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July 26, 2017, 05:17:11 PM
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Yeah, I'm full of shit. So far my life has been the same, I have never seen telekinesis. I will probably die at 80 and not see telekinesis with my eyes, you know why? Because it doesn't exist. Stop believing nonsensical garbage, is not helping you with anything, is it?
The claims you made do not follow each other and are not based in evidence: you never state that these tests are flawed, so what reason is there to reject them? Just because you were not a witness?

Chain of claims made by you:
I have never seen TK.
I will never see TK.
TK does not exist.
Knowing about (the existence of) TK is not helpful or practical.

You arguments never address the science. Not one of your arguments have ever addressed the evidence, you are covering up the results of these tests because you cannot explain them. I also linked to a test where the TK was recorded on video, but you did not care to see the tests since then you would NOT be able to claim that you have never seen TK.

While I don't necessarily accept the things you say, I haven't investigated them. But...

There are several jokers on who appear in threads like this one, who claim to support science, yet believe opposite the science. They don't have rebuttals to science, yet they won't accept it.

Personally, I don't know whether they are trolls, or are simply, staunchly in favor of their religion, and don't even recognize it as religion, but call it science.

It's about time that the science community wakes up and reports the truth right out in the open... that they don't really know much of anything. After all, the science theorists aren't the ones doing most of the new science work. It is the experimenters and the engineers doing it. Then the theorists adjust their theories according to what the engineers find that reality is.

Those troll-like jokers simply stick with the old theories of the theorists rather than accepting new findings, and the thing that reality has always been.

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I have seen atheists adjust their worldviews based on the evidence, but not in this thread!
If the atheists and pseudoskeptics in this thread had anything substantial to say about this evidence, they would have said it already. Instead of offering reasoned rebuttals, they use troll tactics. Instead of investigating the evidence they claim that anything related to spirituality is impossible.



what evidence?
I guess you have never seen a magician perform. (you very conveniently did not quote my reply to you that referred to magicians... I wonder why?)
Make stuff vanish... saw people in half etc.
they do all that spiritual stuff too, and TK to boot!

 only difference being
they do it a lot better ... and they tell you from the outset its ALL an illusion.

I get it you want to believe the spirituality and tk silliness.
I know it's far more fun believing  all that  woo woo shit actually exists.
Hell, I loved watching the Twilight Zone back in the day! (still do on netflix)

but at the end of the day
it's all just  a magician's illusion or a derivative thereof.(see Occam's razor )
Not a fraudster like Uri Geller who tried to convince the gullible it's not a trick.spoon bending rubbish and the like)
To put it in a nutshell...
There is no magic, woo woo, tk,esp, ufos, talking to the dead, bigfoot,
ghosts,horoscopes, flat earth (there ya go badecker, one we agree on!)  or invisible sky fairy etc etc etc.. ILL STAKE MY LIFE ON IT!
I put all that crap in one big box marked in capitals...  "TOTAL BULLSHIT NONSENSE FOR THE RATIONALLY CHALLENGED" !!
Get over it , be rational and live in the real world.  and BTW you best make the most of it
because this is your only life . No fantasy afterlife, no heaven or hell... (and quite frankly given a choice, if they did exist
I'd take the latter hands down... heaven sounds boring as shit but that devil character?.... sounds like a partying dude, lol)

.hey when's episode 25 anyway? (or is it 24? ..oh crap.. i lost count , damn i gotta stop drinkin!...........)


Cause and effect exists in everything.
Essentially all scientists know about cause and effect.
We have no real evidence about how cause and effect started.
Cause and effect is essentially programming.

Study cause and effect. You have been caused to say the things that you say, just like I have been caused to say what I say.

The depth and scope of cause and effect within the universe is so great, that only God could have started it. Entropy shows that there was a start. Complexity shows the greatness of cause and effect, thereby showing the greatness of God. This is pure science, not religion at all.

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What caused god?
Why is my answer not enough for you? Do your homework! The first cause is one that is self-existing and cannot be known in any way, this is called an Ultimate Religious Idea and it is marked Unknowable. Even though the answer is unknown, GOD has some actualities that validate his existence. On the other hand, there is ZERO evidence of a self-existing universe or any other self-existing thing!

not only that no current hypothesis is tenable, but also that no tenable hypothesis can be framed.

§11. Respecting the origin of the Universe three verbally intelligible suppositions may be made. We may assert that it is self-existent; or that it is self-created; or that it is created by an external agency. Which of these suppositions is most credible it is not needful here to inquire. The deeper question, into which this finally merges, is, whether any one of them is even conceivable in the true sense of the word. Let us successively test them...

http://www.constitution.org/hs/first_prin.htm
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July 26, 2017, 05:30:29 PM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.

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July 26, 2017, 08:25:25 PM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.

Scientists have known forever that basic science law proves that God exists. Many scientists understand this. The others simply don't want to look at it. The scientific proof for God is written here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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July 26, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.

Scientists have known forever that basic science law proves that God exists. Many scientists understand this. The others simply don't want to look at it. The scientific proof for God is written here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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What caused god, what made god. How does cause and effect prove that god did it, why not aliens, why not something else, why a sentient being. You do not know, you are assuming it's god because you are religious. Scientists thankfully are not brainwashed and they will continue to be useful unlike your god or religion. Stay ignorant.
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July 26, 2017, 08:41:12 PM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.

Scientists have known forever that basic science law proves that God exists. Many scientists understand this. The others simply don't want to look at it. The scientific proof for God is written here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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What caused god, what made god. How does cause and effect prove that god did it, why not aliens, why not something else, why a sentient being. You do not know, you are assuming it's god because you are religious. Scientists thankfully are not brainwashed and they will continue to be useful unlike your god or religion. Stay ignorant.

You are brainwashed. Evolution scientists have done it to you. I have answered your questions several times. The fact is that you simply don't want the answers. You are tossing out science for your evolution religion.

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July 26, 2017, 10:19:29 PM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.

Scientists have known forever that basic science law proves that God exists. Many scientists understand this. The others simply don't want to look at it. The scientific proof for God is written here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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What caused god, what made god. How does cause and effect prove that god did it, why not aliens, why not something else, why a sentient being. You do not know, you are assuming it's god because you are religious. Scientists thankfully are not brainwashed and they will continue to be useful unlike your god or religion. Stay ignorant.

You are brainwashed. Evolution scientists have done it to you. I have answered your questions several times. The fact is that you simply don't want the answers. You are tossing out science for your evolution religion.

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No you haven't, you just simply call anything god for some reason.
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July 27, 2017, 01:04:50 AM
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Most magicians when they do this kind of thing, well you know that it’s all a show, however in Guy Bavli’s case he tells everyone it is real.



oh man..... are you serious? are you saying you actually believe this guy bavli is for real??? as in.. no tricks?! 
if so....OH MY PHRIKKIN GOD!!!
 you really are as gullible as the day is long !! ( actually more so)...and you know what?
i think badecker will back me up on this !
 (I base this on the fact that despite his magic invisible sky fairy belief
 he none the less does not do the flat earth thing, so there is that anyway...)

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July 27, 2017, 06:01:20 AM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.
Many great scientists did believe that GOD was a sound explanation, see for yourself:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers
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July 27, 2017, 06:02:41 AM
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Most magicians when they do this kind of thing, well you know that it’s all a show, however in Guy Bavli’s case he tells everyone it is real.



oh man..... are you serious? are you saying you actually believe this guy bavli is for real??? as in.. no tricks?! 
if so....OH MY PHRIKKIN GOD!!!
 you really are as gullible as the day is long !! ( actually more so)...and you know what?
i think badecker will back me up on this !
 (I base this on the fact that despite his magic invisible sky fairy belief
 he none the less does not do the flat earth thing, so there is that anyway...)

Wow, you really do not have anything but your lame opinions to contribute!
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July 27, 2017, 06:51:02 AM
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God is like Santa Claus, no proof for both.
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July 27, 2017, 07:24:39 AM
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somebody believe god may exist , but some body believe god may does not exist .

it is completely based on their believes. but in our world lot of people believe god may exist.
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July 27, 2017, 07:35:50 AM
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Theres no proof that god exists but in others God is true, Cause God give us strength and hope.

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July 27, 2017, 10:04:31 AM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.
Many great scientists did believe that GOD was a sound explanation, see for yourself:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers

He said usually. The survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.

So obviously scientists do believe less in god than the general population and so does people who are highly educated. According to Gallup's 2002 Index of Leading Religious Indicators*, 88% of those with postgraduate degrees believe in God or a universal spirit, compared to 97% of those with a high school education or less. More dramatically, postgraduate degree holders are less likely than those with a high school education or less to believe that religion can answer today's problems, by a margin of 51% to 68%. And those with a high school education or less are more likely than their postgraduate counterparts to say that religion is "important" or "very important" in their lives (65% to 53%). All this would seem to confirm that highly educated individuals put less emphasis on the role of religion than less educated individuals do.

Hopefully in the future people will be educated enough to make religion disappear. 
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July 27, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
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wow you actually put the word "science" and "God" in one sentence.

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July 27, 2017, 02:29:01 PM
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Philosophy includes all human knowledge. The boundaries aren't exactly defined  And it covers theology or study of Great Creator. While Science is the study of the consistent, observable features of the world. What I am trying to say is that science is a different field, you cannot find scientific explanation that will prove God's existence. Instead go and look out to theology related books for you to see.  Smiley
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July 27, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
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correct .... god exists as a word ... signifying a term .... can be anything or anybody that somebody or something is missing .... but, god must stay in transcendence, it is not possible to have a god in the experience (we must think that we have existence in experience and existence in transcendence) .... soon the god leaves transcendence (where he can be perfect and worshiped (believed)) he becomes devil (deviation) .... you have noticed that we talk of god in experience in negative sense: latest time it was on discuss somewhere, where they said that obama acted as a god when he provided his divine providence of $160K a year to his mother-in-law .... trump has corrected it, of course .... now, this is a huge problem for me .... i work, namely, as a presumed secular god in the grassroot, to gain some experience of the god in experience, as celebrities oprah and bono  can not leave mundane to reside in divine, as i can do .... but, my definition kills me .... god is anything that is missing .... so, again, i think that we can induce secular god and his zillion divine dollars under disguise of premise that it is "exemption of the rule to confirm the rule" or as someone of you said: "definition in absence" .... the church said to jesus: yes jeshua you are son of the god and aren't we all .... but, you can not make one miracle with wine and one miracle with resurrection .... you have to provide all people with wine as zikalkis will do and is doing .... lol

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July 27, 2017, 04:38:14 PM
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Scientist usually dont believe in god because they have explanations on things that occured. They like to explain it using scientific terms. But some of them connected the bible and their smart guess creating that GOD really exists.
Many great scientists did believe that GOD was a sound explanation, see for yourself:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers

He said usually. The survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.

So obviously scientists do believe less in god than the general population and so does people who are highly educated. According to Gallup's 2002 Index of Leading Religious Indicators*, 88% of those with postgraduate degrees believe in God or a universal spirit, compared to 97% of those with a high school education or less. More dramatically, postgraduate degree holders are less likely than those with a high school education or less to believe that religion can answer today's problems, by a margin of 51% to 68%. And those with a high school education or less are more likely than their postgraduate counterparts to say that religion is "important" or "very important" in their lives (65% to 53%). All this would seem to confirm that highly educated individuals put less emphasis on the role of religion than less educated individuals do.

Hopefully in the future people will be educated enough to make religion disappear.  
You refuse to educate yourself on the evidence and you have no scientific rebuttal to the same.
The brightest researchers recognized the truth about materialism and GOD. Science is not based on popular vote but on relating one phenomena to another. The brightest minds in science recognized that there was evidence for a higher power and that materialism is not a rational philosophy. Their claims are all based in evidence but you will not even consider their ideas, what good is science if you are expecting an outcome and refuse outside information?
You have not recognized any truth from my posts, not because I am lying about the evidence, but because your beliefs will not allow you to open your eyes to even a single truth. Prove me wrong!
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July 27, 2017, 05:11:03 PM
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god is anything that is missing ....

God is everything that has yet to be found for those who are seeking   Cheesy
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July 27, 2017, 06:21:41 PM
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As a scientist it is impossible to disprove the existence of God but current evidence is non-existence. If God does exist though, what a bastard they are for letting children die of illness, famine and poverty.

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July 27, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
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FAITH is the best quality of accepting God and God's love within us. The story is written in the so-called bible. Generally not speaking, God does not need proof because God comes into our heart since then and He will live forever. To stop asking question like this, keep on reading Bible, not seeking God through your questions. Smiley
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