is open to learning and has deep understanding he has earned his respect. I don't like his character assassination either but it's fine with me it's not like it is unfair it's just we've been conditioned to be nice even to stupidity.

This video illustrates the difference between knowledge and understanding. nullc understands programing has knowledge about economics, he has made false accusations and uses his authority to back them up. https://youtu.be/MFzDaBzBlL0


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May 06, 2015, 03:05:22 PM
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coinbase looks to me like the next mt. gox waiting to happen ... can't see why you guys always rally behind centralised organisations for your self-affirmation. coinbase will be hacked or corrupted in some way, will you be singing their praises for what that brings?

That's a lazy assumption. It's naive to think that BTC can be successful without help from "centralized" organizations. Coinbase is far more secure and intelligent than MTGox, it's not an anonymous international exchange.  They've also done far more than anyone here to help spread the adoption of BTC.  I can't see why you assume that a Bitcoin business is bad for Bitcoin.
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