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April 20, 2015, 12:10:06 AM
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wow, Ledger Wallet guys seem on top of things.  hardware wallet capabilities already built into your phone?:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114003/bitcoin-could-be-stored-securely-as-a-hardware-wallet-on-your-phone
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April 20, 2015, 12:19:26 AM
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wow, more smartphone innovation on the horizon.  mobile is the bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNTObCr4gnM&feature=youtu.be
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April 20, 2015, 12:30:19 AM
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You can't rule out some smart people get hired into 3-letter-agencies, for example.
You especially can't rule out smart criminals joining 3-letter-agencies for the express purpose of being able to line their own pockets under the colour of law.

in fact, you can just about guarantee that the more power vested in these agencies the more venal and power-seeking the type of individuals they attract.

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April 20, 2015, 12:35:11 AM
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Bitcoin trolls.  you really need to look the hell out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/336f1w/its_not_about_21_inc_its_all_about_qualcomm/
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April 20, 2015, 12:41:40 AM
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Peter's is a good theory.  in fact, i take it one step further.  i think it was probably gvt agents who took it down from 17.5 to 0.002 at the time.

what a crazy way to accumulate coins, if it was indeed just a hacker.  if he had really stole source code, he would have just bled 100 coin lots over the next 3 yrs as was apparently done according to WizSec.  no drama.  i remember quite vividly watching the attack take place real time on what was then used, Sierra Charts.  it was a straight down spiral of the price with no intervening buys, just selling.  it reminded me of watching the Bear Stearns chart plummet in real time back in 2008.  it's indescribable seeing such a thing happen right before your very eyes.  it was so public and so obvious that the guy Kevin got identified immediately for having bought 259684 BTC for under $3000:

06/19/11 17:51  Bought BTC  259684.77 for 0.0101

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20207.0

no, my bet is on gvt agents who were trying to destroy Bitcoin.  this board was covered with obvious trolls even back then and mtgox had just captured the public's attention for the first time with the run to 32.  since then, we have found out an astounding number of facts about NSA's unabashed unconstitutional actions to invade privacy and perform sabotage such as Stuxnet, Gemalto, Prism, Merkel's cellphone, etc, etc.  The SR agents were methodical, ruthless, and matter of fact about stealing SR coins acting with impunity.  doesn't seem to far a stretch that gvt agents would steal from mtgox while taking it down at the same time.  it would explain the radio silence on the whole issue as well as an attempt to bury the truth forever.

You make the case about as well as it can be done at this point. Although, there was also extreme profit motive vs Mark K, on the other side of the razor.
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April 20, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
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Peter's is a good theory.  in fact, i take it one step further.  i think it was probably gvt agents who took it down from 17.5 to 0.002 at the time.

what a crazy way to accumulate coins, if it was indeed just a hacker.  if he had really stole source code, he would have just bled 100 coin lots over the next 3 yrs as was apparently done according to WizSec.  no drama.  i remember quite vividly watching the attack take place real time on what was then used, Sierra Charts.  it was a straight down spiral of the price with no intervening buys, just selling.  it reminded me of watching the Bear Stearns chart plummet in real time back in 2008.  it's indescribable seeing such a thing happen right before your very eyes.  it was so public and so obvious that the guy Kevin got identified immediately for having bought 259684 BTC for under $3000:

06/19/11 17:51  Bought BTC  259684.77 for 0.0101

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20207.0

no, my bet is on gvt agents who were trying to destroy Bitcoin.  this board was covered with obvious trolls even back then and mtgox had just captured the public's attention for the first time with the run to 32.  since then, we have found out an astounding number of facts about NSA's unabashed unconstitutional actions to invade privacy and perform sabotage such as Stuxnet, Gemalto, Prism, Merkel's cellphone, etc, etc.  The SR agents were methodical, ruthless, and matter of fact about stealing SR coins acting with impunity.  doesn't seem to far a stretch that gvt agents would steal from mtgox while taking it down at the same time.  it would explain the radio silence on the whole issue as well as an attempt to bury the truth forever.

You make the case about as well as it can be done at this point. Although, there was also extreme profit motive vs Mark K, on the other side of the razor.

no, the USG was way up his ass in many ways.  not to mention the $5.1 M they seized from Tibanne here in the US.  i'm sure he was under a gag order.  so was the Japanese police ever since the 17.5 to 0.0101 hack as he reported it to them.

i'm sure during the subsequent investigations his systems got compromised.  and if i'm right, that they had access to the systems, i wouldn't put it past the gvts to steal coins that could be responsible for the depressed prices we see today in the never ending inexplicable selloffs we've been getting.  that's my tinfoil.
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April 20, 2015, 03:14:20 AM
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You make the case about as well as it can be done at this point. Although, there was also extreme profit motive vs Mark K, on the other side of the razor.

no, the USG was way up his ass in many ways.  not to mention the $5.1 M they seized from Tibanne here in the US.  i'm sure he was under a gag order.  so was the Japanese police ever since the 17.5 to 0.0101 hack as he reported it to them.

i'm sure during the subsequent investigations his systems got compromised.  and if i'm right, that they had access to the systems, i wouldn't put it past the gvts to steal coins that could be responsible for the depressed prices we see today in the never ending inexplicable selloffs we've been getting.  that's my tinfoil.

The June 2011 hack happened exactly as it had to. With access to a huge amount of coins the price had to be dropped to near nothing, allowing a certain dollar value of btc to leave the system. A non-state actor would face it the same way.

I'm definitely not ruling out your theory. Just feel there are other possibilities.
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April 20, 2015, 03:15:55 AM
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So why would anyone trust a Qualcomm hardware bitcoin wallet built into their smartphone if it was proprietary?
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April 20, 2015, 03:18:15 AM
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So why would anyone trust a Qualcomm hardware bitcoin wallet built into their smartphone if it was proprietary?

maybe b/c they're joint investors in 21?  i sure hope they do their audits.
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April 20, 2015, 04:03:55 AM
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So why would anyone trust a Qualcomm hardware bitcoin wallet built into their smartphone if it was proprietary?

Most of the masses (as yet uninvolved in bitcoin) don't care.  I don't suppose its a great way to store your life's savings, but I think most would be willing to risk their spending money without a qualm. 
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April 20, 2015, 04:13:08 AM
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So why would anyone trust a Qualcomm hardware bitcoin wallet built into their smartphone if it was proprietary?

That was my first thought, this could go horribly wrong with the likes of the NSA and other tentacles trying to embed into network hardware.

fortunately coin security has already being solved with multisig. Still privacy could be compromised but your coins can be safe.

Exciting solution have already been proposed. http://sigsafe.org/  is one solution to allow you to use the tech while diversifying the trust.  It just needs adoption.

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April 20, 2015, 04:36:38 AM
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So why would anyone trust a Qualcomm hardware bitcoin wallet built into their smartphone if it was proprietary?

That was my first thought, this could go horribly wrong with the likes of the NSA and other tentacles trying to embed into network hardware.

fortunately coin security has already being solved with multisig. Still privacy could be compromised but your coins can be safe.

Exciting solution have already been proposed. http://sigsafe.org/  is one solution to allow you to use the tech while diversifying the trust.  It just needs adoption.

i see that Peter has been busy.  interesting concept sigsafe.  i'd be interested in hearing why he chose NFC.  certainly worth following.
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April 20, 2015, 04:53:03 AM
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So why would anyone trust a Qualcomm hardware bitcoin wallet built into their smartphone if it was proprietary?

That was my first thought, this could go horribly wrong with the likes of the NSA and other tentacles trying to embed into network hardware.

fortunately coin security has already being solved with multisig. Still privacy could be compromised but your coins can be safe.

Exciting solution have already been proposed. http://sigsafe.org/  is one solution to allow you to use the tech while diversifying the trust.  It just needs adoption.

i see that Peter has been busy.  interesting concept sigsafe.  i'd be interested in hearing why he chose NFC.  certainly worth following.

He did a video demo a little while back very exciting, typically unlocking the power of your phone with system independent remote multisig, The technology is above me I think NFC has more pros than cons, I hope to see it tested by hardened critics.  


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April 20, 2015, 04:59:59 AM
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wow, more smartphone innovation on the horizon.  mobile is the bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNTObCr4gnM&feature=youtu.be


This gives me tingles in my toes. Every cell phone can now be a hardware wallet that uses encrypted sms to broadcast. BitSim is my new favourite thing.
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April 20, 2015, 07:21:02 AM
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wow, more smartphone innovation on the horizon.  mobile is the bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNTObCr4gnM&feature=youtu.be


This gives me tingles in my toes. Every cell phone can now be a hardware wallet that uses encrypted sms to broadcast. BitSim is my new favourite thing.

It's pretty awesome...

On the downside: what about privacy?

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April 20, 2015, 07:41:47 AM
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wow, more smartphone innovation on the horizon.  mobile is the bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNTObCr4gnM&feature=youtu.be


This gives me tingles in my toes. Every cell phone can now be a hardware wallet that uses encrypted sms to broadcast. BitSim is my new favourite thing.

It's pretty awesome...

On the downside: what about privacy?


Seeing as everything is encrypted it should be private even in contract phones. for the paranoid there are always pre paid phones.
In any case I dont see that need being terribly relavent for this market.

This is the beginning of the killer app era for bitcoin.

Bro, do you even blockchain?
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April 20, 2015, 07:58:57 AM
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wow, more smartphone innovation on the horizon.  mobile is the bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNTObCr4gnM&feature=youtu.be


This gives me tingles in my toes. Every cell phone can now be a hardware wallet that uses encrypted sms to broadcast. BitSim is my new favourite thing.

It's pretty awesome...

On the downside: what about privacy?


Seeing as everything is encrypted it should be private even in contract phones. for the paranoid there are always pre paid phones.
In any case I dont see that need being terribly relavent for this market.

This is the beginning of the killer app era for bitcoin.
Thats what initially came to my mind. Interesting that the/a killer app would be based on technology, of a pre app era. Amazing rewind.  Cool

I now want to see this actually working.
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April 20, 2015, 08:39:10 AM
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When folks realize they can control their money and keep it absolutely secure, they will come.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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April 20, 2015, 11:35:05 AM
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wow, more smartphone innovation on the horizon.  mobile is the bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNTObCr4gnM&feature=youtu.be


This gives me tingles in my toes. Every cell phone can now be a hardware wallet that uses encrypted sms to broadcast. BitSim is my new favourite thing.

It's pretty awesome...

On the downside: what about privacy?


Seeing as everything is encrypted it should be private even in contract phones. for the paranoid there are always pre paid phones.
In any case I dont see that need being terribly relavent for this market.

This is the beginning of the killer app era for bitcoin.



Feels very positive lately, the inevitability of momentum. With every announcement like this I care less about the bear market.

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April 20, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
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Greece is escalating once again:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-20/did-greece-just-launch-capital-controls-mandatory-cash-transfer-decreed
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