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May 21, 2017, 04:52:52 AM
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Not only is probability math science law, but it is one of the foundational pieces of physics in the universe. Probability math, alone, shows us that evolution is impossible.

Can you win the lottery if you are only 1 in 10 million people playing? Yes, you can. The odds are that you won't.

The odds against evolution is so great that ... forget it.


False, if that was the case no scientist would support evolution:
''1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[23] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[24][25]
This simply shows that most scientists have not deeply considered probability math. In fact, most scientists probably have not deeply considered evolution, but simply have accepted the conclusions of fellow scientists, often without even meeting or knowing those fellow scientists.


You keep mentioning probability math. What is your point, what probability are you talking about?

The thing we were talking about is evolution. What are the odds that the atoms and molecules that make up a simple living cell could come together in just the right places to form what a living cell would be? The odds against this happening even once are literally impossible.

Add to this the proper motions for each and every atom and molecule so that the cell can be alive, and you have another big impossibility.

Add to this the fact that any "soup" that we can envision that would allow the above to happen, would immediately kill the new living cell. This means that the cell would have to be ejected from the soup at exactly the time it formed and became alive. This is another impossibility.

But, if the above happened, it would have to happen over and over each time there was an advancement in the cell, to the next level of evolution.

The probability math odds against this happening even once are so strong that it is impossible, and impossible, and impossible, beyond any chance of a possibility. Do the math.

Cool

you sir are so willfully phucking ignorant it is beyond comprehension.
for chrissakes get outta your delusional  echo chamber .and do some research on these subjects you crow about.
oh no wait a minute never mind..you wont listen to the real science. you got yer fingers in your ears if it goes against your retarded fairy tale beliefs.



Well, do the math. The smallest possible living cell would have at least 200 molecules. What are the odds that these 200 molecules of different varieties and substances could ever come together to form a cell? It is essentially impossible. But if they did, they would still have to move into the right motions to make the cell alive.

How in the world ignorant are you? The 200-molecule cell would barely be alive, because cells that small are specialized for a specific job. In nature the cell would have to be a whole lot larger, and the odds against its coming together a whole lot greater.

You evolutionists are so dense that it amazes one how you can even live without riding a bicycle all the time:


Cool
Any odds are greater or equal to the God story. In fact, there is no way to determine the odds of the possibility of a God. But the evolution odds are much greater than any fairy tale odds. Oh, and there is a name for what you creationists do, it's called junk science, mainly because it is junk and because no intelligent being could ever call that standard science. So according to the world sir, you are junk. I already proved that in my posts so you are junk.

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God definitely exists as no human being is not being able to handle this whole nature. Nature exists due to God or we can say that nature is god.


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May 21, 2017, 07:28:40 AM
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As for me I don't belive in God, neither in any esoteric nonsense. But I fully understand the conception of a religon that's based on the faith alone and requires no evidence or proves.
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May 21, 2017, 07:33:59 AM
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As for me I don't belive in God, neither in any esoteric nonsense. But I fully understand the conception of a religon that's based on the faith alone and requires no evidence or proves.
This seems to be a ligit answer. You really don't have to ask a religion person of proves because the only thing he has is the faith and you both know it.
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May 21, 2017, 08:38:52 AM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

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May 21, 2017, 09:47:06 AM
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Not only is probability math science law, but it is one of the foundational pieces of physics in the universe. Probability math, alone, shows us that evolution is impossible.

Can you win the lottery if you are only 1 in 10 million people playing? Yes, you can. The odds are that you won't.

The odds against evolution is so great that ... forget it.


False, if that was the case no scientist would support evolution:
''1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[23] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[24][25]
This simply shows that most scientists have not deeply considered probability math. In fact, most scientists probably have not deeply considered evolution, but simply have accepted the conclusions of fellow scientists, often without even meeting or knowing those fellow scientists.


You keep mentioning probability math. What is your point, what probability are you talking about?

The thing we were talking about is evolution. What are the odds that the atoms and molecules that make up a simple living cell could come together in just the right places to form what a living cell would be? The odds against this happening even once are literally impossible.

Add to this the proper motions for each and every atom and molecule so that the cell can be alive, and you have another big impossibility.

Add to this the fact that any "soup" that we can envision that would allow the above to happen, would immediately kill the new living cell. This means that the cell would have to be ejected from the soup at exactly the time it formed and became alive. This is another impossibility.

But, if the above happened, it would have to happen over and over each time there was an advancement in the cell, to the next level of evolution.

The probability math odds against this happening even once are so strong that it is impossible, and impossible, and impossible, beyond any chance of a possibility. Do the math.

Cool

you sir are so willfully phucking ignorant it is beyond comprehension.
for chrissakes get outta your delusional  echo chamber .and do some research on these subjects you crow about.
oh no wait a minute never mind..you wont listen to the real science. you got yer fingers in your ears if it goes against your retarded fairy tale beliefs.



Well, do the math. The smallest possible living cell would have at least 200 molecules. What are the odds that these 200 molecules of different varieties and substances could ever come together to form a cell? It is essentially impossible. But if they did, they would still have to move into the right motions to make the cell alive.

How in the world ignorant are you? The 200-molecule cell would barely be alive, because cells that small are specialized for a specific job. In nature the cell would have to be a whole lot larger, and the odds against its coming together a whole lot greater.

You evolutionists are so dense that it amazes one how you can even live without riding a bicycle all the time:


Cool

You see, you keep showing how ignorant you are, evolution does not try to determine how the first cell or how life was created, you obviously do not understand evolution at all, thanks for clarifying that.

Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.




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May 21, 2017, 11:57:49 AM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

Cool

If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

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May 21, 2017, 08:32:50 PM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

Cool

If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

Okay. One more time. Does Horacewoodwood exist? Since the only things that we know about Horacewoodwood are things that show up in this forum, we have to say, "YES." Whatever Horacewoodwood is outside and off this forum, who knows? But because he responds in this forum, we know for a fact that he exists. It is a fact, and the evidence is the forum and his posts.

The next thing we have to ask is, do we believe in Horacewoodwood? The answer is maybe. Why maybe? Because some of the things that Horacewoodwood says match reality (at least as we know it), and some don't. Because of this, we can't say that we believe for sure in Horacewoodwood, even though we know for a fact that he exists.

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Not only is probability math science law, but it is one of the foundational pieces of physics in the universe. Probability math, alone, shows us that evolution is impossible.

Can you win the lottery if you are only 1 in 10 million people playing? Yes, you can. The odds are that you won't.

The odds against evolution is so great that ... forget it.


False, if that was the case no scientist would support evolution:
''1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[23] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[24][25]
This simply shows that most scientists have not deeply considered probability math. In fact, most scientists probably have not deeply considered evolution, but simply have accepted the conclusions of fellow scientists, often without even meeting or knowing those fellow scientists.


You keep mentioning probability math. What is your point, what probability are you talking about?

The thing we were talking about is evolution. What are the odds that the atoms and molecules that make up a simple living cell could come together in just the right places to form what a living cell would be? The odds against this happening even once are literally impossible.

Add to this the proper motions for each and every atom and molecule so that the cell can be alive, and you have another big impossibility.

Add to this the fact that any "soup" that we can envision that would allow the above to happen, would immediately kill the new living cell. This means that the cell would have to be ejected from the soup at exactly the time it formed and became alive. This is another impossibility.

But, if the above happened, it would have to happen over and over each time there was an advancement in the cell, to the next level of evolution.

The probability math odds against this happening even once are so strong that it is impossible, and impossible, and impossible, beyond any chance of a possibility. Do the math.

Cool

you sir are so willfully phucking ignorant it is beyond comprehension.
for chrissakes get outta your delusional  echo chamber .and do some research on these subjects you crow about.
oh no wait a minute never mind..you wont listen to the real science. you got yer fingers in your ears if it goes against your retarded fairy tale beliefs.



Well, do the math. The smallest possible living cell would have at least 200 molecules. What are the odds that these 200 molecules of different varieties and substances could ever come together to form a cell? It is essentially impossible. But if they did, they would still have to move into the right motions to make the cell alive.

How in the world ignorant are you? The 200-molecule cell would barely be alive, because cells that small are specialized for a specific job. In nature the cell would have to be a whole lot larger, and the odds against its coming together a whole lot greater.

You evolutionists are so dense that it amazes one how you can even live without riding a bicycle all the time:


Cool

You see, you keep showing how ignorant you are, evolution does not try to determine how the first cell or how life was created, you obviously do not understand evolution at all, thanks for clarifying that.

Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.


The first cell would be the easiest. You're only going down hill with further cells. That simply shows that people are devolving... at least the ones who think that evolution is real.

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May 21, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

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If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

Okay. One more time. Does Horacewoodwood exist? Since the only things that we know about Horacewoodwood are things that show up in this forum, we have to say, "YES." Whatever Horacewoodwood is outside and off this forum, who knows? But because he responds in this forum, we know for a fact that he exists. It is a fact, and the evidence is the forum and his posts.

The next thing we have to ask is, do we believe in Horacewoodwood? The answer is maybe. Why maybe? Because some of the things that Horacewoodwood says match reality (at least as we know it), and some don't. Because of this, we can't say that we believe for sure in Horacewoodwood, even though we know for a fact that he exists.

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I'm sorry, my dog said you are a retard and he claims your place in this world since he is far more intelligent than you are. How did you get to the 'thing' you replied with from my questions? It is not even merely connected yet, somehow, you got there. Boy, when the whole world tells you that you are drunk, go home and rest, because that means you are drunk. Are you not a rational human being? Are you not intelligent enough to see how much shit you spew with every post and how less sense and logic you make with every word that comes off that keyboard? Is reality that harsh for you? If it is, fine, go pray to your gods, believe in whatever the fuck you want to believe, it's not my duty to change your sick beliefs. But let the propaganda out, you moron. Don't tell your kid, if you by mistake have one, that God made the universe, it took him six days, evolution is not real and scientists are just jealous of your work, because you'll ruin his fucking morality. Let him choose, let him study, you fucktard, let him confront both the stories and decide which one is the truth, the evidence based working thing. Damn, son, you like to waste people's time with your same shit, the same shit in every post, getting worse and worse. Claim it as you wish, if logical, reasonable, evidence based rebuttal to your bullshit did not even grab your attention, nothing will ever change your shitty set of values. Only know this: just because you believe it and repeat it, it desn;t make it true. That's not how our reality works. Medicine works through research, based on the very laws you imbecile deny. Same with technology, same with physics, chemistry, biochemistry, etc. They work and they are based on proof, evidence, not on assumptions. You won't be able to change that and your delusional 'truth' will remain an unproven claim. Do the right thing and at least have the balls to at least not 'preach' this shit to children or people who are easy to fool. Keep it for yourself.

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May 22, 2017, 12:50:07 AM
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Badecker is a religious fanatic, of course he would deny evolution. He believes himself to be some kind of renowned scientist, he reinterprets and redefines scientific laws, he believes in God but he is not religious, he is a God himself as he knows God's will, he understands how God is and he is also kind to forgive us for our blasphemy. He might also talk to God and save us from his wrath if we maybe say that he is right and the rest of the world as we know it is not. He does with science the same that he does with his religion. He claims in its name but denies it. Some might say he is full of himself but I have to disagree. He is not full of himself. He is full of shit.
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It is a law of science that a simple theory is more plausible than a complicated one. Another law is that a plausible theory must adequately address the entire body of evidence. What is the plausible and simple theory/explanation for the 40 cases from AECES? Answer: Survival of the personality.
I perceive that non-survival explanations given by you are neither adequate, nor simple.
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May 22, 2017, 01:33:03 AM
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Badecker is a religious fanatic, of course he would deny evolution. He believes himself to be some kind of renowned scientist, he reinterprets and redefines scientific laws, he believes in God but he is not religious, he is a God himself as he knows God's will, he understands how God is and he is also kind to forgive us for our blasphemy. He might also talk to God and save us from his wrath if we maybe say that he is right and the rest of the world as we know it is not. He does with science the same that he does with his religion. He claims in its name but denies it. Some might say he is full of himself but I have to disagree. He is not full of himself. He is full of shit.
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It is a law of science that a simple theory is more plausible than a complicated one. Another law is that a plausible theory must adequately address the entire body of evidence. What is the plausible and simple theory/explanation for the 40 cases from AECES? Answer: Survival of the personality.
I perceive that non-survival explanations given by you are neither adequate, nor simple.

I'm sorry, but how did you link your answer with my post which was about Badecker? I need some time to read all those cases, research and give you my opinion on them, so you have no answer from me, yet you replied to my post about Badecker as if it were my opinion on that matter.

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May 22, 2017, 02:44:40 AM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

Cool

If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

Okay. One more time. Does Horacewoodwood exist? Since the only things that we know about Horacewoodwood are things that show up in this forum, we have to say, "YES." Whatever Horacewoodwood is outside and off this forum, who knows? But because he responds in this forum, we know for a fact that he exists. It is a fact, and the evidence is the forum and his posts.

The next thing we have to ask is, do we believe in Horacewoodwood? The answer is maybe. Why maybe? Because some of the things that Horacewoodwood says match reality (at least as we know it), and some don't. Because of this, we can't say that we believe for sure in Horacewoodwood, even though we know for a fact that he exists.

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I'm sorry, my dog said you are a retard and he claims your place in this world since he is far more intelligent than you are. How did you get to the 'thing' you replied with from my questions? It is not even merely connected yet, somehow, you got there. Boy, when the whole world tells you that you are drunk, go home and rest, because that means you are drunk. Are you not a rational human being? Are you not intelligent enough to see how much shit you spew with every post and how less sense and logic you make with every word that comes off that keyboard? Is reality that harsh for you? If it is, fine, go pray to your gods, believe in whatever the fuck you want to believe, it's not my duty to change your sick beliefs. But let the propaganda out, you moron. Don't tell your kid, if you by mistake have one, that God made the universe, it took him six days, evolution is not real and scientists are just jealous of your work, because you'll ruin his fucking morality. Let him choose, let him study, you fucktard, let him confront both the stories and decide which one is the truth, the evidence based working thing. Damn, son, you like to waste people's time with your same shit, the same shit in every post, getting worse and worse. Claim it as you wish, if logical, reasonable, evidence based rebuttal to your bullshit did not even grab your attention, nothing will ever change your shitty set of values. Only know this: just because you believe it and repeat it, it desn;t make it true. That's not how our reality works. Medicine works through research, based on the very laws you imbecile deny. Same with technology, same with physics, chemistry, biochemistry, etc. They work and they are based on proof, evidence, not on assumptions. You won't be able to change that and your delusional 'truth' will remain an unproven claim. Do the right thing and at least have the balls to at least not 'preach' this shit to children or people who are easy to fool. Keep it for yourself.

My bad. Horacewoodwood doesn't exist. It's his dog that has been posting all this while.

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May 22, 2017, 09:35:58 AM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

Cool

If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

Okay. One more time. Does Horacewoodwood exist? Since the only things that we know about Horacewoodwood are things that show up in this forum, we have to say, "YES." Whatever Horacewoodwood is outside and off this forum, who knows? But because he responds in this forum, we know for a fact that he exists. It is a fact, and the evidence is the forum and his posts.

The next thing we have to ask is, do we believe in Horacewoodwood? The answer is maybe. Why maybe? Because some of the things that Horacewoodwood says match reality (at least as we know it), and some don't. Because of this, we can't say that we believe for sure in Horacewoodwood, even though we know for a fact that he exists.

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I'm sorry, my dog said you are a retard and he claims your place in this world since he is far more intelligent than you are. How did you get to the 'thing' you replied with from my questions? It is not even merely connected yet, somehow, you got there. Boy, when the whole world tells you that you are drunk, go home and rest, because that means you are drunk. Are you not a rational human being? Are you not intelligent enough to see how much shit you spew with every post and how less sense and logic you make with every word that comes off that keyboard? Is reality that harsh for you? If it is, fine, go pray to your gods, believe in whatever the fuck you want to believe, it's not my duty to change your sick beliefs. But let the propaganda out, you moron. Don't tell your kid, if you by mistake have one, that God made the universe, it took him six days, evolution is not real and scientists are just jealous of your work, because you'll ruin his fucking morality. Let him choose, let him study, you fucktard, let him confront both the stories and decide which one is the truth, the evidence based working thing. Damn, son, you like to waste people's time with your same shit, the same shit in every post, getting worse and worse. Claim it as you wish, if logical, reasonable, evidence based rebuttal to your bullshit did not even grab your attention, nothing will ever change your shitty set of values. Only know this: just because you believe it and repeat it, it desn;t make it true. That's not how our reality works. Medicine works through research, based on the very laws you imbecile deny. Same with technology, same with physics, chemistry, biochemistry, etc. They work and they are based on proof, evidence, not on assumptions. You won't be able to change that and your delusional 'truth' will remain an unproven claim. Do the right thing and at least have the balls to at least not 'preach' this shit to children or people who are easy to fool. Keep it for yourself.

My bad. Horacewoodwood doesn't exist. It's his dog that has been posting all this while.

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It's fine, son, I wasn't expecting you to admit how dumb you are. I don't even think you can realize. However, truth stays the same. There are no Gods and there are few people I have seen or heard about in this world that are as dumb as you.

P.S. That would still make my dog more intelligent than you.

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May 22, 2017, 10:18:49 AM
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Not only is probability math science law, but it is one of the foundational pieces of physics in the universe. Probability math, alone, shows us that evolution is impossible.

Can you win the lottery if you are only 1 in 10 million people playing? Yes, you can. The odds are that you won't.

The odds against evolution is so great that ... forget it.


False, if that was the case no scientist would support evolution:
''1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[23] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[24][25]
This simply shows that most scientists have not deeply considered probability math. In fact, most scientists probably have not deeply considered evolution, but simply have accepted the conclusions of fellow scientists, often without even meeting or knowing those fellow scientists.


You keep mentioning probability math. What is your point, what probability are you talking about?

The thing we were talking about is evolution. What are the odds that the atoms and molecules that make up a simple living cell could come together in just the right places to form what a living cell would be? The odds against this happening even once are literally impossible.

Add to this the proper motions for each and every atom and molecule so that the cell can be alive, and you have another big impossibility.

Add to this the fact that any "soup" that we can envision that would allow the above to happen, would immediately kill the new living cell. This means that the cell would have to be ejected from the soup at exactly the time it formed and became alive. This is another impossibility.

But, if the above happened, it would have to happen over and over each time there was an advancement in the cell, to the next level of evolution.

The probability math odds against this happening even once are so strong that it is impossible, and impossible, and impossible, beyond any chance of a possibility. Do the math.

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you sir are so willfully phucking ignorant it is beyond comprehension.
for chrissakes get outta your delusional  echo chamber .and do some research on these subjects you crow about.
oh no wait a minute never mind..you wont listen to the real science. you got yer fingers in your ears if it goes against your retarded fairy tale beliefs.



Well, do the math. The smallest possible living cell would have at least 200 molecules. What are the odds that these 200 molecules of different varieties and substances could ever come together to form a cell? It is essentially impossible. But if they did, they would still have to move into the right motions to make the cell alive.

How in the world ignorant are you? The 200-molecule cell would barely be alive, because cells that small are specialized for a specific job. In nature the cell would have to be a whole lot larger, and the odds against its coming together a whole lot greater.

You evolutionists are so dense that it amazes one how you can even live without riding a bicycle all the time:


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You see, you keep showing how ignorant you are, evolution does not try to determine how the first cell or how life was created, you obviously do not understand evolution at all, thanks for clarifying that.

Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.


The first cell would be the easiest. You're only going down hill with further cells. That simply shows that people are devolving... at least the ones who think that evolution is real.

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No, stop it, stop embarrassing yourself, evolution has nothing to do with cells forming. How can you be so ignorant about it?

Peppered moth - This moth had a light coloring darkened after the Industrial Revolution, due to the pollution of the time. This mutation came about because the light colored moths were seen by birds more readily, so with natural selection, the dark colored moths survived to reproduce.

Italian Wall Lizards - These lizards were taken to an island and left there to see any changes that occurred. They shifted their diet and ate more vegetation, causing a change to their head size, giving them a stronger bite. They also developed cecal valves in their intestine which gives bacteria more time to break down the vegetation.


2 Easy examples of evolution for you so you can understand what it is about. It has nothing to do with probability math or cells forming, please inform yourself before talking because it's going to make you look stupid.



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May 22, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

Cool

If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

Okay. One more time. Does Horacewoodwood exist? Since the only things that we know about Horacewoodwood are things that show up in this forum, we have to say, "YES." Whatever Horacewoodwood is outside and off this forum, who knows? But because he responds in this forum, we know for a fact that he exists. It is a fact, and the evidence is the forum and his posts.

The next thing we have to ask is, do we believe in Horacewoodwood? The answer is maybe. Why maybe? Because some of the things that Horacewoodwood says match reality (at least as we know it), and some don't. Because of this, we can't say that we believe for sure in Horacewoodwood, even though we know for a fact that he exists.

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I'm sorry, my dog said you are a retard and he claims your place in this world since he is far more intelligent than you are. How did you get to the 'thing' you replied with from my questions? It is not even merely connected yet, somehow, you got there. Boy, when the whole world tells you that you are drunk, go home and rest, because that means you are drunk. Are you not a rational human being? Are you not intelligent enough to see how much shit you spew with every post and how less sense and logic you make with every word that comes off that keyboard? Is reality that harsh for you? If it is, fine, go pray to your gods, believe in whatever the fuck you want to believe, it's not my duty to change your sick beliefs. But let the propaganda out, you moron. Don't tell your kid, if you by mistake have one, that God made the universe, it took him six days, evolution is not real and scientists are just jealous of your work, because you'll ruin his fucking morality. Let him choose, let him study, you fucktard, let him confront both the stories and decide which one is the truth, the evidence based working thing. Damn, son, you like to waste people's time with your same shit, the same shit in every post, getting worse and worse. Claim it as you wish, if logical, reasonable, evidence based rebuttal to your bullshit did not even grab your attention, nothing will ever change your shitty set of values. Only know this: just because you believe it and repeat it, it desn;t make it true. That's not how our reality works. Medicine works through research, based on the very laws you imbecile deny. Same with technology, same with physics, chemistry, biochemistry, etc. They work and they are based on proof, evidence, not on assumptions. You won't be able to change that and your delusional 'truth' will remain an unproven claim. Do the right thing and at least have the balls to at least not 'preach' this shit to children or people who are easy to fool. Keep it for yourself.

My bad. Horacewoodwood doesn't exist. It's his dog that has been posting all this while.

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It's fine, son, I wasn't expecting you to admit how dumb you are. I don't even think you can realize. However, truth stays the same. There are no Gods and there are few people I have seen or heard about in this world that are as dumb as you.

P.S. That would still make my dog more intelligent than you.

Why wouldn't I admit how "dumb" I am? Nobody can contain enough knowledge within himself to do the things that God does, or even know about all but a little of it. It's a fact, so why not admit it? Continue to walk around thinking that you are smart, and you will only be showing that you are "dumb."

The first, important thing is believing that God exists. Next is having faith that He will fulfill the things that He says. We are so blessed that we have SEEN that God exists... we have scientific knowledge that He exists. Yet, He says through His Son, Jesus, "Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed."

Having faith in God might seem a long way off for you. But, really. It is an easy transformation. And it is easier still, now that we have the scientific knowledge that He exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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May 22, 2017, 01:29:38 PM
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Not only is probability math science law, but it is one of the foundational pieces of physics in the universe. Probability math, alone, shows us that evolution is impossible.

Can you win the lottery if you are only 1 in 10 million people playing? Yes, you can. The odds are that you won't.

The odds against evolution is so great that ... forget it.


False, if that was the case no scientist would support evolution:
''1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[23] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[24][25]
This simply shows that most scientists have not deeply considered probability math. In fact, most scientists probably have not deeply considered evolution, but simply have accepted the conclusions of fellow scientists, often without even meeting or knowing those fellow scientists.


You keep mentioning probability math. What is your point, what probability are you talking about?

The thing we were talking about is evolution. What are the odds that the atoms and molecules that make up a simple living cell could come together in just the right places to form what a living cell would be? The odds against this happening even once are literally impossible.

Add to this the proper motions for each and every atom and molecule so that the cell can be alive, and you have another big impossibility.

Add to this the fact that any "soup" that we can envision that would allow the above to happen, would immediately kill the new living cell. This means that the cell would have to be ejected from the soup at exactly the time it formed and became alive. This is another impossibility.

But, if the above happened, it would have to happen over and over each time there was an advancement in the cell, to the next level of evolution.

The probability math odds against this happening even once are so strong that it is impossible, and impossible, and impossible, beyond any chance of a possibility. Do the math.

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you sir are so willfully phucking ignorant it is beyond comprehension.
for chrissakes get outta your delusional  echo chamber .and do some research on these subjects you crow about.
oh no wait a minute never mind..you wont listen to the real science. you got yer fingers in your ears if it goes against your retarded fairy tale beliefs.



Well, do the math. The smallest possible living cell would have at least 200 molecules. What are the odds that these 200 molecules of different varieties and substances could ever come together to form a cell? It is essentially impossible. But if they did, they would still have to move into the right motions to make the cell alive.

How in the world ignorant are you? The 200-molecule cell would barely be alive, because cells that small are specialized for a specific job. In nature the cell would have to be a whole lot larger, and the odds against its coming together a whole lot greater.

You evolutionists are so dense that it amazes one how you can even live without riding a bicycle all the time:


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You see, you keep showing how ignorant you are, evolution does not try to determine how the first cell or how life was created, you obviously do not understand evolution at all, thanks for clarifying that.

Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.


The first cell would be the easiest. You're only going down hill with further cells. That simply shows that people are devolving... at least the ones who think that evolution is real.

Cool

No, stop it, stop embarrassing yourself, evolution has nothing to do with cells forming. How can you be so ignorant about it?

Peppered moth - This moth had a light coloring darkened after the Industrial Revolution, due to the pollution of the time. This mutation came about because the light colored moths were seen by birds more readily, so with natural selection, the dark colored moths survived to reproduce.

Italian Wall Lizards - These lizards were taken to an island and left there to see any changes that occurred. They shifted their diet and ate more vegetation, causing a change to their head size, giving them a stronger bite. They also developed cecal valves in their intestine which gives bacteria more time to break down the vegetation.


2 Easy examples of evolution for you so you can understand what it is about. It has nothing to do with probability math or cells forming, please inform yourself before talking because it's going to make you look stupid.

Cause and effect has to do with everything. This means that all natural transformations are essentially programmed in. We simply don't understand the programming because it is so extremely complex. More than likely it ties into dimensions that we know very little about yet... and dimensions that we couldn't hold enough of the knowledge in our minds at once, so that we could even envision them vaguely.

The evolution you talk about is only the recent understanding of the word "evolution." And it is not an all-inclusive understanding. There are many people who still hold that abiogenesis is part of evolution, and that "evolution" includes abiogenesis, and many more things that you have left out of your explanation of what evolution means.

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May 22, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

Cool

If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

Okay. One more time. Does Horacewoodwood exist? Since the only things that we know about Horacewoodwood are things that show up in this forum, we have to say, "YES." Whatever Horacewoodwood is outside and off this forum, who knows? But because he responds in this forum, we know for a fact that he exists. It is a fact, and the evidence is the forum and his posts.

The next thing we have to ask is, do we believe in Horacewoodwood? The answer is maybe. Why maybe? Because some of the things that Horacewoodwood says match reality (at least as we know it), and some don't. Because of this, we can't say that we believe for sure in Horacewoodwood, even though we know for a fact that he exists.

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I'm sorry, my dog said you are a retard and he claims your place in this world since he is far more intelligent than you are. How did you get to the 'thing' you replied with from my questions? It is not even merely connected yet, somehow, you got there. Boy, when the whole world tells you that you are drunk, go home and rest, because that means you are drunk. Are you not a rational human being? Are you not intelligent enough to see how much shit you spew with every post and how less sense and logic you make with every word that comes off that keyboard? Is reality that harsh for you? If it is, fine, go pray to your gods, believe in whatever the fuck you want to believe, it's not my duty to change your sick beliefs. But let the propaganda out, you moron. Don't tell your kid, if you by mistake have one, that God made the universe, it took him six days, evolution is not real and scientists are just jealous of your work, because you'll ruin his fucking morality. Let him choose, let him study, you fucktard, let him confront both the stories and decide which one is the truth, the evidence based working thing. Damn, son, you like to waste people's time with your same shit, the same shit in every post, getting worse and worse. Claim it as you wish, if logical, reasonable, evidence based rebuttal to your bullshit did not even grab your attention, nothing will ever change your shitty set of values. Only know this: just because you believe it and repeat it, it desn;t make it true. That's not how our reality works. Medicine works through research, based on the very laws you imbecile deny. Same with technology, same with physics, chemistry, biochemistry, etc. They work and they are based on proof, evidence, not on assumptions. You won't be able to change that and your delusional 'truth' will remain an unproven claim. Do the right thing and at least have the balls to at least not 'preach' this shit to children or people who are easy to fool. Keep it for yourself.

My bad. Horacewoodwood doesn't exist. It's his dog that has been posting all this while.

 Grin Cheesy Grin
It's fine, son, I wasn't expecting you to admit how dumb you are. I don't even think you can realize. However, truth stays the same. There are no Gods and there are few people I have seen or heard about in this world that are as dumb as you.

P.S. That would still make my dog more intelligent than you.

Why wouldn't I admit how "dumb" I am? Nobody can contain enough knowledge within himself to do the things that God does, or even know about all but a little of it. It's a fact, so why not admit it? Continue to walk around thinking that you are smart, and you will only be showing that you are "dumb."

The first, important thing is believing that God exists. Next is having faith that He will fulfill the things that He says. We are so blessed that we have SEEN that God exists... we have scientific knowledge that He exists. Yet, He says through His Son, Jesus, "Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed."

Having faith in God might seem a long way off for you. But, really. It is an easy transformation. And it is easier still, now that we have the scientific knowledge that He exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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We don't have scientific knowledge he exists, you believe you do, but it's wrong. I am not walking around showing that I am smart, I am telling you that you are an idiot who does not make sense, can not logically have a conversation without making false assumptions. I am not the only one telling you this and I am also not the only one dismantling your so called 'proof'. What I was saying, and it was pretty understandable, is that instead of admitting that you are wrong, you go ahead and act as a smart guy. That makes you dumb, so maybe you should admit to yourself that you are dumb and try to rethink your position. Not because you believe God exists, but because at the moment you are acting as dumb as fuck. Not to mention the fact you denied religion and now you start your babble about Jesus and how God will fulfill the things that he says. But let's suppose you are not dumb and ask a set of questions to at least validate your scientific proof as being about 'something'.
1. Do you mind answering me what he will fulfill? What are the things God says he fulfills and he will?
2. How can you determine Jesus was the son of God? What evidence do you base your claim on?
3. Do you admit that you believe in a biblical God? If you do, how can you claim scientific proof of something that is 90% scientifically wrong from the start?
4. Also, why did you try to leave out religion since that's where the God thing started from all along?
5. Why should I believe that your God is the real one and not the one from Islam, or from classical Greece, or any other God that ever existed?
6. Why do you believe in specifically that God? Why don't you believe in all of the other Gods?
7. If your God is the biblical one, why was it necessary for him to kill, to sustain slavery, to interact with free will, etc?
8. Why did he have an apple tree in the Garden of Eden since they needed no food because there was no death, they were immortals?
9. How come a God with such a complex programming skill, all knowing, all powerful got to fuck up things so bad in the beginning?
10. Do you believe in the writings in the bible? If no, then how can you believe in that God?
Can you answer these? Scientifically, we first need to establish if the God that influenced your view on life is a fraud or not. To do that, we trace things back to the revelation, to where God 'revealed' himself to the people so guys like you today could claim proof of him. Why do we do that? Well, in order to see if there was a revelation or not. If there was no revelation, if the whole book is a lie, a simple explanation for what people did not understand in those days, if it is just a work of literature and bears actually no truth whatsoever, than your premise that God may exist are false from the beginning. That means that you are trying to prove that something that started as a lie is in fact truth because you were raised believing in that lie, because the whole community around you believed in the same lie and your mind can only report itself to that lie in order to explain things that are already explained or things that are not explained but you think you can explain just by tagging them with that lie, God.

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May 22, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
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^^^^^ However, proof that God exists gives you a firm foundation for your faith.

Imagine that you want a new car. Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air? Probably not. But which would be easier to have faith for?:
1. a Ford Mustang just like the one down at the dealer?;
2. a new type of car, that you can't even envision because it has never been made, and nobody knows what it looks like, not even you?

While we could debate the car thing a bit, the point is that when you know that God exists, you have a firm foundation for believing what He says. You have a firm foundation for your faith in what He says. Your foundation is God, Himself, and the knowledge that He exists.

Cool

If there would ever be proof of God, you would not need faith anymore, it would be fact. But your car example is absolutely delicious, regarding the fact that number one is science and number two is God. However, the sad truth is that most people choose number two. What I also observed is the subtle propaganda: 'Is your faith strong enough that, poof, the car will exist, right in your driveway, out of thin air?' - Why did you specifically ask this? Is there anyone who can make cars appear using his faith? Is it possible for people to do this? Could faith ever get strong enough to make things appear out of nothing? If yes, can you prove it?

Okay. One more time. Does Horacewoodwood exist? Since the only things that we know about Horacewoodwood are things that show up in this forum, we have to say, "YES." Whatever Horacewoodwood is outside and off this forum, who knows? But because he responds in this forum, we know for a fact that he exists. It is a fact, and the evidence is the forum and his posts.

The next thing we have to ask is, do we believe in Horacewoodwood? The answer is maybe. Why maybe? Because some of the things that Horacewoodwood says match reality (at least as we know it), and some don't. Because of this, we can't say that we believe for sure in Horacewoodwood, even though we know for a fact that he exists.

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I'm sorry, my dog said you are a retard and he claims your place in this world since he is far more intelligent than you are. How did you get to the 'thing' you replied with from my questions? It is not even merely connected yet, somehow, you got there. Boy, when the whole world tells you that you are drunk, go home and rest, because that means you are drunk. Are you not a rational human being? Are you not intelligent enough to see how much shit you spew with every post and how less sense and logic you make with every word that comes off that keyboard? Is reality that harsh for you? If it is, fine, go pray to your gods, believe in whatever the fuck you want to believe, it's not my duty to change your sick beliefs. But let the propaganda out, you moron. Don't tell your kid, if you by mistake have one, that God made the universe, it took him six days, evolution is not real and scientists are just jealous of your work, because you'll ruin his fucking morality. Let him choose, let him study, you fucktard, let him confront both the stories and decide which one is the truth, the evidence based working thing. Damn, son, you like to waste people's time with your same shit, the same shit in every post, getting worse and worse. Claim it as you wish, if logical, reasonable, evidence based rebuttal to your bullshit did not even grab your attention, nothing will ever change your shitty set of values. Only know this: just because you believe it and repeat it, it desn;t make it true. That's not how our reality works. Medicine works through research, based on the very laws you imbecile deny. Same with technology, same with physics, chemistry, biochemistry, etc. They work and they are based on proof, evidence, not on assumptions. You won't be able to change that and your delusional 'truth' will remain an unproven claim. Do the right thing and at least have the balls to at least not 'preach' this shit to children or people who are easy to fool. Keep it for yourself.

My bad. Horacewoodwood doesn't exist. It's his dog that has been posting all this while.

 Grin Cheesy Grin
It's fine, son, I wasn't expecting you to admit how dumb you are. I don't even think you can realize. However, truth stays the same. There are no Gods and there are few people I have seen or heard about in this world that are as dumb as you.

P.S. That would still make my dog more intelligent than you.

Why wouldn't I admit how "dumb" I am? Nobody can contain enough knowledge within himself to do the things that God does, or even know about all but a little of it. It's a fact, so why not admit it? Continue to walk around thinking that you are smart, and you will only be showing that you are "dumb."

The first, important thing is believing that God exists. Next is having faith that He will fulfill the things that He says. We are so blessed that we have SEEN that God exists... we have scientific knowledge that He exists. Yet, He says through His Son, Jesus, "Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed."

Having faith in God might seem a long way off for you. But, really. It is an easy transformation. And it is easier still, now that we have the scientific knowledge that He exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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We don't have scientific knowledge he exists, you believe you do, but it's wrong. I am not walking around showing that I am smart, I am telling you that you are an idiot who does not make sense, can not logically have a conversation without making false assumptions. I am not the only one telling you this and I am also not the only one dismantling your so called 'proof'. What I was saying, and it was pretty understandable, is that instead of admitting that you are wrong, you go ahead and act as a smart guy. That makes you dumb, so maybe you should admit to yourself that you are dumb and try to rethink your position. Not because you believe God exists, but because at the moment you are acting as dumb as fuck. Not to mention the fact you denied religion and now you start your babble about Jesus and how God will fulfill the things that he says. But let's suppose you are not dumb and ask a set of questions to at least validate your scientific proof as being about 'something'.
1. Do you mind answering me what he will fulfill? What are the things God says he fulfills and he will?
2. How can you determine Jesus was the son of God? What evidence do you base your claim on?
3. Do you admit that you believe in a biblical God? If you do, how can you claim scientific proof of something that is 90% scientifically wrong from the start?
4. Also, why did you try to leave out religion since that's where the God thing started from all along?
5. Why should I believe that your God is the real one and not the one from Islam, or from classical Greece, or any other God that ever existed?
6. Why do you believe in specifically that God? Why don't you believe in all of the other Gods?
7. If your God is the biblical one, why was it necessary for him to kill, to sustain slavery, to interact with free will, etc?
8. Why did he have an apple tree in the Garden of Eden since they needed no food because there was no death, they were immortals?
9. How come a God with such a complex programming skill, all knowing, all powerful got to fuck up things so bad in the beginning?
10. Do you believe in the writings in the bible? If no, then how can you believe in that God?
Can you answer these? Scientifically, we first need to establish if the God that influenced your view on life is a fraud or not. To do that, we trace things back to the revelation, to where God 'revealed' himself to the people so guys like you today could claim proof of him. Why do we do that? Well, in order to see if there was a revelation or not. If there was no revelation, if the whole book is a lie, a simple explanation for what people did not understand in those days, if it is just a work of literature and bears actually no truth whatsoever, than your premise that God may exist are false from the beginning. That means that you are trying to prove that something that started as a lie is in fact truth because you were raised believing in that lie, because the whole community around you believed in the same lie and your mind can only report itself to that lie in order to explain things that are already explained or things that are not explained but you think you can explain just by tagging them with that lie, God.
I read the comments I sometimes get very funny And not even because someone is trying Compare the existence of the unprecedented Ford Mustang to the existence of God, but simply because I'm generally trying to find some scientific explanation for all the phenomenon and also the proof of the existence of God. I believe that a person must have Faith. Faith is what anyone wants but it should be.

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May 22, 2017, 06:36:33 PM
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We don't need proof. Take a good look inside yourself. Most people fail to look inside themselves for God. Instead, they look to their surroundings and conclude that since the world is such a mess, God must not be there, if He ever existed at all. They forget that since God created us, we bear His fingerprints and those fingerprints point to His existence.
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