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November 11, 2018, 01:11:01 PM
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^  Wtf.  Lol.

scale of testing != best implementation

The bug recently found underscores that even BTC, with its obvious limitations, isn't flawless or vetted enough. Also, there's the well-known fact, at least in this neck of the woods, that Bitcoin's aim to be an "eletronic cash" hasn't panned out.

If you had one job to do and couldn't do it, would you consider yourself the best?


I tend to fall on the small block (at least for now) side of that argument, and believe bitcoin will find it's way in the end.  

Montero does an interesting job of pointing to a lot of possible solutions though...

Yup and I tend to agree with the 'if you wanna scale, you should go off chain' argument.  I think some Montereans would tend to agree too.

And generalizethis, Monero had its share of flaws too.

But fungibility isn't one. I'm talking about the stated goal of being "electronic cash," which has been kick the can down the road problem for years with add on features that never address the issue head on. If anyone thinks that BTC will become cash in the next year, I'll take their bet.


This is an interesting discussion.  Have you considered that fungibility could be pretty strong on layer 2?  Granted this leaves us with a completely transparant base layer which presents it's own challenges.

This is actually at the crux why I believe Monero has a very unique value proposition.  It is fundamentally something bitcoin may never be able to fundamentally be.

It's actually something BTC must not be cos if it goes that route (if it can) then it's value proposition as a transparent and accountable blockchain would be lost.  I think there's value in everybody being able to audit and account everything with our own eyes than just trusting something to actually work (like Monero).  Not saying it's a bad thing...  As cAPSLOCK said, XMR has its own value proposition for a different class of people (good and bad).  

Wait, regarding the bolded text, are you suggesting that Monero is not accountable? Because you can... Huh

And regarding "fungible layer 2" argument, I want to respond in the form of a question... Let's just say we are talking about Bitcoin.  What happens when the entire (>51%) Bitcoin economy goes off-chain?  Better yet, would you be ok accepting a payment for a good/service you were selling, only to have to go back on-chain in order to exchange for fiat, and then you find out that your Coinbase account gets frozen because your coins are tainted in some way not suitable for them?

Opt-in transparency is the only logical solution for fungibility

I know, but if BTC became something like XMR, I don't think the governmentzz would be willing to give it more breathing space.

Anyway, interesting thought on what if > 51% goes off chain.  XMR slaps everybody in the back of the head again:  'Tail emission b*tch'.  Grin

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November 11, 2018, 01:57:09 PM
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Amazingly, I think at least a little bit of Monero's slump today is due to what seems to be a bit of FUD executed by FAKESATOSHI.

https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus/status/1061229656081350656



He also took shots specifically at Monero in his recent interview with Tone Vays.  The interview is *somehwt* interesting as it discusses the upcoming BCHABC BCHSV fork which should be pretty interesting IMO..  

But here is the Monero/Privicy coin section.

https://youtu.be/ACEUOCoVvmw?t=3564

So the guy who can't prove he's Satoshi is going to prove who everyone else is? I'm wondering what a psychoanalyst would make of that...

On a practical note, those 3 systems work in very different ways, so wouldn't he need 3 separate mechanisms for analysis? I guess we'll have to wait the year out biting our nails in feverish anticipation for doom's day or purchase whatever is sure to be the "better" solution. Crypto has anhilated my faith in mankind's motives--which isn't a bad thing, just makes me long for my youthful ignorance.

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November 11, 2018, 02:05:39 PM
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^  Good point, I'll use that to argue vs some sock trolls that I could come across in these parts...  But really now, he's just talking out of his ass.  And I don't think he even took Vays as the interviewer seriously...  A guy with that hair cut?? 

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November 11, 2018, 02:13:43 PM
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Amazingly, I think at least a little bit of Monero's slump today is due to what seems to be a bit of FUD executed by FAKESATOSHI.

https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus/status/1061229656081350656



He also took shots specifically at Monero in his recent interview with Tone Vays.  The interview is *somehwt* interesting as it discusses the upcoming BCHABC BCHSV fork which should be pretty interesting IMO..  

But here is the Monero/Privicy coin section.

https://youtu.be/ACEUOCoVvmw?t=3564

All such announcements of some attacks are always fake. The announcement is an attack itself.  He will repeat it for few months then everyone will forget about it.

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November 11, 2018, 09:22:31 PM
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Monero is the most elegant self sovereign store of private wealth that I know.

I’ve considered everything from zksnarks to mimblewimble.

I can’t do part, optional, or otherwise compromised privacy.


I can’t do interactive mode.

I can’t do trusted setup.

I love monero. That said I’m scared man. Why don’t people get it.

How is the price so low.

Yall got an hopium man?

Is crypto over?
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November 11, 2018, 09:44:48 PM
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Monero is the most elegant self sovereign store of private wealth that I know.

I’ve considered everything from zksnarks to mimblewimble.

I can’t do part, optional, or otherwise compromised privacy.


I can’t do interactive mode.

I can’t do trusted setup.

I love monero. That said I’m scared man. Why don’t people get it.

How is the price so low.

Yall got an hopium man?

Is crypto over?

Honestly I’m still liking this boring period. Allows me to earn some paychecks and buy munderos.

Am I the only one who feels like they are still catching their breath from the last bull run?


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November 11, 2018, 10:33:34 PM
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Monero continues to move quietly but firmly. Maybe not as much as other projects, but I think it is moving very well. ZEC and XMR are doing solid work.

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November 11, 2018, 11:04:20 PM
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So the guy who can't prove he's Satoshi is going to prove who everyone else is? I'm wondering what a psychoanalyst would make of that...

On a practical note, those 3 systems work in very different ways, so wouldn't he need 3 separate mechanisms for analysis? I guess we'll have to wait the year out biting our nails in feverish anticipation for doom's day or purchase whatever is sure to be the "better" solution. Crypto has anhilated my faith in mankind's motives--which isn't a bad thing, just makes me long for my youthful ignorance.

This was my first thought as well. The fact that all three of those privacy projects use very different techniques means a unified solution to uncover them all and also throwing Tor in the mix on top of that seems pretty disingenuous. This is the reason that I think he's actually throwing this out for one of two other reasons.  One... just to make other projects outside of Bitcoin SV look bad or two... he's wanting to depress the price in the so-called privacy sector for some other reason.

I am tempted to say he is just talking out of his ass. But actually I think the guy is a little bit too crafty for just that. I think he and Calvin Aire and possibly even Jihan and Ver are making moves.

XMR is currently in rollercoaster mode. 
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This proves that Craig is not satoshi as Mr Nakamoto would not do such a thing. He would be promoting bitcoin and focus purely on that, why spend a year making something to denounce privacy coins, when he could be working on bitcoin

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So the guy who can't prove he's Satoshi is going to prove who everyone else is? I'm wondering what a psychoanalyst would make of that...

On a practical note, those 3 systems work in very different ways, so wouldn't he need 3 separate mechanisms for analysis? I guess we'll have to wait the year out biting our nails in feverish anticipation for doom's day or purchase whatever is sure to be the "better" solution. Crypto has anhilated my faith in mankind's motives--which isn't a bad thing, just makes me long for my youthful ignorance.

This was my first thought as well. The fact that all three of those privacy projects use very different techniques means a unified solution to uncover them all and also throwing Tor in the mix on top of that seems pretty disingenuous. This is the reason that I think he's actually throwing this out for one of two other reasons.  One... just to make other projects outside of Bitcoin SV look bad or two... he's wanting to depress the price in the so-called privacy sector for some other reason.

I am tempted to say he is just talking out of his ass. But actually I think the guy is a little bit too crafty for just that. I think he and Calvin Aire and possibly even Jihan and Ver are making moves.

XMR is currently in rollercoaster mode. 

i read somewhere that it's probably some kind of tx and ip tracking tool so basically some kind of mapping ... no clue how he want's to proof anything special on monero though if this would be the case... is he full of shit... probably.
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November 12, 2018, 01:36:35 AM
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Amazingly, I think at least a little bit of Monero's slump today is due to what seems to be a bit of FUD executed by FAKESATOSHI.

https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus/status/1061229656081350656



He also took shots specifically at Monero in his recent interview with Tone Vays.  The interview is *somehwt* interesting as it discusses the upcoming BCHABC BCHSV fork which should be pretty interesting IMO..  

But here is the Monero/Privicy coin section.

https://youtu.be/ACEUOCoVvmw?t=3564

All such announcements of some attacks are always fake. The announcement is an attack itself.  He will repeat it for few months then everyone will forget about it.

Reminds me of the BCX fud attack of 2014.
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November 12, 2018, 01:40:32 AM
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Monero is the most elegant self sovereign store of private wealth that I know.

I’ve considered everything from zksnarks to mimblewimble.

I can’t do part, optional, or otherwise compromised privacy.


I can’t do interactive mode.

I can’t do trusted setup.

I love monero. That said I’m scared man. Why don’t people get it.

How is the price so low.

Yall got an hopium man?

Is crypto over?

Honestly I’m still liking this boring period. Allows me to earn some paychecks and buy munderos.

Am I the only one who feels like they are still catching their breath from the last bull run?

Yeah, looks like they are still shaking the tree.

This proves that Craig is not satoshi as Mr Nakamoto would not do such a thing. He would be promoting bitcoin and focus purely on that, why spend a year making something to denounce privacy coins, when he could be working on bitcoin

No-one in their right mind would have even for a second believed he was Satoshi.

But as far as your statement I would think Satoshi would be supporting Monero if he/she/they were to suddenly appear.

It's funny that if you read the email group Satoshi forecasts that bitcoin would be mined by botnets just as Monero is.
You will also notice that Monero fits the criteria he wrote for bitcoin. Smiley


i read somewhere that it's probably some kind of tx and ip tracking tool so basically some kind of mapping ... no clue how he want's to proof anything special on monero though if this would be the case... is he full of shit... probably.

Yeah, that was my guess right off and he can't do it as he doesn't have the nodes but I'm sure a 3 letter could provide that info and I would not put it past him to shill for them.

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November 12, 2018, 04:54:40 AM
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When there was a race between litecoin and monero to cross 100 usd then ltc crossed it first making people believe in ltc.
But when true development and retention comes XMR is king.
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November 12, 2018, 07:37:15 AM
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No-one in their right mind would have even for a second believed he was Satoshi.

But as far as your statement I would think Satoshi would be supporting Monero if he/she/they were to suddenly appear.


most CSW=satoshi believers think the satoshi 1M bitcoins are held in trust until 2020, if satoshi bitcoins start moving I doubt he'll be buying XMR


https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/craig-wright-refutes-phil-wilsons-bitcoin-origins-satoshi-story/
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November 12, 2018, 08:25:24 AM
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No-one in their right mind would have even for a second believed he was Satoshi.

But as far as your statement I would think Satoshi would be supporting Monero if he/she/they were to suddenly appear.


most CSW=satoshi believers think the satoshi 1M bitcoins are held in trust until 2020, if satoshi bitcoins start moving I doubt he'll be buying XMR


https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/craig-wright-refutes-phil-wilsons-bitcoin-origins-satoshi-story/

The guy is just an arrogant scammy wanker. And in any case for Monero: Viel Feind, viel Ehr!


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November 12, 2018, 10:01:05 AM
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No-one in their right mind would have even for a second believed he was Satoshi.

But as far as your statement I would think Satoshi would be supporting Monero if he/she/they were to suddenly appear.


most CSW=satoshi believers think the satoshi 1M bitcoins are held in trust until 2020, if satoshi bitcoins start moving I doubt he'll be buying XMR


https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/craig-wright-refutes-phil-wilsons-bitcoin-origins-satoshi-story/

The guy is just an arrogant scammy wanker. And in any case for Monero: Viel Feind, viel Ehr!



I agree CSW is an arrogant wanker, and we probably have ~18 months to confirm if he's a scammer, (if the satoshi bitcoins don't move in 2020 CSW is lying) and another 4 days to know how much hash he has, so the CSW matter is concluded soon thankfully.
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November 12, 2018, 11:09:16 AM
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Amazingly, I think at least a little bit of Monero's slump today is due to what seems to be a bit of FUD executed by FAKESATOSHI.

https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus/status/1061229656081350656



He also took shots specifically at Monero in his recent interview with Tone Vays.  The interview is *somehwt* interesting as it discusses the upcoming BCHABC BCHSV fork which should be pretty interesting IMO..  

But here is the Monero/Privicy coin section.

https://youtu.be/ACEUOCoVvmw?t=3564

The may make or break his reputation in 2019 and 2020 too.

I just hope that he's not involved in MoneroV and other Monero forsk that requires private keys and other info from Monero.

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The Monero Moon (Issue 10) is now available for your reading pleasure. It's better than s....

https://medium.com/@johnfoss/the-monero-moon-issue-10-557b768e7717

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November 12, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
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inverted head and shoulders on kraken:

https://cryptowat.ch/markets/kraken/xmr/eur
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Hello,

A year ago (November 2017) just this week began the rise in the price of XMR. It seems that history can be repeated. What do you think?
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