Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

Your link, there, isn't even worth talking to. Did you forget this one? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg51429482#msg51429482.

Where in your link do you prove the existence of just 1 creator and not multiple? Where in the link do you prove the existence of "outside the universe" and where do you prove that everything has a cause?

The info in the link is just part of the proof. These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.

However, why do you waste the time asking? You only accept science when it promotes your ideals. So, it doesn't really matter to you what the answers to your questions might be.

''These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.'' Baseless claim with no evidence, when has science proven that everything has a cause? There is no way to prove that, ever unless you can go back in time to make sure everything was created by something else.

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[BADecker]

''These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.'' Baseless claim with no evidence, when has science proven that everything has a cause? There is no way to prove that, ever unless you can go back in time to make sure everything was created by something else.

The fact that there are countless things that have been shown to have been made by something else, combined with the fact that nothing has ever been shown to have made itself, scientifically proves that the universe was made by something outside itself. Why "scientific" and "proof?" Two major reason:
1. When the odds get high enough in a direction, science accepts that direction as fact;
2. Since the universal fact of no self-creation stands scientifically, something outside the universe created it. Why outside? Because if it were inside, it would be part of the universe. But it cannot be part of the universe, because the universe can't create itself, scientifically.

Since you constantly want to believe in scientifically impossible odds, you are moving away from science into religion or philosophy. But maybe for you it is simply denial madness.

Again, why is the "outside" Creator God? Because creating such a tremendous thing as the universe can only be done by someone that fits the definition of "God." So we see, from this alone, science proves the existence of God.

[Astargath]

''These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.'' Baseless claim with no evidence, when has science proven that everything has a cause? There is no way to prove that, ever unless you can go back in time to make sure everything was created by something else.

The fact that there are countless things that have been shown to have been made by something else, combined with the fact that nothing has ever been shown to have made itself, scientifically proves that the universe was made by something outside itself. Why "scientific" and "proof?" Two major reason:
1. When the odds get high enough in a direction, science accepts that direction as fact;
2. Since the universal fact of no self-creation stands scientifically, something outside the universe created it. Why outside? Because if it were inside, it would be part of the universe. But it cannot be part of the universe, because the universe can't create itself, scientifically.

Since you constantly want to believe in scientifically impossible odds, you are moving away from science into religion or philosophy. But maybe for you it is simply denial madness.

Again, why is the "outside" Creator God? Because creating such a tremendous thing as the universe can only be done by someone that fits the definition of "God." So we see, from this alone, science proves the existence of God.

''. When the odds get high enough in a direction, science accepts that direction as fact;'' Well, how are you calculating the odds here? Let's say earth has different 'items'. A person is an item, a truck is an item, etc. The earth right now has probably hundreds of millions of items, do you know the cause of all of them? How about for the last 10000 years, do you know the cause of every single item? Let's say you know the cause of 1 million items, 1 million items is only 1% of 100.000.000 but we are talking about several times that number and only about the earth. Let's consider our entire galaxy, how many items there? Trillions? What's 1 million compared to a trillion? around 0.00001%?

And that's only 1 galaxy, so which odds are exactly high here badecker?

[Ewox]

There actually is no scientific proof that God does exists however scientist cannot prove where some things that are unexplainable came from. Of course there is a start to all of these like how the universe was created and so on. There is always a higher being that no scientist can figure out. And that is also why religion and scientific proof always has a debate on that too.

[Alephwyr]

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[BADecker]

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[dbkeys]

We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain

A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  

[Zeta0S]

@ this topic: And the moon is hollow, lol 

[lh-crypto.biz]

Belief in God, this is absurd there is no evidence and all believe

[Astargath]

We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain

A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  

Why would you focus so much on that? We can still test pain, feel it and know how or why it works. We cant do ANY of that with god, whats your point here?

[dbkeys]

We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain

A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  

Why would you focus so much on that? We can still test pain, feel it and know how or why it works. We cant do ANY of that with god, whats your point here?

It's a bid pedantic, granted, but unless you're rigorous with assumptions and definitions, you can't really reach valid conclusions. The demonstrably wrong statement that we can "measure pain" jumped out at me. At least we can't in a truly scientific way.  We can only rely on the self-reported (aka, subjective) experience of an individual conscience of their "pain".

Others believe that individual because pain is a relatively common experience, that "we" have all had a one time or another.
In a way, that hints that there are may be parallels with an individual's experience of "god". Experiencing "god" is perhaps rarer, but no less subjective and un-measurable.

[Astargath]

We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain

A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  

Why would you focus so much on that? We can still test pain, feel it and know how or why it works. We cant do ANY of that with god, whats your point here?

It's a bid pedantic, granted, but unless you're rigorous with assumptions and definitions, you can't really reach valid conclusions. The demonstrably wrong statement that we can "measure pain" jumped out at me. At least we can't in a truly scientific way.  We can only rely on the self-reported (aka, subjective) experience of an individual conscience of their "pain".

Others believe that individual because pain is a relatively common experience, that "we" have all had a one time or another.
In a way, that hints that there are may be parallels with an individual's experience of "god". Experiencing "god" is perhaps rarer, but no less subjective and un-measurable.

How many people ''experience'' god? Do muslims experience their god? They certainly claim so, do christians experience their god? They also claim so, in fact all religious people from all different religions claim they experience their god, is that proof of god or proof against god?

[BADecker]

How many people ''experience'' god? Do muslims experience their god? They certainly claim so, do christians experience their god? They also claim so, in fact all religious people from all different religions claim they experience their god, is that proof of god or proof against god?

Most people with formal religion don't recognize if they experience their God or not.

But you experience your god all the time - yourself - even though you don't acknowledge it.

[Ucy]

Absence of proof is not absence of GOD's existence. It pretty ridiculous to think we can prove the existence of a being that is unlimitedly superior to us. And it's unscientific to insist that GOD doesn't exist.

 Am always amazed when I hear  "scientists" say GOD does not exist or call themselves atheists. How did they know  this?  What formula gave them a No answer?
The deception is unbelievable and easy to see if you sit and think things through. This is why I find "science" unenjoyable thesedays.

Note:  The existence of the supernatural can easily be proven

[Astargath]

Absence of proof is not absence of GOD's existence. It pretty ridiculous to think we can prove the existence of a being that is unlimitedly superior to us. And it's unscientific to insist that GOD doesn't exist.

 Am always amazed when I hear  "scientists" say GOD does not exist or call themselves atheists. How did they know  this?  What formula gave them a No answer?
The deception is unbelievable and easy to see if you sit and think things through. This is why I find "science" unenjoyable thesedays.

Note:  The existence of the supernatural can easily be proven

It is unscientific to say that a god/creator does not exist for sure, however we can scientifically prove a particular god does not exist, for instance, we can prove the god from the bible is bullshit because we can easily prove the bible is bullshit. There are tons of mistakes in the bible, huge scientific errors like the age of the earth or universe but smaller ones as well. There is 0 historical data about pretty much anything the bible says, for instance, you never learn about a huge worldwide flood in any history book or talking snakes.

[BeBlockTech]

I was that kind of guy that didn't belief in anything. I need to admit that I was wrong! I came across Yoga and Meditation a few years ago and it completely changed my life! I went from non-believer, to believer. That's when things started to go the way I wanted it go.

We are all master of our destiny. We all know inside of us what's the right thing to do and what's not the right thing to do. They call that our conscience, that's the part of us that tell us we did it right or that we did it wrong. Everybody has it, we can not denied it. And still, there is no scientific proof that it exist. It's like gravity! People only belief in things they can see and still make use of things they don't see every day of their lives.

I can not say that I'm right here, but I can proudly say that I rather be wrong believing there is something greater than us, than to be right that there is nothing... If there is something greater than us, and that this life is only a preparation for the next one, wouldn't you want to be prepared for it? If there is nothing, there is nothing! But what if there is something? I rather be ready to confront it instead of being there like a dumb ass who thought that this life was only meant to pay bills and die. No. Me, I say NO. No matter what they say, I refuse to believe that all this intelligence inside of us was just made to pay the bills and die. There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.


Anyway, my point is that if you don't belief in magic, you'll never find it...

[Astargath]

I was that kind of guy that didn't belief in anything. I need to admit that I was wrong! I came across Yoga and Meditation a few years ago and it completely changed my life! I went from non-believer, to believer. That's when things started to go the way I wanted it go.

We are all master of our destiny. We all know inside of us what's the right thing to do and what's not the right thing to do. They call that our conscience, that's the part of us that tell us we did it right or that we did it wrong. Everybody has it, we can not denied it. And still, there is no scientific proof that it exist. It's like gravity! People only belief in things they can see and still make use of things they don't see every day of their lives.

I can not say that I'm right here, but I can proudly say that I rather be wrong believing there is something greater than us, than to be right that there is nothing... If there is something greater than us, and that this life is only a preparation for the next one, wouldn't you want to be prepared for it? If there is nothing, there is nothing! But what if there is something? I rather be ready to confront it instead of being there like a dumb ass who thought that this life was only meant to pay bills and die. No. Me, I say NO. No matter what they say, I refuse to believe that all this intelligence inside of us was just made to pay the bills and die. There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.


Anyway, my point is that if you don't belief in magic, you'll never find it...

''There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.'' So aren't you basically saying there is no intelligent creator because the earth is a mess?

I don't have to believe in elephants to find them, scientists didn't have to believe in gravity before finding about it. Your argument is trash. Also yoga or meditation are not magic and of course they work but it's not magic lol.

[BADecker]

I was that kind of guy that didn't belief in anything. I need to admit that I was wrong! I came across Yoga and Meditation a few years ago and it completely changed my life! I went from non-believer, to believer. That's when things started to go the way I wanted it go.

We are all master of our destiny. We all know inside of us what's the right thing to do and what's not the right thing to do. They call that our conscience, that's the part of us that tell us we did it right or that we did it wrong. Everybody has it, we can not denied it. And still, there is no scientific proof that it exist. It's like gravity! People only belief in things they can see and still make use of things they don't see every day of their lives.

I can not say that I'm right here, but I can proudly say that I rather be wrong believing there is something greater than us, than to be right that there is nothing... If there is something greater than us, and that this life is only a preparation for the next one, wouldn't you want to be prepared for it? If there is nothing, there is nothing! But what if there is something? I rather be ready to confront it instead of being there like a dumb ass who thought that this life was only meant to pay bills and die. No. Me, I say NO. No matter what they say, I refuse to believe that all this intelligence inside of us was just made to pay the bills and die. There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.


Anyway, my point is that if you don't belief in magic, you'll never find it...

''There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.'' So aren't you basically saying there is no intelligent creator because the earth is a mess?

I don't have to believe in elephants to find them, scientists didn't have to believe in gravity before finding about it. Your argument is trash. Also yoga or meditation are not magic and of course they work but it's not magic lol.

Can you prove that you can find magic without believing in it?

[notbatman]

Absence of proof is not absence of GOD's existence. It pretty ridiculous to think we can prove the existence of a being that is unlimitedly superior to us. And it's unscientific to insist that GOD doesn't exist.

 Am always amazed when I hear  "scientists" say GOD does not exist or call themselves atheists. How did they know  this?  What formula gave them a No answer?
The deception is unbelievable and easy to see if you sit and think things through. This is why I find "science" unenjoyable thesedays.

Note:  The existence of the supernatural can easily be proven

It is unscientific to say that a god/creator does not exist for sure, however we can scientifically prove a particular god does not exist, for instance, we can prove the god from the bible is bullshit because we can easily prove the bible is bullshit. There are tons of mistakes in the bible, huge scientific errors like the age of the earth or universe but smaller ones as well. There is 0 historical data about pretty much anything the bible says, for instance, you never learn about a huge worldwide flood in any history book or talking snakes.

Indeed, just as the worlds most famous rocket scientist (von Braun) stated, it is unscientific to arbitrarily reject the idea that man and Earth are the result of an intelligent design. However you go downhill from there.

Huge scientific errors like the age of the Earth are the result of delusional, inept and intellectually dishonest scientists, and say nothing in regards to the accuracy of the Bible. The fact these same pseudo-scientists never reference any information regarding anything that would expose the crackpot theories they push as fact, and go so far as to engage in cover-ups of evidence thereof is really no surprise.

As for Ucy's comment on the supernatural, can you prove that anything is natural? Can you show that the entire concept of natural isn't a logical fallacy?

[SamHalker]

The universe had a start, so there has to be nothing that triggered this start.

Not everyone believe in the existence of God, but if you ask anyone to give you a clear explanation of why you don't believe, then they can't.

Everything that exists in this universe cannot be proved scientifically, there are indeed certain things that still exist in this universe that we have a belief on, regardless of any Scientific Proof or Evidence.

For instance, the concept of Bermuda Triangle where a number of aircraft and ships are said to have disappeared under mysterious circumstances.
Various explanations for this, still nothing confirmed yet, the story continues..

Also, the Time Travel or a Mystery about "A Plane Disappeared and Landed 37 Years"
Some call it as Fake/Rumor whereas some say it to be real..

There are many more examples like this..

So basically there are lots of things that exist which can't be proved scientifically, it's the human nature to either believe it or not.

Cheers!!