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1721  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How discipline are you in managing your bankroll? on: December 18, 2023, 04:55:03 PM

You’ve got a point. I think if you’re someone who gambles a considerable lot, it would be safer if you made a budget for your gambling activities and strive to keep to it. That’s the best way on how to comfortably manage your finances so you won’t go over indulging yourself with gambling activities.
Starting with a week and slowly increasing to two weeks to a month, the budget would get easier to stick to and discipline would then set in.
Greed for more money can also make someone play using money not budgeted for such activities.
Budget allocation would be always recommended or something that would really be that crucial specially when dealing up with gambling.If you do find yourself that being impulsive when it comes to spending then there's something wrong with you and this is something that should really be stopped completely if you are really that making that huge spending into your money.
Gambling is for fun but on the time that you are already doing things which arent supposed to be done then it would really be always better that you should stop.
Bankroll handling would really be that important and if you arent discipline then you are really that close to disaster, this is why you should really be that careful.

If you want to stay responsible better to focus with your bankroll, both time and money are important but most of the time its the money that you are using that leads you to overstay inside the house, when you are losing there's a chance that instead of stopping you will add more money and keep trying to recover as quickly as possible.

Wrong move as you are just following how the house wanted you to use their services, if you got hook expect that you will suffer to more losing amount, you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.

By putting an amount that will not be too big a problem for your finances if the final result is really losing, bankrol management is very important but in my opinion not only that, but at the same time you also need to have the right understanding of gambling, because of course your management will not be useful if you basically have an aggressive approach to gambling in the sense of always overdoing it in search of victory. The right understanding will be useful to minimize everything including not losing too much and reduce the attraction to stay longer and get carried away in the cycle because the right understanding will be able to push you to a good awareness.

Restoring the situation to break even I think most of the actions will only end up in vain, very unlikely because when you do a new session then obviously the situation will also return to the beginning which means between winning and losing, while the house always wins.

1722  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Risk management and responsible gaming on: December 18, 2023, 04:21:43 PM

If there really is a gambling site that dares to do that, it means that they are not worried that their gambling site will be empty of visitors, but whatever it is, we have to appreciate the gambling site owner for providing free services to help reduce someone's gambling addiction. I know that is a good step to prevent anyone from doing so. addicted to gambling so that you can play responsibly and can also manage risks well and not play recklessly.

Rarely do I find gambling sites that are willing to support or even provide services to their users so they don't get addicted and help to cure gambling addiction with that service. but even though it looks like it was forced from what you said, it is true that they did it because of government demands and to be able to operate freely, I don't think there is any other way but to support and provide that service.  Grin

Or is this also some kind of new style of marketing? It could be that this could attract more people's interest in playing gambling, because they feel safe that if something happens to them, they can also use this service. And make gambling sites more responsible, in other words. Of course, this does not mean that it will have an impact on reducing visitors and site income. In fact, it can provide positive feedback for gambling sites in the future.

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.
1723  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 18, 2023, 04:01:26 PM

Harry Kane has doubled the lead for Bayern Munich; they will now be five points behind Bayern Leverkusen if they win the match. But Stuttgart is performing well in the match; they are still playing well as they still have the highest ball possession, but Bayern is creating more dangerous attempts, and they have Harry Kane in the top nine to be scoring the goals, and he has delivered perfectly so far because he is a very good striker that will win trophies for Bayern.
Bayern Munic win tonight is good and very important for the team so they keep hope of the title alive. The win will also help them redeem their image from the embarrassing humiliation they suffered in the hands of Eintracht Frankfurt. I can feel Bayern Leverkusen already shivering seeing Bayern closing in on them. Bayern is expected to win their outstanding match to reduce the point gap between them and Leverkusen to just one.  Tonight is another proof that Harry Kane is still lethal as always and his signing should be celebrated as one of the best decision of the German Champions. 
Bayern's victory  makes a significant statement, I must say. It's as though they've learned from the Frankfurt fiasco and are back stronger than ever. They are a constant threat in the Bundesliga because of their tenacity. Leverkusen has been playing brilliantly, but as Bayern closes in, the situation is a classic Bundesliga pressure cooker. Harry Kane, too, whoa! He is clearly one of Bayern's top acquisitions, as evidenced by his performance in tonight's match. He gives the team a winning mentality in addition to his aims

Yes, it looks like Tuchel has fixed everything by looking in the mirror and making the failure against Frankfurt in the previous few games a pretty valuable lesson. On the other hand if only if at that time Bayern Munich had not slipped I think the difference in their points difference with Leverkusen now would not be too far away, maybe only one point difference, but whatever it is that should happen.

Leverkusen is still an  unbeaten team so far except for the draw, it is not easy to be able to fight so far in maintaining performance and consistency in the midst of intense competition, but Leverkusen can do it and even they make a team like Bayern Munich troublesome. Obviously, Harry Kane is no doubt, I admit that he is one of Bayern Munich's best purchases, honestly I can't imagine if Tottenham didn't agree to his departure clause then maybe now Bayern Munich will be further behind Leverkusen.
1724  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 18, 2023, 03:23:34 PM
~snip~
Greed is the first thing that will be chosen, doubling bets and increasing expectations, none other than that they do because they want to get a much larger number of wins at the expense of previous wins that are used as capital, but on the other hand do you know that they do not know at all whether luck is still there or has disappeared? unknown and all of that is out of control, they will only be able to find out whether they are still lucky or not in that session when everything is over, or that means the act of greed they do is finished and usually the results are more disappointing than expected. You have to believe that regret always comes at the end and if you don't want to feel that way then obviously it's better to cash out early than go home in tears, it's all about probabilities mate so just think about it and consider, everyone is going to be in a winning situation but unfortunately some of them are not able to enjoy their winnings because they always apply greed.
Greed is a serious problems for a gambler. If they have tasted victory, they will continue to try to win more than their first wins. Indeed, no one knows whether luck is still there or not because luck cannot be predicted. Sometimes there are people who can wins more because they feel that luck is still on their side, but sometime there are also those who cannot increase their winnings and instead just run out so that they don't get the winning. This is what influences a gambler, if they feel satisfied they should be able to stop and withdraw the money, but if they are not satisfied they will continue their activities until they get the win they hoped for.

But I'm not sure that because is a person natural attitude, even though they can win large amounts, they will still feel dissatisfied with what they get because greed will always be in their minds, no matter how big they win they will still continue and they will stop if run out of money and don't get anything. This is what is called a reckless gambler, they should not have a greedy attitude because being greedy will only cause harm to yourself because you will feel continuously dissatisfied and it is not impossible that greed will cause someone to become an addicts.

For them greed cannot be concluded as the main problem that will make them feel more regretful at the end of the session, but usually in the early stages when they are able to achieve victory then they think that greed  becomes an alternative that must be chosen for the sake of a larger amount. Yes of course, luck is always unpredictable after all, as you said and I also admit that greed does not always end in disappointment but there are also some who manage to get a bigger amount because luck is still there, but stilll everything is still gray because there is absolutely no certainty and luck is always unpredictable.

The prohibition against greed refers more to minimizing actions so that you can enjoy the previous victory, because usually something that is done in excess is always bad, especially this is gambling which always depends on luck. If there is certainty and assurance then there is obviously no problem if you want to apply greed. We must understand that the name of satisfaction has no end point, which means that  even if you  are able to get a large amount then obviously after that your hopes  and expectations will also be even greater while on the other hand gambling still depends on luck. That's why we should emphasize limits and control, because the more often you receive results that are not in accordance with your wishes, the deeper you will fall into the abyss..
1725  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which one is fun, watching with bet or without a bet? on: December 18, 2023, 03:02:43 PM
Just trying to get the communities opinion based on their experience about the topic.

Personally, a a bettor, I find it very stressful when watching the game you are betting especially if it will end up a losing bet.

If we have the same experience, how do you cope up with that problem, after all, gambling should be fun but why we have this kind of feeling that we feel disappointed when our bet loses?

Same here, i find it very stressful watching a game when you have a bet on either team. Most of the time, i won't watch it live, i will just watch the replay so i can see how the players were doing on that particular game as a reference for my next bet on them.

I bet to win, not for fun lol, but if my bet loses, i don't have regrets because that's my choice and i just put it in my mind that we will not always win in gambling, we win some we lose some.

The way you do it is quite good in finding which team is better and better to choose by waiting for the match to finish and seeing which team is more likely to be chosen in the next bet by looking at the depth statistics of the two teams, that's good but do you think that it's not possible that in the next bet you lose even though you have got references from replays by choosing a better team? of course, the top class team is still very likely to be defeated by a medium or below average team, the point is that any result can happen and including for results that we never expected.

On the other hand I don't blame you with the way you choose because it is indeed quite good and effective to minimize the possibility of losing by choosing a team that is expected to have a greater chance of winning. The other thing is that it is quite clear that everyone bets with the aim of winning, I'm not hypocritical because I'm one of them too, but certainly don't focus too much on winning because that's the same as raising your hopes and expectations which will certainly make your disappointment even higher if the final result is not appropriate. Betting to win and not racing too much for fun but not feeling sorry when the final result loses, from this I can conclude a little that it looks like you put a budget that you can be responsible for.
1726  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Prove me wrong: Gambling is both more relaxing and entertaining than trading! on: December 18, 2023, 02:44:15 PM
I don't know about relaxing but I do agree that gabling is more entertaining than trading because you don't need to take gambling seriously unlike with trading where you need to put your game face on because you're playing with your money and a slight change is an opportunity for you to earn a profit so you can't afford to be dilly dally. Also, it's really hard to compare these two because gambling and trading is so different from one another and even if they say it's just like gambling, it's still isn't the same to me.

This is what I'm going to say. For me, gambling is more interesting and entertaining than trading but I can't say that this is more relaxing because both of them requires money. I can say that gambling gives us more positive vibes because of their visuals and type of game unlike on trading that focuses in more serious visuals that's why many people says gambling can give them relaxation and entertainment even if both of them requires money that has no guarantee of winning and losses.

Congratulations, you have a mindset and point of view that is directly proportional to what should be done and what is more advisable, the fact is that it is true that gambling should be used as a place of entertainment and if you feel that the activity can really entertain yourself then I think you will remain safe in your involvement in the sense that you will not experience too significant an impact, because after all even if you come with the recommended goal, there is still a risk that cannot be completely avoided. In terms of pressure and level of worry of course gambling and trading are quite equal in that regard, as you said because both of these things involve money and for the issue of percentage loss maybe I would say that gambling is more likely to allow you to lose a lot of money, because there is nothing that can be learned just to minimize the risk management that exists in trading with some experience.

On the other hand maybe I would say that gambling will really give you an entertaining positive impact if you come and engage with the right approach, because of course whether it's in trading or gambling all of that I think depends on the approach of each individual in terms of whether or not they will be able to benefit from both activities, for those who always overdo it and come without planning I think there will be absolutely no positive benefits that they will feel but a lot of pressure.
1727  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 18, 2023, 02:23:41 PM
Of course, it depends on the situation and the situation also depends on the person's point of view, or that means everyone has a different point of view and decision in every situation, even though according to them it is good to choose but maybe for other people it is not recommended and should be avoided.

Yes, some may think that gambling is work is wrong while others may have a different point of view. I think as long as you can balance between the office work and gambling, and the office work is not compromised because of your gambling, then it may be on to gamble at work.

Basically it is very dangerous if someone already thinks or assumes that gambling becomes a necessity, such ideas should really be avoided, after all this is gambling which is more famous for its negative impacts than the positives that we can hardly get. Although different points of view are always a certain thing in every individual but they should be able to feel if indeed their point of view is wrong which causes them to get involved in some problems, especially financial and that should be an indication that their point of view and way of thinking on gambling is wrong or not right.

On the other hand it is true, that as long as they can balance everything well especially in terms of time and finances and also do not interfere with work activities then maybe it will not be a serious problem, but basically only one thing I would say is that dividing time wisely according to its portion is better to do.

Actually from the two things you mentioned that might be an option / chosen by others basically in common sense both are really bad actions, especially if you do it when you are focused on doing other things, especially in the workplace that provides you with income to survive, no matter whether it's alcohol or gambling or even illegal drugs which basically have a negative impact all of that should really be avoided, there is no reason that makes sense with whatever they say for a defense.

Office work give you income and you should not compromise of the office work because of gambling. Sometimes you complete the office work and have time, then you can gamble. but if there is a pending office work and you start to gambling, and ignoring the office work, then it is not only unethical but also you are not faithful to your job and duty.

If all that goes well or that means it is still in a safe situation even though you are doing work and gambling at the same time but on the other hand there are still consequences that should be worried about, it is your main job which of course as I said earlier that it is the income that finances your life, so from this alone they should be able to consider which is more important and which is not necessary, after all there is still plenty of time for you to gamble right? You can still engage in gambling when all your work is finished, or that means when you go home and you can gamble at home in a relaxed and calm situation. If you persist in gambling at work then obviously the risk is that you might lose your job if your boss finds out about the activity.
1728  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 18, 2023, 01:45:42 PM

The factor of circumstances and weak finances in real life is the biggest driver that makes them always chase victory and do not care how much money they sacrifice, actually what they do is not a struggle to achieve a big win but slowly if you or they realize the facts that occur are actions and goals like that only throw their money drained slowly and without realizing it, the more they are surprised by the amount they lose a lot then another possibility or another decision that seems more likely they will choose to act more aggressively because of the inability to accept the risks that occur.

In fact there will  never be a better situation if you have that perspective on gambling, simply put when you lose you will be curious and when you win you will be addicted, so it's actually a cycle for people who are already into addiction. For the rich themselves it obviously seems to be true that a good financial situation will not make them act excessively, the logic is as you said that by having many sources of income then obviously at first glance I already know that most likely they come just to fill their empty time along with seeking entertainment, while the poor have a purpose that is not recommended, as I said that the situation factor is the cause.

Well, I see it in the simplest way there is, a millionaire, rich, is a person who has a lot of money that can even be spent on the roof, even if he spends a lot of money, which for us can be a fortune, for them or is it just fine, and it surprises me to see the number of rich people there are in the world, I don't know how they manage to be so rich, what I say is that when there is something to offer and how they can have better job opportunities, business opportunities, that is the reason why I see that they can be big, however I say something when a rich person plays in a casino they can easily spend up to $200k, something that in my life I am not able to afford, but I don't forget this is something that not everyone talks about , and since it happens that they have spent much more and even so, if they lose, nothing is left there, because the rich do not have Needs to satisfy or look for extra money for their things, it is complicated but for the common people who are not millionaires , who are always looking for ways to make money and find ways to have fun.

A player who is rich will always look for a way to get more fun in a casino and wherever, that's why we are people who can wait to make the Difference when we are in a casino because when we play with little money there is a lot that is learned in a moment given , a rich person because things are different, the money they spend doesn't hurt them much, they always know how to do everything, so basically with money life is easier, more comfortable, they don't have to go through needs or make sacrifices, everything is easier for them, then in retrospect if life is easier for a rich person, it is easier to act in a casino, because addiction will not occur, unless you bet Large Amounts of money that are decapitated, but you have to very stupid to do it , there are no people like that. because above all, some of those who are richer know what to spend on.

The difference in situations and conditions especially in finance is the main focus on the difference in involvement and approach, it is clear that spending the amount of $200k will not be a big problem for the rich, but that amount is very valuable for some people especially the middle or below average, not only that because it turns out that the difference in financial strength has also changed one's perspective on gambling, the rich come with the intention of entertainment and about the amount we think is very large but for them it is an amount that they can afford to lose. But on the other hand, it cannot be denied that rich people can also get lost in the addiction zone and it is very possible that they can also run out of all their money, so although there is a significant difference in the two financial situations above which can certainly affect the point of view, still whether you are rich or poor management must still be applied, because the name of the money will be very easy to run out.

But in general and according to my point of view usually rich people will not be too likely to get lost in the addiction zone, logically they have pretty good management of the money they earn so that they can become rich people, doesn't it make sense? So with that even though they have great power to bet higher, I think they will consider from all sides, the point is that rich people will not be too careless about the allocation of money.
1729  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers should not believe in first game win trap on: December 18, 2023, 01:25:44 PM
I don't think the first win is always going to be a trap or I wouldn't really consider that it's a trap to get you further involved, it's gambling and anyone can win and lose, so the casino doesn't mean that the first win is to trap you further.

All of this depends on the gambler's point of view, if indeed they address gambling as more of a pleasure activity (earning) then I think it is very possible that you are easily tempted by your first win and think excessively like thinking that "this is a good place to earn, I think it all comes back to one's point of view and understanding in terms of gambling especially about probability, if from the start they understand everything then I think they will remain fine, or that means they will not be easily tempted by something that looks like tempting.

The first game may be the loss game to some gamblers,we can’t say the first game is the win for all the gamblers.It also depends on the gambling site which you are playing your game.The scam gambling site never allow you to win from the first game to loss game,the gambler will try to get the loss by depositing the money to the gambling site.But the fact is they never make the win from the scam gambling site.Even though the gamblers deposited 1000 dollars,he can’t win the ten dollars from such gambling site.The gamblers strategy itself enough to make the win from the good gambling site.

The conclusion that the OP is referring to is that usually someone will experience a change in mindset if at the beginning of their involvement they immediately get a win and that is what is meant by the first win trap, and that means not every gambler who just entered will always get a win but still in gambling everything cannot be predicted whether you will win or lose.

As for your statement about what casino they play at, or do you mean that winning depends on how good the casino is, I honestly never thought of it that way, I never thought that losing was caused by irresponsible or scam casinos, unless you are mentioning that casinos don't pay gamblers their winnings, well if that is what you mean then I guess I would agree with your idea, but as for the difficulty of finding winnings I think it is just about luck and I would say that if there are people who gamble without winning then I would say that they are very far from lucky.
1730  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be play with care on: December 17, 2023, 10:45:22 PM
That's true, earning money nowadays is quite difficult so you have to be more careful when it comes on your spending habits. I agree that even those rich people tends to care about their spending even if we saw some of them buying stuffs and spend more in gambling, I think they are aware and has their limitations in their money, sometimes you only see the value of money when you work hard to earn it yourself
Everyone has to think a lot more about holding money regardless of the rich and the poor. Suppose you have a lot of money at this time but if you don't earn any more money later and lose money regularly due to your bad habits then how long will that money support you. It is okay to take risk in some cases but it does not make sense to take risk where there is a high probability of losing money. Assuming you are a gambler, you should stop thinking that you have to make money by gambling. Some money can be gambled and that is purely for our own pleasure, whenever we get over greedy and try to build our career through gambling we definitely create the possibility of losing the money we have. I think we need to think more about how to protect our money and find ways to grow money.

Some gamblers actually stake more than they should. They most times make their decision to stake high due to their peer group or friends who is in the constant habit of spending more. They do not even put into consideration how much the person they are emulating earns. If you do not know all the sources of income of anyone and also know how much they spend in terms of responsibilities, there's no need wanting to spend as much as another person does in gambling.

Gambling for fun only is something that is near impossible to achieve. That ideology is just theoretical as in the real life, wherever anyone commits money, they would want to gain from there. But the best is to remain disciplined and stick to budget.

Even though for example you have pretty good boundaries and control but on the other hand if you are wrong in associating then obviously you will easily violate what you have set before, the environment is one of the factors that greatly affects human behavior, as you said that where the person is influenced by friends around him who are always aggressive in his gambling approach, increasing multipliers with the aim of a much bigger win. Obviously, maybe some of his friends have good enough finances or income that for them it is not too much of a problem to put a large amount of budget, but on the other hand it is not recommended if you have a medium or below average income, because obviously it will cause problems with your own finances.

So it's better to gamble in a way and approach that you think is better which of course can balance with the money you have, this can be taken into consideration if they realize and think in that direction. Probability is one of the reasons why we should make gambling a place of pleasure and not to earn, limiting budgets, hopes and expectations are very important and must be considered.
1731  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 17, 2023, 09:58:06 PM
Hmm yes that's usually true, gamblers will do reckless actions when they are able to achieve or manage to get a win, they can breathe a sigh of relief because their struggles are not in vain in that session, the sensation and explosion of endorphins in the brain really make them feel great, but this is where it all starts.

Greed is the first thing that will be chosen, doubling bets and increasing expectations, none other than that they do because they want to get a much larger number of wins at the expense of previous wins that are used as capital, but on the other hand do you know that they do not know at all whether luck is still there or has disappeared? unknown and all of that is out of control, they will only be able to find out whether they are still lucky or not in that session when everything is over, or that means the act of greed they do is finished and usually the results are more disappointing than expected. You have to believe that regret always comes at the end and if you don't want to feel that way then obviously it's better to cash out early than go home in tears, it's all about probabilities mate so just think about it and consider, everyone is going to be in a winning situation but unfortunately some of them are not able to enjoy their winnings because they always apply greed.
1732  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts? on: December 17, 2023, 09:03:20 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

Understanding probability and understanding what gambling is as a whole then obviously I also have the same assumption as you that indeed they will avoid addiction, I will not say that they will 100% avoid addiction because clearly anything is very likely to happen, such as changes the mindset they experience because they are unable to resist all temptations that look tempting even though they are nothing more than traps. Yes, that's true, none other than because humans are created with common sense and they have a sense of curiosity within themselves which of course is what makes many gamblers finally enter the addiction phase which is confirmed by gambling which always happens randomly which makes them even more addicted. curious because it is difficult to win.

So the more you place hope and curiosity, the deeper you will be involved in the addiction cycle, that's why we are always advised to have firm self-control and control, because some situations in every session you play will always make you tempted to overact. .
1733  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about luck? on: December 17, 2023, 08:35:32 PM

I don't fucking think so man, gambling is all about luck and nothing should change it, as investment is about patient so gambling is also about luck.
Even the highest gambler in the world might say or might not say that gambling is about luck because he or she might have won something big from gambling.
Strategy can only help the luck to come faster but luck can still work on his own even if the strategy is not applied. Luck should be measured 98% and strategy should be measured in 5% of 100.
Well dont get mad on what other peoples opinion would be on which we do have our own perception towards gambling and towards on being lucky on which it is true on what you have said
that despite on being that good as an experienced gambler but literally luck would really be always the end game or thing that you would really be needing because if you dont that that on the said time,
no matter how good your analysis is, it would turn out to be a shit result when luck doesnt favor you. This is why it would be always be best that you should really be wary with those
possibilities or with those probabilities because there's no way that we could be having that guaranteed or 100% sure win.

Exactly, everyone has their own point of view on gambling, there are those who think that this activity is very negative so they always avoid it and there are also those who even think that gambling can be used as a place to earn income, of course all of that is their right because after all they themselves will feel the good and bad effects, and maybe some of the advice that is always given by others is not necessarily going to be useful even though it is good, of course it will also go back to the considerations they make, they will be able to follow some good advice if they really have the right understanding and point of view on gambling.

Of course, it's a fact that this is gambling after all which means that there are chances of winning and there are possible risks too, no matter if you are very skilled in your knowledge but still everything goes back to the initial concept that risk can never be avoided completely and only luck can ensure whether you really win in the session you are doing. That is why we should emphasize good control and limits, only to minimize the number of losses from being too large, and not to increase the chances of winning.
1734  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 17, 2023, 08:02:50 PM
The bet on Freiburg was also right and Bayern Munich is leading already 1 goal from Kane since the 2 Min.
If Bayern Munich will win that game against Stuttgart i really cant complain about my bets this weekend.

The Stuttgart team is quite strong. And so I thought the match might be very competitive. It will not be easy for Bayern Munich to win this match. But Bayern Munich are very lucky. Harry Kane scored a goal just 2 minutes into the match to give Bayern Munich the lead.

Bayern Munich lead 1-0 at the end of the first half. However, the performance of Stuttgart's players is not weak. Stuttgart's players continue to try to score. Stuttgart had 70% of the ball possession in the first half. The second quarter is expected to be more competitive.

Yes, it's true that it looks like this match will be really interesting, we can see from a statistical perspective that VfB tends to be dominated by this match, I wouldn't say that Bayern Munich  has experienced a decline this season but more precisely this season there are several teams which was surprising and which succeeded in strengthening its performance, such as VfB which really troubled Tuchel's squad in this match. Regarding Harry Kane, I think there is no doubt, he can always make his team superior with his sharp play up front. As you said, Kane only needed 2 minutes from the start of the match to score a goal, and now the score has increased, Kane scored again for his team at the start of the second half with the temporary score being 2 - 0,.

Even though statistically VfB is far  superior, especially in possession of the ball, what is great is that Bayern Munich can break all that by taking advantage of every opportunity to always be superior. In my opinion, however, Bayern Munich must be able to get three points in this match, because Leverkusen is getting further away.  So with this situation, it seems I am quite confident that Bayern Munich will be able to maintain its lead until the final minute or even add a few more goals to confirm victory..
1735  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which one is fun, watching with bet or without a bet? on: December 17, 2023, 07:35:02 PM
Just trying to get the communities opinion based on their experience about the topic.

Personally, a a bettor, I find it very stressful when watching the game you are betting especially if it will end up a losing bet.

If we have the same experience, how do you cope up with that problem, after all, gambling should be fun but why we have this kind of feeling that we feel disappointed when our bet loses?

It's humane if you are disappointed by losing a bet. You just need to play more relaxed, nothing can be predicted precisely in gambling. Limit your losses so you don't get depressed.
The more often you play, the more often you will lose if you don't play with a clear mind.
Gambling is fun, don't make it a pressure. Play moderately, take your money when you win. That will make you calmer.
Many people lose money because they don't enjoy the game, they are quite stressed when it comes to playing.

I think it's not only natural that they feel disappointed but in my opinion it's a result that should be accepted gracefully, this is gambling where there is always no certainty and guarantee for the results that match what you want, so by understanding that they should be able to prepare from the start to accept any risks that will befall them in their gambling involvement. One of the important things that needs to be done is to limit the budget and expectations, so that you will not lose too much money and also with a low level of expectation then obviously you will also not experience significant disappointment.

That's right buddy, the more often they gamble, the more often they will lose, because it is difficult to win because everything always depends on luck, if only luck can be controlled then it seems like many rich people have been born from gambling Cheesy. So of course treating gambling as a place of entertainment is more advisable than you suffer a lot of pressure because of applying excessive behavior for something uncertain.

1736  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What according to you should be the age to retire from gambling ? on: December 17, 2023, 07:09:43 PM

Yes maybe it can, but what gambling can provide a consistent income for gamblers, is what you say true and have you ever proven it? on the other hand if gambling can provide a steady income then why are there still people who are willing to work hard just to earn money, why don't they just become gamblers? to be honest I don't understand what you mean but it is certainly ridiculous if people assume that they can get a steady income from gambling, it doesn't make sense and doesn't match the facts.

After all this is gambling which means there are losers and there are winners, do you think the bookie created the casino to give every gambler a free win? Absolutely not, it's a profitable business for them if a lot of gamblers lose, that's why there are more losers than winners and that's also the reason why they better quit as soon as possible and don't need to wait for retirement age. I would advise anyone to quit, whether it's for entertainment in old age or not but it's definitely an activity that can make your money go down the drain at any time and without you even realizing it, so prevention is better than cure.
Consistent income from gambling is only into those people who had been able to reach out that state that they've been able to make income or living with gambling games but of course this would really be only pertaining into those games like strategic ones but if we speak about into those luck based ones then we do know that it cant really be just that possible for you to be able to sustain yourself on playing and make yourself that profitable for long term. Speaking about retirement then gambling isnt a job that someone would really be needing to retire, we do know that we can really be able to stop anytime we do want and age wont really be an indication whether we should stop or not. It would really be that everything would be according if you would be able to afford
to play and spend up some funds.

But can you explain how they can get consistent results or what means they use so that they can get consistent results in gambling? I need that reason to confirm that the statement of making money consistently is really real. The fact is that it is very difficult for anyone, especially someone who plays the role of a gambler, to be able to maintain their luck, I think maybe they will only be able to maintain their luck 2 to 3x usually and not in a row let alone exceed 10x, it's too difficult if you only rely on luck which is always unpredictable when it comes and difficult to maintain.

Another thing is that basically there are no rules governing anyone for when to stop gambling, the point is that if the activity does not give you problems it doesn't matter but on the contrary if you feel that after engaging in gambling you experience a lot of problems, especially in finances then the better thing to do is stop as soon as possible, I understand it's difficult but you can do it slowly and don't need to wait for retirement age.

1737  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Prove me wrong: Gambling is both more relaxing and entertaining than trading! on: December 17, 2023, 06:16:47 PM
While for trading everything you can learn and qualified knowledge and experience will be able to make it easier for you to be able to achieve a pretty good profit,

Again, why re not all traders billionaires by now and why there are hundreds of them still pinching pennies with raffles and signatures campaigns on tis forum when with knowledge you could achieve good profit? Oh, even better question, why are you not doing that yourself?  Wink

If trading can be done and done easily then it seems that I can answer your question and can easily confirm your words that they will be able to become billionaires just by being a trader, but on the other hand I think everyone already knows or has even experienced the difficulty of trading, although I previously said it can be easy but on condition that they have good insight, experience, skills, planning, management and control. I found a lot of pretty good advice on this forum regarding the world of trading but on the other hand I can't just conclude that they are one / some people who  have succeeded and become billionaires, of course it is good for me to say with a little conclusion that they are one of the people who are also in the process of trading along with giving some advice based on experience. Smiley
1738  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 17, 2023, 05:47:46 PM
~snip~
I'd say, drinking alcoholic beverages at your work place might end up worse than gambling, but I understand that it's open to debates. At least you are not intoxicated when you gamble, and can stop at any moment and continue with your work being absolutely sober. It's kinda hard to do that when you are drunk. But I know that there are cases when people are "drunk" from gambling and they can't do their job with a straight head.


It might be worse, or not, depending of course on the situation.

Probably the people that gamble at work will say alcohol is worse and the people that drink at work will say that gambling is worse  Grin

At the end of the day, if the activity generates something negative to you, then it's basically an addiction.

Of course, it depends on the situation and the situation also depends on the person's point of view, or that means everyone has a different point of view and decision in every situation, even though according to them it is good to choose but maybe for other people it is not recommended and should be avoided.

Actually from the two things you mentioned that might be an option / chosen by others basically in common sense both are really bad actions, especially if you do it when you are focused on doing other things, especially in the workplace that provides you with income to survive, no matter whether it's alcohol or gambling or even illegal drugs which basically have a negative impact all of that should really be avoided, there is no reason that makes sense with whatever they say for a defense.
1739  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 17, 2023, 05:28:05 PM
That's the mindset that most poor or lower middle class people have, I think the circumstances are the main cause that will push his mind to continue gambling and get a lot of money from winning to improve or increase finances in his life. I think only a few gamblers think to see how much money they have allocated to gambling, because their main focus is only on winning and indirectly it makes them forget about how much money they have lost in their gambling involvement during that time, of course if they see it maybe they will be surprised but that does not mean they will stop or just reduce, there are many choices they can choose between being more aggressive in gambling next with the aim of breaking even or reducing it in terms of budget so that the amount of defeat is not too large.

Honestly, I can't tell if rich people gamble more often than middle to lower class people or if they are very rare because they have a lot of activities in the real world, but what is certain is that as you said, rich people have a good financial level and with that, they have the freedom to put any amount on their gambling, for them winning is normal and losing is also normal, because obviously they already have a place to make money that is like running water, endless as long as they continue their business and that means that maybe losing is not something that matters to them.
They are encouraged to continue gambling using more and more money, just wanting to win from gambling and wanting to change their lives for the better. Unfortunately, it won't be easy because, in gambling, they can experience more and more losses, and if they don't realize it, they will end up spending a lot of money that they could have saved. They will not remember how much money they have spent gambling because they will continue gambling even though they have lost a lot of money. If they saw the amount of money they used, they might also be shocked, but that still wouldn't stop them from gambling. Maybe if they have gotten a big win, they won't stop because they have felt the big win and instead want to get more big wins and will continue gambling.

I think many rich people probably also gamble and spend their money on gambling but they still have sources of income from many places so if they spend a lot of money, it won't really affect them. Rich people can also gamble whenever they want. But they prioritize their business matters rather than gambling because, for them, gambling is just entertainment that they don't need to do too often. If they can get more business, they can have even more money. They know that when gambling, they cannot expect always to win, so that is why they only gamble for fun and can stop once they have had enough of gambling.


The factor of circumstances and weak finances in real life is the biggest driver that makes them always chase victory and do not care how much money they sacrifice, actually what they do is not a struggle to achieve a big win but slowly if you or they realize the facts that occur are actions and goals like that only throw their money drained slowly and without realizing it, the more they are surprised by the amount they lose a lot then another possibility or another decision that seems more likely they will choose to act more aggressively because of the inability to accept the risks that occur.

In fact there will  never be a better situation if you have that perspective on gambling, simply put when you lose you will be curious and when you win you will be addicted, so it's actually a cycle for people who are already into addiction. For the rich themselves it obviously seems to be true that a good financial situation will not make them act excessively, the logic is as you said that by having many sources of income then obviously at first glance I already know that most likely they come just to fill their empty time along with seeking entertainment, while the poor have a purpose that is not recommended, as I said that the situation factor is the cause.
1740  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can I ask for refund if casino game has bugs? on: December 17, 2023, 05:06:10 PM
I think if an ANN of that casino site is on this forum then if the op doesn't get his refund even after talking to the casino site support he can open a scam association topic to check how true his story is and what site he was scammed by. will go And others will be wary of them. If he is using a reputable casino site then he can definitely expect to get his money back but if he comes across a scam site then he can't expect to get his money back. So getting his money back depends on what kind of site he gambled on
All casino platform have high system working and impossible they have bug, how possibility with casino have been operation for several years but still has bug exactly when have user success got jackpot with much profitable earned. Usually when put small amount easily to win or get jackpot but difference case when bet with bigger mount. I agree with your when any casino platform ask refund due bug system we can make post on scam accusation about how cheating from casino platform for user got jackpot.
I think not any bug or way how to cheat in casino platform just depend on our luck or not, but good ideas when getting jackpot don't hold the fund and withdraw its as soon possible.

Even so, it doesn't mean it's impossible that there will always be some casinos that experience some bugs in the systems they have, it's things out of control that can happen some kind of error due to lack of maintenance on the systems they have. One of the reasons why it is quite easy to get a win with a small amount compared to a much larger amount and that can definitely make gamblers smile is because casinos implement a randomization system that makes things difficult for gamblers but easy for the casino itself especially in terms of making whales who gamble with the amount lose.

The purpose of the casino is to profit from the number of gamblers who lose and if there are some who play with large amounts then obviously it will usually be the target of the casino to drain the budget they carry, but if you do manage to get a certain amount of winnings especially large amounts but on the other hand you cannot withdraw because there are some obstacles that seem to complicate the withdrawal process then I think you can feature the service to ask about it for further stages, To be honest I usually get through it and manage to make a withdrawal after a few conditions are met, after all it is a jackpot that is purely won by the gambler, it doesn't matter if there is a bug or not but certainly the casino should not have a problem with this because they have an obligation to pay the winner.
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