Scientific proof that God exists?

[febryza]

this world really exist, ofcourse there's a creater, and the creater is almighty GOD.

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[BADecker]

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101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

 Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html

The only proof that God really exists is when you BELIEVE.

When you believe, God provides you with special, spiritual proof of His existence. But God doesn't want the unbelievers to go on their way and die eternally... simply because they don't understand that He exists. That's why He gives scientific proof for His existence. Even the Bible talks about the proof. See a few world proofs listed in the Bible at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg23902422#msg23902422.

Further, James in the Bible says that even demons believe that there is one God. But it doesn't do them any good. See James 2:19:

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

The point is that simply having proof that God exists isn't enough to save yourself from destruction.

Proof for the existence of God is only the beginning. Once you know that God exists, then you have to believe what He says. If you don't believe Him, all your knowledge of Him is useless.

This being a science thread, jump to the proofs offered at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg23902422#msg23902422, and then consider how they are scientific proofs as well as Bible proofs.

[Astargath]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

[BADecker]

''As for design, no matter what we find on earth, be it something man-made or something not man-made, when we get down to the fundamentals of it, it is extremely complex.'' However my  point was and it's clear that you didn't read it, that something complex doesn't mean something designed. ''Complex effects are design.'' Because you say so? ''There is nothing that we find that is opposite to this'' Opposite to what? There is nothing that we found that is not designed by humans or animals so far either.

''Even simple rocks are complex at their atomic level. All is complexity. Complexity comes about via design.'' Prove it. You can't say, rocks are complex, all is complex, complex is design. How the fuck did you come up with that conclusion lol. I already argued with you on how we know things are designed, we compare them with nature, we don't look to see if they are complex or not necessarily. ''
For example, many naturally occurring rock fragments just happen to have a sharp edge that is well-suited for serving the purpose of chopping meat, though this does not lead us to believe that these fragments were designed.  Yet, we have found clearly manufactured prehistoric chopping and cutting stones that were designed.  How do we know they were designed and not just examples of fortuitous rock fractures?  Clearly it is not because they are sharp, since naturally occurring rocks are also sharp; and not because they are complex, since they have neither parts nor complexity; and not because they serve a purpose, since obviously random events can make a rock very sharp.  We know these stone hand axes were designed because they have markings on them that differ from what one would find in nature—that is, they have signs of manufacture.''
Again, we don't know if simple rocks also have a designer, you are just assuming that.


Also would you mind explaining how kurt godel incompleteness theorem applies to god because I would love to have a laugh on that as well.

Kurt, himself, explains it. Research him.

However, thanks for acknowledging that there is design in everything. And the only designs that we have a clear understanding about who designed them, show that the designer was intelligent.

Since there are countless things that have design, but we don't clearly see who the designer is, there might be question about who the designer is/was. Then we look at the complexity of the design. When we apply cause and effect to the design, we understand that it was God that designed them, even if they were also designed by men or angels (aliens).

Why? Because all complex design that we know of has an intelligent designer. The complexity of the design of physics shows that the designer is intelligent way beyond mankind. It fits the description of God.

Or do you want to suggest that there isn't any intelligent design to your own posts in this forum?

[BADecker]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

[Astargath]

''As for design, no matter what we find on earth, be it something man-made or something not man-made, when we get down to the fundamentals of it, it is extremely complex.'' However my  point was and it's clear that you didn't read it, that something complex doesn't mean something designed. ''Complex effects are design.'' Because you say so? ''There is nothing that we find that is opposite to this'' Opposite to what? There is nothing that we found that is not designed by humans or animals so far either.

''Even simple rocks are complex at their atomic level. All is complexity. Complexity comes about via design.'' Prove it. You can't say, rocks are complex, all is complex, complex is design. How the fuck did you come up with that conclusion lol. I already argued with you on how we know things are designed, we compare them with nature, we don't look to see if they are complex or not necessarily. ''
For example, many naturally occurring rock fragments just happen to have a sharp edge that is well-suited for serving the purpose of chopping meat, though this does not lead us to believe that these fragments were designed.  Yet, we have found clearly manufactured prehistoric chopping and cutting stones that were designed.  How do we know they were designed and not just examples of fortuitous rock fractures?  Clearly it is not because they are sharp, since naturally occurring rocks are also sharp; and not because they are complex, since they have neither parts nor complexity; and not because they serve a purpose, since obviously random events can make a rock very sharp.  We know these stone hand axes were designed because they have markings on them that differ from what one would find in nature—that is, they have signs of manufacture.''
Again, we don't know if simple rocks also have a designer, you are just assuming that.


Also would you mind explaining how kurt godel incompleteness theorem applies to god because I would love to have a laugh on that as well.

Kurt, himself, explains it. Research him.

However, thanks for acknowledging that there is design in everything. And the only designs that we have a clear understanding about who designed them, show that the designer was intelligent.

Since there are countless things that have design, but we don't clearly see who the designer is, there might be question about who the designer is/was. Then we look at the complexity of the design. When we apply cause and effect to the design, we understand that it was God that designed them, even if they were also designed by men or angels (aliens).

Why? Because all complex design that we know of has an intelligent designer. The complexity of the design of physics shows that the designer is intelligent way beyond mankind. It fits the description of God.

Or do you want to suggest that there isn't any intelligent design to your own posts in this forum?

''Why? Because all complex design that we know of has an intelligent designer.'' No, the only things we know are designed are things designed by us or animals. We know they are designed by comparing them to nature not because they are complex. We don't know if nature is designed since there is nothing to compare it to.

''Since there are countless things that have design, but we don't clearly see who the designer is, there might be question about who the designer is/was.'' How do you know those things have design, how do you know a rock is designed?

[Astargath]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

And again a response that has nothing to do with what you are quoting, go figure. I asked for the reference of when CERN scientists have said that god exists, could you provide it? Or are you just a liar?

[Vod]

Many scientists understand from science that God exists.

Why doesn't every scientist understand that?

If you had actual proof, wouldn't they?

Everyone on earth that doesn't believe in your fairy tale (the vast majority) is a fool in your eyes?  How sad.

 

[BADecker]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

And again a response that has nothing to do with what you are quoting, go figure. I asked for the reference of when CERN scientists have said that god exists, could you provide it? Or are you just a liar?

You are such an anomaly. Perhaps the most important question in history asks itself, right in your face. And you want someone else to do your research for you. But when he does, you simply disregard it, call him a liar, and then ask for more research from him.

I might ask how goofy you can get. But I don't have to. You will continue to show us. Just watch.

 

[BADecker]

Many scientists understand from science that God exists.

Why doesn't every scientist understand that?

If you had actual proof, wouldn't they?

Everyone on earth that doesn't believe in your fairy tale (the vast majority) is a fool in your eyes?  How sad.

 

I don't know if anybody can explain anything to you. After all, anybody who thinks that all scientists are expert in every scientific field, and then maintains it without considering it, is one of the goofiest people around.

You might not be a fool. You might only be retarded.

 

[webmone]

That's interesting. I have also watched the video telling about the experiment that proved the existance of soul.

[Astargath]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

And again a response that has nothing to do with what you are quoting, go figure. I asked for the reference of when CERN scientists have said that god exists, could you provide it? Or are you just a liar?

You are such an anomaly. Perhaps the most important question in history asks itself, right in your face. And you want someone else to do your research for you. But when he does, you simply disregard it, call him a liar, and then ask for more research from him.

I might ask how goofy you can get. But I don't have to. You will continue to show us. Just watch.

 

So you post a video titled: ''Cern Proclaims There Is a God'' I ask you for reference and this is your answer? The random dude in that random video states that ''scientists'' are claiming god is real yet I haven't seen any evidence or reference to when or where these scientists are. I already destroyed your complexity + entropy argument, what more do you need?

[Chibykesman]

I think that is what God did to prove to make that he is really God in every area of life.

But in nature, insect, in the river, our life etc.

He is everywhere.

[BADecker]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

And again a response that has nothing to do with what you are quoting, go figure. I asked for the reference of when CERN scientists have said that god exists, could you provide it? Or are you just a liar?

You are such an anomaly. Perhaps the most important question in history asks itself, right in your face. And you want someone else to do your research for you. But when he does, you simply disregard it, call him a liar, and then ask for more research from him.

I might ask how goofy you can get. But I don't have to. You will continue to show us. Just watch.

 

So you post a video titled: ''Cern Proclaims There Is a God'' I ask you for reference and this is your answer? The random dude in that random video states that ''scientists'' are claiming god is real yet I haven't seen any evidence or reference to when or where these scientists are. I already destroyed your complexity + entropy argument, what more do you need?

I'm almost certain you are not as retarded as Vod. After all, you do bring up some science once in a while. All Vod does is yammer. But when you continue to deny what I say, and then ask for help from me, aren't you acting a bit crazy... silly, at least? After all, you seem to have the ability to do your own research. You do, don't you? Have the ability, I mean? And especially since you won't accept the research I find for you and others?

Should we suspect that you are a troll? simply out there to spread silliness?

 

[Astargath]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

And again a response that has nothing to do with what you are quoting, go figure. I asked for the reference of when CERN scientists have said that god exists, could you provide it? Or are you just a liar?

You are such an anomaly. Perhaps the most important question in history asks itself, right in your face. And you want someone else to do your research for you. But when he does, you simply disregard it, call him a liar, and then ask for more research from him.

I might ask how goofy you can get. But I don't have to. You will continue to show us. Just watch.

 

So you post a video titled: ''Cern Proclaims There Is a God'' I ask you for reference and this is your answer? The random dude in that random video states that ''scientists'' are claiming god is real yet I haven't seen any evidence or reference to when or where these scientists are. I already destroyed your complexity + entropy argument, what more do you need?

I'm almost certain you are not as retarded as Vod. After all, you do bring up some science once in a while. All Vod does is yammer. But when you continue to deny what I say, and then ask for help from me, aren't you acting a bit crazy... silly, at least? After all, you seem to have the ability to do your own research. You do, don't you? Have the ability, I mean? And especially since you won't accept the research I find for you and others?

Should we suspect that you are a troll? simply out there to spread silliness?

 

I did my research and CERN never said god exists, that's why I'm asking for your research. '' And especially since you won't accept the research I find for you and others?'' Which is what? A youtube video of a dude that said something without any reference for it? Are you going insane?

[BADecker]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

And again a response that has nothing to do with what you are quoting, go figure. I asked for the reference of when CERN scientists have said that god exists, could you provide it? Or are you just a liar?

You are such an anomaly. Perhaps the most important question in history asks itself, right in your face. And you want someone else to do your research for you. But when he does, you simply disregard it, call him a liar, and then ask for more research from him.

I might ask how goofy you can get. But I don't have to. You will continue to show us. Just watch.

 

So you post a video titled: ''Cern Proclaims There Is a God'' I ask you for reference and this is your answer? The random dude in that random video states that ''scientists'' are claiming god is real yet I haven't seen any evidence or reference to when or where these scientists are. I already destroyed your complexity + entropy argument, what more do you need?

I'm almost certain you are not as retarded as Vod. After all, you do bring up some science once in a while. All Vod does is yammer. But when you continue to deny what I say, and then ask for help from me, aren't you acting a bit crazy... silly, at least? After all, you seem to have the ability to do your own research. You do, don't you? Have the ability, I mean? And especially since you won't accept the research I find for you and others?

Should we suspect that you are a troll? simply out there to spread silliness?

 

I did my research and CERN never said god exists, that's why I'm asking for your research. '' And especially since you won't accept the research I find for you and others?'' Which is what? A youtube video of a dude that said something without any reference for it? Are you going insane?

Well, finally you are expressing something that someone can understand.

 

[kiddikoddi]

I just feel that if we Humans and animals and all can be all based on the same, that we are made from atom and atom is pure energy and we are energy that is conscious then it must be that some higher entity exists that became conscious before us and is on some other plane of existence that our eyes and ears cant perceive

[ganter008]

even albert einstein said that we belong to god. and i read some articles that some austronaut see something strange outside the earth and they said that it was an angel.

[Astargath]

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

The Common Sense Show

Cern Proclaims There Is a God.

Cern Proclaims There Is a God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbg4rDEedN4

That has nothing to do with that I said, again ignoring arguments, something that you often do. When have CERN scientists said god exists lol. Where is the reference or a link for that? That's just a video of a deluded person like you saying they said that, I searched all over google and couldn't find 1 article where any CERN scientist said anything about god.

Are you God, that I have to make everything that I post revolve around something that you said? LOL!

You are finally starting to acknowledge the existence of God without wanting to. God is doing this for you, with the hope that you might, somehow, be saved.

And again a response that has nothing to do with what you are quoting, go figure. I asked for the reference of when CERN scientists have said that god exists, could you provide it? Or are you just a liar?

You are such an anomaly. Perhaps the most important question in history asks itself, right in your face. And you want someone else to do your research for you. But when he does, you simply disregard it, call him a liar, and then ask for more research from him.

I might ask how goofy you can get. But I don't have to. You will continue to show us. Just watch.

 

So you post a video titled: ''Cern Proclaims There Is a God'' I ask you for reference and this is your answer? The random dude in that random video states that ''scientists'' are claiming god is real yet I haven't seen any evidence or reference to when or where these scientists are. I already destroyed your complexity + entropy argument, what more do you need?

I'm almost certain you are not as retarded as Vod. After all, you do bring up some science once in a while. All Vod does is yammer. But when you continue to deny what I say, and then ask for help from me, aren't you acting a bit crazy... silly, at least? After all, you seem to have the ability to do your own research. You do, don't you? Have the ability, I mean? And especially since you won't accept the research I find for you and others?

Should we suspect that you are a troll? simply out there to spread silliness?

 

I did my research and CERN never said god exists, that's why I'm asking for your research. '' And especially since you won't accept the research I find for you and others?'' Which is what? A youtube video of a dude that said something without any reference for it? Are you going insane?

Well, finally you are expressing something that someone can understand.

 

And you are still making yourself look like a liar and a dishonest person by not responding to arguments and acting insane. You are not convincing anyone acting like this, you are going to hell for being a liar, god doesn't like lies

[kolyn04]

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101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

 Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html

The only proof that God really exists is when you BELIEVE.

When you believe, God provides you with special, spiritual proof of His existence. But God doesn't want the unbelievers to go on their way and die eternally... simply because they don't understand that He exists. That's why He gives scientific proof for His existence. Even the Bible talks about the proof. See a few world proofs listed in the Bible at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg23902422#msg23902422.

Further, James in the Bible says that even demons believe that there is one God. But it doesn't do them any good. See James 2:19:

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

The point is that simply having proof that God exists isn't enough to save yourself from destruction.

Proof for the existence of God is only the beginning. Once you know that God exists, then you have to believe what He says. If you don't believe Him, all your knowledge of Him is useless.

This being a science thread, jump to the proofs offered at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg23902422#msg23902422, and then consider how they are scientific proofs as well as Bible proofs.

I think we all have our opinions, but for me we don't have to argue whether God really exists or not. We believe what we are thinking is true so be it .