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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3916910 times)
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September 04, 2013, 06:08:12 PM
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hey,guys,divident prediction time!

0.01404192  confirm
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September 04, 2013, 06:15:55 PM
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Today I thought of something - Friedcat said, that reason for not revealing internal hashrate meter is poor network connection (and risk of DDoS and so on). What if asicminer created new user, controlled by bot, which would post actual hashrate (or average) every few hours, let's say 6.
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September 04, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
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which would post actual hashrate (or average) every few hours, let's say 6.

People will start to panic if we have bad luck

You can track the hashrate with the block origin

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September 04, 2013, 06:23:39 PM
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which would post actual hashrate (or average) every few hours, let's say 6.

People will start to panic if we have bad luck

You can track the hashrate with the block origin

internal hashrate isn't vulnerable to luck. On the other hand - derivative hashrate calculated from blocks IS.
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September 04, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
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which would post actual hashrate (or average) every few hours, let's say 6.

People will start to panic if we have bad luck

You can track the hashrate with the block origin

I think the right question to ask is: will this activity increase profits for ASICMINER?

If the answer is no, then it should be way down on the list of prioritized tasks...
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September 04, 2013, 06:53:06 PM
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really nice dividend, thanks friendcat!
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September 04, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
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How about we all buy a few shares now?  Wink

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September 04, 2013, 10:01:22 PM
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I do not expect the stock price to go up significantly on average dividends like this. There is a number of reasons for that, mainly these are:
1) People overweigh bad to good news approximately 10:1.
2) People are risk and loss averse
3) average to slightly good dividends are expected of friedcat / asicminer at this time, so these are already "priced in" the current stock price.

Still, I would highly appreciate a considerable move upwards  Cool
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September 04, 2013, 10:20:15 PM
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So is this 3 weeks in a row now that significant hardware revenue was withheld from dividends? And if so, how does that square with the fact that 200 TH was supposedly already paid for (months ago) and waiting deployment?

Just wondering. Maybe these are to cover NRE costs.
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September 04, 2013, 10:32:00 PM
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game over.
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September 04, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
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Resistance at 2.4 just vaporized.

How low can we go???

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September 04, 2013, 10:39:12 PM
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Resistance at 2.4 just vaporized.

How low can we go???

the only thing I really hate is that this guy is earning money with this.
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September 04, 2013, 10:42:31 PM
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Resistance at 2.4 just vaporized.

How low can we go???

the only thing I really hate is that this guy is earning money with this.

Forget about it.  He's enjoying his day in the sun.

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September 04, 2013, 11:01:08 PM
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Resistance at 2.4 just vaporized.

How low can we go???

the only thing I really hate is that this guy is earning money with this.

Yeah, that guy that tried to warn you, *tchoh*.

 
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September 04, 2013, 11:28:36 PM
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Resistance at 2.4 just vaporized.

How low can we go???

Vycid, post that stuff in the speculation thread, that's why there is one.
you really come across as a daytrader with a short attention span,
it's needless to constantly rumble through here telling us how AM is going to hell.
i don't care what's the shareprice right now, i wait at least until 2nd gen release before I think about selling because nothing else makes sense at this point.

so you're shortterm trading?
fine, but spread your shortsighted "analysis" and predictions where they belong, because you have no information whatsoever what happens mid- to longterm.


can't we just enjoy our divs for a minute???

happy frieday everybody!


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September 04, 2013, 11:32:01 PM
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Resistance at 2.4 just vaporized.

How low can we go???

Vycid, post that stuff in the speculation thread, that's why there is one.
you really come across as a daytrader with a short attention span,
it's needless to constantly rumble through here telling us how AM is going to hell.
i don't care what's the shareprice right now, i wait at least until 2nd gen release before I think about selling because nothing else makes sense at this point.

so you're shortterm trading?
fine, but spread your shortsighted "analysis" and predictions where they belong, because you have no information whatsoever what happens mid- to longterm.


can't we just enjoy our divs for a minute???

happy frieday everybody!



Happy Friedday Smiley

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September 05, 2013, 12:12:53 AM
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Resistance at 2.4 just vaporized.

How low can we go???

Vycid, post that stuff in the speculation thread, that's why there is one.
you really come across as a daytrader with a short attention span,
it's needless to constantly rumble through here telling us how AM is going to hell.
i don't care what's the shareprice right now, i wait at least until 2nd gen release before I think about selling because nothing else makes sense at this point.

so you're shortterm trading?
fine, but spread your shortsighted "analysis" and predictions where they belong, because you have no information whatsoever what happens mid- to longterm.


can't we just enjoy our divs for a minute???

happy frieday everybody!



Uh, I actually am not a technical trader, and I have never played a short-term movement on AM. I don't know how many times I have to say it: my issue with AM is with its fundamentals, not its share price momentum. I was bearish long before AM started going down (that's how I own options - people were willing to sell them to me).

But none of this changes the fact that the previous strong support at 2.4 evaporated in all of 5 minutes. I may be a fundamental investor but I'm not blind. (You are right, however - it did belong in the speculation thread.)

And happy friedday  Smiley those dividends were quite strong.

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September 05, 2013, 01:46:20 AM
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Uh, I actually am not a technical trader, and I have never played a short-term movement on AM. I don't know how many times I have to say it: my issue with AM is with its fundamentals, not its share price momentum. I was bearish long before AM started going down (that's how I own options - people were willing to sell them to me).

But none of this changes the fact that the previous strong support at 2.4 evaporated in all of 5 minutes. I may be a fundamental investor but I'm not blind. (You are right, however - it did belong in the speculation thread.)

And happy friedday  Smiley those dividends were quite strong.

There is a speculation thread for all these posts, give that one a go - you'll get a better response/conversation going. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.0)

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September 05, 2013, 03:15:43 AM
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Uh, I actually am not a technical trader, and I have never played a short-term movement on AM. I don't know how many times I have to say it: my issue with AM is with its fundamentals, not its share price momentum. I was bearish long before AM started going down (that's how I own options - people were willing to sell them to me).

But none of this changes the fact that the previous strong support at 2.4 evaporated in all of 5 minutes. I may be a fundamental investor but I'm not blind. (You are right, however - it did belong in the speculation thread.)

And happy friedday  Smiley those dividends were quite strong.

i haven't read your posts recently, but i don't know what's the problem with the fundamentals?

my 2 satoshis to situation right now:
btc value goes up, share value corrects down
on top divs go low -> weak shareholders nervously sell and invest in other companies.
competition mining and hardware-wise is growing, lot of new ipos right now making promises until asics are delievered and running.
and finally demand for 2nd gen hardware is knocking at the doors.

AM stands in between this mayhem as a half mining half hardware selling company.
Friedcat has done quite good until now and has lot of experience in both sectors.
because he doesn't take preorders he's not forced to throw out much information about next generation plans like all the others that make their profit with the naive faith of their consumers  
(BFL really took the cake with the action to change long overdue orders to that monarch card and wait again for some months - Do people even realize that AM is the only company that doesn't require these risky interest-free loans in advance Huh).

Mining market in the longterm will probably split into some big mining companies with expensive setups and high energy consumption and on the other side we'll see the mining sector for "consumers" that needs cheap, small and user-friendly plug&play asics for their homes. (block erupters are a good example for this)
that consumer-market is where AsicMiner has the best reputation until now and if we see more adaption of btc this sector will keep on booming.

it feels to me like the beginning of digital era all over again apart from the mining game (Intel, IBM, AMD, DELL, Apple etc.). two or three main chip manufacturers, a lot of companies bulding asics and selling them (some going high-end, some endconsumer) and a few monopolistic mining companies that are equally balanced with endconsumer mining (at least i hope so).

i have no clue which companies from today will still exist in 2 or 3 years but imo AM still has a more than average chance to pull it off when i look at the chaotic market we have today.


of course all of this is pure speculation, so feel free to correct me if i went over the top or misinterpreted some aspects. Tongue


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September 05, 2013, 03:55:53 AM
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why everybody is jumping into bitcoin ASIC. If cointerra team is the best, they should invent litecoin ASIC and become AM of litecoin.

Litecoin ASICs are much less lucrative for technical reasons (Scrypt is memory-hard)

No reason you couldn't make an ASIC with embedded RAM.  If you made a CPU-style design with enough embedded ram to run litecoin at full speed, a chip like that would probably have lots of other practical uses.

Then by definition it wouldn't be an ASIC  Smiley

It's not that such a chip is impossible, it's that such a chip does not offer a great enough advantage over GPUs to encourage the kind of aggressive exploitation we're seeing with Bitcoin ASICs. No doubt they will emerge if Litecoin ever achieves Bitcoin's market size, but their appearance will not be accompanied by the same kind of 'gold rush' mentality. It will be an incremental step, offering primarily power efficiency over GPUs (since graphics cards enjoy an economy of scale Litecoin miners will likely never match) - I'd highlight FPGA vs GPU for Bitcoin as a good analogy.

Right they wouldn't be "ASICS" but they would be  CPUs hyper-optimziedfor Scrypt.  They would be more efficient per die size because they wouldn't need any of the floating point operations.  (Actually, someone could make a hashing algorithm optimized for FP functions.  That would be kind of cool)

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