Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

They prove God in the way they exist, scientifically.

You can't have cause and effect, with complexity as it is, without a beginning as shown by entropy, all without God. The science of these three things prove it.

No, ''The science of these three things prove it.'' The science of those things prove they exist, science has never said those 3 things combined prove god.

''all without God'' How do you know, what's the evidence?

The evidence is entropy and complexity. The science of these 3 things proves it evidently. No complexity in the magnitude within the universe without intelligence. Entropy shows that ultimately, there is always less complexity. Something far greater in intelligence started this whole thing. That's the only evidence that exists.

What's the evidence that complexity requires intelligent design? ''Something far greater in intelligence started this whole thing. That's the only evidence that exists.'' Even if that was the case, it doesn't mean it's an omnipotent all knowing god, something more intelligent than what btw?

[BADecker]

If he had scientific proof then why did the author not write a scientific paper? He could have subjected his theory to the same peer review that has led to other scientific breakthroughs. Instead he published it in his blog. Why? Because you must be scientifically illiterate to not see the problems with these counter-theories. Not that life is well understood. There are still some huge questions like, "where did life come from"?
Today all modern biology is based on the theory of evolution. That includes modern medicine, our understanding of DNA, etc. It has been over 150 years since Darwin's theory. In that time there has not been any finding that contradicts it. You will find that the answers to your examples are known and understood to not contradict evolution.  

Why write a scientific paper for something that is as scientifically evident as the machine qualities of the universe, and the fact that machines have makers? Nobody needs a scientific paper to see for himself that God exists. All he has to do is look at nature.

[Yonji]

Your brain. Try look forward. How can your brain is not like buffalo's brain? Even though both have brain. Because god  filled our brain with mind. Mind is in our brain but not on other living things

[BADecker]

The evidence is entropy and complexity. The science of these 3 things proves it evidently. No complexity in the magnitude within the universe without intelligence. Entropy shows that ultimately, there is always less complexity. Something far greater in intelligence started this whole thing. That's the only evidence that exists.

What's the evidence that complexity requires intelligent design? ''Something far greater in intelligence started this whole thing. That's the only evidence that exists.'' Even if that was the case, it doesn't mean it's an omnipotent all knowing god, something more intelligent than what btw?

The evidence is the examples in nature, especially those of human beings. If there was any great amount of evidence opposing these examples, there might be cause to think that complexity could arise on its own. But there isn't.

In other words, when we examine and correlate the intelligence behind the great numbers machines of intelligent man, plus the few simple machines of a few slightly intelligent animals, we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?

Which of the structures of any of the natural things on earth is not made up of machines? None of it. Even the complexities of subatomic particles reacting with each other is leverages upon leverages reacting with other leverages, both in material ways and in energy ways. This is what machines are! All, 100% of nature, is machines upon machines combined in a gigantic machine universe. And all, 100%, of our machines uses the examples of machinery found in nature, and the machines of nature themselves, one way or another in their design and operation.

Machines have makers. So, why would anyone think that the great machinery of nature, which has tremendously intelligent design to it, not have an Intelligent Designer behind it? We have no example of any intelligently designed "thing" that doesn't have an intelligent designer behind it. The closest we can come is to say that we don't know who the designer is.

[Astargath]

The evidence is entropy and complexity. The science of these 3 things proves it evidently. No complexity in the magnitude within the universe without intelligence. Entropy shows that ultimately, there is always less complexity. Something far greater in intelligence started this whole thing. That's the only evidence that exists.

What's the evidence that complexity requires intelligent design? ''Something far greater in intelligence started this whole thing. That's the only evidence that exists.'' Even if that was the case, it doesn't mean it's an omnipotent all knowing god, something more intelligent than what btw?

The evidence is the examples in nature, especially those of human beings. If there was any great amount of evidence opposing these examples, there might be cause to think that complexity could arise on its own. But there isn't.

In other words, when we examine and correlate the intelligence behind the great numbers machines of intelligent man, plus the few simple machines of a few slightly intelligent animals, we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?

Which of the structures of any of the natural things on earth is not made up of machines? None of it. Even the complexities of subatomic particles reacting with each other is leverages upon leverages reacting with other leverages, both in material ways and in energy ways. This is what machines are! All, 100% of nature, is machines upon machines combined in a gigantic machine universe. And all, 100%, of our machines uses the examples of machinery found in nature, and the machines of nature themselves, one way or another in their design and operation.

Machines have makers. So, why would anyone think that the great machinery of nature, which has tremendously intelligent design to it, not have an Intelligent Designer behind it? We have no example of any intelligently designed "thing" that doesn't have an intelligent designer behind it. The closest we can come is to say that we don't know who the designer is.

''we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?'' No we don't. If we examine nature we can see, plants for example, they grow and become complex but we don't see any intelligent being making them, same thing with a lot of natural occurrences like a mountain forming or a thunder.

[swordartisan]

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101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

 Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html

The fact that science is existent means there was someone who created science and logic and everything. Everything originated from something and someone. And that is God. Science is the very proof of God's existence.

[trolltalk]

Science can prove that God is exist and the human being is one of the proof, why human is smarter than animals cause God create us same like him he loves humanity cause he treated us as his childrens.

[JennyatKW]

This is the manipulation to leave the number of believers that is constantly decreasing

[BADecker]

The evidence is the examples in nature, especially those of human beings. If there was any great amount of evidence opposing these examples, there might be cause to think that complexity could arise on its own. But there isn't.

In other words, when we examine and correlate the intelligence behind the great numbers machines of intelligent man, plus the few simple machines of a few slightly intelligent animals, we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?

Which of the structures of any of the natural things on earth is not made up of machines? None of it. Even the complexities of subatomic particles reacting with each other is leverages upon leverages reacting with other leverages, both in material ways and in energy ways. This is what machines are! All, 100% of nature, is machines upon machines combined in a gigantic machine universe. And all, 100%, of our machines uses the examples of machinery found in nature, and the machines of nature themselves, one way or another in their design and operation.

Machines have makers. So, why would anyone think that the great machinery of nature, which has tremendously intelligent design to it, not have an Intelligent Designer behind it? We have no example of any intelligently designed "thing" that doesn't have an intelligent designer behind it. The closest we can come is to say that we don't know who the designer is.

''we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?'' No we don't. If we examine nature we can see, plants for example, they grow and become complex but we don't see any intelligent being making them, same thing with a lot of natural occurrences like a mountain forming or a thunder.

Okay. You have figured out that cars and computers and nuclear power plants and ships and all the rest of the machines of mankind have come into being without intelligence, right? LOL! And mankind didn't use the machines of nature that are greater than theirs to figure all their stuff out, right? LOL! And mankind hasn't made all their machines out of the machines of natural subatomic particles in the least, right?

Nobody living saw the makers of many of the ancient machines of ancient countries like Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Consider the Antikythera mechanism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism. Nobody knows who could have designed such a mechanism, to say nothing about knowing who did it. Are you trying to tell us that it simply grew under water on a sunken galleon? Yet it is made out of the machines of nature in the materials it is made out of. The bronze and wood out of which the mechanism is made are parts of the natural machinery.

Our examples of machinery that we know about show intelligence behind them. Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.

Would a trillion man-made machines be enough? Would a trillion trillion? There is a point where the odds in a direction overcome the possibility of something in the opposite direction.

We don't know by direct observation where the machines of nature come from. But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works. Since we see multitudes of man-made, and even animal made machines that show intelligence, and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air), there is an Intelligent Designer behind the design of the whole universe. No other way.

[ansarose1]

example of scientific proof that god exist is that there are many unnamed species and fish that has not yet been discovered yet religion told us.

[Bruce | Atomine Support]

It's hard to live in ignorance. But it's even harder to live a lie. 

[Idaujotaite]

I think it’s a lot of misinformation and I personally don’t believe it

[Alice_in_cryptoland]

if the universe is some kind of mechanism there must be somebody who has pushed the button, don't you think?

[Astargath]

The evidence is the examples in nature, especially those of human beings. If there was any great amount of evidence opposing these examples, there might be cause to think that complexity could arise on its own. But there isn't.

In other words, when we examine and correlate the intelligence behind the great numbers machines of intelligent man, plus the few simple machines of a few slightly intelligent animals, we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?

Which of the structures of any of the natural things on earth is not made up of machines? None of it. Even the complexities of subatomic particles reacting with each other is leverages upon leverages reacting with other leverages, both in material ways and in energy ways. This is what machines are! All, 100% of nature, is machines upon machines combined in a gigantic machine universe. And all, 100%, of our machines uses the examples of machinery found in nature, and the machines of nature themselves, one way or another in their design and operation.

Machines have makers. So, why would anyone think that the great machinery of nature, which has tremendously intelligent design to it, not have an Intelligent Designer behind it? We have no example of any intelligently designed "thing" that doesn't have an intelligent designer behind it. The closest we can come is to say that we don't know who the designer is.

''we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?'' No we don't. If we examine nature we can see, plants for example, they grow and become complex but we don't see any intelligent being making them, same thing with a lot of natural occurrences like a mountain forming or a thunder.

Okay. You have figured out that cars and computers and nuclear power plants and ships and all the rest of the machines of mankind have come into being without intelligence, right? LOL! And mankind didn't use the machines of nature that are greater than theirs to figure all their stuff out, right? LOL! And mankind hasn't made all their machines out of the machines of natural subatomic particles in the least, right?

Nobody living saw the makers of many of the ancient machines of ancient countries like Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Consider the Antikythera mechanism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism. Nobody knows who could have designed such a mechanism, to say nothing about knowing who did it. Are you trying to tell us that it simply grew under water on a sunken galleon? Yet it is made out of the machines of nature in the materials it is made out of. The bronze and wood out of which the mechanism is made are parts of the natural machinery.

Our examples of machinery that we know about show intelligence behind them. Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.

Would a trillion man-made machines be enough? Would a trillion trillion? There is a point where the odds in a direction overcome the possibility of something in the opposite direction.

We don't know by direct observation where the machines of nature come from. But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works. Since we see multitudes of man-made, and even animal made machines that show intelligence, and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air), there is an Intelligent Designer behind the design of the whole universe. No other way.

You said, if we observe nature and I gave you examples, now you are talking about computers and man made stuff. Yes, we know things are made by humans, how do you know a nuclear power plant is made by humans, tho?

''Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.'' What do you mean we see nothing else? We know humans are capable of creating stuff but a plant, tree or a rock are not man made and there is nothing that indicates they were made by a ''maker''.

''But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works.'' There is some and there is some that's not very intelligent, look at humans, they have so many flaws, look at the earth, so many things can kill you.

''and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air)'' We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention.

[BADecker]

You said, if we observe nature and I gave you examples, now you are talking about computers and man made stuff. Yes, we know things are made by humans, how do you know a nuclear power plant is made by humans, tho?

''Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.'' What do you mean we see nothing else? We know humans are capable of creating stuff but a plant, tree or a rock are not man made and there is nothing that indicates they were made by a ''maker''.

''But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works.'' There is some and there is some that's not very intelligent, look at humans, they have so many flaws, look at the earth, so many things can kill you.

''and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air)'' We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention.

So we agree that if we know that certain machines are man-made, then we know that they are man-made. We can only guess that a nuclear power plant is made by humans. I mean, just because they look and act like humans doesn't mean that they are humans.

We see nothing other than machines having makers. The question is who the makers are.

Yet with all the flaws in humans, the population is continuing to grow tremendously. In other words, the flaws have been overcome to a great extent. The idea of intelligence with flaws is a complex one.

How do you know that "We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention?" The subatomics in all material acts in machine ways. Machines have makers. If there doesn't happen to be any intervention or observation of the maker, but rather, the machines act automatically according to preset cause and effect, this only shows that the intelligence behind them is extremely great, making our description of God extremely inadequate.

The point is, we have no example where we can show even one machine that we know for a fact has no maker. The closest that we might be able to come, is to suggest that we don't know if a machine has a maker or not. But we can show millions of machines in which we can identify the maker. The longer history goes on, the more machines we will be able to show that for a fact have makers. But we still won't be able to show any machines that we know for a fact don't have a maker. I would suggest that we have passed the point long ago that the simple odds of the many machines that we know have makers, against the fact that we don't even know of one machine that doesn't have a maker, shows that all machines have makers.

While the machine/maker odds haven't approached the C&E odds, we still have tremendous machine/maker odds.

So, show us a machine of nature that we know for a fact doesn't have a maker.

[runway]

I have always believed so, god always exist and protect, protect us.

[Astargath]

You said, if we observe nature and I gave you examples, now you are talking about computers and man made stuff. Yes, we know things are made by humans, how do you know a nuclear power plant is made by humans, tho?

''Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.'' What do you mean we see nothing else? We know humans are capable of creating stuff but a plant, tree or a rock are not man made and there is nothing that indicates they were made by a ''maker''.

''But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works.'' There is some and there is some that's not very intelligent, look at humans, they have so many flaws, look at the earth, so many things can kill you.

''and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air)'' We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention.

So we agree that if we know that certain machines are man-made, then we know that they are man-made. We can only guess that a nuclear power plant is made by humans. I mean, just because they look and act like humans doesn't mean that they are humans.

We see nothing other than machines having makers. The question is who the makers are.

Yet with all the flaws in humans, the population is continuing to grow tremendously. In other words, the flaws have been overcome to a great extent. The idea of intelligence with flaws is a complex one.

How do you know that "We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention?" The subatomics in all material acts in machine ways. Machines have makers. If there doesn't happen to be any intervention or observation of the maker, but rather, the machines act automatically according to preset cause and effect, this only shows that the intelligence behind them is extremely great, making our description of God extremely inadequate.

The point is, we have no example where we can show even one machine that we know for a fact has no maker. The closest that we might be able to come, is to suggest that we don't know if a machine has a maker or not. But we can show millions of machines in which we can identify the maker. The longer history goes on, the more machines we will be able to show that for a fact have makers. But we still won't be able to show any machines that we know for a fact don't have a maker. I would suggest that we have passed the point long ago that the simple odds of the many machines that we know have makers, against the fact that we don't even know of one machine that doesn't have a maker, shows that all machines have makers.

While the machine/maker odds haven't approached the C&E odds, we still have tremendous machine/maker odds.

So, show us a machine of nature that we know for a fact doesn't have a maker.

''We see nothing other than machines having makers. The question is who the makers are.'' No, again, we don't. We only see humans making stuff. ''The point is, we have no example where we can show even one machine that we know for a fact has no maker'' And you can't show one that's made by something other than animals.

Your argument goes like this: Humans make stuff therefore all the other stuff that's not made by humans must have a maker too but there is no relation there, it's just an assumption, nothing indicates that the other stuff requires a maker

''So, show us a machine of nature that we know for a fact doesn't have a maker.'' Show us one that you know for a fact is not made by animals.

The question is: How do you determine whether something is designed or not

[BADecker]

If bible, koran, torah and other holy scriptures are wrong this will not prove that there is no God. If there is a God there is no way we can prove his existence if he don't want to. Our civilization is still very young, still many things we cannot explained.

Sure, there is no way to prove god doesn't exist; but if we can continually make progress in our quest for knowledge without such a concept, why bother with it?

Because it is God that holds you alive in His hand. And He does so because of his own agenda, which is...

Believe and be saved... eternal life... rather than eternal damnation. The amount of progress we are making in our quest for knowledge doesn't keep us alive for more than 100 years, or so. God holds the knowledge of eternal life. Focus on Him so that you can gain eternal life.

[Astargath]

If bible, koran, torah and other holy scriptures are wrong this will not prove that there is no God. If there is a God there is no way we can prove his existence if he don't want to. Our civilization is still very young, still many things we cannot explained.

Sure, there is no way to prove god doesn't exist; but if we can continually make progress in our quest for knowledge without such a concept, why bother with it?

Because it is God that holds you alive in His hand. And He does so because of his own agenda, which is...

Believe and be saved... eternal life... rather than eternal damnation. The amount of progress we are making in our quest for knowledge doesn't keep us alive for more than 100 years, or so. God holds the knowledge of eternal life. Focus on Him so that you can gain eternal life.

This thread is about scientific proof not religion, please stop bringing religion into the discussion, I know you like god but refrain from it here.

[BADecker]

This thread is about scientific proof not religion, please stop bringing religion into the discussion, I know you like god but refrain from it here.

This thread is about scientific proof, not correcting someone on their off-topic posts. Please stop bringing off-topic posts into the discussion, since that is what you are doing when you talk about religious posts.

Why don't you state a scientific opposition to cause and effect, entropy, or complexity, and how they combine to prove God exists, rather than simply stating you debunked such science. And the real proof for God is the machine nature of the universe. We have no other example than the fact that machines have makers.