[XMR] Monero Speculation

[lyth0s]

The Shabbath is over now in Finland.
Shall we start buying? 

Let's see if it makes new uptrend highs first (0.00144979), then I'll commit some..

Have to say I've been waiting for this, but hold your horses; who knows if it's a trap and we go back to 0.0009 

XMR at 0.001595 and I bought most of my stash near 0.0010-.0011, not bad not bad my only regret is not buying more. As of right now I only hold BTC, XMR and XCP, which I believe are the only non-scam altcoins that also have great potential use cases in the future.

[Hunyadi]

In the US, you have Coinbase monitoring your transactions and cancelling accounts if you spend BTC at a gambling site, buy cannabis seeds, or do whatever is deemed unacceptable by the gov.

Is this true? If it is, are they just monitoring transactions out of Coinbase (Coinbase->dice) or further (Coinbase->wallet->dice)?

I can confirm with 100% certainly they monitor what you are doing and ask questions not just transactions out but also transactions in.

I don't know specifically what blockchain analysis they are doing, how far down the chain it goes, etc.

There are reports (which I can't confirm) of false positives on allegedly suspicious BTC activity which suggest they are looking more than one hop.

Ok, that should certainly be very good for XMR. There's something very wrong and evil in Coinbase's actions...two or three years ago, no one would have believed there will be something like this in the future. Sometimes I don't like the way bitcoin is developing.

[tokeweed]

in before someone fuds scam cos it's going up.

[jehst]

In the US, you have Coinbase monitoring your transactions and cancelling accounts if you spend BTC at a gambling site, buy cannabis seeds, or do whatever is deemed unacceptable by the gov.

Is this true? If it is, are they just monitoring transactions out of Coinbase (Coinbase->dice) or further (Coinbase->wallet->dice)?

I can confirm with 100% certainly they monitor what you are doing and ask questions not just transactions out but also transactions in.

I don't know specifically what blockchain analysis they are doing, how far down the chain it goes, etc.

There are reports (which I can't confirm) of false positives on allegedly suspicious BTC activity which suggest they are looking more than one hop.

Ok, that should certainly be very good for XMR. There's something very wrong and evil in Coinbase's actions...two or three years ago, no one would have believed there will be something like this in the future. Sometimes I don't like the way bitcoin is developing.

Agreed.  

Coinbase checking on your transactions? Traceable digital currencies with linkable transactions? Centralized exchanges and marketplaces?

Timothy C. May had a dream that was crypto. This is not it.

Bitcoin is becoming something like digital gold. XMR is bringing the world true digital cash.

[Dotto]

In the US, you have Coinbase monitoring your transactions and cancelling accounts if you spend BTC at a gambling site, buy cannabis seeds, or do whatever is deemed unacceptable by the gov.

Is this true? If it is, are they just monitoring transactions out of Coinbase (Coinbase->dice) or further (Coinbase->wallet->dice)?

I can confirm with 100% certainly they monitor what you are doing and ask questions not just transactions out but also transactions in.

I don't know specifically what blockchain analysis they are doing, how far down the chain it goes, etc.

There are reports (which I can't confirm) of false positives on allegedly suspicious BTC activity which suggest they are looking more than one hop.

Cool news

[tokeweed]

ok kidding aside, what's up with XMR?  price rise coupled with big volume spike got my attention.  looks like this could breakout above .002.

[G2M]

ok kidding aside, what's up with XMR?  price rise coupled with big volume spike got my attention.  looks like this could breakout above .002.

MEW successfully came together, as a representation of large coin holders, and performed a vote on a controversial subject. The action was done with the attention of the core team, and the two groups came to a unified decision on something that has been brought up over and over again since the first week Monero was launched.

Risto's CK game has been garnishing more and more attention, and it looks like the in-game currency might find its way to an exchange.

The core issues have been going along extremely well, relating to a core team provided local GUI coupled with a database. Progress to completion is unknown, but there is a non-testnet version of a db-using daemon. Probably Soon (tm).

Yet another wallet wrapper was released for bitmonerod.

The team has successfully released a stable release, representative of a significant overhaul of a lot of programming, that didn't involve a hard fork.

Transaction fees are down, and are adaptive.

Marketing is getting organized.

The December 20th deadline from BCX has passed, and people seem to have concluded that any type of fud was an elaborate ruse, and there are no significant exploits known to that user at this time that are capable of 'Doom (tm)'.

It's the end of the year, and yet another number of the fibonacci sequence has been passed in days since release, if you'd like to believe in the fibonacci sequence having anything to do with Monero growth. Personally, It's worked out pretty well for me

The price touched OTC levels, at .00094. Personally, I could have still sold at that point and still came away with profit, but I really don't think the price could go that much lower. Who knows though, anything can still happen.

Or, maybe someone has created a high volume trading bot.

Also, mymonero now exists. This takes the frustration of getting to know the core monero software out of your hands for the time being, and instead own some Monero in a wallet address you control.

[GingerAle]

methinks its rediscovery of an awesome GUI preview circa august, evidence that the new database runs on something like 100 mb, and, yah know, because the coin is awesome due to the fact that the devs and the community want an actual functioning cash-like cryptocurrency that's valued based on its utility as opposed to its scarcity.

To the less traceable, potentially asic resistant moon!

yeah, totally kickin myself for not getting more when it was 30 cents.

[stslimited]

What is Risto's CK game?

[shitaifan2013]

What is Risto's CK game?

crypto kingdom https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819073.0

[stslimited]

What is Risto's CK game?

crypto kingdom https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819073.0

wut.

alright, thats kind of cool, I don't really get it though


are people really acquiring XMR to participate in this turn based thing

[silencesilence]

obviously,
even for children 
now  that price is controlled by bots 

[stslimited]

obviously,
even for children 
now  that price is controlled by bots 

haha, how much do you think that is a factor? I find the liquidity to be frustratingly low still. I mean, better than other markets but you can barely move one bitcoin's worth of XMR without moving the price 5%

and that, fellows, is pathetic

[jehst]

obviously,
even for children 
now  that price is controlled by bots 

you can barely move one bitcoin's worth of XMR without moving the price 5%

This is going to change very soon.

[stslimited]

that reminds me of what I came here to ask:

aside from bots, who is accumulating? I would like to know because I want to be more aware of their motivations. My position size in XMR is adequate but I may be interested in acquiring more

[stslimited]

obviously,
even for children 
now  that price is controlled by bots 

you can barely move one bitcoin's worth of XMR without moving the price 5%

This is going to change very soon.

who, what, why, when, where, how?

[darlidada]

obviously,
even for children  
now  that price is controlled by bots  

haha, how much do you think that is a factor? I find the liquidity to be frustratingly low still. I mean, better than other markets but you can barely move one bitcoin's worth of XMR without moving the price 5%

and that, fellows, is pathetic

maybe because a lot of holders consider the price too low?

[aminorex]

that reminds me of what I came here to ask:

aside from bots, who is accumulating? I would like to know because I want to be more aware of their motivations. My position size in XMR is adequate but I may be interested in acquiring more

I am accumulating because I actually seriously believe that XMR is the single best candidate for a global instant liquidity vehicle - world-wide cash.  That is a very extreme position, but it only requires a very small probability of accuracy over the very long run to make a substantial position compulsory.  Liquidity is a natural monopoly.  Network effects favor Bitcoin's continued dominance of the market for transparent liquidity, but the dark ledger niche remains to be filled.  XMR has a balance of features, technical and usability, which make it a better candidate than any other coin. 

Other reasonable candidates include DRK, zerocash/zerocoin implementations yet to be released, and alternate cryptonote species:

- DRK was pre-mine, is controlled by one person, and suffers from centralization, as well as lacking useful proofs of security.

- ZC will always fail usability.  The cryptography is believed to be excellent, but is immature, untested.  The size of the chain, the cost of the proofs, will prevent it from acting like cash.  It is not very liquid for a liquidity vehicle.  It also has no working implementation.

- Other cryptonotes lack the community, the social capital, as well as the liquidity leadership possessed by XMR, limited though that liquidity may be at the moment (a problem likely to be fixed in the usual way, by price).

By elimination, XMR, embryonic though it admittedly is, appears to be the most fit to rescue the human liberty to transact, and potentially the liberty to retain one's earnings indefinitely, without being subject to dilution, extortion or theft.

Even if we completely discount the extreme end-state as absurdly unlikely, the failure modes are very favorable to holders.  When the three critical elements are in place technically - namely, DB, UI, and multisig - it is hard to see why the bulk of vulnerable transactions currently conducted on the open ledger would not move to the private ledger, starting with those most vulnerable ones which are suited to the prevailing liquidity levels at the time.  On the basis of the history of bitcoin alone, a minimum upside target 200x the current trading price seems compelling, on the basis of dark net markets alone (when amplified by the inevitable speculative excess which will accompany such uptake). 

The real threats to XMRs future prosperity are unknown unknowns.  Any suggestions as to vulnerabilities to technical, economic, political risks which mitigate the brilliance of XMRs future prospects are enthusiastically solicited.

Similarly to BTC, I consider the core team to be the greatest single vulnerability, as its subversion or corruption by forces inimical to the interests of XMR holders would be devastating, but as core teams go, it is much more diverse, dispersed, and network-connected to the broader XMR community than are the overwhelming majority of cryptocurrency development groups.   As XMR accumulates market cap, and entrepreneurs find niches for building enterprises which fill out the XMR economy, enhanced funding prospects should make it more feasible to expand and enhance these confidence-encouraging features of the team.

 

[illodin]

- DRK was pre-mine, is controlled by one person, and suffers from centralization, as well as lacking useful proofs of security.

Is it true?

[hodlmybtc]

that reminds me of what I came here to ask:

aside from bots, who is accumulating? I would like to know because I want to be more aware of their motivations. My position size in XMR is adequate but I may be interested in acquiring more

I'm not buying anymore, bought some more at 0.0011-0.0012 but have more than enough XMR now.

Probably won't sell anything under 0.004.