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March 30, 2015, 09:36:57 PM
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So on 2015-03-26 at 15:42:54 I was playing on their website and then decided to make an off-chain bet. So I make the bet (https://blockchain.info/tx/35a06e1a331ae48b8f73a2c8f41056a95c503d7d3b1c071e20bfafcc8bf5caa9) but something gets broken in their system and the bet is not processed. I then ask what is going on and they say it will be fixed in a short while. I wait a few more hours and then decide to get over with the stress so I ask for them to cancel the bet.
They then tell me: "Sorry about that, if you message the transaction id, I'll see what I can do.". So I send them the transaction ID and after a few more hours of no response I send another message ranting about their bad customer service and they respond with the following:
"Yes sorry about the delay, the blockchain database is moved to a new server and we are activating it now. The downtime was caused by an unexpected issue so we couldn't warn in advance unfortunately. I just sent 0.2 to your sent from address. The actual bet will be processed normaly as soon as we get the block chain game running again. At least this bet now has a big positive expected value.".

Yes unfortunately the system was down and it doesn't support bet cancelling. A free 0.2 is not a bad compensation considering that the bet and payout was still going to be processed and you could have made a much bigger profit. If we cancel bets (even if only having the possivility to cancel bets), it would be possible for us to cheat by accepting cancellation of winning bets and stall cancellation of others. The system would no longer be provably fair.

We apologize for the problems that the downtime caused you. We do everything we can to keep everything running smoothly and we have improved the server configuration to help correcting similar failures much faster in the future.

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March 30, 2015, 11:53:24 PM
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March 31, 2015, 12:20:57 AM
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The last 0.01 bonus has now been credited to the following accounts!

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I get the 0.01 bonus, thx for this giveaway.

I make some rolls in your site, and for a moment think it was not fair because i see you have a "server roll" and a "client roll", for a moment i think the client roll was always a random number, and i don't like that... but i keep searching on the site and found the option to enter the "client roll" for the next bet. After that i keep reading about the "Provably Fair Verification" and site looks really Provably Fair. Is a complex system but after breaking my head i solve the provably fair puzzle  Grin Great site.

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March 31, 2015, 01:04:36 AM
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Yes unfortunately the system was down and it doesn't support bet cancelling. A free 0.2 is not a bad compensation considering that the bet and payout was still going to be processed and you could have made a much bigger profit. If we cancel bets (even if only having the possivility to cancel bets), it would be possible for us to cheat by accepting cancellation of winning bets and stall cancellation of others. The system would no longer be provably fair.

We apologize for the problems that the downtime caused you. We do everything we can to keep everything running smoothly and we have improved the server configuration to help correcting similar failures much faster in the future.

If you cancel only the winning bets and stall the losing ones then that is cheating. But if a user asks you to cancel a bet and you do it regardless of the outcome that you already know then there is nothing wrong with it. You just have to respect your customer's choice as the mental stress is on them. The user should have the right to decide weather that should happen or if they want to proceed in special circumstances. The reason I asked for it is very reasonable as it took two days for my bet to get processed when it should have been instantaneous. I asked for a refund more than a day before and told you I would rather give you back your 0.2 and have my peace of mind but you did not respect my decision. It is a simple thing for your company to do and we could have done it many ways but you would not communicate with me. What I disliked the most about the situation is you ignoring me. I sent several emails and PMs without response for a couple of days.
 
Also another problem with bets that take longer than usual to get processed is the seed used. So some might argue that it should be the seed of the day it was bet or the day it was processed and if you do not have a clearly stated company policy on which is used that can even be considered cheating and get rid of the provable fairness. You could just wait until the day where you are happy with the total outcome and then process it. I am pretty sure that this is not the case with you but this is in theory possible.

Even if we would allow bet cancellations we could say the email got lost and we didn't see the cancellation request for losing bets and it would require rules for cancellation, so we don't do it.

You can check with the provably fair calculation that the hashes and secrets for the correct day was used. If the numbers check out for the secrets and hash for the day the bet was placed, it's proof that it was was processed fairly. Hashes are provided in advance so we can't change the day of the secrets to be used with a particular bet.

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March 31, 2015, 01:08:27 AM
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The last 0.01 bonus has now been credited to the following accounts!

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42386 BunsenBurner
42390 kolloh
42391 seoincorporation
42396 xtanns
42399 retes1234
42411 Southpaw0
42420 Chumlee
42474 pureelite
42487 Lambo06
42489 z7z7z7z
42496 fini
42499 jeannemadrigal2

I get the 0.01 bonus, thx for this giveaway.

I make some rolls in your site, and for a moment think it was not fair because i see you have a "server roll" and a "client roll", for a moment i think the client roll was always a random number, and i don't like that... but i keep searching on the site and found the option to enter the "client roll" for the next bet. After that i keep reading about the "Provably Fair Verification" and site looks really Provably Fair. Is a complex system but after breaking my head i solve the provably fair puzzle  Grin Great site.

Yes it's a bit tricky but the numbers check out in the end! It's also possible to use the API to rapidly change the client roll before each round so that the theoretical possibility of cheating a player that provides the same roll many times disappears.

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March 31, 2015, 09:33:59 AM
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Um how do I verify my ON-CHAIN bets since these:
https://www.satoshidice.com/files/daily-secret-hash.txt
https://www.satoshidice.com/secretlist.php
are outdated?Are the last rolls were rolled on the same secret which is Ugqls7Yip8lou6nIq3mSFAR3u8qwW8RGfCtf2HVDCmFUIqopuMdk3uDcyD00h82p
Ok I am glad that you fixed the daily secret hash but why you didn't updated the secret list?Also can I get a code to verify my bets?

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March 31, 2015, 11:45:24 AM
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Yes unfortunately the system was down and it doesn't support bet cancelling. A free 0.2 is not a bad compensation considering that the bet and payout was still going to be processed and you could have made a much bigger profit. If we cancel bets (even if only having the possivility to cancel bets), it would be possible for us to cheat by accepting cancellation of winning bets and stall cancellation of others. The system would no longer be provably fair.

We apologize for the problems that the downtime caused you. We do everything we can to keep everything running smoothly and we have improved the server configuration to help correcting similar failures much faster in the future.

If you cancel only the winning bets and stall the losing ones then that is cheating. But if a user asks you to cancel a bet and you do it regardless of the outcome that you already know then there is nothing wrong with it. You just have to respect your customer's choice as the mental stress is on them. The user should have the right to decide weather that should happen or if they want to proceed in special circumstances. The reason I asked for it is very reasonable as it took two days for my bet to get processed when it should have been instantaneous. I asked for a refund more than a day before and told you I would rather give you back your 0.2 and have my peace of mind but you did not respect my decision. It is a simple thing for your company to do and we could have done it many ways but you would not communicate with me. What I disliked the most about the situation is you ignoring me. I sent several emails and PMs without response for a couple of days.
 
Also another problem with bets that take longer than usual to get processed is the seed used. So some might argue that it should be the seed of the day it was bet or the day it was processed and if you do not have a clearly stated company policy on which is used that can even be considered cheating and get rid of the provable fairness. You could just wait until the day where you are happy with the total outcome and then process it. I am pretty sure that this is not the case with you but this is in theory possible.

Even if we would allow bet cancellations we could say the email got lost and we didn't see the cancellation request for losing bets and it would require rules for cancellation, so we don't do it.

You can check with the provably fair calculation that the hashes and secrets for the correct day was used. If the numbers check out for the secrets and hash for the day the bet was placed, it's proof that it was was processed fairly. Hashes are provided in advance so we can't change the day of the secrets to be used with a particular bet.

I guess I am a victim of your company's lack of policy regarding cancellation in special circumstances such as mine but I would recommend creating one for the future. Just because it was not there does not mean one cannot be created and applied to a previous case or an exception be made. It is absurd to not give your consumer a choice when it is not their fault and keep them on the tips of their toes for 2 days or so!
I see where your logic is coming from but your concern can easily be nullified by using the blockchain as a permanent trustless and public ledger. One possible solution is to allow cancellation in certain circumstances (such as after a period of downtime) by telling those who want to cancel their bets to send a transaction of a certain tiny amount before a certain time or block number or even before it is repaired. This way there will be no way for anyone to deny or claim anything that is or is not on the great Blockchain! I am sure there are many other solutions and you have to just think about it but just try your best to avoid putting someone else in my situation.
Thank you

Yes, you are right and thanks for making this into a constructive dialogue. Sorry about the slow responses. A 0.6 has been sent to you to make up the total 0.8 of your bet. We will make a clear policy about how to handle downtimes.

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March 31, 2015, 12:26:11 PM
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Um how do I verify my ON-CHAIN bets since these:
https://www.satoshidice.com/files/daily-secret-hash.txt
https://www.satoshidice.com/secretlist.php
are outdated?Are the last rolls were rolled on the same secret which is Ugqls7Yip8lou6nIq3mSFAR3u8qwW8RGfCtf2HVDCmFUIqopuMdk3uDcyD00h82p
Ok I am glad that you fixed the daily secret hash but why you didn't updated the secret list?Also can I get a code to verify my bets?

You can verify a block chain bet like in the following example: https://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=b7cea6bf9d8479627d8030b770f911eaa6dce0aed65ec573c496ccc53c50ca70 (you can just change to make it use your transaction id in the URL)

We just publiched hashes for the 2 next months at https://www.satoshidice.com/files/daily-secret-hash.txt

The secrets for the day of the bet are not published until the next day. Since we had a server break down, the updating of the secrets was delayed but you can still confirm the fairness of your bets once the secrets are published.


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March 31, 2015, 03:08:36 PM
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Is refereal system changed somechow?
My ref was https://www.satoshidice.com/?a=973310702 and now I see it is https://www.satoshidice.com/?a=44149265
Do they both works for me or 1st one is now obsolete?
When it was changed?

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March 31, 2015, 03:55:23 PM
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Hi,

I am having trouble verifying a transaction. https://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=37b2a87252f5bdcf750cbc7412a644b5e6dd51dafec8237c77d5bd69016294da returns nothing. I sent 0.05 btc to 1dicegEArYHgbwQZhvr5G9Ah2s7SFuW1y, the 85% block chain address.

Any help?

Thanks in advance.
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2015-03-30


0.05 BTC

https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/37b2a87252f5bdcf750cbc7412a644b5e6dd51dafec8237c77d5bd69016294da

OMG
you wait few Days Wink

brother i am also masturbations a lot in this 4 or 5 days
i kill a lot time/energy

to make fix some specifics

you lucky to save 0.15 btc BTC your But


but i lose about 0.8 BTC


i recomend you not put your all egs in one 1 basket




Casinos all shit = Results = 0$

-nervous
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March 31, 2015, 05:03:33 PM
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Is refereal system changed somechow?
My ref was https://www.satoshidice.com/?a=973310702 and now I see it is https://www.satoshidice.com/?a=44149265
Do they both works for me or 1st one is now obsolete?
When it was changed?

Most likely you have two accounts. Both should work just fine.

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March 31, 2015, 05:16:56 PM
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2015-03-30


0.05 BTC

https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/37b2a87252f5bdcf750cbc7412a644b5e6dd51dafec8237c77d5bd69016294da

OMG
you wait few Days Wink

brother i am also masturbations a lot in this 4 or 5 days
i kill a lot time/energy

to make fix some specifics

you lucky to save 0.15 btc BTC your But


but i lose about 0.8 BTC


i recomend you not put your all egs in one 1 basket




Casinos all shit = Results = 0$

-nervous
-energy
-all = 0 $


Unfortunately your bet is stuck  because the system doesn't support bets from multi sig addresses yet. We're trying to correct this as soon as possible!

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Thank you for this giveaway Smiley

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March 31, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
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i lose about 2 few Bitcoin

i know this to my self ;(

i am idiot


in two day

i NEWER BE SENT BITCOINS TO THIS SITE
I EXIT FINAL

this how narcotic
wont get money back
and get = results = 0$


i suicide situation

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We now have API calls for the investing functionality:


Retrieve your investor stats:

 You can retrieve your investor statistics with the following API call:
   https://session.satoshidice.com/investor/invest.php?secret=YourSecretAsItAppearsInURL

 Typical response:

({
    "percentage": "0.000000000",
    "initial_investment": "0.00000000",
    "current_investment": "0.00000000",
    "current_profit": "0.00000000",
    "gross_profit": "0.00000000",
    "last_high_profit": "0.00000000",
    "total_comission_paid": "0.00000000",
    "InvestorBalance": "277.37303014",
    "total_house_profit": "227.58197066",
    "protected": "1",
    "status": "success"
})


 Or if the provided secret is invalid, the page simply outputs:


({
    "message": "Wrong Secret",
    "status": "fail"
})



Make an investment:
   You can make an investment with the following API call:
      https://session.satoshidice.com/investor/investing.php?secret=YourSecretAsItAppearsInURL&amount=amountInBTC
   The minimum amount to invest is 0.001BTC

 If the provided secret is invalid, the page simply outputs:
({
    "message": "Wrong Secret",
    "status": "fail"
})

Or if the amount provided is invalid:
({
    "message": "You have to invest at least 0.001 BTC.",
    "status": "fail"
})   

If there is no Balance available for investing in your account:
({
    "message": "Not enough balance",
    "status": "fail"
})

On General Error it will output:

({
    "message": "General Error occured.",
    "status": "fail"
})

A successfull investment will output:

({
    "message": "Successfully invested amountInBTC .",
    "status": "success"
})



Make an Divestment:

   You can make an divestment with the following API call:
      https://session.satoshidice.com/investor/divesting.php?secret=YourSecretAsItAppearsInURL&amount=amountInBTC&p=yourpassword
   The "p" parameter is only needed if your account is password protected.


 If the provided secret is invalid, the page simply outputs:
({
    "message": "Wrong Secret",
    "status": "fail"
})

Or if the amount provided is invalid:


({
    "message": "Invalid Amount",
    "status": "fail"
})   

If there is no Balance available for divesting:
({
    "message": "Not enough balance",
    "status": "fail"
})


If the password is wrong:
({
    "message": "Incorrect Password",
    "status": "10"
})


A successfull divestment will output:

({
    "message": "Successfully divested amountInBTC .",
    "status": "success"
})


On General Error it will output:

({
    "message": "General Error occured.",
    "status": "fail"
})



Password protection:
SatoshiDice offers password protection for your account.This means that on a password protected account ,a password will be needed for divestments and withdrawals.

A typical API call for setting up a password is :

https://session.satoshidice.com/userapi/protect.php?secret=YourSecretAsItAppearsInURL&p=yourpassword

Password must contains only A-Za-z0-9 characters and must not be longer than 32 characters.

On success it will print:
({
    "message": "Successfully added.",
    "status": "success"
})

You can change your password bu using this API call:

https://session.satoshidice.com/userapi/protect.php?secret=YourSecretAsItAppearsInURL&p=newpassword&oldp=oldpassword

On success it will print:
({
    "message": "Successfully added.",
    "status": "success"
})


There can be the following errrors returned ,which are self explanatory:
({
    "message": "Password must contains only A-Za-z0-9",
    "status": "fail"
})


({
    "message": "Password cannot be empty",
    "status": "fail"
})

({
    "message": "Password cannot be longer than 32 chars.",
    "status": "fail"
})

({
    "message": "Old Password is wrong.",
    "status": "fail"
})


And finally a general error:

({
    "message": "Error occured",
    "status": "fail"
})

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April 01, 2015, 01:18:34 AM
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i lose about 2 few Bitcoin

i know this to my self ;(

i am idiot


in two day

i NEWER BE SENT BITCOINS TO THIS SITE
I EXIT FINAL

this how narcotic
wont get money back
and get = results = 0$


i suicide situation



i not be recomend and bet this script site

I MAKE TODAY ABOUT/MORE 40+ TRANZACTIONS

2 BTC

Results = 0$


i lose all my bitcoins
i make experiment but i know

all casino is total scam in practic
not sent your bitcoins
this site vampire your bitcoin

Anyone got any Project Ideas, I am a Web Developer
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April 01, 2015, 01:39:25 AM
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Really great website, have been gambling for while on SatoshiDice and have won plenty of bitcoins. Smiley
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April 01, 2015, 02:18:37 AM
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The following claims have now been processed!

41918
41909
41906
41908
41916
41922
41927
41924
41928
41931
41920
41943
41963
41945
41946
41948
41954
33274
41956
41958
41959
41964

There were quite a few newbies that didn't get credited, and also a couple of IDs that didn't exist. Please double check and I will process them if you correct.

Thanks for the free bits and everything but you can take back the 0.01 (and the profits from the one little bet I won) from User ID: 41931

I can't get them now.  I signed up from an iPad and it seems the browser has lost my secret.

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