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September 14, 2013, 07:27:45 PM |
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I agree. I'm down money on AM but I buy more when I can. There will be a leader that emerges from bitcoin miners. When bitcoin breaks the dollar's back what will happen to leveraged multinational corporations? Bitcoin will be the financial and consolidation center of the world. That's my gamble with AM. As long as things are on schedule I vote for friedcat to focus on the business.
Even I get sick of looking too often at prices. The other players and BFL and Avalon made things look easy but they weren't easy. Just look at Coinlab.
You understand that ASICMiner could emerge as the clear leader in Bitcoin mining, and 2BTC/share could STILL be an unfair price, right? The total number of bitcoins available each year from block rewards is currently 1.36M. That will halve in 3 years and every 4 years after that. Mature companies rarely have profit margins above 20% and it is unlikely that AM will do better than 20-30% of the total hashrate, even if they emerge as a leader. You are completely discounting the competition otherwise. So, do the math. Or look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg3134886#msg3134886Ask yourself this - for a company that went up 5000% from the IPO, would you consider a fair value overshoot of a couple hundred percent unreasonable? (Don't forget that USD/BTC is up 10x from the IPO too). I'm sorry if you lost money, but if you do not base your stock trades on facts, math and logic, you are a gambler, not an investor. |
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September 14, 2013, 07:31:01 PM |
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interesting.
October 7, releasing of "newer products"? what does that mean?
I certainly hope it doesn't mean FC is giving out inside info via PM instead of taking the time to make a public update. I suspect this PM was manufactured - I have more faith in FC than that. |
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September 14, 2013, 07:32:46 PM |
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interesting.
October 7, releasing of "newer products"? what does that mean?
Indeed, interesting! Anybody sees something known to which it could relate? If not, it is entirely new info, which is supeeeer positive (and weird that it leaks from a reseller first)... |
Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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September 14, 2013, 07:33:59 PM |
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I suspect this PM was manufactured - I have more faith in FC than that.
Do you mean FC leaked something on purpose, or do you mean it's manufactured by somebody and just a fake? |
Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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September 14, 2013, 07:34:01 PM |
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interesting.
October 7, releasing of "newer products"? what does that mean?
could be underclocked two-chip USB miner |
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September 14, 2013, 07:35:54 PM |
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I suspect this PM was manufactured - I have more faith in FC than that.
Do you mean FC leaked something on purpose, or do you mean it's manufactured by somebody and just a fake? I mean I prefer to think it's fake than imagine FC is handing out inside info. He's been very professional in the past. |
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September 14, 2013, 07:41:54 PM |
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I suspect this PM was manufactured - I have more faith in FC than that.
Do you mean FC leaked something on purpose, or do you mean it's manufactured by somebody and just a fake? I mean I prefer to think it's fake than imagine FC is handing out inside info. He's been very professional in the past. I do think he lets resellers know what is coming down the pipes on hardware stocking. If it is real, then he's saying they will have new stock in 2 days for the blades, which is really not handing out inside info as much as preparing the resellers for the new stock. |
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September 14, 2013, 07:45:30 PM |
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I suspect this PM was manufactured - I have more faith in FC than that.
Do you mean FC leaked something on purpose, or do you mean it's manufactured by somebody and just a fake? I mean I prefer to think it's fake than imagine FC is handing out inside info. He's been very professional in the past. I do think he lets resellers know what is coming down the pipes on hardware stocking. If it is real, then he's saying they will have new stock in 2 days for the blades, which is really not handing out inside info as much as preparing the resellers for the new stock. This guy is a reseller? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282910.msg3151881#msg3151881 |
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September 14, 2013, 07:48:55 PM |
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I have no idea who he is. But, what I was saying is that telling someone that blades will be in stock in 2 days via PM doesn't sound like insider information to me. |
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September 14, 2013, 07:50:31 PM |
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this probably should go in the Speculation thread, but if this is true, then it lines up with him buying a bunch of advertising and not responding to people until they knew blades would be restocked.
I'll wait until I hear a confirmation, but it is interesting, nonetheless.
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September 14, 2013, 08:00:50 PM |
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this probably should go in the Speculation thread, but if this is true, then it lines up with him buying a bunch of advertising and not responding to people until they knew blades would be restocked.
I'll wait until I hear a confirmation, but it is interesting, nonetheless.
That Oct 7 reference is very clearly inside information, if true. Why he would make this useless post today https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294030.msg3151018#msg3151018and then only reveal his plans to a forum no-name is beyond me. I am sure some people will rush to BTCT to trade on this information, then lose their money when it turns out that FC isn't incompetent. |
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September 14, 2013, 08:07:57 PM |
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posting a product user guide is useless information? regardless, we'll wait and see if there will be any confirmation of that PM. I agree that it is wise to be skeptical on information like that, until we hear it from FC himself. |
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September 14, 2013, 08:09:13 PM |
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posting a product user guide is useless information? regardless, we'll wait and see if there will be any confirmation of that PM. I agree that it is wise to be skeptical on information like that, until we hear it from FC himself. The link is broken, so unless you have super-vision it's pretty useless. And yes - skepticism is always healthy. But some like to gamble... 21:00 (B) 2 @ 2.12800000 ASICMINER-PT 21:00 (B) 5 @ 2.12500000 ASICMINER-PT 21:00 (B) 10 @ 2.12000000 ASICMINER-PT 21:00 (B) 5 @ 2.11500000 ASICMINER-PT 21:00 (B) 5 @ 2.11000000 ASICMINER-PT 21:00 (B) 1 @ 2.10900000 ASICMINER-PT 21:00 (B) 1 @ 2.10800000 ASICMINER-PT 20:46 (B) 1 @ 2.10600000 ASICMINER-PT 20:46 (B) 2 @ 2.10500000 ASICMINER-PT |
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September 14, 2013, 08:10:28 PM |
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And yes - skepticism is always healthy. But some like to gamble...
that's nothing, look at people buying Labcon right now... |
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September 14, 2013, 08:17:53 PM |
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And yes - skepticism is always healthy. But some like to gamble...
21:00 (B) 2 @ 2.12800000 ASICMINER-PT
21:00 (B) 5 @ 2.12500000 ASICMINER-PT
21:00 (B) 10 @ 2.12000000 ASICMINER-PT
21:00 (B) 5 @ 2.11500000 ASICMINER-PT
21:00 (B) 5 @ 2.11000000 ASICMINER-PT
21:00 (B) 1 @ 2.10900000 ASICMINER-PT
21:00 (B) 1 @ 2.10800000 ASICMINER-PT
20:46 (B) 1 @ 2.10600000 ASICMINER-PT
20:46 (B) 2 @ 2.10500000 ASICMINER-PT
truth be told, we only got to this price today because someone dropped 176+ shares this morning. The price had a lot of support around 2.2 That dump timed perfectly with the long post a few pages back where someone was asking for more transparency. |
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September 14, 2013, 10:17:39 PM |
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Vycid, I think in the best case scenario for bitcoin, there will come a time when the dollar, like many currencies, will have hyperinflation at the same time bitcoin goes up.
I don't think many debt leveraged corporations will have the time to adjust to bitcoin with the way banks and businesses operate. Like Nokia, they'll probably be too big and structured with permanent debt. Regulations, pensions, R&D, all their ways of doing things the fiat way. So, I don't know what they're gonna do. So many industries will need to go bankrupt to reorganize.
Because new businesses will have be structured around new labor and capital, meaning bitcoin. That gives the power to the largest bitcoin balances like Satoshi's. Next will be the organizations like AM that has a growing bitcoin reserve, similar to central bank reserves. Then AM has a role much bigger than what it seems right now. New rules for borrowing and for investing means AM can choose on its terms, any portfolio of businesses. So AM can become a conglomerate of a consumer electronic company or a credit card company or even an aerospace company.
AM is more like a pod of peas, than an individual kernel. Just balancing out the big picture with your thinking for details.
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September 14, 2013, 10:46:42 PM |
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Next will be the organizations like AM that has a growing bitcoin reserve, similar to central bank reserves. New rules for borrowing and for investing means AM can choose on its terms I see we are in bitcoin for different reasons  |
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September 14, 2013, 11:03:29 PM
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Considering ASICminers overall success its surprising to see so many "experts" telling them how they should run their business. There's no lack of demand for shares so all this talk of "should have..." and "should do..." can just GTFO, they came here from nothing and kept their promises and that's worth far more than pro beancounting and paperwork.
I don't see anyone telling friedcat how to run things. Shareholders, also known as owners, have every right to ask for more information. If you can't handle that, then you can GTFO. Edit: Not ownwers, I stand corrected. |
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September 14, 2013, 11:15:04 PM |
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I don't see anyone telling friedcat how to run things. Shareholders, also known as owners, have every right to ask for more information. If you can't handle that, then you can GTFO.
each ASICMINER share always equals to 1/400,000 of the total profits and voting power of the summed value from both ASICMINER and Bitfountain.
Not owners. |
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September 14, 2013, 11:21:04 PM |
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I don't see anyone telling friedcat how to run things. Shareholders, also known as owners, have every right to ask for more information. If you can't handle that, then you can GTFO.
each ASICMINER share always equals to 1/400,000 of the total profits and voting power of the summed value from both ASICMINER and Bitfountain.
Not owners. regardless, shareholders can ask for more information, there's nothing wrong with that. And they tend to ask for information when things are not going great, so it's understandable that hey want to know what is going on. FC is not obligate to answer, of course, but it would be nice if he did. |
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