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January 21, 2015, 01:41:46 AM
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I think until BTC price does not recover all the cryptocurrency world, no matter how innovative or good, will be pretty stagnant.
Bay included.


I'm afraid you're right, so let's hope for an upward trend of BTC soon.

Actually, I disagree. I think cryptocurrency is a technology way more far reaching than Bitcoin. And I hope Bitcoin fails so that people open their eyes to decentralization and other tech and stop worshiping btc. Also, its already clear that if Bitcoin fails NuBits will still be at one dollar! So if we have pegging mechanisms with Bay, it will survive.
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January 21, 2015, 01:52:25 AM
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where is the future of bitbay?

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January 21, 2015, 03:26:03 AM
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where is the future of bitbay?


The future is markets and pegging/hedging.
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January 21, 2015, 04:33:13 AM
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where is the future of bitbay?


The future is markets and pegging/hedging.

Is there a general ETA on markets?

I ask because I was part of the IPO and all of the info that was provided for such was kind of flushed down the drain by words from certain folk.  Which is fine, but I am interested in knowing where we are with all of that.  Is it going to start off as a simple P2P marketplace or will there be a few modest vendors in place?

Either way, things are looking pretty good here and I am interested in ongoing development...which should take a more prolonged timetable than the IPO was focusing on.  This is how it should have started, in my opinion, so my kudos to you David for continuing the way you have.

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January 21, 2015, 12:32:58 PM
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we'll stay tuned and will see what happens.
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January 21, 2015, 12:49:46 PM
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I think until BTC price does not recover all the cryptocurrency world, no matter how innovative or good, will be pretty stagnant.
Bay included.

I'm afraid you're right, so let's hope for an upward trend of BTC soon.

I Disagree. The altcoin ecosystem may become a zero sum game for a while, but there will be winners and loosers within the altcoin space even as Bitcoin looses value.

G.

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January 21, 2015, 03:14:01 PM
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I think until BTC price does not recover all the cryptocurrency world, no matter how innovative or good, will be pretty stagnant.
Bay included.

I'm afraid you're right, so let's hope for an upward trend of BTC soon.

I Disagree. The altcoin ecosystem may become a zero sum game for a while, but there will be winners and loosers within the altcoin space even as Bitcoin looses value.

G.

That remains to be seen. The Internet world is full of example in which is not always the best protocol that leads but tipically is the most used.
Flash is one of the example. I will say Windows itself compared to Linux.
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January 21, 2015, 03:30:35 PM
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we'll stay tuned and will see what happens.
how long should we wait for the hope?
any clue?

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January 21, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
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we'll stay tuned and will see what happens.
how long should we wait for the hope?
any clue?

No crystal ball here mate
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January 21, 2015, 04:40:19 PM
Last edit: January 21, 2015, 04:53:32 PM by Gizfreak
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As I am a member of the Slack team, I know that there is a lot going on behind the scene. Like eg. a new website, QT wallet and an updated smart contracts client.
It's not possible to give an ETA, but if you want to keep updated you should maybe try one of our social media channels.

Twitter:    https://twitter.com/bitbaytalk
FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/bitbaymarket
Google+:  https://plus.google.com/communities/114750118216930193130 or shortened http://goo.gl/cmVsmm
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January 21, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
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Can anyone with windows 8 see if this build of bitbayd works? Steven just sent this to me, wanted to see if this helps windows 8 users.
 http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=06722116669587652715

Update!! that version doens't work on Windows8 we need working versions
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January 21, 2015, 07:44:37 PM
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UPDATE....

This coin is a FAILURE..

David ZImbeck Cant code.

He could not even compile the wallet you guys are using now....

 Grin Grin Grin
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January 21, 2015, 08:02:42 PM
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Bob you make yourself usefull go buy some Rolex for yourself..
Need some BTC i can chip you 0.0001BTC
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January 21, 2015, 08:50:05 PM
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Can anyone with windows 8 see if this build of bitbayd works? Steven just sent this to me, wanted to see if this helps windows 8 users.
 http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=06722116669587652715

Update!! that version doens't work on Windows8 we need working versions
It works for me .Im on windows 8.1

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January 23, 2015, 05:41:39 AM
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UPDATE....

This coin is a FAILURE..

David ZImbeck Cant code.

He could not even compile the wallet you guys are using now....

 Grin Grin Grin
hah,can you give some evidence for what you said.

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January 23, 2015, 09:01:16 AM
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http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/13/NuBits-is-a-Ponzi-Scheme/

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January 23, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
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I have long thought about this exact thing. However regardless of how they are doing it, the technique proposed at BitBay was to do a soft peg, more of a democratic hedge. Although at first, we wanted to do a hard peg inspired off NuBits but when I proposed the rolling peg people preferred the idea in the hopes it would provoke volume and be more interesting for growth. There is no guarantee we will get any buy walls although I dont see why we shouldnt get a reasonable one. MY theory is that a buy wall isnt needed if you have control over deflation. So BitBays peg would be a pure control over deflation rates. Since we wouldnt be paying interest for parking (although its an interesting idea...) then there isnt the need for custodians. However, parking is always possible with locktimes.

The use of custodians goes against what I believe in which is trustless networks. Since our rates are controlled by a vote, its pretty close to trustless although i could see a person buying their preferred interest rate although it would be expensive to do.

In effect, pure control over deflation and inflation rates would not be like NuBits which does have some elements of a ponzi (although he is misusing the term).

Ponzi schemes are classically known as "Rob Peter to pay Paul" and thus, it means that someone would sell shares to a company at an inflated price to pay off old shareholders and if everyone was to call their shares forward they would be forced to shut down.

The term "Ponzi" is misused so much, it reflects on how loose people are with words these days.

So I think the author should be looking for another term. What he is saying is NuBits is not sustainable. Which may or may not be true. I dont like the centralized aspect which is why I'm not interested in a hard peg but a soft rolling hedge. This way, we try to promote growth in the coin by controlling supply to reflect demand.

And this is only the first evolution of a deflationary coin. There will be many ways to expand off of what we are trying to do here.

Perhaps NuBits can sustain itself since the walls always seem to be sufficient to hold the price. As long as the buy wall is good enough, i dont see how it can fail. Although the "custodians" arent obligated at all and thats why i dont want to use them.

On the other hand, there is a great arbitrage opportunity in NuBits and even now with Bitcoin being very bearish, NuBits held its price. I suppose the true test will be in a bull market.
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January 23, 2015, 03:21:12 PM
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Keep up the great work David and the results will come. You're a smart man with demonstrable results ...

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January 23, 2015, 07:35:50 PM
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Can someone provide the latest windows 8 wallet link please  Huh
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January 23, 2015, 07:47:52 PM
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Can someone provide the latest windows 8 wallet link please  Huh
If you are referring to the smart contracts client: https://mega.co.nz/#!hA52lLxK!ZDC6lJ2ibtZsPDJrEswbcFD9k-UPCNg1yqH0wjYVuoA
but keep in mind that it doesn't work for all windows 8 versions (work in progress)

The QT wallet can be downloaded here: https://mega.co.nz/#!EdRwgIIZ!8nz8f2rY-MJiUs48KNsvps0F7L8968FGLbsURPfJPS8, although a new one is on the way.
If you don't trust the links, both are from the OP.
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