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A comment regarding chips being sent to you would not go amiss either. how do you plan on refunding people if you have used the Btc on chips.
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Hi all,
Sorry but i haven't got time to read all questions since i've posted last time. I know it's my fault, but if a day had 30 hours that wouldn't be enough either..
So, update:
- Both batches were asked for refund. Waiting for John to receive the BTC back. Batch 2 has been refunded and i'm intending to send a voting form for batch 2 people also. (You can ask for a refund or you can ask to invest in something else)
- For the ones that want reinvestment in something else, i've made several "BIG" arrangements to have the hosting option possible. This is why i haven't hot even the slightest chance to post on the forum (besides the fact that if i continue lurking the forum during the day, i'm gonna get fired...)
- There will be a bigger reinvestment in BitFury and KnC miners. These two are delivering the soonest. Discussions are on the way to ensure the delivery of this hardware.
- Working on some numbers regarding the total Hashing power i'm trying to aquire. Rest assured: You may have paid for 4.5 GH/s in Avalon terms, but in Bitfury and other terms this will be an equivalent to >10 GH/s. No funds will be lost.
Will post back later tonight, with more info. Apologies for not answering the forum. I'm resding stuff, i just don't have the time to write back. But i promise i'll make time for communication too.
Regards,
Steve
Forget your voting form mate. You have received 140 BTC from batch 2 to your private address, that should have gone back into escrow, and that is now 105 BTC , this needs to be re Escrow-ed Immediately or refunded.  |
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Summary
Current Status of Batch 1 Funds - Held in escrow by JohnK awaiting Instructions
Current Status of Batch 2 Chips - Around 800 of 2670 in transit to Steve (this maybe a private purchase)
Funds - 140.51263 BTC sent to 16dAyPsi5qe81UU5DqvtFyhYS5SkJ23nPM 12/09/2013
Current Status of T13 Known Addresses
total transactions Current Balance
Webstore 1FhKsXT3M1kyhfiUg3iXnf4VGubt13awPx 341.466 BTC 0 BTC
T13 16dAyPsi5qe81UU5DqvtFyhYS5SkJ23nPM 219.43039525 BTC 105.5324342 BTC Reducing
Personal
Transfer 1Ds63TcXi27RQHXcpEHZSUdAStNPbatpr8 323.304608 BTC 0 BTC
Address
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TOTAL COST IS 11.85000000 BTC
DELIVERY COST IS 0.7 BTC
ADRESS WHERE BITCOINS WILL BE DELIVERED IS : 1PqRPyvYiFMeYe5hT6mSh21zLHxoCcbSDy
If you transaction was on 2013-07-19 10:09:25 It was payed to the webstore address i posted above. Shortly withdrawn 3 days later to 1Ds63TcXi27RQHXcpEHZSUdAStNPbatpr8 at which point it bounces of several other addressees before disappearing into the ether... |
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Steve's Address 16dAyPsi5qe81UU5DqvtFyhYS5SkJ23nPM has transferred 107BTC to 1Ds63TcXi27RQHXcpEHZSUdAStNPbatpr8 Since 2013-06-18, 35btc in the last 4 days, the transactions to the second address all leave within a couple of hours, leaving a 0 balance. I think this is an exchange or a Laundry address. Sorry Guys it looks we may have been Scammed  Edit - I think 1FhKsXT3M1kyhfiUg3iXnf4VGubt13awPx maybe one of Steve's Address Is the webstore address +100 BTC transfered to 1Ds63TcXi27RQHXcpEHZSUdAStNPbatpr8 |
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When I receive my miners from Martin ( made with chips from a different group buy ) I will tip martin some coin to help offset all these gifts as I really appreciate the work and effort he has done for all involved.  |
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Steve, Are you withdrawing 15 - 20 BTC every couple of days through CoinBase.
You have to come and explain this NOW !!!Edit : the address googled to a link to coinbase, probably not a coinbase transaction. But still where are our coins going to 
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I'm confused as to why these are being shipped, wasn't a refund requested for batch 2?
Normally I'd not be bothered by Steve's absence, but right now it goes without saying that we need an update on this situation of the batches.
No refund was requested (I guess) because it was combined with the other euro groups. Deals have been done, of which we have no information. JohnK has confirmered a refund was not requested for this batch 2 and zefir has confirmed communication with Steve, Steve has sent zefir shipping instructions and zefir will ship them. Maybe Steve is planning to refund from his own pocket and keep the chips himself - I really just don't no... This is a cluster of clusterf#cks now..  EDIT ________________Looking through the block chain it would appear that the address listed on Steve's profile has received a refund of 140 BTC on the 12th, Group 2 total was about 216 BTC but about 80 BTC was from the web store. So the good news is it looks like Steve has had (35 btc withdrawn)our coins for Batch 2 minus the webstore ( he probably has a separate address for that). The Bad News is he is awol and the coins do not look to be in Escrow anymore they are with Steve. I really hope am missing something here, am gonna ask John to comment. |
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Unofficial Batch No. 2 orders:Order No. of Chips Total BTC Address
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Website Order 976 79.056 1FhKsXT3M1kyhfiUg3iXnf4VGubt13awPx
2 320 25.92 1Garr2555P4oiAaLQqXkcdAKGg4SMt3RZS
3 5 0.415 12DNdacCtUZ99qcP74FwchaCPzeDL9Voff
4 8 0.664 1DononEbNw8traGfgQpvkV99tRPkat8H7t
5 48 3.952 1EQG1ZdThvkauvm2HBBWMvXTBBJQB5hfjG
6 32 2.656 1AHn9yDZYjpD27z8uweTJJXWvByXnLJfhH
7 72 5.981 153E782s2KyLAMw7dmCfEbY2ox82VBBbSR
8 256 20.706 17uw1gLwywmjZr458gyC44hHZhnvBP26WK
9 16 1.312 1Eh3Az8Q5QxXdon4bqA8C8hTLo5HwfA2Cy
10 70 5.81 12qCi3pKYHWMDKSakjcGXP7B7op1ymLvxq
11 64 5.312 1DM8pdm1KbTfAcChuoawkEEbwEqGVzmqQ4
12 64 5.184 1Lmvj5WCXpje8pMUJLBV1pgmmn9yUESUgo
13 160 12.96 15mAtoxESMvXVGWp24dipEZETMLzE3BBQZ
14 16 1.296 1ja2G6vVyRoExiCviDnjdzLPQnQcxLnSP
15 160 12.96 18du4cY4s5wKhQ6Y8V4t6MB8iiXWVZ9hMt
16 32 2.592 14kMfWZRkSAxrU64YEPymHE6rYttRzeMNa
17 103 8.343 12uVYQBdZs4HWKNcTVw6KUDgYDeMwbKKxz
18 8 0.648 1NoS89H3Mr6U5CmP4VwWzU2318JEMxHL1
19 116 9.396 1FvZzqPfopsaB3nBmReGCsGFmjrYEN8Uef
20 128 10.368 15AtEk6scKEStRVV3rrq9iEvBdUuAX7bGL
21 16 1.296 14nMckbsrtMoYYnz2MK7wWoyjc97jVtked
Should we start to collect shipping to information in Steves absence. Or are people expecting these to still be refunded ?? |
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looks good,
Do you need some coin for postage to Marto74 ?
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I don't like the fact that obviously about half of batch 1 wanted refunds and half did not, hence some want chips. Batch 2 got no refund and now gets to unload chips at half price to batch 1 buyers who got a full refund. Nice.  Choadmeyer, payment sent. I Have purchased Choadmeyer's 16 chips from batch 2 at a reduced rate. In addition to the terms I have agreed with him I would also like to publicly state that if Steve does refund this batch (which appears to be shipping to Steve) then I wish Steve to refund the balance from what I payed to Choadmeyer. ( or were sort it out privately in Steves absence.) Whilst I will not pay full price for chips, I do not wish to profit in the event of the batch being refunded.  |
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The key here is watts/hash/$$. If we can get cheapish miners to the masses we win. Corps have cost's I can run 1 kw of miners without to much pain and itching on my electricity bill. The big miners has huge costs. Dual supply's and Ups's do not come cheap. Genny back up, rack mounts, dual switching networking not to mention static switches.. These all come at huge cost. Trust me, us little guys can stay solvent way longer than the big boys. If we can level the hardware costs the big boys are toast, and as they shut down then we make the $$$'s |
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Perhaps we should compile a list of denied refunds, make a joint request for refund to BFL giving 7 days notice before filing a joint complaint to the state attorney general and Better Business Bureau, with further action if needed.
The list should contain at minimum
Surname/username date of order amount of order
I would be happy to compile a list via PM and file what I can by email, If someone is up on drafting the complaint ( someone who has some experience with these things) I would be grateful.
I will keep all personal information private - but keep a running count here of orders/total order value.
Thoughts suggestions welcome.
Am sure it wont take many before this will be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, that should gain some attention.
We could do this in rounds, maybe 25 orders at a time, file then start gathering the next batch.
Please do not worry if you payed in BTC - the order was in $$$$ and converted at checkout or afterwards, its a non issue am sure..
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Another idea is to verify with Yifu whether TH really did order the chips or not. If not that it is for sure scam...
I have shoot an IM to yifu with the remote chance that he will reply.
I mean why spent btc ordering all that chips if he plan to scam everybody from the get go??
Did he request a refund is the question to ask |
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If a lawyer approaches BFL with 50 clients and says we gonna court, BFL will ever pay up or fold up.
Yes there is a huge risk for the other customer here, there is risk, but I have personally excepted that this investment is lost unless I take action.
+ every time josh post's it makes my skin crawl
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I paid with wire, about 10k usd. is it possible to get my money back?
All the time they are trading I see no reason why not, but am not an expert. If there is enough of us who have genuinely requested a refund and been denied, then we can try. If 50 customers go to a judge I can't see him ruling against them.. |
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It will be a very hard task explaining bitcoins to the judge. I think we can pay Micon to represent us vs Josh.
Do we need to explain bitcoins? Regarding payments - Even if the person payed in BTC it was converted to USD Regarding the hardware - Its kind of irrelevant what product was purchased, it has not been shipped in a timely manner. But if the judge ask's - yes its going to be hard to explain I don't recall any posts by Micon - I'll do some digging. Main point at the moment is to assess Interest. |
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NEWS - BATCH 2 CHIPS RECEIVED. Update: all remaining Chips arrived
Today all remaining 3 batches arrived. As planned, I will re-package them over night, drive to Germany tomorrow and ship them out from there.
With that, the partial refund window closed, further requests (starting from epoch 1379691600) can not be served.
There are still a handful of orders with no shipping destination given. Those will be kept back for another 2 weeks and remain claimable. Be aware that for those you will have to pay the S&H as individual orders and you have to pay them in advance. After the 2 weeks hold time, I am going to dump them and to leave the Avalon drama behind.
Thanks for your support and positive feedback. I am going to post one final post with the list of orders shipped, then this venture will end. Throughout half a year I hoped for the best and am really sorry and disappointed it had to end this way.
Best,
zefir
This sucks, Zefir is about to ship our chips (wanted or Not ) to steve, who logs into the forum but will not post in his own damn thread. |
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Non Paypal/credit card orders. I would like to try my luck with small claims court. However I can not do this myself (am not in US). If someone is local to BFL, Maybe they can represent a batch of orders (and we can all chip in for expenses. ) If someone is prepared to give this a go please PM me or post. If Someone is an expert of/or friends of an expert in US legal/consumer rights please post also. Without a local I feel this is pointless. Without hiring a lawyer (which could be done with enough Interest). Well done lajz99 for all his efforts with paypal/credit card orders. If this applies to you then see his Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=295187.msg3164319#msg3164319Lets show BFL the power of the Forums |
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