[ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official

[jonald_fyookball]

I don't think these so-called "growth accounts" help their already flimsy facade that these koins were just "cryptographic tokens".

[rizzlarolla]

I asked (Sept 1st) "ex CCN journalist cries scam, could be first bitcoin refund?"
(now coin journal I think?)
Yes, it was the first (known) btc refund.

"On Thursday, September 3rd, the Neucoin team refunded my 0.1BTC in this transaction  (address: 1phmMcubFy298wujNFj6hQ1gctUBFovmL). They also said they are still going to honor my purchase. The story remains factual and error-free, thus it will stay here for posterity. Thanks to Sandrine @ Neucoin for attending to the matter for me, months after it first occurred as it were."
https://www.zapchain.com/a/J4cT0u6f4V

Not refunded from the Seychelle's account 3MrNuKs though.
And the journlist can keep his neucoin FREE. Very nice.

Can others unsatisfied customers, not journalists, claim for refunds/free coins?
Can primevalsoup have a refund, and still receive his 1m neucoin free?
Has primevalsoup (or anyone else) been offered/received a refund already?

What is the policy for refunds to unsatisfied customers?
Is there a process to follow, or is it just who shouts loudest/who carries most clout on the internet?

[Kuato]

This is not an “ad hominem” attack whereby I’m arguing that neucoin is a good coin based on the fact that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. I’m just pointing out that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. He probably agrees. Do you agree Gekko that you’re a despicable sociopath?

He posts here all the time. People should know what he is so that they can judge his statements accordingly.

Hilarious, Jonald, that you got all sensitive all of a sudden. Maybe it was that lonely bottle of wine on Saturday night.

Ad hominem attack?  Come on man, you gotta bring it better than that.
Most here are sophisticated enough to see right through that weak tactic.

AD HOMINEM ATTACKS IS ALL YOU TROLLS EVER DO! NONE OF YOU EVER TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF!

But here’s my question… Rizz, Malatesta, Jonald, Tibanne… are you actually defending Gekko? or are you saying he’s irrelevant? Or you think people here just shouldn’t be so harsh as to judge him?

Here are two more essential Gekko quotes below. Go ahead, defend your homeboy.

Gekko painting perfect picture of himself in one sentence. He’s referring to half of humanity.

Women exist to clean my house, cook my dinner and suck my dick, and I employ them as such.

And here is one of his many exchanges with the unobtainium team, his previous compadres and partners:

Communicating simple things like, "it's money that flies across the internet, and this one is valuable because it's rare, like gold" is hard enough without complications and derivatives and having people ask questions about that.  Doing it across cultures is even harder.

It's a lot simpler to get a black coffee than a complicated frozen skinny soy latte moche chocha razzleberry whatever at Starbucks when you're in Beijing.

Simple and elegant is better.  Mac is a bicycle for your mind.  UNO is a solid place to store your crypto.

This message is clear and your point made, and that's fine. We move on with knowledge and experience and tomorrow is a new day.

However, as a member of UNO's core community of supporters here, I'm disappointed and ashamed by your posts on Reddit yesterday, Gekko. Threat of buy sell-wall over Mark's head aside, hurling such names and insults, particularly in the face of a graceful withdrawal, is an utter contradiction to the "streamlined message" and entry-friendly image you purportedly wish to protect and promote. You may not agree with him or even respect him, but you've only ever received polite discourse from the man. At worst, he was merely civil when he sent you the quoted message in March about the Un-Ex not being open to you, and that simply to a dinky experimental trading group, of all things.

After your unexpected outburst in our Reddit discussion in March, I have not since directly engaged with you for anything except your China program last month. We have repeatedly chosen grace and peace over confrontation for the sake of the community's cohesion. However, your persistent belligerence is a strong and corrosive force to UNO's greater reputation as a coin and for us as a community. Such behaviour harms our collaboration in future projects and ultimately damages our common goal of wider adoption. If you truly believe in what you're trying to protect with your efforts on Reddit, such behaviour has no place here.

I am a vicious prick.  Oblivious to your opinion of me.  Things need to get done sometimes.  Being polite to each other constantly gets very little done.

As I just mentioned to someone else in a PM, one of the downsides of a fair launch is no leadership.  Thus it occasionally comes down to Darwinian chest beating, the showing of teeth, and the demonstration of financial dominance to get shit done.

Blazer doesn't want to lead, FK organizes and keeps the peace, I don't want to lead on a full time basis but dammit, when things need to get done, somebody has to actually say it. 

As we are largely composed of drunks, stoners and the occasional developmentally challenged, somebody needs to pick up the ball, throw it, and order the most qualified people to run with it.

I have asked IMZ to run with the ball of getting all the mentions of the private trader club off of reddit, unobtanium.uno and the OP here.  He will communicate with those people capable of making those changes.

This is a half million dollar business gentlemen.  It should be worth a lot more, and it is not currently.
 This can be fixed if everyone picks up a goddamned ball and runs with it sometimes and gives no fucks about any feet that might be trod upon.

This is not a book club or a tea party.  Reach down, count 'em, make sure there are still two, and march towards the next level of success. 

Working well together does not mean hugging each other's nuts.

I may not like you either Craigv.  Who gives a shit?  As long as we both do what is best for the common goal.  80BTC to 1UNO.

So, I would suggest we take a poll, but there's no point because the result would be so obvious.

Is Neucoin's fiercest critic a despicable sociopath? Or is he only, as he says himself “a vicious prick”?

And if you cretin trolls think this post is "off topic", why don't you try talking about the project itself instead of only attacking the people that are actually doing the work to make it happen.

[rizzlarolla]

I don't defend Gekko. Gekko is Gekko.
He pisses me of too with some of his view's. (off topic, I dislike the women attitude strongly, he got no praise or support here. Quite the opposite)
But he does bring information also.
He's here weather we like him or not.
Use your ignore button.

You posted about Gekkos' rudeness while calling Real Malatesta by a very derogatory name.

Looks like double standards to me?


Edit -  he got no praise or support here. Quite the opposite - added 6  Sept

[RealMalatesta]

And if you cretin trolls think this post is "off topic", why don't you try talking about the project itself instead of only attacking the people that are actually doing the work to make it happen.

Well, who's behind the project? Althouse. Questions regarding Althouse were asked - and never answered. Instead, you appear and start attacking people and then whining that the project isn't being discussed? Hilfsschnäbi!

[jonald_fyookball]

This is not an “ad hominem” attack whereby I’m arguing that neucoin is a good coin based on the fact that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. I’m just pointing out that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. He probably agrees. Do you agree Gekko that you’re a despicable sociopath?

But you're doing it in this thread which makes me think it's deflection.

As far as Gekko, I don't think being a mysogonist makes him a sociopath.  I don't share his views on women.  I'm happily married.  But as long you ain't hurtin no one, to each his own. live and let live.

[piebeyb]

just watch and wait is finished with a beta version and really release

[Kuato]

And if you cretin trolls think this post is "off topic", why don't you try talking about the project itself instead of only attacking the people that are actually doing the work to make it happen.

Well, who's behind the project? Althouse. Questions regarding Althouse were asked - and never answered. Instead, you appear and start attacking people and then whining that the project isn't being discussed? Hilfsschnäbi!

Again, Mala, you're asking "who" rather than discussing "what" the project is about. It's truly amazing, given the time investment you've made to trashing this project, but I really question whether any of you have actually read Neucoin's strategic plan (or white paper).

Don't you guys get how IRONIC it is that you keep talking about WHO, only making ad hominem attacks -- when YOU are all ANONYMOUS!

The Neucoin team, meanwhile, ALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

And here's another obvious difference between you and them. The Neucoin team clearly worked their asses off writing that strategic plan and white paper. I'm hoping/praying that their tech team have been working their asses off on the actual product -- we will all find out what we think about that soon enough (though I myself think the beta looks promising). Anybody bitching that their tech team "sucks" or is a "failure" because they're launching in September rather than July has no experience in the real world. If the tech works, I have high confidence that this team, with all their connections, is going to be able to market the hell out of this coin.

So THEY work, while YOU Mala, Rizz, Spam, Jonald, Tibanne, Gekko don't do anything productive with your time.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you all have important jobs. Or families. Or friends. Maybe. Care to list your linkedin profiles?

I didn't think so.

[jonald_fyookball]

I actually did read the white paper.  That's what turned me into a nokoin "fan".  There was no technical innovation or solving of the NaS problem which was claimed in the marketing.  Just jargon and hand waving.  For me, that made it a scam.  But all that was covered earlier in the thread.

[Kuato]

This is not an “ad hominem” attack whereby I’m arguing that neucoin is a good coin based on the fact that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. I’m just pointing out that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. He probably agrees. Do you agree Gekko that you’re a despicable sociopath?

But you're doing it in this thread which makes me think it's deflection.

As far as Gekko, I don't think being a mysogonist makes him a sociopath.  I don't share his views on women.  I'm happily married.  But as long you ain't hurtin no one, to each his own. live and let live.

Did you read Gekko's own statement?

He said, "I am a vicious prick."

Can we agree that he is a vicious prick?

Can we agree that he is a vicious prick attacking a project based on ad hominem attacks against the people behind it? When Gekko or any of you trolls act like assholes making personal attacks, it makes people who invested in the presale angry. Of course we want to attack you personally back. so especially after a beer I for one stoop to your level and start hurling insults at anonymous trolls, which is embarrassing.

All your attacks are based on idea that Dan K and Sandrine and other insiders, maybe even their list of hyper successful angels, are all hell bent on tricking and stealing. (is that what you would do in their shoes?)

What if they don't sell more than the 2% per month of their holdings that they are allowed to sell?

Why can't you guys even accept that this is a possibility?

Does it ever occur to you that you should wait before judging?

Wait to see if the tech is released and works as promised. Wait to see if they can pull off their marketing plans. Wait to see if the insiders hold onto most of their Neucoins which they are obligated to do.

[RealMalatesta]

The Neucoin team, meanwhile, ALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.


So THEY work, while YOU Mala, Rizz, Spam, Jonald, Tibanne, Gekko don't do anything productive with your time.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you all have important jobs. Or families. Or friends. Maybe. Care to list your linkedin profiles?

I didn't think so.

Oh, I'm so sorry I made you cry... But obviously, you are not able to understand how business works in those days. The way you are arguing against ANY due diligence basically shows that you rather support scammers than legit businesses.

It IS - from a legal point - relevant WHICH companies are behind a project. Especially, when the public is asked for investments.

You want to see my LinkedIn-profile? Well, first of all: Where's yours? Second: The case of Sandrine perfectly shows how irrelevant those profiles are for she left out the single one relecvant company regarding NeuCoin: Althouse.

And it is just patethic when you judge someone - Gekko - by what he wrote instead of what he did....

[jonald_fyookball]

When Gekko or any of you trolls act like assholes making personal attacks, it makes people who invested in the presale angry. Of course we want to attack you personally back. 

Why?

Why do you care?

Are you buddies with Dan?  Why do you care if we attack him?

Why do you even care if we attack neucoin?

If this project was EVER going to be a success, surely it can handle 5 or 6 "trolls"... right?

[scam confirmed]

Unlike trustless decentralized cryptocurrency ecosystems NoKoin is

centrally planned, centrally premined, centrally issued and distributed, centrally pooled, centrally developed and advertised, centrally secured, etc....

NoKoin is completely built on trust, its network is entirely controlled by only two central entities

https://i.imgur.com/jvo1jBw.jpg

aka four people (including mysterious Jonathan Gnassia from mysterious Althouse Development) representing the interests of a strategy made by a man who has a shady track record of ripping people off.

Foundations and council members:


NEUCOIN CODE FOUNDATION

Jonathan Yves Jean Gnassia

Mael Benjamin Nison

Sylvain Kauphy Roger Laurent


NEUCOIN GROWTH FOUNDATION

Sandrine Jacqueline Ayral

Mael Benjamin Nison

Ludovic Pierre Pouvreau


NEUCOIN UTILITY FOUNDATION

Jonathan Yves Jean Gnassia

Sylvain Kauphy Roger Laurent

Ludovic Pierre Pouvreau



https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ded/companies/companiesReg/Foundations/foundationsactregister.pdf

What makes more sense than to question the people behind this deeply centralized project and the apparent obvious intentions and motives presented by them?

[Kuato]

I just realized something important.

All troll attacks are based on the hypothesis that the Neucoin insiders and/or angels are NOT going to abide by the sales restrictions on their Neucoins.

Is that true trolls?

If the Neucoin insiders and angels only sell 2% of their Neucoins per month as is their obligation, would you still call them thieves, fraudsters, scammers, whatever?

I think most presale buyers believed that these people who have reputations would not lie/trick/steal their way around their sales restrictions.

You trolls don't believe it.

I really hope that Neucoin has some way of proving that they can enforce these sales restrictions. If they can, you trolls are going to have to come up with an entirely new angle. You're going to have to attack the project itself.

[rizzlarolla]

Kauto, Gekko s' been done. I thought you wanted to talk neucoin? If you wanted to start a crusade against offensive language, maybe you shouldn't have used it yourself. you should have thought that through?

Kauto, you say
"I myself think the beta looks promising"

Funny, thats all James has to say on the beta test to date, after months of excitement.

James,
"the beta version is promising."

I expected more lavish praise from James. And the mods.
Not a peep from Dart, 7 days AWOL.
(don't think Baby has access to the test, he didn't buy presale)
M3ndi3 left her mod role. (one of neucoin's best assets)
Whateveryousayman never posts.

M3ndi3 left due to lack of clear explanations. (I think)
Is Dart gone too?
I think he is upset?
I think he maybe upset because of the FAILING'S OF THE TEAM to avoid the type of situation highlighted below?

Sandrine said, April 22,
"Hi @primevalsoup! First, let me apologize for not having answered right away to your message posted three days ago. It is indeed true that I haven't been as responsive as I used to be, and I'll be sure to get back to faster response time. Please be sure it's not laziness on my part (or the rest of the team, who's concentrating on the presale and the July launch) or dismissal of important questions. Anyways, three days to get an answer to your very relevant questions is indeed a long time, I'm sorry for this."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/questions-about-escrow/539/7

But the responses never did get better. Over 4 months of promise, silence, apologize, repeat.

Newbie asks, May 15, (in this now defunkt(?) ,igonred topic about distribution to other crypto holders)
".....you are going to suggest that as a investor that i wouldn't have ANY type of say? What happened to Decentralization and customer service! "
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/a-fraction-3-5-of-neucoin-s-3-billion-coin-premine-would-be-distributed-to-existing-holders-of-select-digital-currencies/583/6

Dart says, in reply
"Often investors don't get a say unless they own at least 1% Did you buy 1 million coins?"

primevalsoup did buy 1m neucoin
primevalsoup was promised updates.
primevalsoup now banned.

If you scroll down to primevalsoup s' 1st posts,(link) then skim your way back up from there,  I think you will see he is a polite, seemingly ideal investor, ignored, promised to, ignored ect until he finally determines that such a badly run outfit is likely a scam as his worries could have been so easily addressed, but were not, consistently, over maybe 6 months.
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/primevalsoup/activity

The team, so badly run they end up banning their best public investor. (others previously)

Kuato, do you agree the teams' professional failings in basic customer care led to this ban by pushing primevalsoup s' patience to his limit?
Do you think this ban was really unforeseeable to a professional team? (even though I was posting about how primevalsoup was getting upset about Baby mod answering his questions back on June 20. And his troubles before that. And his troubles since.)


Ok kuato, you ask
"What if they don't sell more than the 2% per month of their holdings that they are allowed to sell? Why can't you guys even accept that this is a possibility?"

I CAN accept that possibility, but where are the details of how it will be structured. details, promised. they must surely exist somewhere, why not publish. Then the facts would be known. no more doubt.

Ditto on all the other neucoin promised details. We can see that a lack of info is good for nobody.

[Kuato]

Rizz, I am glad that you can accept the possibility that the Neucoin team will in fact honor their 2%/month sales restrictions. You may be doubtful of it while I am highly confident of it, but that's a very reasonable difference of opinion.

I am curious if other critics also accept the *possibility* that the Neucoin team are not scammers/frauds/cheats. What do you say Scam Confirmed, Jonald, Real Malatesta, Tibanne?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO1kKemcwYk 
go to :50
 

Also, I have to say that this was a good critical post. I agree that the communication from Neucoin since the presale has been mediocre, but I guess I don't find this to be a very important indicator of future success. I assume they have been swamped getting the product out the door. Obviously it took them longer than they expected.

I don't think anyone will care about the delays or mediocre communication from presale to launch if they deliver a good service, and more than that, they successfully market it.

Listen, if they deliver a bad product and follow up with bad marketing, the coin will fail. People will trash it here as they should and I won't defend it (I will have sold and will never come back to this thread).

[jonald_fyookball]

I just realized something important.

All troll attacks are based on the hypothesis that the Neucoin insiders and/or angels are NOT going to abide by the sales restrictions on their Neucoins.

Is that true trolls?
 

Not exactly.  There's been a laundry list of concerns, all contained in the thread.  Maybe Rizz can post a summary.

[rizzlarolla]

Rizz, I am glad that you can accept the possibility that the Neucoin team will in fact honor their 2%/month sales restrictions. You may be doubtful of it while I am highly confident of it, but that's a very reasonable difference of opinion.

I am curious if other critics also accept the *possibility* that the Neucoin team are not scammers/frauds/cheats. What do you say Scam Confirmed, Jonald, Real Malatesta, Tibanne?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO1kKemcwYk  
go to :50
 

Also, I have to say that this was a good critical post. I agree that the communication from Neucoin since the presale has been mediocre, but I guess I don't find this to be a very important indicator of future success. I assume they have been swamped getting the product out the door. Obviously it took them longer than they expected.

I don't think anyone will care about the delays or mediocre communication from presale to launch if they deliver a good service, and more than that, they successfully market it.

Listen, if they deliver a bad product and follow up with bad marketing, the coin will fail. People will trash it here as they should and I won't defend it (I will have sold and will never come back to this thread).

Kuato
"Rizz, I am glad that you can accept the possibility that the Neucoin team will in fact honor their 2%/month sales restrictions. You may be doubtful of it while I am highly confident of it, but that's a very reasonable difference of opinion."

Good, as you said just earlier, "I really hope that Neucoin has some way of proving that they can enforce these sales restrictions." That's the whole point. WHY NOT TELL US.
It has been promised. (along with all the other info I highlight)

"I am curious if other critics also accept the *possibility* that the Neucoin team are not scammers/frauds/cheats"

I never said they weren't scammers. I would listen to substance about why they are not, but all awkward questions pretty much go unexplained, doesn't help. Any explanations about anything are only released in untimely, unprofessional, knee jerk responses. I highlight the failings of the superstar team, of which there appear to be many. That is where my worries start, regardless the big scam accusations.

I cant be bothered with the link at the moment, sorry.

" I agree that the communication from Neucoin since the presale has been mediocre, but I guess I don't find this to be a very important indicator of future success."

ok thats your opinion, but I am opposite. It's been worse than mediocre, primevalsoup would not be banned if it were that good imo.
And everything else I have written of. If you have read a lot of my posts you would know there have been many incidences, very unprofessional.
To me it is sold on this angle.

" I assume they have been swamped getting the product out the door."

I thought Sandrines role was to interface with the investors/PR.

"I don't think anyone will care about the delays or mediocre communication from presale to launch if they deliver a good service, and more than that, they successfully market it."

ok, can they market it? They cannot communicate or run a forum. I will care if there is underhand activities going on. primevalsoup might care.

"Listen, if they deliver a bad product and follow up with bad marketing, the coin will fail. People will trash it here as they should and I won't defend it (I will have sold and will never come back to this thread)."

But if it is as bad as it looks from here, people should have the opportunity to read about it, DD. I've seen almost nothing except bad marketing so far. You will have gone, sold out to some other poor sod?



Yeah Jonald, I may summarize at some point, (busy here now, eh) but it's all here on the thread if anyone was really interested in learning all the different concerns, and why they have come about. DD.

[LiQio]

[...]
I am curious if other critics also accept the *possibility* that the Neucoin team are not scammers/frauds/cheats.
[...]

It's even possible that Sandrine is a pseudonym of Donald Trump - the probability is just extremly small.

The best we can do here is judge based on known and observable facts:
- Neucon pump marketing: Storming many forums, posting only happy events, buttering up the project by promising easy free coins
- Bold claims without backup: Whitepaper, marketing, deadlines
- Not answering displeasing questions in general
- Not answering technical questions or strategical questions with a certain depth
- Engaging an army of sockpuppets
- Banning unpleasent users and calling critics trolls

That's my current perception of Neucon and team and it's gonna take a lot of work to change that.

PS: I don't know if they are scammers, but the behavior makes me believe that the possibility of them being is way more likely than not. Maybe it's all just way over their heads and they don't have the balls to admit it. Who knows for sure, but in the meantime I would highly advise everybody to stay away from Paycon.

[rizzlarolla]

Kuato, I would like to expand, give a short account of why I'm worried.

"Rizz, I am glad that you can accept the possibility that the Neucoin team will in fact honor their 2%/month sales restrictions. You may be doubtful of it while I am highly confident of it, but that's a very reasonable difference of opinion."

I can except that possibility, quite easily.
If a structured, verifiable system was in place, I would be "happy" with that.
But there are other financial concerns that need clarifying, also.

There are other ways neucoin tokens can be gained by the "team". (Term used loosely) Other ways the system COULD be open to abuse.
Freemium distribution to businesses.
Freemium distribution to the masses.
We know these rewards will be given to "team" and others in varying proportion. (I believe that is accepted fact?)
But we know not how many. This could be a hard figure to exact, but some calculated estimates is surely critical and proper?
(this is a business for the masses, not some garage basement throw together?)
How many coins is jango LIKELY to receive for example?
How can these rewards be verified?
How can rewards in general be verified?
If it takes 2bn neucoin to get jango running, is that ok?

It's too vague without figures.
How much do the team really stand to make? We don't know.
Even if I DID trust them, This should all be verifiable? Just to be sure, everyone can chill. (on that subject)


I can think of other ways the team could get coins, undeclared, but let's stick to these obvious ones first. (If clear details existed, maybe my other possibilities wouldn't exist?)

Launch was "delayed", good. Because none of these details had been provided then, or yet, as promised. Launch was abandoned 2 days before possible go live, where was this info then? (and all the rest)
If neucoin is not built on blind faith, which has been denied, why are these details not forth coming. As promised? Will it all come in one mad untimely scramble "at" launch? Bit crap that.
Launch was planned for months ago, originally. Fair enough some tech problems, but info on the whole structure of neucoin can't still being written? With neucoin it's always coming, later, get back to you, hope this helps.


Other financial facts really need addressing, the $2.25m cash claim. never addressed by neucoin even after edit by coin telegraph.
ect. ect.

Loads of other important stuff to be announced, or is being asked.

One step at a time.
soon?