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December 12, 2015, 09:24:53 AM
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From reading this thread it certainly looks like satoshidice is going to hell. Reports of missing balances and people not being able to withdraw is a tell-tale sign that something bad is going to happen in the near future with this site likely. I know I used it for about all of 5 minutes before I realized that it was pretty terrible and got the hell out of there. Certainly feels like a scammers den or something.

Hopefully you guys get your issues sorted out above. It certainly looks like customer service or the owner doesn't give a shit that his site is in a state of disarray.

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December 12, 2015, 10:55:38 AM
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Good idea!
However the API still allows withdrawals without a password. Just tried it.

https://session.satoshidice.com/userapi/useraddress/?secret=XXX
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{"nick":"Observer12345","depositaddress":"Set your password in the invest tab, then reload","queryTimeInSeconds":0.1395}

A subsequent call to https://session.satoshidice.com/userapi/withdraw
transfers without a password.

So an attacker who got the URL can still steal money.

Nice test, so nothing really is solved so far after all... hopefully we see this fixed as soon as possible aswell Smiley
It does work. Disregard it. I deleted my post because of a misunderstanding. It was wrong.

You can withdraw without having a password set but deposits now require a password. And then withdrawals do too.

The system works as intended.
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December 12, 2015, 10:57:04 AM
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Bunch of thieves, I pm'd Erik Voorhees to see if he has the guts to tell the truth


Erik has no longer has any association with this site ever since he sold them. This site has been run by another party and rumours are that it has been sold to another party again so you wont get any answer even if you PM Erik for this case

He actually did reply, he told me the owners are honest and that he would contact them aswell about these matters.

So hopefully things get cleared up after all, as long as I  hear nothing I will continue to warn the people on this forum on making deposits.

I do not have a good feeling about these matters, I do not believe all the persons having the same issues got compromised themselves somehow in the past few weeks.
Most of us propably have alot of valuable information/balances that they access on a daily or weekly basis and nothing is going wrong there from what I hear and personally see.

The fact that my Bitcoins disappeared the instant they got confirmed tells me it was an automated script of some sort, either done by the secrets being hacked/leaked from the company and withdraws initiated by API's or they simply took the balances themselves.

They need to do some series of test regarding this thing and it seems only some people that deposited huge to the site that was affected by this and not some dust amount of deposit. This could be all planned with using some bug / script to withdraw atleast X btc depositted to the site

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December 12, 2015, 10:58:02 AM
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Beware before depositing: Many people are having the issue of their balance being stolen the instant it is confirmed

I dont think there is any issue at all, look at the accounts that are posted with. They are all newbies with little post counts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=629209
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=683383
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=409840
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=686547

I think this is an organized defamation attempt to slander Satoshidice's reputation.


I have been using the site lately and had no problems at all. These guys should be banned, they have absolute no proof of their accusations, and the newbies keep coming up. All these accounts have been made few days ago.

Dont be this naive to fall into this cheap trick. Probably some competitor casino got very mad at Satoshidices success.

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December 12, 2015, 11:00:47 AM
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Beware before depositing: Many people are having the issue of their balance being stolen the instant it is confirmed

I dont think there is any issue at all, look at the accounts that are posted with. They are all newbies with little post counts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=629209
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=683383
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=409840
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=686547

I think this is an organized defamation attempt to slander Satoshidice's reputation.


I have been using the site lately and had no problems at all. These guys should be banned, they have absolute no proof of their accusations, and the newbies keep coming up. All these accounts have been made few days ago.

Dont be this naive to fall into this cheap trick. Probably some competitor casino got very mad at Satoshidices success.

You are the one naive because you are blindly defending the site that you liked. Not everyone are here to post at the forum and get themselves a high rank account. Also having high rank account doesnt mean it is legit since account can be bought

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December 12, 2015, 11:04:36 AM
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You are the one naive because you are blindly defending the site that you liked. Not everyone are here to post at the forum and get themselves a high rank account. Also having high rank account doesnt mean it is legit since account can be bought

Well first of all I like the site and I have used it without problems.

Secondly, the accusers have no proof at all about their claims. Yet they all pop out of nowhere with newbies accounts of 1-2 days old having the same problem.

So which one is more likely:
a) Bunch of trolls create new accounts and trying to FUD the thread with lies and slander
b) A 4 year old reputable casino with very good management goes scam



I`ll let you answer that yourself Smiley

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December 12, 2015, 11:16:34 AM
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You are the one naive because you are blindly defending the site that you liked. Not everyone are here to post at the forum and get themselves a high rank account. Also having high rank account doesnt mean it is legit since account can be bought

Well first of all I like the site and I have used it without problems.

Secondly, the accusers have no proof at all about their claims. Yet they all pop out of nowhere with newbies accounts of 1-2 days old having the same problem.
So which one is more likely:
a) Bunch of trolls create new accounts and trying to FUD the thread with lies and slander
b) A 3 year old reputable casino with very good management goes scam

I`ll let you answer that yourself Smiley

So a newbie that created account few days ago means they are trolls to FUD? that is just a lame excuses. As I said, not everyone are here to post so they dont really have account until they need to post. Second is, this casino has no 3+ years reputation because once it changes ownership, reputation start from ground again

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December 12, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
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You are the one naive because you are blindly defending the site that you liked. Not everyone are here to post at the forum and get themselves a high rank account. Also having high rank account doesnt mean it is legit since account can be bought

Well first of all I like the site and I have used it without problems.

Secondly, the accusers have no proof at all about their claims. Yet they all pop out of nowhere with newbies accounts of 1-2 days old having the same problem.

So which one is more likely:
a) Bunch of trolls create new accounts and trying to FUD the thread with lies and slander
b) A 4 year old reputable casino with very good management goes scam



I`ll let you answer that yourself Smiley

What is your problem? People's deposits have been dissapearing including mine and the company has not been able to come up with a clear answer so far.
They point towards withdrawels with no relationship to the deposit whatsoever, they told they would check IP logs but it has been silent since then...

If you really think I would create FUD for a mere 0.2BTC then you are being naive on a whole new level.

My missing bitcoins is not what I am concerned about, the fact that dozens of people are having the same issue and nothing has been solved or cleared up so far is.
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December 12, 2015, 11:31:08 AM
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So a newbie that created account few days ago means they are trolls to FUD? that is just a lame excuses. As I said, not everyone are here to post so they dont really have account until they need to post. Second is, this casino has no 3+ years reputation because once it changes ownership, reputation start from ground again

Ok so let's be gentlemen here and not speculate but let's analyze what we got.


⇛ Ok so the accusers are accusing SD of technical incompetence and/or becoming scam

⇛ Evidence: Testimonial (at best), no screenshots, no video, no bitcoin transaction reference + they are all done by newbies who made accounts few days ago

⇛ I say case dismissed until further evidence comes along.



It's really easy to create 20 accounts and start accusing random bitcoin services on forum, it can be done in like 10 minutes. So when a bunch of newbie accounts start popping up, and FUD-ing, your basic instinct is:  TROLLS.

Sorry but on forums, you either need 2-3 Senior members confirming the accusations, or start banning the FUD-ers.

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December 12, 2015, 11:32:59 AM
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What is your problem? People's deposits have been dissapearing including mine and the company has not been able to come up with a clear answer so far.
They point towards withdrawels with no relationship to the deposit whatsoever, they told they would check IP logs but it has been silent since then...

If you really think I would create FUD for a mere 0.2BTC then you are being naive on a whole new level.

My missing bitcoins is not what I am concerned about, the fact that dozens of people are having the same issue and nothing has been solved or cleared up so far is.

Ok you are the first senior member to confirm the problem (sorry but I discount newbies with 1-2 posts, not a good evidence). Let's have 2-3 more senior members confirming it until we rush to judgement.

Sorry but on forums like this where trolls grow on trees, you have to gather much evidence before you can prove something.

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December 12, 2015, 11:37:01 AM
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Whilst I may have very few posts here I can assure you I'm not here to spread FUD and willing to prove it however that may be achieved. As I said I withdrew 50 btc 2 days agao without a hitch, correction 45.99btc as I threw caution to the wind with a few more bets but the 2btc this morning has seemingly vanished into thin air and still hasn't shown up.

If admin care to look thru my account with regular deposit's and withdrawals I believe it would put a question mark over the logic of me making a claim like this. which brings me to the fact that its been what I'd call very poor customer service in that I've not even been contacted in regards to this or even been acknowledged on this forum. 2btc which is over $1000aud isn't chicken feed and I want to know when and if it will be in my account or do I need to go to the authorities as mentioned in their legal statement in regards to gambling, a move I'd be reluctant to perform but willing to if it comes to that. cheers  
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December 12, 2015, 11:38:34 AM
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What is your problem? People's deposits have been dissapearing including mine and the company has not been able to come up with a clear answer so far.
They point towards withdrawels with no relationship to the deposit whatsoever, they told they would check IP logs but it has been silent since then...

If you really think I would create FUD for a mere 0.2BTC then you are being naive on a whole new level.

My missing bitcoins is not what I am concerned about, the fact that dozens of people are having the same issue and nothing has been solved or cleared up so far is.

Ok you are the first senior member to confirm the problem (sorry but I discount newbies with 1-2 posts, not a good evidence). Let's have 2-3 more senior members confirming it until we rush to judgement.

Sorry but on forums like this where trolls grow on trees, you have to gather much evidence before you can prove something.

This forum is also where humans turns into a complete idiot . No one is discrediting the site, people are seeking their lost deposits and that is all.

Sorry but on forums, you either need 2-3 Senior members confirming the accusations, or start banning the FUD-ers.

Yeah right this is the most complete idiot thing to read today. If someone bought 10 senior accounts just to accuse with no proof that you are a scammer then you are a scammer ? Think it once again before you post this sentence  Wink

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December 12, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
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What is your problem? People's deposits have been dissapearing including mine and the company has not been able to come up with a clear answer so far.
They point towards withdrawels with no relationship to the deposit whatsoever, they told they would check IP logs but it has been silent since then...

If you really think I would create FUD for a mere 0.2BTC then you are being naive on a whole new level.

My missing bitcoins is not what I am concerned about, the fact that dozens of people are having the same issue and nothing has been solved or cleared up so far is.

Ok you are the first senior member to confirm the problem (sorry but I discount newbies with 1-2 posts, not a good evidence). Let's have 2-3 more senior members confirming it until we rush to judgement.

Sorry but on forums like this where trolls grow on trees, you have to gather much evidence before you can prove something.

If I deposit $100 at a bank and it is suddenly gone from my account it is their responsibility to show what happend to it and where it went.

I "purchased" a balance of 0.2BTC at Satoshidice (Transaction: https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/44596675705175fde6de5248988244759d7e5d8d69bb54f30a722fc74af3cf55).

After fulfilling payment I never received the product (balance of 0.2BTC on the account) so it is their responsibility to explain why I did not receive my product and to investigate and show what went wrong and where the 0.2BTC is now since I never received it.

How am I supposed to provide more information other then the deposit? The website barely shows any details regarding deposits and withdrawels and the balance vanished instantly after the first confirmation.

Update: Issue has been Solved, SatoshiDice has refunded my original deposit and a compensation for things going wrong when the deposit disappeared
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December 12, 2015, 11:49:57 AM
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Yeah right this is the most complete idiot thing to read today. If someone bought 10 senior accounts just to accuse with no proof that you are a scammer then you are a scammer ? Think it once again before you post this sentence  Wink

Buying 10 senior accounts is less likely, than creating 10 newbies accounts.

Buying 10 seniors would cost you about 7-8 BTC depending on trust levels, Creating 10 newbies would cost you 0 BTC and about 10 minutes.

You should think about it, the probabilities are different.

This forum is also where humans turns into a complete idiot . No one is discrediting the site, people are seeking their lost deposits and that is all.

Evidence or it didnt happen. You cant just throw accusations in the air without any backing.


If I deposit $100 at a bank and it is suddenly gone from my account it is their responsibility to show what happend to it and where it went.


Yes that is true, but if you start accusing them then you need to supply evidence.

The burden of evidence is always on the accuser not the defandant. Innocent until proven guilty, isn't it?


How am I supposed to provide more information other then the deposit? The website barely shows any details regarding deposits and withdrawels and the balance vanished instantly after the first confirmation.


I don't know, but still if you accuse them you need to supply evidence.

I can't just go into a bank and say that I lost 1 billion $ here and please refund it, that would be called extortion isn't it? So what is the difference in this place?

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December 12, 2015, 12:00:32 PM
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They already confirmed that I made a  deposit of 0.2BTC, yet they point towards a Withdrawal I never initiated.


Here's your transactions:

Code:
{
  "0": {
    "address": "13cpccyfKfZtGXX5feYjxpzLScSeaJwN3m",
    "category": "receive",
    "amountInSatoshis": 20000000,
    "time": "2015-12-09 21:13:17",
    "timereceived": "2015-12-09 21:13:17",
    "txid": "44596675705175fde6de5248988244759d7e5d8d69bb54f30a722fc74af3cf55",
    "confirmations": 10
  },
  "1": {
    "address": "1QKvWJPi8RjJZ7y6oSASpUA6nQChog7LcD",
    "category": "send",
    "amountInSatoshis": -19990000,
    "withdrawalFeeInSatoshis": 0,
    "time": "2015-12-09 22:06:48",
    "txid": "99ed4bdf18dacaf090f280739d2cc7ee70ae7d2ca1848465099313386bd99f5f",
    "confirmations": 10
  },
  "queryTimeInSeconds": 0.0208
}

So the point is simple: A deposit was made and confirmed by both parties, a company can't just say someone on the other side of the world withdrawed your money but we can't provide any information on how it happend or who did it.

So unless they come with any real facts that they did not steal the money themselves this can be considered as digital fraud/theft.

The fact that they are not even willing to help at all so far says enough in my opinion, there are alot of people experiencing the same problem and the company just points at us saying all our computers were somehow compromised in the past few days while nothing wrong is happening on their side.

Complete bullshit in my opinion, I use other sites and wallets with alot more Bitcoins in them everyday and everything is perfectly fine and secure.

Update: Issue has been Solved, SatoshiDice has refunded my original deposit and a compensation for things going wrong when the deposit disappeared
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December 12, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
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They already confirmed that I made a  deposit of 0.2BTC, yet they point towards a Withdrawal I never initiated.

So the point is simple: A deposit was made and confirmed by both parties, a company can't just say someone on the other side of the world withdrawed your money but we can't provide any information on how it happend or who did it.

So unless they come with any real facts that they did not steal the money themselves this can be considered as digital fraud/theft.

The fact that they are not even willing to help at all so far says enough in my opinion, there are alot of people experiencing the same problem and the company just points at us saying all our computers were somehow compromised in the past few days while nothing wrong is happening on their side.

Complete bullshit in my opinion, I use other sites and wallets with alot more Bitcoins in them everyday and everything is perfectly fine and secure.

Ok then open a thread in scam accusations and debate the thing there, or wait until the representatives answer about that.

As I said I`ve not kept up with all posts here, I`ve just seen many newbies complaining here, and my default instinct was: troll invasion.

But if it's a real problem, then it definitely needs to be solved /debated/ discussed.



I can guarantee you that I have used the site in the past 2 days, and I had no problem whatsoever so far. But if there is a real problem out there then I want to know about it too Smiley

(Who knows maybe the browser is crappy? Maybe you have a thief browser addon that injects malware or keylogger and steals bitcoin? So you should do your own investigation too)

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December 12, 2015, 12:10:16 PM
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I can't just go into a bank and say that I lost 1 billion $ here and please refund it, that would be called extortion isn't it? So what is the difference in this place?

You are not reading correctly, he has provided proof that he deposit into the site and it is missing suddenly but SD claimed player withdraw it already. People have the right to ask for refund for this case if it is really that there is something wrong with SD system
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They already confirmed that I made a  deposit of 0.2BTC, yet they point towards a Withdrawal I never initiated.

So the point is simple: A deposit was made and confirmed by both parties, a company can't just say someone on the other side of the world withdrawed your money but we can't provide any information on how it happend or who did it.

So unless they come with any real facts that they did not steal the money themselves this can be considered as digital fraud/theft.

The fact that they are not even willing to help at all so far says enough in my opinion, there are alot of people experiencing the same problem and the company just points at us saying all our computers were somehow compromised in the past few days while nothing wrong is happening on their side.

Complete bullshit in my opinion, I use other sites and wallets with alot more Bitcoins in them everyday and everything is perfectly fine and secure.

Ok then open a thread in scam accusations and debate the thing there, or wait until the representatives answer about that.

As I said I`ve not kept up with all posts here, I`ve just seen many newbies complaining here, and my default instinct was: troll invasion.

But if it's a real problem, then it definitely needs to be solved /debated/ discussed.

I can guarantee you that I have used the site in the past 2 days, and I had no problem whatsoever so far. But if there is a real problem out there then I want to know about it too Smiley

I feel the need to warn new people here about the risks before making a deposit and untill this is solved I do plan to continue doing so.

Posting the warnings here reduces the risk of more people getting their deposits stolen, debating this in scam accusations solves nothing and allows the company to freely continue without actually coming up with an answer for these issues.

Update: Issue has been Solved, SatoshiDice has refunded my original deposit and a compensation for things going wrong when the deposit disappeared
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December 12, 2015, 12:17:27 PM
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I can't just go into a bank and say that I lost 1 billion $ here and please refund it, that would be called extortion isn't it? So what is the difference in this place?

You are not reading correctly, he has provided proof that he deposit into the site and it is missing suddenly but SD claimed player withdraw it already. People have the right to ask for refund for this case if it is really that there is something wrong with SD system


They already confirmed that I made a  deposit of 0.2BTC, yet they point towards a Withdrawal I never initiated.

So the point is simple: A deposit was made and confirmed by both parties, a company can't just say someone on the other side of the world withdrawed your money but we can't provide any information on how it happend or who did it.

So unless they come with any real facts that they did not steal the money themselves this can be considered as digital fraud/theft.

The fact that they are not even willing to help at all so far says enough in my opinion, there are alot of people experiencing the same problem and the company just points at us saying all our computers were somehow compromised in the past few days while nothing wrong is happening on their side.

Complete bullshit in my opinion, I use other sites and wallets with alot more Bitcoins in them everyday and everything is perfectly fine and secure.

Ok then open a thread in scam accusations and debate the thing there, or wait until the representatives answer about that.

As I said I`ve not kept up with all posts here, I`ve just seen many newbies complaining here, and my default instinct was: troll invasion.

But if it's a real problem, then it definitely needs to be solved /debated/ discussed.

I can guarantee you that I have used the site in the past 2 days, and I had no problem whatsoever so far. But if there is a real problem out there then I want to know about it too Smiley

I feel the need to warn new people here about the risks before making a deposit and untill this is solved I do plan to continue doing so.

Posting the warnings here reduces the risk of more people getting their deposits stolen, debating this in scam accusations solves nothing and allows the company to freely continue without actually coming up with an answer for these issues.

Beware before depositing: Many people are having the issue of their balance being stolen the instant it is confirmed

Ok so let's assume that the claims are plausible. I try to be impartial here, even if I might have a slight bias.


Is there any possibility that the user or his PC messed this thing up?

    ● He deposited to wrong address?

    ● He has malware on his PC that changes the output address? Like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z2hsa/there_is_bitcoinstealing_malware_reported_in_the/

    ● Shitty browser? Malicious browser addon? Other flash/java based viruses?

    ● Infected PC, keyloggers, remote access viruses?

Is that a possibility that the malwares mentioned above could have something to do with it?


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December 12, 2015, 12:24:01 PM
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Ok so let's assume that the claims are plausible. I try to be impartial here, even if I might have a slight bias.


Is there any possibility that the user or his PC messed this thing up?

    ● He deposited to wrong address?
SatoshiDice already confirmed that both I  and some others made a deposit

    ● He has malware on his PC that changes the output address? Like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z2hsa/there_is_bitcoinstealing_malware_reported_in_the/

    ● Shitty browser? Malicious browser addon? Other flash/java based viruses?

    ● Infected PC, keyloggers, remote access viruses?

These 3 questions are really naive, there are alot of people experiening the same issues in the past few days so they somehow all got compromised? Like I already said I have access to Exchanges and Local wallets daily so if my computer was compromised I would be losing alot more then 0.2BTC

Is that a possibility that the malwares mentioned above could have something to do with it?


I think you are not even reading the reply's I am giving you but are just trying to prove your point/statement.
All of these questions have already been answered...

Having a discussion with someone is always great, but if the other party is not even listening to what you are saying then it is unfortunately a waste of time.
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