Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

If Earth looks something like the following then questioning the existence of a creator is a ridiculous proposition.


Flat Earth Model

That's kind of a silly thing to say.

The acceptance of or rejection of God doesn't have anything to do with the earth model. Why not? Because when a GE scientist gets done with his work in the observatory, he goes outside to get in the car to go home. That's when he sees the flat earth, even though he knows it's a globe.

If he happens to believe in God, he understands that God made it look flat by the immense size of it, but that when you get out and away in space, you can see the globe from that distance.

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[Astargath]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

[justingmorlang]

A long time ago I saw a documentary that explained the death according to the theory of relativity, which said that our brain behaves according to these laws and that once dead this energy was released To the universe as a soul

[sirazimuth]

ya know i just had a revelation...
there's this invisible sky fairy that poofed everything into existence in 7 days ... (science proves he exists doncha know)
the earth is flat... (cuz that notbatshit crazy character says so and the youtube videos prove it so that's settled)
the moon landings were a hoax...
telekinesis and ESP is the real deal cuz the CIA says so (and Uri Geller ,so that proves it)...
bigfoot and the lochness monster really exist...
space aliens have visited and kidnapped people...
psychics talk to the dead and predict the future and help police solve crimes...
those water dowsers with the stick really work...
homeopathy pills work....no really they do...just ask james randi... he ate a whole bottle of em. !!
my horoscope describes me to the tea...
hari krishners levitate...
SO...have i missed anything?


oh btw my favorite drink...

A Woo Woo
vodka, peach schnapps, and cranberry juice.   

[qwik2learn]

telekinesis and ESP is the real deal cuz the CIA says so

The rest of your post is filled with red herrings attempting to BURY this one statement.
As a matter of fact, this document about the CIA's TK testing is 100% authentic.
You did not question the credibility of the CIA.
You have no issue with accepting their research at face value.
So what is the problem with this claim of mine? Why would you remain skeptical about TK with sources like these?
Perhaps you believe that if it sounds like woo and if James Randi did not test it then it was not a valid test?  


Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

[Astargath]

telekinesis and ESP is the real deal cuz the CIA says so

The rest of your post is filled with red herrings attempting to BURY this one statement.
As a matter of fact, this document about the CIA's TK testing is 100% authentic.
You did not question the credibility of the CIA.
You have no issue with accepting their research at face value.
So what is the problem with this claim of mine? Why would you remain skeptical about TK with sources like these?
Perhaps you believe that if it sounds like woo and if James Randi did not test it then it was not a valid test?  


Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

Where is the school that teaches telekinesis if it's real? Why do you think scientists would dismiss it if it was real? The applications would be amazing yet we see no applications whatsoever. Where are all the people moving objects with their minds at?

[BADecker]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

[Astargath]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

[Bagrras]

Okay, I'm reading it.
But, whatever people say, God exists in ourselves, in our hearts and souls. It doesn't need any scientific proof

[qwik2learn]

telekinesis and ESP is the real deal cuz the CIA says so

The rest of your post is filled with red herrings attempting to BURY this one statement.
As a matter of fact, this document about the CIA's TK testing is 100% authentic.
You did not question the credibility of the CIA.
You have no issue with accepting their research at face value.
So what is the problem with this claim of mine? Why would you remain skeptical about TK with sources like these?
Perhaps you believe that if it sounds like woo and if James Randi did not test it then it was not a valid test?  


Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

Where is the school that teaches telekinesis if it's real? Why do you think scientists would dismiss it if it was real? The applications would be amazing yet we see no applications whatsoever. Where are all the people moving objects with their minds at?

Now wait just a minute!
What about the scientists who studied the gamma wave spike of the Israeli mentalist? Why would you question the existence of psychics when it was shown by these scholars? Did you find a hole in the methods? Did anyone find a big hole in the experimental methods? Why should there be doubt about the results that have proven TK? Also:
Why do you ask so many questions of me? Maybe it should be your own research project. None of these questions are hard to answer, and even if nobody could teach it then you would still have to admit that it was shown to exist (you can see more episodes of Superhumans for other examples of "gifted people"), I say that these questions are not hard to answer because I gave many varied sources already in my posts. If you want to know of a good psychic development course then I could give you my opinion in PM. A good place to start reading about some evidence from an academic perspective is the book Irreducible Mind.

[Astargath]

telekinesis and ESP is the real deal cuz the CIA says so

The rest of your post is filled with red herrings attempting to BURY this one statement.
As a matter of fact, this document about the CIA's TK testing is 100% authentic.
You did not question the credibility of the CIA.
You have no issue with accepting their research at face value.
So what is the problem with this claim of mine? Why would you remain skeptical about TK with sources like these?
Perhaps you believe that if it sounds like woo and if James Randi did not test it then it was not a valid test?  


Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

Where is the school that teaches telekinesis if it's real? Why do you think scientists would dismiss it if it was real? The applications would be amazing yet we see no applications whatsoever. Where are all the people moving objects with their minds at?

Now wait just a minute!
What about the scientists who studied the gamma wave spike of the Israeli mentalist? Why would you question the existence of psychics when it was shown by these scholars? Did you find a hole in the methods? Did anyone find a big hole in the experimental methods? Why should there be doubt about the results that have proven TK? Also:
Why do you ask so many questions of me? Maybe it should be your own research project. None of these questions are hard to answer, and even if nobody could teach it then you would still have to admit that it was shown to exist (you can see more episodes of Superhumans for other examples of "gifted people"), I say that these questions are not hard to answer because I gave many varied sources already in my posts. If you want to know of a good psychic development course then I could give you my opinion in PM. A good place to start reading about some evidence from an academic perspective is the book Irreducible Mind.

Because if superpowers like those really existed everyone would know about them. Is not like scientists are purposely hiding it from people, it's just that it doesn't exist.

[Flyyyy]

Who needs this evidence? People are already divided into those who believe in God and those who do not believe in God. And the opinion of scientists for these people is not important. I'm not sure that some atheist will read the report of the scientists and sharply change his mind. This has been developing over the years and does not change so quickly

[BADecker]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Astargath]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

I guess that's admitting you lost because whenever someone asks you a direct question about something that you can't answer, you just post the links. Nowhere in those links you explain how complexity proves God.

[sirazimuth]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Well thank phuk for that !!  now i can drink!!
jeezus dude, its been like 2 pages and you hadn't posted your links!!!
i was starting to worry your account was hacked or something!
phew !!! (BURP)

[qwik2learn]

Because if superpowers like those really existed everyone would know about them.
Is not like scientists are purposely hiding it from people, it's just that it doesn't exist.

No, that does not follow, you cannot say that the existence of a thing is entirely based on popular belief. Many people like yourself have prejudices such that they would deny TK even when presented with scientific evidence. Go figure!
Many people already believe in the supernatural, and parapsychology has a long history, and many eminent researchers believed in these ideas. The reason that most people do not know about the evidence is not important, the science stands by itself regardless of popular belief. To be rational means that you are capable of intelligently assessing new ideas when presented. You have not been able to do that, instead you propose a sort of bandwagon argument.
How can it not exist when I have 2 tests that prove it?
You are trying to cover up the results and say that TK does not exist but you refuse to address the experiments.

[BADecker]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

I guess that's admitting you lost because whenever someone asks you a direct question about something that you can't answer, you just post the links. Nowhere in those links you explain how complexity proves God.

Nobody is going to force you to look at or think about the answer to anything you ask. And often your questions is so extremely stupid that they don't deserve an answer. Why not? Because it is easily researchable on the Internet and elsewhere.

In addition, you can't be serious in some of your questions. Why not? You often ask a question that has been answered one or two posts directly above... posts that you quote in your post in which you ask the questions. What? Does your mommy still spoon-feed you, too?

The point is that you simply don't want to accept the science. So you play around with the words that describe the science.

Wake up and see that long ago science proved that God existed... from the time of Newton or earlier. All the science since then that tries to prove that God doesn't exist has only served to strengthen the proof that He does.

[Astargath]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

I guess that's admitting you lost because whenever someone asks you a direct question about something that you can't answer, you just post the links. Nowhere in those links you explain how complexity proves God.

Nobody is going to force you to look at or think about the answer to anything you ask. And often your questions is so extremely stupid that they don't deserve an answer. Why not? Because it is easily researchable on the Internet and elsewhere.

In addition, you can't be serious in some of your questions. Why not? You often ask a question that has been answered one or two posts directly above... posts that you quote in your post in which you ask the questions. What? Does your mommy still spoon-feed you, too?

The point is that you simply don't want to accept the science. So you play around with the words that describe the science.

Wake up and see that long ago science proved that God existed... from the time of Newton or earlier. All the science since then that tries to prove that God doesn't exist has only served to strengthen the proof that He does.

Ignoring the question does not prove your point. I said anything more complex than the universe can be the creator of the universe, not necessarily god and you have no rebuttal for that you just keep rambling and posting your links.

[BADecker]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

I guess that's admitting you lost because whenever someone asks you a direct question about something that you can't answer, you just post the links. Nowhere in those links you explain how complexity proves God.

Nobody is going to force you to look at or think about the answer to anything you ask. And often your questions is so extremely stupid that they don't deserve an answer. Why not? Because it is easily researchable on the Internet and elsewhere.

In addition, you can't be serious in some of your questions. Why not? You often ask a question that has been answered one or two posts directly above... posts that you quote in your post in which you ask the questions. What? Does your mommy still spoon-feed you, too?

The point is that you simply don't want to accept the science. So you play around with the words that describe the science.

Wake up and see that long ago science proved that God existed... from the time of Newton or earlier. All the science since then that tries to prove that God doesn't exist has only served to strengthen the proof that He does.

Ignoring the question does not prove your point. I said anything more complex than the universe can be the creator of the universe, not necessarily god and you have no rebuttal for that you just keep rambling and posting your links.

Why do you assume that anything more complex than the universe can be the creator of it? You don't have a clue about that.

What are you talking about, a rebuttal to what you said? People used to say the moon was made of green cheese. They didn't know, and you don't know.

What are you going to do? Sit around all day and talk stupidity? And then ask why somebody doesn't rebut your stupidity? You are getting more and more like those Flat Earth people all the time.

[Astargath]

No, as you said, it just has to be more complex lol

Are you really trying to say that the universe and cause and effect are barely more complex than you are?

Try tossing countless numbers of electrons, protons, and neutrons into existence in a cause and effect "pattern" and producing intelligence thousands of years later. Do you even know how to start to do this? God did it. His complexity is way beyond that of the resulting Universe He made.

When did I say ''barely'' You said the thing that created the universe has to be more complex than the universe and I said, ok, then that thing only has to be more complex, that still doesn't show it's god, it just shows the thing that created it has to be more complex.

It seems that badecker has given up, do you admit that you can't prove the existence of God now badecker or are you just trying to ignore me now.

Silly boy. By your posts in Health and Religion, you accept that God exists. Yet you want to deny the scientific proof, even though any dny points you have, have been rebutted (they weren't really points at all). Are you operating on faith that you believe in God now?

Get into the Bible and find out about Him, to strengthen the little bit of faith you have.

You lost, just admit it. You said complexity proved god and you never explained how, you just said the creator has to be more complex than the universe, which does not prove god.

See what a nice guy I am? I just found it for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

I guess that's admitting you lost because whenever someone asks you a direct question about something that you can't answer, you just post the links. Nowhere in those links you explain how complexity proves God.

Nobody is going to force you to look at or think about the answer to anything you ask. And often your questions is so extremely stupid that they don't deserve an answer. Why not? Because it is easily researchable on the Internet and elsewhere.

In addition, you can't be serious in some of your questions. Why not? You often ask a question that has been answered one or two posts directly above... posts that you quote in your post in which you ask the questions. What? Does your mommy still spoon-feed you, too?

The point is that you simply don't want to accept the science. So you play around with the words that describe the science.

Wake up and see that long ago science proved that God existed... from the time of Newton or earlier. All the science since then that tries to prove that God doesn't exist has only served to strengthen the proof that He does.

Ignoring the question does not prove your point. I said anything more complex than the universe can be the creator of the universe, not necessarily god and you have no rebuttal for that you just keep rambling and posting your links.

Why do you assume that anything more complex than the universe can be the creator of it? You don't have a clue about that.

What are you talking about, a rebuttal to what you said? People used to say the moon was made of green cheese. They didn't know, and you don't know.

What are you going to do? Sit around all day and talk stupidity? And then ask why somebody doesn't rebut your stupidity? You are getting more and more like those Flat Earth people all the time.

You are the one who keeps saying the creator has to be more complex, you are the one bringing complexity all the time and now you don't agree with it?