GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[Phildo]

These traveling coins are mainly being shuffled around , divided up and then recombined, etc. since the 2/25-2/26 "hack" event when they left what appear to be Prime Controller addresses. Some have indeed already made it to Cryptsy. This is an obvious attempt to try to hide where these coins came from and who is in possession of them. They have , however, been in some known addresses since the "hack" though, so that is not going to fly. I am astounded that no one on HT is picking up on this.

Look at the bright side. Takign them out of the prime controllers has slowed down the inflation a little, so people aren't getting as fucked (in one way) as they were before.

I just hope there's enough paycoins to go around when hashstakers start expiring.

[NewJerseyJess]

Can someone post the train ticket for josh that was posted a few pages back? https://hashtalk.org/topic/33102/is-this-true would love to see their reaction.

[jimmothy]

These traveling coins are mainly being shuffled around , divided up and then recombined, etc. since the 2/25-2/26 "hack" event when they left what appear to be Prime Controller addresses. Some have indeed already made it to Cryptsy. This is an obvious attempt to try to hide where these coins came from and who is in possession of them. They have , however, been in some known addresses since the "hack" though, so that is not going to fly. I am astounded that no one on HT is picking up on this.

Proof?

[Paul Revere]

These traveling coins are mainly being shuffled around , divided up and then recombined, etc. since the 2/25-2/26 "hack" event when they left what appear to be Prime Controller addresses. Some have indeed already made it to Cryptsy. This is an obvious attempt to try to hide where these coins came from and who is in possession of them. They have , however, been in some known addresses since the "hack" though, so that is not going to fly. I am astounded that no one on HT is picking up on this.

Look at the bright side. Takign them out of the prime controllers has slowed down the inflation a little, so people aren't getting as fucked (in one way) as they were before.

I just hope there's enough paycoins to go around when hashstakers start expiring.

Right, they are going to get screwed sooner. I suspect the decision was made to pull these coins out (supposedly locked for 6 months) because the shysters have figured that the price is going to tank so quickly that they want to try to cash in now while an XPY is still valued in pennies, rather than waiting a month or two when they will likely be valued in satoshis and even the huge hyper inflation payouts will be worth squat. If this was something on the up and up, they would not be going through the massive amount of work to try to obscure the trail of ownership of these coins.

[vizique]

Can someone post the train ticket for josh that was posted a few pages back? https://hashtalk.org/topic/33102/is-this-true would love to see their reaction.

I saw it "Clichy" springs to mind when i remember it and 10th March, Bruxelles. sadly I didn't screen cap it as I was reading so fast...

[-Redacted-]

It's likely they'll dribble out on Cryptsy and the other exchanges a few thousand at a time - in addition to the usual dumps of 1640 XPY being done several times per day there.  

[Paul Revere]

These traveling coins are mainly being shuffled around , divided up and then recombined, etc. since the 2/25-2/26 "hack" event when they left what appear to be Prime Controller addresses. Some have indeed already made it to Cryptsy. This is an obvious attempt to try to hide where these coins came from and who is in possession of them. They have , however, been in some known addresses since the "hack" though, so that is not going to fly. I am astounded that no one on HT is picking up on this.

Proof?

Yes, I am a bit busy to dig it up, but the coins I was tracing yesterday went in and then out of a Cryptsy address (the most interestin address that I referred to), and in the previous days the source group associated with the 13,000+ group I traced had several "small" (1,000-2,000) amounts sent to various Cryptsy addresses as they landed in new addresses for an hour or two. The vast majority have not made it there yet, though. I am a novice at this stuff, so anyone who is more savvy at this please take a look at these coin shuffles going on.

I took a few minutes to find this address: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PAjUmTHnNnPFtFUnvEqApHVosnie76TQTW.htm  Yesterday I did not even realise that was a Cryptsy address. The 13,000 XPY group I was tracing came through here, and then left. It has since been completely emptied.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?352132.htm This 81,923 XPY group sent from the Cryptsy address above leads to the 13,000 group that I was tracing yesterday. Follow the 56,000 XPY group cleaved from this group forward and you will find them. This morning they had been moved to another new address , but not yet divided again, that has probably changed by now.

[strangerdanger101]

Where's Vancefox when you need him?  Is there any kind of reason as to why customer funds are still locked up?  Other than obscure posts with Gonzo grinning nothing from top brass.

[vizique]

This is from another forum but worth the cross post for the value

The test node exited with 186,672.744183 XPY

129,607.455083 XPY went to PLathyqo3P5D4pNMMat7s26mpUnjP7SLZX
57,065.2881 XPY went to P9HwdnKRZD5niS7ua9pSV4DnjKxRPHw73Y (this wallet paid for the majority of the coin destruction three days later, yet didn't have the full 113,344.0 XPY at the time to do it on the date of 02-10.)

Difference of 129,607.455083 XPY - 57,065.2881 XPY = 72,542.166983
Another way to say it, is that the test coins, that weren't destroyed (72,542.166983 out of the 186,672.744183 XPY) went PLathyqo3P5D4pNMMat7s26mpUnjP7SLZX. That address did more interesting things with those coins and kept going, still alive to this day.

Simplified.
1. Out of 186,672.744183 XPY, only 113,344.0 XPY were destroyed.
2. The 129,607.455083 XPY that went to PLathyqo3P5D4pNMMat7s26mpUnjP7SLZX kept moving and I'll give a hint. It kept getting bigger and also still did transfers to P9HwdnKRZD5niS7ua9pSV4DnjKxRPHw73Y in various sums. This went on even after the 02/13 destruction and is still ongoing.

Simplified - They made XPY (money) out of air, staged its destruction (didn't get the numbers even right), and used the rest to keep making more money.

A SEC/FTA/FBI auditor or whomever (maybe they'll just take turns?) is going to have a field day with them.

[-Redacted-]

Where's Vancefox when you need him?  Is there any kind of reason as to why customer funds are still locked up?  Other than obscure posts with Gonzo grinning nothing from top brass.

Don't I remember one of the emails saying something about shutting down withdrawals to stop the decline of the coin and blaming it on "the usual reasons"?

[Honeycutt22]

Anyone know where the screenshot is where Josh said his cloud mininh was only temporary and to get a customer base?

[Paul Revere]

Alright, beer thirty   Was trying to get a skylight project sealed in today , but that isn't going to happen. Anyways, I started tracing that 81,923 group again and within a couple transactions forward found some shaved off and sent to Bittrex. Here is the trail starting with the 56,000 group broken from the 81,923 group:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?352219.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PSUehFotTx798R2be2hWAPE8hJB3WgX644.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?353734.htm Hi Bittrex!! That was on 2/26
I can't believe how In Your Face all of this is. And yet the Batman underpants clad imbeciles on HT continue to circle jerk about whoever was responsible for leaking the Emails while this massive amount of XPY is being disbursed to various exchanges to be shit in their faces by Ol' Homero & Co......


 

[rawbot]

Does anybody have a link to the most complete data dump archive?  Is a torrent being seeded anywhere?

[-Redacted-]

No, you'll hear nothing about this, and the coins will be sold off as quietly as possible.  Any post suggesting that GAW is selling off their pre-mine and test coins posted on Hashtalk will be immediately deleted and the poster banned.

[inBitweTrust]

 

What is frightening about this is the amount. Are they so desperate that they are selling 266 of XPY at a time to cover costs and not place too much down pressure on the market? Or do you see a ton of these small sells to exchanges in an attempt to hide the total amount being sold?

I suppose if they are selling 260 bucks per exchange per day that could cover some operational expenses. Awfully desperate though.

[strangerdanger101]

Alright, beer thirty   Was trying to get a skylight project sealed in today , but that isn't going to happen. Anyways, I started tracing that 81,923 group again and within a couple transactions forward found some shaved off and sent to Bittrex. Here is the trail starting with the 56,000 group broken from the 81,923 group:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?352219.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PSUehFotTx798R2be2hWAPE8hJB3WgX644.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?353734.htm Hi Bittrex!! That was on 2/26
I can't believe how In Your Face all of this is. And yet the Batman underpants clad imbeciles on HT continue to circle jerk about whoever was responsible for leaking the Emails while this massive amount of XPY is being disbursed to various exchanges to be shit in their faces by Ol' Homero & Co......

https://i.imgur.com/MTsnJ1w.jpg
 

Thats what the HT'ers do best delusional circlejerking.  They think they're the only community that has acomplished anything but I ask what exactly have they acomplished?

[Paul Revere]

I have seen dozens of smallish amounts cleaved off from the larger groups being shuffled around for the past few days. This is actually the smallest one I have seen by far, but then it is going to Bittrex, they probably only need a couple thousand to completely pocket the entire Buy Bid book. Most of them going to Cryptsy accounts are ~5-10,000

[-Redacted-]

[trixter]

This is from another forum but worth the cross post for the value

The test node exited with 186,672.744183 XPY

129,607.455083 XPY went to PLathyqo3P5D4pNMMat7s26mpUnjP7SLZX
57,065.2881 XPY went to P9HwdnKRZD5niS7ua9pSV4DnjKxRPHw73Y (this wallet paid for the majority of the coin destruction three days later, yet didn't have the full 113,344.0 XPY at the time to do it on the date of 02-10.)

Difference of 129,607.455083 XPY - 57,065.2881 XPY = 72,542.166983
Another way to say it, is that the test coins, that weren't destroyed (72,542.166983 out of the 186,672.744183 XPY) went PLathyqo3P5D4pNMMat7s26mpUnjP7SLZX. That address did more interesting things with those coins and kept going, still alive to this day.

Have you cross checked the number of destroyed coins against what the number should be?  Basically I am asking could it be possible that there is another address that was used to destroy coins?

This would be potential proof of a crime, namely wire fraud but possibly some others.  An  easy defense to this claim would be "we destroyed the promised number of coins by  the promised date and time and  here is the blockchain proof".  This is why claims must be looked at singularly before calling it a crime - because that is how they are prosecuted and defended against.  The suggestions (by someone else I believe) that you look at it as a whole and decide if a crime occurred based on a gut feeling is not how the legal system works.  

Taking away  that defense makes it easier.  Proving criminal culpability also makes it easier to win a civil suit which is how most investors will get their money back.  However those that cashed out early can be subject to clawback laws, basically if you cashed out early and profited all of that can be demanded back by the government and then per share awards can be given which means you may end up with a loss in the long term.  This applies to mere investors the same as it does to those actually responsible when an investment vehicle is found to be criminal (look at some of the early investors in the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme, merely because they cashed out early they were punished longer term).

Clawbacks can hose the people that got into XPY early and left early before everything blew up, even though they didnt do anything wrong.  I personally disagree with clawbacks unless the person is found to have known, or reasonably should have known, that the investment was criminal.  The government disagrees with me.

A SEC/FTA/FBI auditor or whomever (maybe they'll just take turns?) is going to have a field day with them.

The SEC largely deals with civil matters.  This is related to advertising for investors, accepting investments, etc.  They do have a unit that works with  the FBI for criminal prosecutions.  

The FBI would deal with wire fraud (for anything on the internet or telephone) and if there was anything mailed mail fraud.  This would be criminal.

The FTA is the federal transit administration.  I think  you meant the FTC which largely deals with truth in advertising claims geared towards consumers mostly in civil court.  They do have a criminal liaison unit which coordinates with criminal agencies like the FBI.  The FTC would  probably stay out of it deferring to the SEC and FBI for the civil and criminal charges should any exist.  I believe they  would likely stay out of it because it is more about investment advertising as opposed to regular advertising.  Both the FTC and SEC regulate speech for the most part, just different areas of it.

[Paul Revere]

Some fun stuff here on that Bittrex address. With the limited action on Bittrex you can clearly see each dump. The candles that appear smallish are actually the correct height and appear to have happened solely from this address, the bigger dumps were conducted from multiple addresses all at once so the volume candles are huge:



That 466 XPY cleaved from a huge ~89,000 (then 56,000) XPY juggled premine group that started moving 2/25 ended up on this address. Now you idiots on HT know who is doing the dumping. It is the guy with access to the premine coins, the one who has been shuffling ~2,000,000 XPY non-stop for days since the "hack" to try to obscure their origin. I will give you a hint who this might be:

"Somebody's Bittrex address " : https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PS56yiwgomeT2gMp8eV8gmXVxdZX6n69xN.htm

Start tracing that stuff Htr's. You will find that it is all coming from the same origin addresses and getting juggled about to confuse things a bit. Wake the fuck up, you are being played for effing FOOLS!