Scientific proof that God exists?

[Alice_in_cryptoland]

if the universe is some kind of mechanism there must be somebody who has pushed the button, don't you think?

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[Astargath]

The evidence is the examples in nature, especially those of human beings. If there was any great amount of evidence opposing these examples, there might be cause to think that complexity could arise on its own. But there isn't.

In other words, when we examine and correlate the intelligence behind the great numbers machines of intelligent man, plus the few simple machines of a few slightly intelligent animals, we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?

Which of the structures of any of the natural things on earth is not made up of machines? None of it. Even the complexities of subatomic particles reacting with each other is leverages upon leverages reacting with other leverages, both in material ways and in energy ways. This is what machines are! All, 100% of nature, is machines upon machines combined in a gigantic machine universe. And all, 100%, of our machines uses the examples of machinery found in nature, and the machines of nature themselves, one way or another in their design and operation.

Machines have makers. So, why would anyone think that the great machinery of nature, which has tremendously intelligent design to it, not have an Intelligent Designer behind it? We have no example of any intelligently designed "thing" that doesn't have an intelligent designer behind it. The closest we can come is to say that we don't know who the designer is.

''we see that intelligence makes machines, right? And the greater the intelligence, the greater the machines, right?'' No we don't. If we examine nature we can see, plants for example, they grow and become complex but we don't see any intelligent being making them, same thing with a lot of natural occurrences like a mountain forming or a thunder.

Okay. You have figured out that cars and computers and nuclear power plants and ships and all the rest of the machines of mankind have come into being without intelligence, right? LOL! And mankind didn't use the machines of nature that are greater than theirs to figure all their stuff out, right? LOL! And mankind hasn't made all their machines out of the machines of natural subatomic particles in the least, right?

Nobody living saw the makers of many of the ancient machines of ancient countries like Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Consider the Antikythera mechanism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism. Nobody knows who could have designed such a mechanism, to say nothing about knowing who did it. Are you trying to tell us that it simply grew under water on a sunken galleon? Yet it is made out of the machines of nature in the materials it is made out of. The bronze and wood out of which the mechanism is made are parts of the natural machinery.

Our examples of machinery that we know about show intelligence behind them. Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.

Would a trillion man-made machines be enough? Would a trillion trillion? There is a point where the odds in a direction overcome the possibility of something in the opposite direction.

We don't know by direct observation where the machines of nature come from. But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works. Since we see multitudes of man-made, and even animal made machines that show intelligence, and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air), there is an Intelligent Designer behind the design of the whole universe. No other way.

You said, if we observe nature and I gave you examples, now you are talking about computers and man made stuff. Yes, we know things are made by humans, how do you know a nuclear power plant is made by humans, tho?

''Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.'' What do you mean we see nothing else? We know humans are capable of creating stuff but a plant, tree or a rock are not man made and there is nothing that indicates they were made by a ''maker''.

''But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works.'' There is some and there is some that's not very intelligent, look at humans, they have so many flaws, look at the earth, so many things can kill you.

''and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air)'' We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention.

[BADecker]

You said, if we observe nature and I gave you examples, now you are talking about computers and man made stuff. Yes, we know things are made by humans, how do you know a nuclear power plant is made by humans, tho?

''Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.'' What do you mean we see nothing else? We know humans are capable of creating stuff but a plant, tree or a rock are not man made and there is nothing that indicates they were made by a ''maker''.

''But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works.'' There is some and there is some that's not very intelligent, look at humans, they have so many flaws, look at the earth, so many things can kill you.

''and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air)'' We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention.

So we agree that if we know that certain machines are man-made, then we know that they are man-made. We can only guess that a nuclear power plant is made by humans. I mean, just because they look and act like humans doesn't mean that they are humans.

We see nothing other than machines having makers. The question is who the makers are.

Yet with all the flaws in humans, the population is continuing to grow tremendously. In other words, the flaws have been overcome to a great extent. The idea of intelligence with flaws is a complex one.

How do you know that "We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention?" The subatomics in all material acts in machine ways. Machines have makers. If there doesn't happen to be any intervention or observation of the maker, but rather, the machines act automatically according to preset cause and effect, this only shows that the intelligence behind them is extremely great, making our description of God extremely inadequate.

The point is, we have no example where we can show even one machine that we know for a fact has no maker. The closest that we might be able to come, is to suggest that we don't know if a machine has a maker or not. But we can show millions of machines in which we can identify the maker. The longer history goes on, the more machines we will be able to show that for a fact have makers. But we still won't be able to show any machines that we know for a fact don't have a maker. I would suggest that we have passed the point long ago that the simple odds of the many machines that we know have makers, against the fact that we don't even know of one machine that doesn't have a maker, shows that all machines have makers.

While the machine/maker odds haven't approached the C&E odds, we still have tremendous machine/maker odds.

So, show us a machine of nature that we know for a fact doesn't have a maker.

[runway]

I have always believed so, god always exist and protect, protect us.

[Astargath]

You said, if we observe nature and I gave you examples, now you are talking about computers and man made stuff. Yes, we know things are made by humans, how do you know a nuclear power plant is made by humans, tho?

''Machines, even the machines of nature that we use to make our machines, have makers. We see nothing else. Machines have makers.'' What do you mean we see nothing else? We know humans are capable of creating stuff but a plant, tree or a rock are not man made and there is nothing that indicates they were made by a ''maker''.

''But there is tremendous intelligence in the way it all works.'' There is some and there is some that's not very intelligent, look at humans, they have so many flaws, look at the earth, so many things can kill you.

''and nothing that we know of that shows the opposite (like a car appearing out in the desert out of thin air)'' We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention.

So we agree that if we know that certain machines are man-made, then we know that they are man-made. We can only guess that a nuclear power plant is made by humans. I mean, just because they look and act like humans doesn't mean that they are humans.

We see nothing other than machines having makers. The question is who the makers are.

Yet with all the flaws in humans, the population is continuing to grow tremendously. In other words, the flaws have been overcome to a great extent. The idea of intelligence with flaws is a complex one.

How do you know that "We can see mountains forming without an intelligent being, rocks, plants, trees, etc etc, plenty of things form without any intervention?" The subatomics in all material acts in machine ways. Machines have makers. If there doesn't happen to be any intervention or observation of the maker, but rather, the machines act automatically according to preset cause and effect, this only shows that the intelligence behind them is extremely great, making our description of God extremely inadequate.

The point is, we have no example where we can show even one machine that we know for a fact has no maker. The closest that we might be able to come, is to suggest that we don't know if a machine has a maker or not. But we can show millions of machines in which we can identify the maker. The longer history goes on, the more machines we will be able to show that for a fact have makers. But we still won't be able to show any machines that we know for a fact don't have a maker. I would suggest that we have passed the point long ago that the simple odds of the many machines that we know have makers, against the fact that we don't even know of one machine that doesn't have a maker, shows that all machines have makers.

While the machine/maker odds haven't approached the C&E odds, we still have tremendous machine/maker odds.

So, show us a machine of nature that we know for a fact doesn't have a maker.

''We see nothing other than machines having makers. The question is who the makers are.'' No, again, we don't. We only see humans making stuff. ''The point is, we have no example where we can show even one machine that we know for a fact has no maker'' And you can't show one that's made by something other than animals.

Your argument goes like this: Humans make stuff therefore all the other stuff that's not made by humans must have a maker too but there is no relation there, it's just an assumption, nothing indicates that the other stuff requires a maker

''So, show us a machine of nature that we know for a fact doesn't have a maker.'' Show us one that you know for a fact is not made by animals.

The question is: How do you determine whether something is designed or not

[BADecker]

If bible, koran, torah and other holy scriptures are wrong this will not prove that there is no God. If there is a God there is no way we can prove his existence if he don't want to. Our civilization is still very young, still many things we cannot explained.

Sure, there is no way to prove god doesn't exist; but if we can continually make progress in our quest for knowledge without such a concept, why bother with it?

Because it is God that holds you alive in His hand. And He does so because of his own agenda, which is...

Believe and be saved... eternal life... rather than eternal damnation. The amount of progress we are making in our quest for knowledge doesn't keep us alive for more than 100 years, or so. God holds the knowledge of eternal life. Focus on Him so that you can gain eternal life.

[Astargath]

If bible, koran, torah and other holy scriptures are wrong this will not prove that there is no God. If there is a God there is no way we can prove his existence if he don't want to. Our civilization is still very young, still many things we cannot explained.

Sure, there is no way to prove god doesn't exist; but if we can continually make progress in our quest for knowledge without such a concept, why bother with it?

Because it is God that holds you alive in His hand. And He does so because of his own agenda, which is...

Believe and be saved... eternal life... rather than eternal damnation. The amount of progress we are making in our quest for knowledge doesn't keep us alive for more than 100 years, or so. God holds the knowledge of eternal life. Focus on Him so that you can gain eternal life.

This thread is about scientific proof not religion, please stop bringing religion into the discussion, I know you like god but refrain from it here.

[BADecker]

This thread is about scientific proof not religion, please stop bringing religion into the discussion, I know you like god but refrain from it here.

This thread is about scientific proof, not correcting someone on their off-topic posts. Please stop bringing off-topic posts into the discussion, since that is what you are doing when you talk about religious posts.

Why don't you state a scientific opposition to cause and effect, entropy, or complexity, and how they combine to prove God exists, rather than simply stating you debunked such science. And the real proof for God is the machine nature of the universe. We have no other example than the fact that machines have makers.

[QuestionAuthority]

This thread is about scientific proof not religion, please stop bringing religion into the discussion, I know you like god but refrain from it here.

This thread is about scientific proof, not correcting someone on their off-topic posts. Please stop bringing off-topic posts into the discussion, since that is what you are doing when you talk about religious posts.

Why don't you state a scientific opposition to cause and effect, entropy, or complexity, and how they combine to prove God exists, rather than simply stating you debunked such science. And the real proof for God is the machine nature of the universe. We have no other example than the fact that machines have makers.

You got that all wrong butterbean, the machine nature of the universe is the proof that goof god doesn’t exist.

The religious writings all over the world, in every language and with all different gods show the god is a random almost chaotic psychopath. He gets angry at the drop of a hat like a bipolar loon and decides to kill everyone on the planet with a flood. Time and time again his chaotic loony behavior manifests itself as a random mean-cruel master.

If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

[BADecker]

You got that all wrong butterbean, the machine nature of the universe is the proof that goof god doesn’t exist.

The religious writings all over the world, in every language and with all different gods show the god is a random almost chaotic psychopath. He gets angry at the drop of a hat like a bipolar loon and decides to kill everyone on the planet with a flood. Time and time again his chaotic loony behavior manifests itself as a random mean-cruel master.

If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

You have it all wrong! Like as intelligent designers design and build the machines that people make, even so the maker of machine universe is far beyond the intelligence of man, like the machine universe is far beyond the machines of man.

Sounds like either:
1. you haven't studied the religious writings all over the earth;
2. you are misrepresenting them.

If you had been sincere, and had done the studies, you would find that the God of the Bible has made a miracle in the Bible and the nation of Israel.

You misunderstand the nature of the universe. Originally, the universe operated like a big perpetual motion machine. Mankind sinned, which broke up the perpetual motion activity of the universe. If God, Himself, in the form of Jesus, had not upheld the universe at great cost to Himself, it all would have been destroyed way back in the Beginning times, and mankind right along with it. That doesn't sound like a deranged psychopath to me.

You simply misunderstand. The problem is, you like yourself that way.

[QuestionAuthority]

You got that all wrong butterbean, the machine nature of the universe is the proof that goof god doesn’t exist.

The religious writings all over the world, in every language and with all different gods show the god is a random almost chaotic psychopath. He gets angry at the drop of a hat like a bipolar loon and decides to kill everyone on the planet with a flood. Time and time again his chaotic loony behavior manifests itself as a random mean-cruel master.

If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

You have it all wrong! Like as intelligent designers design and build the machines that people make, even so the maker of machine universe is far beyond the intelligence of man, like the machine universe is far beyond the machines of man.

Sounds like either:
1. you haven't studied the religious writings all over the earth;
2. you are misrepresenting them.

If you had been sincere, and had done the studies, you would find that the God of the Bible has made a miracle in the Bible and the nation of Israel.

You misunderstand the nature of the universe. Originally, the universe operated like a big perpetual motion machine. Mankind sinned, which broke up the perpetual motion activity of the universe. If God, Himself, in the form of Jesus, had not upheld the universe at great cost to Himself, it all would have been destroyed way back in the Beginning times, and mankind right along with it. That doesn't sound like a deranged psychopath to me.

You simply misunderstand. The problem is, you like yourself that way.

If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

[cremet86]

if scientific evidence does not exist because the god is in every thought, breath and our heart, sedahsyat any scientific achievement will not be able to prove the existence of god because god only exist in our mind

[Astargath]

This thread is about scientific proof not religion, please stop bringing religion into the discussion, I know you like god but refrain from it here.

This thread is about scientific proof, not correcting someone on their off-topic posts. Please stop bringing off-topic posts into the discussion, since that is what you are doing when you talk about religious posts.

Why don't you state a scientific opposition to cause and effect, entropy, or complexity, and how they combine to prove God exists, rather than simply stating you debunked such science. And the real proof for God is the machine nature of the universe. We have no other example than the fact that machines have makers.

I did, it's right up there, you just ignored it because you can't argue. I said, how do you know when something is designed or not, the only examples of design we have are ours, your argument is, humans design things therefore all the things that are not designed by humans have to be designed by something else.

Even if we agree on all that, it still doesn't mean it's Yahweh. Even if your whole argument was right (it's not) there is nothing that indicates the creator was Yahweh, your argument tries to say that you need to have something more complex that created the universe but something more complex =/= yahweh necessarily, it also doesn't rule out the possibility of different creators working together or something that we don't even imagine, again, there is no indication that yahweh did it.

[Alenas2018]

This question really challenges us because there’s an argument that many people make: that the natural world, and humanity’s existence in the Universe, point towards a divine creator that brought forth all of this into existence. To the best of our knowledge, Earth exists with a plethora of conditions that allowed for our existence, and does so in a way that no other world can match.

[larry1994]

for me to believe in god.

It's all right to love me. My love for the morning in the daytime, gives me life, good health, good family

[imopogicute]

I believe in god differently. he is the one who gives me the courage to do it
so I love my God

[ZazaG7]

That we are alive alone shows God exist no chemistry of life or scientist can even prove it that God doesn't exist so
The concept of “Natural Selection”, sometimes used synonymous with “Survival of the Fittest”, is often touted as the magic process that when added to mutation will result in advancing steps of higher and higher species and the success of evolution.[1] But I encourage you to read up on what Natural Selection is all about and see that it will NOT lead to evolution. Check out the examples that are given, and see for yourself what a fanciful argument this is for evolution of molecules to man. Actually you can't even start with molecules because Natural Selection ONLY works on a species once it can reproduce.

[QuestionAuthority]

Scientific proof that my imaginary friend (that I talk to in my mind as I walk around, like a fuckin lunatic) is real.

Sorry bro, I don’t think you’re gonna find any proof for that.

[Huntsman82]

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[alex.ac.ab]

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