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OK, so who's sold their shares?  Could you explain your rationale? (seriously interested!) I honestly did not believe that Wall was going to be breached given we are 3-4 weeks away from mass sales and the accompanying dividends we all crave so dearly. Someone could have several 1000 shares and just wanted to free up some short term capital. It could also be that they have an even shorter term opportunity to double that BTC and re-buy into AM before launch, which is quite a potential risk. Or someone just needed some good old fiat currency and forces have pushed them into this decision. The lower it goes the better for late comers, market will only sustain this share price for a short time going forward. Yeah, that's what I'd guess as well. It hurts as someone holding through all of these months, though. And it isn't exactly a good feeling  Shorting alone on that scale with these days' volume seems difficult, too. |
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May 05, 2014, 10:42:07 PM |
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OK, so who's sold their shares? Could you explain your rationale? (seriously interested!) I honestly did not believe that Wall was going to be breached given we are 3-4 weeks away from mass sales and the accompanying dividends we all crave so dearly. Someone could have several 1000 shares and just wanted to free up some short term capital. It could also be that they have an even shorter term opportunity to double that BTC and re-buy into AM before launch, which is quite a potential risk. Or someone just needed some good old fiat currency and forces have pushed them into this decision. The lower it goes the better for late comers, market will only sustain this share price for a short time going forward. Yeah, that's what I'd guess as well. It hurts as someone holding through all of these months, though. And it isn't exactly a good feeling Shorting alone on that scale with these days' volume seems difficult, too. or someone is buying/selling into their own walls hoping others follow? |
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May 05, 2014, 10:42:26 PM |
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gave me an oppurtunity to convert some fractionals to full |
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May 05, 2014, 10:45:35 PM |
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May 05, 2014, 10:46:40 PM |
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OPEX would be about 20-30% cheaper for me What exactly are you comparing? I'm in a densely populated, high electric cost area. The tanks would look much better if I lived, say, in Washington state. If you are in a densely populated area 6 tanks with 1.2MW total would take a lot less space than dozens of racks? And in a place like Washington with $0.02/kWh cooling would be relatively small, no matter you pay a lot or a little? Sorry, looks like I fat fingered the calculation - redone it and it shows the OPEX in a DC to be about 2.25x that of the tank!  But that includes rent and 24/7 security, which is not included in the OPEX of the tank (and I have no idea how much it would be for good 24/7 security). Electricity here is ten times the cost of a place like Washington state but the rent is only about double (by the looks of it). Depending how big your racks are, the rent might not play too big a role or even be cheaper here (you can stack more than with containers/tanks). Containers look like the 40ft type. Also, it is probably easier and faster to deploy 55 racks in a DC (already setup, not owned, because of the 2-3x reduction in electricity costs) than a tank here, and that's also to consider for bitcoin. Of course, after you have your massive electricity installation deployed, it's another story. (you can't get that much power everywhere and it costs a good amount of money to install the necessary transformers and a few months before actual deployment) So, meh. For now. |
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May 05, 2014, 11:15:15 PM |
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Friedcat is not really known for not meeting deadlines. The dates we had so far have only been projections and estimates. |
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May 06, 2014, 02:00:36 AM |
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That seems to be a big radiator for just a few chips. Well, that setup consumes at least 140W, some people claim even more. That's 1.5 good old lightbulbs you need to cool. Radiators don't account for that much of the price, so why settle for less, especially in first iterations of the miner? The cooler the better. edit: I was wrong. This is the 4 chip solution. So at least 24W, but the fan size really is just a normal case fan. The gridseed miners look a lot like this. 4 chips only? Hardly seems worth the trouble of wiring it all up and having that much space taken up. Who are these aimed at? N00bs? |
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May 06, 2014, 03:53:36 AM |
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That seems to be a big radiator for just a few chips. Well, that setup consumes at least 140W, some people claim even more. That's 1.5 good old lightbulbs you need to cool. Radiators don't account for that much of the price, so why settle for less, especially in first iterations of the miner? The cooler the better. edit: I was wrong. This is the 4 chip solution. So at least 24W, but the fan size really is just a normal case fan. The gridseed miners look a lot like this. 4 chips only? Hardly seems worth the trouble of wiring it all up and having that much space taken up. Who are these aimed at? N00bs? Depends on the price. Everyone should be able to mine. |
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May 06, 2014, 08:33:16 AM |
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Heh.. we are in for a surprise |
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May 06, 2014, 08:50:18 AM |
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Heh.. we are in for a surprise So ASICminer took out last 25BTC from mining wallet without any explanation, and you guys call it "actually good news" ? Yeah, Bitcoinland  Personally I am in, because I stuck here 1 year ago. |
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May 06, 2014, 10:56:44 AM |
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Heh.. we are in for a surprise So ASICminer took out last 25BTC from mining wallet without any explanation, and you guys call it "actually good news" ? Yeah, Bitcoinland Personally I am in, because I stuck here 1 year ago. Not to belabor your pessimism, but this was the pattern, long months ago, when the big dividends would fly - btc movement, sales wallets, too... and then joy to all share-hodlers. |
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May 06, 2014, 12:08:31 PM |
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To be fair a dividend, if any, would still be tiny no? There's a point where it's not really worth it because of dust rules and transaction fees when you try to spend the inputs.
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May 06, 2014, 01:16:33 PM |
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There's three potential revenue streams for AM the first of which I assume to be chip sales and based on the initial order size I would assume divs to only reflect that small order size. The other two forms of revenue would still likely be in the build phase.
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May 06, 2014, 01:50:51 PM |
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It's been a long time since last dividend.. Hope they start paying again soon.
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May 06, 2014, 02:45:56 PM |
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IMHO Divs will take time to accumulate.
AM by all appearances is willing to risk incrementally increasing their distribution while others attempting to dump their product as fast as they can before the competition steps up. If this is the case judging by notional incremental order sizes, holding back on distribution is pretty bold statement in this market given competition. Gives the sense that these others are peering out at a light at the end of the tunnel just hoping to dump their wares before the freight train with "AM" forged into the cowcatcher steams in.
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May 06, 2014, 03:00:37 PM |
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IMHO Divs will take time to accumulate.
AM by all appearances is willing to risk incrementally increasing their distribution while others attempting to dump their product as fast as they can before the competition steps up. If this is the case judging by notional incremental order sizes, holding back on distribution is pretty bold statement in this market given competition. Gives the sense that these others are peering out at a light at the end of the tunnel just hoping to dump their wares before the freight train with "AM" forged into the cowcatcher steams in.
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May 06, 2014, 05:10:34 PM |
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IMHO Divs will take time to accumulate.
AM by all appearances is willing to risk incrementally increasing their distribution while others attempting to dump their product as fast as they can before the competition steps up. If this is the case judging by notional incremental order sizes, holding back on distribution is pretty bold statement in this market given competition. Gives the sense that these others are peering out at a light at the end of the tunnel just hoping to dump their wares before the freight train with "AM" forged into the cowcatcher steams in.
The competition isn't dumping product because they're afraid of AM. It's just that the market price of miners will only go down as the network size increases. They gain nothing by holding onto product. AM needs to start selling its chips too. The larger the first batch the better since those chips will likely fetch the highest per chip price. |
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May 06, 2014, 09:50:46 PM |
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The larger the first batch the better since those chips will likely fetch the highest per chip price.
Why is June order planned to be so much larger than May? They started production in late April. Does AM need the revenue to finance June's order? Being where they initially entered this market I'd assume no. If anything to avoid setup costs and take advantage of volume discounts you'd run Apr, May and June at once then apportion out the product at the rate which maximizes returns. If you're on your game you set the rules. |
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May 06, 2014, 10:27:33 PM |
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We really won't know what sort of BTC or Fiat AM has reserved for the chip orders until the financial report comes out. It could be that was the largest order AM had funds for or it could be a capacity issue at the foundry where they make the chips. I don't know anymore than anyone else.
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