[XMR] Monero Speculation

[dEBRUYNE]

3. Afaik the new versioning capability that will be introduced with SegWit, basically hands the power to Blockstream to drive forks any time they want to. Again this is another game theory discussion which I don't wish to elaborate on at this time. Note Monero's periodic forks as a protocol also seems to a form of centralized control. One can argue that miners can vote, but it is fairly impossible to stop the political clout of the lead developers especially when that control is hardwired into the protocol. Satoshi's design was that it should be nearly impossible to hard fork, because that is the only way you truly have decentralization.

Regarding [3], if miners/exchanges/merchants don't agree with the lead developers they can just remain on an old(er) version.

I said it is a complex game theory discussion. Seems you want to force me to have that discussion when I said I am busy on other more urgent priorities. Because I can't just leave your afaics incorrect assumption there unrefuted.

You can't retain an older version, because soon the new features will become intertwined in everything and soon you won't be able to function in the network. The complexity of failure modes with an older version are beyond the scope of the discussion I want to have now. That will be a technical discussion. Just remember what happened the last time I got into a technical discussion with gmaxwell on Ogg streaming format indexing, a topic that he thought he was more expert on (and he should have been since he was the co-inventor of one of the Ogg codecs).

I admit my statement was perhaps a bit too black and white. Furthermore, I do not want to provoke (force you into) a discussion.

[dEBRUYNE]

Seems like that dump was a rather large short, looking at the offers here:

http://monerodice.pd.to/polo.php

[dEBRUYNE]

"Small update on mobile apps: web management / easier set-up close to completion"

By NobleSir / Shen Noether

https://imgur.com/a/Hifdb

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4gcl4u/small_update_on_mobile_apps_web_management_easier/

Relevant comments:

Question:

How does this affect smartphone wallets for Monero?

Answer:

So, I had previously created these two mobile wallets for Android / Windows 10 respectively:
https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNeroUniversal & https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNeroDroid

These rely on a server app running with your Monero installation, which is somewhat complicated to set-up (several command line steps). The web-app that this post references will run in conjunction with that server, and will have a web-interface to ease the set-up process). The web app should be able to most of the command line process with simply scanning a qr-code generated in the web-app with your phone app (this is the API-key tab).

Additionally, this version of the server should remove several dependencies which were making installation annoying on certain platforms, and add several alternative server languages (go, ruby, python, perl).

Caveat, that I am writing these in my spare time, and don't have a solid timeline for completion.

TLDR: The MiniNero web will make the setup of the above two phone wallets much easier. Additionally, MiniNero Web can be used as a simple, standalone wallet.

"Monero semi-weekly dev meeting notes - 2016-04-24"

https://hellomonero.com/article/monero-semi-weekly-dev-meeting-notes-2016-04-24

Small rectification:

All the notes you list after 805/806 are actually for 794. Wallet refresh speedups in 806 have no downside.

Logs will be posted as soon as possible as far as I know.


"The Crypto Show: Peter Todd on Chain Anchors, Manfred Karrer, Zhou Tonged and Brian Deery"

Monero mentioned around 25:00:

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-crypto-show-with-peter-todd-manfred-karrer-zhou-tonged-and-brian-deery

[TrueCryptonaire]

Seems like that dump was a rather large short, looking at the offers here:

http://monerodice.pd.to/polo.php

Personally I refused to lend my Moneros and I had many loans with short periods open. Once those loans were refinanced, the rates spiked, but that just my theory.

[TheKoziTwo]

Seems like that dump was a rather large short, looking at the offers here:

http://monerodice.pd.to/polo.php

For anyone using that site please compare the two snapshots where you think there's been a short.

Snapshot #56978 says at 0.03% - 34948.17422534
Snapshot #56980 says at 0.03% - 2346.06250770

All lower offers was untouched. When someone takes out a short, they first take the lower offers, like in any order book

What probably happened is that the guy had 32k out for lending, removed it and dumped it on the market.

[primer-]

Chinese are restless, more, bigger dumps incoming...

[TrueCryptonaire]

Chinese are restless, more, bigger dumps incoming...

Norwegians also seem to be bearish on this.  

[primer-]

Chinese are restless, more, bigger dumps incoming...

Norwegians also seem to be bearish on this.  

You must feel like shit for not selling at 004x 

[TrueCryptonaire]

Chinese are restless, more, bigger dumps incoming...

Norwegians also seem to be bearish on this.  

You must feel like shit for not selling at 004x 

Actually I do not care.
My Moneroholdings are around 0 gain or 0 loss currently. If you are able to dump it all the way down to 0.001 I might consider buying some more. Currently I do not feel any urgency to buy.

[DonYo]

Chinese are restless, more, bigger dumps incoming...

Norwegians also seem to be bearish on this. 

You must feel like shit for not selling at 004x 

Actually I do not care.
My Moneroholdings are around 0 gain or 0 loss currently. If you are able to dump it all the way down to 0.001 I might consider buying some more. Currently I do not feel any urgency to buy.

+1

[Nxtblg]

Seems like that dump was a rather large short, looking at the offers here:

http://monerodice.pd.to/polo.php

And go figure...the XMR Loan Market is clogged with offers that are well below 0.01% (or 4% annualized.)

[TheKoziTwo]

Chinese are restless, more, bigger dumps incoming...

Norwegians also seem to be bearish on this.  

I heard the Norwegians were already done selling though. 

[TPTB_need_war]

Segwit is the only proper solution for malleability.

Technical reference please so I can verify?

Lol, smooth:

Segwit is the only proper solution for malleability

There is some confusion between the concept of not including the signature in the txid and the particular package of changes that is being done in Core that does this and more but is also commonly called sigwit.

Hope you understand smooth is speaking facetiously here while also pointing that gmaxwell's claim is perhaps BS.

[r0ach]

The thread seems to have departed from it's normal function as a game of Clue.  "Who was the dumper???"  "Did Othe win at dice?"  "Was it Smooth with a candlestick in the library??"

[noobtrader]

The thread seems to have departed from it's normal function as a game of Clue.  "Who was the dumper???"  "Did Othe win at dice?"  "Was it Smooth with a candlestick in the library??"

removed pic

where is Dash holder in that picture

its obvious that Dash holder dump monero all teh time LOL  ololololol....  

[smooth]

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[GreekBitcoin]

Who said that we are not seeing under 0.002 again?

[obit33]

Who said that we are not seeing under 0.002 again?

jep, here we go, hope to acquire the last tranches between 15k and 17k sat... will be satisfied, had to have a lot of patience these last months, but we seem to be getting there... 

best regards

[vuduchyld]

I blame Vitalik.

That stunt shook what little confidence there was in the alts.  Along with the BTC rise, XMR is swimming in an infested pond right now.

In the long run, XMR will be able to differentiate and overcome, but there may be more short term price ugliness. 

[elrippo]

I blame Vitalik.

That stunt shook what little confidence there was in the alts.  Along with the BTC rise, XMR is swimming in an infested pond right now.

In the long run, XMR will be able to differentiate and overcome, but there may be more short term price ugliness. 

I praise your words, but everybody is taking out their BTC right now and waiting for BTC to gain in price. I would not be suprised to see Monero near the 0,0010 in two weeks from now