Edit: On a second look perhaps the quoted author is merely throwing that sentence out there as commentary? Maybe it is this that is the heart of the matter. it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science.
Yet as we see in The Limits of Science reason cannot ever answer all questions. Faith without reason is impossible to avoid. The apriori cannot be escaped. I believe the heart of the matter is very simply the following: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And you think I rejected the 'God' existence just like that? The intricacy of the world, the evolution of the universe, galaxies, the violent
creation and destruction that has been going on for billions of years, leads me to believe that there is absolutely no design behind the universe we live in. The life on Earth is not special, there is probably life elsewhere in the universe.
Looks like we have quite a few billions of years to go in this universe, so rest assured there is or will be life elsewhere.
The universe started with a violent explosion and it will probably end with a violent crunch. And the cycle will start again with a different set of physical constants.
Of course there is probability that 'higher power' might exist. The odds are about the same as the odds of winged horses or unicorns to exist.
Again, in matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. The odds may be the same of a winged horse existing, they may not be. One thing is for certain however, neither you or I know, and that is what agnosticism is all about. Simply realizing the fact that you nor I have the answer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The big Bang theory looks much more persuasive than a fairy tale called the Bible. It seems to me that this is similar to what you'd be offered a ride in the first Ford and don't drive new cars because they did not have before.
Another person who thinks I'm talking about the Bible... yay. Atheist and Agnostic are just labels. I think God/higher power does not exist with 99.9999% probability, I do believe God/higher power might exist with 0.0001% probability. So technically I am an Agnostic. I give you that. By this definition all people who do not believe in higher power are Agnostics. I do not believe in the God of Bible/Quran/Talmud and all other books written by people, those Gods do not exist with 100%
probability as those ancient stories are completely bat shit crazy. That is very easy to prove.The other (not from the holy books) 'higher power/undefined God essence' is harder to prove or disprove as there is no evidence. |
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Every time I comment on this thread the first person to respond to me thinks that I'm talking about Christianity and the god that they recognize, and it pisses me off. I'm not talking about Christianity, Islam, or fucking Hinduism. I'm talking about the idea of some sort of higher power/being or "god", and the absolute fact that you cannot say for certain as you proclaim there is a god or there is no god. Please, please, please read this. Stop right now and take away all of your preconceptions about me, religion and agnosticism. Please just read this devoid of emotion and tell me if it doesn't make sense. Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, 'Try all things, hold fast by that which is good'; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
My beliefs are solely based off the logic that is explained in this quote. Please don't call yourself an atheist (as I'm assuming you do) and instead take to the agnostic position, as any logical person would have to do. It's a beautiful philosophy to live by: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him. Do not twist the issue. There is absolutely no evidence that any supernatural being exists or ever existed. All the religious dogmas are just pure, utter nonsense. If you want to have an honest, philosophical discussion about 'higher power/force', ok, fine here is one thing you have to remember: There is no time for 'God' to exist in before the Big Bang. So rest assured there is no God before the Big Bang. And nobody ever detected any 'God/higher power' in this reality, so whatever you are basing your 'agnostic' position on is based on your dreams and wishful thinking. You didn't acknowledge what I said. Please read again. In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. Just because it's never been detected doesn't mean no one ever will. That's just common sense, right? Nothing is ever discovered until it's... discovered, no? Also, your assumption about the big bang being the very beginning is only that... an assumption. Others have made assumptions too that go against that theory. http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/13-starting-pointAnd you think I rejected the 'God' existence just like that? The intricacy of the world, the evolution of the universe, galaxies, the violent creation and destruction that has been going on for billions of years, leads me to believe that there is absolutely no design behind the universe we live in. The life on Earth is not special, there is probably life elsewhere in the universe. Looks like we have quite a few billions of years to go in this universe, so rest assured there is or will be life elsewhere. The universe started with a violent explosion and it will probably end with a violent crunch. And the cycle will start again with a different set of physical constants. Of course there is probability that 'higher power' might exist. The odds are about the same as the odds of winged horses or unicorns to exist. |
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BADecker would argue that DNA proof and radio carbon dating is a lie like all science.
The joke is that U. S. Christians feel superior. That type of superiority causes some of the worst hatred and crimes against humanity imaginable. Years ago when I was a kid, my mother knew a sweet little old white woman that looked like a TV representation of the perfect grandmother. I actually overheard her tell my mother that lynching black people shouldn't be a crime because god said all the animals on the earth are for man to use any way he wants to. That scared the crap out of me. I really think she would believe eating black people is perfectly fine because they're just animals.
I don't believe BADecker would argue this. The radio carbon dating process is extremely accurate. The thing that is foolish is thinking that C-14 was always in abundance throughout the world as it is now. Imagine that there was no C-14 being created prior to 5,000 years ago. Why imagine this? Because nobody knows whether or not C-14 was being created 5,000 years ago. Since nobody knows, and nobody knows whether or not C-14 was being created in the same quantities, down through the ages, as it is now, there is no way to determine through the C-14 "count" how old anything is. Carbon dating is 100% guess beyond 2 or 3 thousand years ago. The process is flawless. What we base the process on is unknown.  That's what I mean. There's always some bullshit argument why the earth is only 5000 years old, dinosaurs never existed, a boat built of wood with hand tools could support two of every creature on earth, evoulation is wrong and the whole list of Christian circular arguments and assumptions. Read this: http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Contents.htmYou won't read it because the truth scares Christians like nothing else in the world. What? Now you think the Earth is 5,000 years old? Come on. We have pottery and writings on clay that we can date back 4,500 years without carbon dating. Stick to the carbon dating point. Nobody knows the amounts of C-14, the ingredient used in carbon dating, that was in existence beyond 5,000 years ago. And even the amounts that existed 2500 years ago are almost complete guestimations. Without knowing these things, there is absolutely no way to use carbon dating to date anything accurately. What you are doing is trying to hide the fact that this is so, by clouding the carbon dating issue with the idea of religion. Therefore, thank you for helping to prove and advance the point that carbon dating tells us nothing about the age of the Earth. Christian circular arguments and assumptions. Atheism ignorance of the facts of science. Technically correct. Atheism is the lack of belief of a god. Just like theists claim they know for certain there is a god, atheists claim they know for certain there is no god, they're on exact opposites of the spectrum, but they are on the same spectrum of "beliefs" or "viewpoints". Being an atheist is just as illogical as being a theist. The only viewpoint I can see as logical is agnosticism, the absolute fact that humanity has never and currently does not know whether or not some form of higher being or "god" exists. I think a lot of atheists would label themselves as agnostics, they just don't for whatever reason. There is strong evidence that God did not create the universe in 6 days, and that Earth is not 6000 years old, and that God did not create man from dirt and a woman from men's rib bone. Not sure why would you think that a person who does not believe in any of the above, based on evidence, is acting illogically. Someone who believes in the above nonsense, is, well, not well. Every time I comment on this thread the first person to respond to me thinks that I'm talking about Christianity and the god that they recognize, and it pisses me off. I'm not talking about Christianity, Islam, or fucking Hinduism. I'm talking about the idea of some sort of higher power/being or "god", and the absolute fact that you cannot say for certain as you proclaim there is a god or there is no god. Please, please, please read this. Stop right now and take away all of your preconceptions about me, religion and agnosticism. Please just read this devoid of emotion and tell me if it doesn't make sense. Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, 'Try all things, hold fast by that which is good'; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
The results of the working out of the agnostic principle will vary according to individual knowledge and capacity, and according to the general condition of science. That which is unproved today may be proved, by the help of new discoveries, tomorrow. The only negative fixed points will be those negations which flow from the demonstrable limitation of our faculties. And the only obligation accepted is to have the mind always open to conviction.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.”
― Thomas Henry Huxley
My beliefs are solely based off the logic that is explained in this quote. Please don't call yourself an atheist (as I'm assuming you do) and instead take to the agnostic position, as any logical person would have to do. It's a beautiful philosophy to live by: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic position, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him. Do not twist the issue. There is absolutely no evidence that any supernatural being exists or ever existed. All the religious dogmas are just pure, utter nonsense. If you want to have an honest, philosophical discussion about 'higher power/force', ok, fine here is one thing you have to remember: There is no time for 'God' to exist in before the Big Bang. So rest assured there is no God before the Big Bang. And nobody ever detected any 'God/higher power' in this reality, so whatever you are basing your 'agnostic' position on is based on your dreams and wishful thinking. |
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Wikipedia shouldn't be considered as something reliable clearly , Unlike Bible and the other books , the quran have only one version and didn't change since 1400 years so this is a reliable source instead of reading articles by people who probably don't know anything about the subject.
If we also think logically , saying that Islam is a religion of hate and there are more then 1.7 billion muslim out there , shouldn't you and me (and everyone else) be dead by now ?
That is the root cause of the problem. Islam ideology is locked in the 6th century thinking. Are you saying that a ideology created before cars, trucks, firearms, and gunpowder might possibly have problems once there were car bombs and machine guns? Religions in general are ridiculous in the modern world. This particular religion with its Sharia Law has not changed since the 6th century. I don't mind when people believe in some fairy Allah type of character. I have a problem when they say that stoning women is ok because they don't like you. Throwing gays off the building tops or burning people alive because they disagree with you etc. Such 'legal punishments' have no place in the 21st century, and I don't care that the character from their holy book came up with it (that is a batshit crazy idea in itself). Christians don't burn people alive anymore, so Muslims can do the same. Stop the insanity. Remove the fucking Sharia Law from this ideology. Make your Allah more like a 21st century political activist, not a 6th century goat herder. |
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Wikipedia shouldn't be considered as something reliable clearly , Unlike Bible and the other books , the quran have only one version and didn't change since 1400 years so this is a reliable source instead of reading articles by people who probably don't know anything about the subject.
If we also think logically , saying that Islam is a religion of hate and there are more then 1.7 billion muslim out there , shouldn't you and me (and everyone else) be dead by now ?
That is the root cause of the problem. Islam ideology is locked in the 6th century thinking. |
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... The whole, basic idea of Christianity and the Bible is this. God is infinitely stronger and more intelligent than people. People all over the world turned against God to their own hurt. God offers a way out of their impending destruction ... through Jesus salvation. Some people accept Jesus salvation. Accepting Jesus salvation doesn't make anybody righteous in the way he lives this life. Jesus salvation saves people for the New Universe God is making. There will be no imperfection in the New Universe. Think about this. There are only a small handful of people in recent years who have claimed to be over 120 years old. There are only about 3 or 4 who have claimed to have reached 200. People die. People need salvation from death. God is way stronger than people. He has offered Jesus salvation, the only way Forget the wrong things that people do. Aim for the thing that is important. Jesus salvation. Let me stop you right there (bolded sentence): God does not exist. Your religion of atheism goes against the proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Perhaps if you could come up with a way to rebut the info found in the links, what you say might have some strength. To simply say it, doesn't make it so. Saying it without proof makes what you say a religion. An honest answer to your question: "What created big bang, or what was there before the big bang?" is "I don't know", not "God did it". Same goes for the question: "How the universe will end?", is "I don't know". Although top theoretical physicists have suggested few possible outcomes. You are just making bunch of assumptions and conjectures instead of just to say: "I have no idea how the world was created.". It is ok to not know stuff.BTW, you have no idea what a scientific proof entails. |
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... The whole, basic idea of Christianity and the Bible is this. God is infinitely stronger and more intelligent than people. People all over the world turned against God to their own hurt. God offers a way out of their impending destruction ... through Jesus salvation. Some people accept Jesus salvation. Accepting Jesus salvation doesn't make anybody righteous in the way he lives this life. Jesus salvation saves people for the New Universe God is making. There will be no imperfection in the New Universe. Think about this. There are only a small handful of people in recent years who have claimed to be over 120 years old. There are only about 3 or 4 who have claimed to have reached 200. People die. People need salvation from death. God is way stronger than people. He has offered Jesus salvation, the only way Forget the wrong things that people do. Aim for the thing that is important. Jesus salvation. Let me stop you right there (bolded sentence): God does not exist. |
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God loves us all equally.
Makes me laugh. You know, stuff like... God wants this. God wants that. God wants x. God doesn't want you to do y. God is z. God isn't 2n+4. God loves p/q. God hates t - n/3. God will do 5 ± √4 if you do Σk=0ry - 3.3  What people are really saying when they say "God wants x", is " I want God to want x". But not being truthful and actually saying it. Isn't it interesting that everybody's God always wants the same thing they want? Isn't it interesting that anybody that believes in heaven has a self-signed certificate of guaranteed entry? It's as if they've custom built their own God to their own liking. These bespoke gods are a little like the smell of ones own farts. Everyone loves the smell of their own farts (their god), but other peoples farts (other gods) smell rancid.  It amazes me that people say they know what God wants. Some people have a direct line to God I guess. VIP membership I bet. |
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Yes, I do. I always believe in God . I can not see God but I can feel this fact when I say prayer to God . After praying, I will be better and more peaceful with everything I can do. Thanks God because you are always with me in everytime and everywhere.
Many people who suffer from dementia also present themselves such as Napoleon and believe in it. This does not mean that he is the Emperor of the French. So faith in God. I think it's a kind of dementia. However, once a person finds that God DOES exist, then lack of faith in God is shown to be the dementia. Any belief should be supported by evidence that you are on the right track. In the case of dementia you will not believe that you are Napoleon. In this you'll believe only you. What makes you believe in God? This is not supported by any evidence? Here are some links to both, the scientific proof, and overwhelming evidence that God exists. If you don't understand the science, you can easily see the evidence of nature. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380While the proof gives knowledge that God exists, why should I believe Him? In fact, how do I know that He is even talking to me? The history of the way the Bible came into existence makes it an impossible-to-have-happened book. Since the Bible is impossible, yet exists, it has been guided by God to be His Word to people. Those are not scientific nor proofs. |
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God is one, but people argue about their own perception.
What god is the one? There are like 4k+ gods... I don't know of which one do you speak of. Wrong. There is only one God. There are many descriptions of God. There are many idols. There are many people who suggest there are many gods. But there is only one God. And how do you know what your religion is correct? For me this is further proof that there is no God. All religious dogma invented by people and they have no scientific justification. Exactly! Imagine a scenario where two soldiers from the opposing armies are praying to the same God to help them win the battle. You have the following scenarios: 1. Both of them go into the battle and die after praying to the same God. Conclusion: God does not exist. 2. One of them dies the other survives after praying to the same God. Conclusion: God does not exist. 3. Both of them survive, but one army always wins so the God did not answer the prayers of one soldier. Conclusion: God does not exist. |
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an atheist who claims he would be foolish for atheists, because atheists believe that theis is a liar, the circumstances of this theis is a belief about the absolute spirit, while atheists believe that the absolute spirit was not there, but how do atheists talk about ideas? atheistic idea is also an absolute spirit she did not appear to be material but he think? then atheists believe that theis is a liar? try to look in the mirror for the atheists how that idea in your head with a spirit of absolute spirit
How do atheists talk about that idea? Simple, have you seen/heard or had any contact or evidence of that spirit or anything divine for that matter? Why not? Because a religion and it's teachings, no matter how big, are all an illusion. It's pretty simple when you think about it, just science wasn't that developed hundreds of years ago so people quite easily adopted religion as it had answers to the unexplainable. Give me any question you have and I can give you a logical answer on why is it wrong. you know Descartes ? he talk " cogito Ergu sum or I think ,therefore I am" . then how does an atheist say that god does not exist? and the spirit of the absolute spirit was an illusion? whereas when we think the spirit of the absolute spirit was playing naughty in the brain?, when atheists think like this then he has the answers that the neurons of the brain are working? But how can that be? Do you memperintahkan brain neurons work? it therefore "I said that the idea is the absolute spirit." have regarding the absolute spirit of God and theis, while atheists are also included in theis because they are not robots or computers, theis also have an idea There is no such thing as spirits or souls. I am an animal, just like you. We got here because of billions of years of evolution. Unknowns are just that: unknowns. Religious people equate unknowns with 'God' and stop investigating/thinking. For us unknowns, are things to be discovered and understood. That is the difference between us. then you know that it also theis atheist? If not then I would laugh out loud, I did not say that theis not always about religion? theis is a trust? If atheists do not believe in anything? then the atheist is an alien? , about evolution, and you say that man is an animal? how can you say that man is an animal? , Which category man is an animal is a foolish mistake to think, what difference does an atheist who does not believe in God but believe in evolution, and the human is an animal category terraced the Buddhist and Hindu religious teachings And then I very very like if atheis talk " God is death, And left his body ." , and I hope no one is proud to be an atheist but does not have a stake in science I don't even know where to start. First of all, try reading a biology book, or you've failed that class? Second, atheism isn't based on any religious teachings, duh, it's based on science and research... Human is an animal just as any other animal you see, but rather us having tail and claws and fur all over our bodies, we've adapted to the different surroundings and we've evolved intelligent, unlike most of other animals. no atheist would ever say that. where did u even get that from? But believing in something a sand human wrote a couple thousands of years ago is to be proud of? If atheism is not a religion, why read a biology book? The info in the biology book is part of the atheism dogma. The idea that a human is just a different kind of animal is another dogma of atheism. Atheism is simply a religion wherein its believers use their religious dogma to attempt to prove that atheism isn't a religion. Because a biology book contains the basic of animal evolution through time? I can't tell you to read a book for electro-engineering... What's wrong with you? ya like egg or chicken question first? I will answer the chicken because there is no( egg chicken )in question. if the atheist is not dogma, if the atheist is not about religion, why do atheists always spread his teachings? When karl marx said "religion is the opium." He possessed a strong reason to make argumemt it, he explained that people who are being oppressed in ninabobokan by religion, he is destined poor because the test of gods, but not in such a way, he's poor and oppressed because there is a large sucking. Atheists, too, the atheists speak as much as possible, and make a lot of people are frustrated, and most people are atheists only talk about no god, without understanding the importance of science and stomach because hungry Is this a riddle? Just write in your native language. We can help you translate your post into English. I speak 5 European languages, I am sure there are other people here who can translate into non-European languages. Did you say atheists don't understand science? yes, I questioned it! Most atheists argue not only important, they dnot donate their understanding and just argue without coachman, had too many thoughts of philosophers tetatapi nothing can merebuh better world I am sory , because shortage language I cannot speak for other atheists, but I can assure you I do understand science. I have a masters degree in electrical engineering so you can throw any string theory at me and it will stick. Science is making the world a better place. Progress has its side effects (pollution, overpopulation) but overall our lives are more comfortable than say 100 or 2000 years ago. Religious thinking hinders scientific progress. Science is based on Math and Logic. Religion is based on Literature. You cannot build new cell phones, computers, cars, airplanes using Religion. Religion is useless in the modern world. BTW, as science progresses the gap between philosophy/religion and science will widen. you're right in the modern world that religion is not important, but the will power of capital can oppress the people who do not have capital, people who do not have capital is not a cow squeeze. It is true that advances in technology have a major impact? but did you know that a certain part of the country are still many people who knew nothing about phonsel, computers, laptops and a plane? , To eat every day they are confused, the drawback is the one used by the people in a superpower, they employ the people of the world to 3 for the benefit of superpowers because they have the capital, people who bertheis assume this is a trial from God, but for atheists they are the fools, while for me the bourgeoisie and financiers are demons that suck and lick the sweat of all 3 countries Don't get me wrong. I do understand the appeal of religion, especially to poor and underprivileged. Religion gives them hope. I do understand that. You know what is the solution? Education! Religion will not solve your problems, unless you become a priest, then you can become a businessman and run your own franchise aka church. Life is a struggle. Capitalist system is the best system we've got. Most natural. Communism failed. Socialist systems also are quite inefficient and will die slowly. yes , capitalist system is the best system with exploring ecosistem , And destroyer nature , suck for mining gold , oil , mineral And deforestation The only superpower, and for the third country just get garbage. are u kidding me ? and you tell me to be a priest? LOLS ,I prefer to use bitcoin than gold, I prefer socialism and Communism, and I wish the war would happen again, I swear this forum in case of World War 3 rd,I will be stepping -3 heads of the superpowers You misunderstood, I said if you really want to use religion to help yourself, become a priest. A capitalist really. BTW, communism always turns into dictatorship so unless you are at the top, you'll suffer quite a bit and you'll be afraid to complain because if you do you'll disappear. I said in my previous post that pollution and overpopulation is a real problem. You think the communist system will not pollute your environment? You have no idea. |
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an atheist who claims he would be foolish for atheists, because atheists believe that theis is a liar, the circumstances of this theis is a belief about the absolute spirit, while atheists believe that the absolute spirit was not there, but how do atheists talk about ideas? atheistic idea is also an absolute spirit she did not appear to be material but he think? then atheists believe that theis is a liar? try to look in the mirror for the atheists how that idea in your head with a spirit of absolute spirit
How do atheists talk about that idea? Simple, have you seen/heard or had any contact or evidence of that spirit or anything divine for that matter? Why not? Because a religion and it's teachings, no matter how big, are all an illusion. It's pretty simple when you think about it, just science wasn't that developed hundreds of years ago so people quite easily adopted religion as it had answers to the unexplainable. Give me any question you have and I can give you a logical answer on why is it wrong. you know Descartes ? he talk " cogito Ergu sum or I think ,therefore I am" . then how does an atheist say that god does not exist? and the spirit of the absolute spirit was an illusion? whereas when we think the spirit of the absolute spirit was playing naughty in the brain?, when atheists think like this then he has the answers that the neurons of the brain are working? But how can that be? Do you memperintahkan brain neurons work? it therefore "I said that the idea is the absolute spirit." have regarding the absolute spirit of God and theis, while atheists are also included in theis because they are not robots or computers, theis also have an idea There is no such thing as spirits or souls. I am an animal, just like you. We got here because of billions of years of evolution. Unknowns are just that: unknowns. Religious people equate unknowns with 'God' and stop investigating/thinking. For us unknowns, are things to be discovered and understood. That is the difference between us. then you know that it also theis atheist? If not then I would laugh out loud, I did not say that theis not always about religion? theis is a trust? If atheists do not believe in anything? then the atheist is an alien? , about evolution, and you say that man is an animal? how can you say that man is an animal? , Which category man is an animal is a foolish mistake to think, what difference does an atheist who does not believe in God but believe in evolution, and the human is an animal category terraced the Buddhist and Hindu religious teachings And then I very very like if atheis talk " God is death, And left his body ." , and I hope no one is proud to be an atheist but does not have a stake in science I don't even know where to start. First of all, try reading a biology book, or you've failed that class? Second, atheism isn't based on any religious teachings, duh, it's based on science and research... Human is an animal just as any other animal you see, but rather us having tail and claws and fur all over our bodies, we've adapted to the different surroundings and we've evolved intelligent, unlike most of other animals. no atheist would ever say that. where did u even get that from? But believing in something a sand human wrote a couple thousands of years ago is to be proud of? If atheism is not a religion, why read a biology book? The info in the biology book is part of the atheism dogma. The idea that a human is just a different kind of animal is another dogma of atheism. Atheism is simply a religion wherein its believers use their religious dogma to attempt to prove that atheism isn't a religion. Because a biology book contains the basic of animal evolution through time? I can't tell you to read a book for electro-engineering... What's wrong with you? ya like egg or chicken question first? I will answer the chicken because there is no( egg chicken )in question. if the atheist is not dogma, if the atheist is not about religion, why do atheists always spread his teachings? When karl marx said "religion is the opium." He possessed a strong reason to make argumemt it, he explained that people who are being oppressed in ninabobokan by religion, he is destined poor because the test of gods, but not in such a way, he's poor and oppressed because there is a large sucking. Atheists, too, the atheists speak as much as possible, and make a lot of people are frustrated, and most people are atheists only talk about no god, without understanding the importance of science and stomach because hungry Is this a riddle? Just write in your native language. We can help you translate your post into English. I speak 5 European languages, I am sure there are other people here who can translate into non-European languages. Did you say atheists don't understand science? yes, I questioned it! Most atheists argue not only important, they dnot donate their understanding and just argue without coachman, had too many thoughts of philosophers tetatapi nothing can merebuh better world I am sory , because shortage language I cannot speak for other atheists, but I can assure you I do understand science. I have a masters degree in electrical engineering so you can throw any string theory at me and it will stick. Science is making the world a better place. Progress has its side effects (pollution, overpopulation) but overall our lives are more comfortable than say 100 or 2000 years ago. Religious thinking hinders scientific progress. Science is based on Math and Logic. Religion is based on Literature. You cannot build new cell phones, computers, cars, airplanes using Religion. Religion is useless in the modern world. BTW, as science progresses the gap between philosophy/religion and science will widen. you're right in the modern world that religion is not important, but the will power of capital can oppress the people who do not have capital, people who do not have capital is not a cow squeeze. It is true that advances in technology have a major impact? but did you know that a certain part of the country are still many people who knew nothing about phonsel, computers, laptops and a plane? , To eat every day they are confused, the drawback is the one used by the people in a superpower, they employ the people of the world to 3 for the benefit of superpowers because they have the capital, people who bertheis assume this is a trial from God, but for atheists they are the fools, while for me the bourgeoisie and financiers are demons that suck and lick the sweat of all 3 countries Don't get me wrong. I do understand the appeal of religion, especially to poor and underprivileged. Religion gives them hope. I do understand that. You know what is the solution? Education! Religion will not solve your problems, unless you become a priest, then you can become a businessman and run your own franchise aka church. Life is a struggle. Capitalist system is the best system we've got. Most natural. Communism failed. Socialist systems also are quite inefficient and will die slowly. |
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an atheist who claims he would be foolish for atheists, because atheists believe that theis is a liar, the circumstances of this theis is a belief about the absolute spirit, while atheists believe that the absolute spirit was not there, but how do atheists talk about ideas? atheistic idea is also an absolute spirit she did not appear to be material but he think? then atheists believe that theis is a liar? try to look in the mirror for the atheists how that idea in your head with a spirit of absolute spirit
How do atheists talk about that idea? Simple, have you seen/heard or had any contact or evidence of that spirit or anything divine for that matter? Why not? Because a religion and it's teachings, no matter how big, are all an illusion. It's pretty simple when you think about it, just science wasn't that developed hundreds of years ago so people quite easily adopted religion as it had answers to the unexplainable. Give me any question you have and I can give you a logical answer on why is it wrong. you know Descartes ? he talk " cogito Ergu sum or I think ,therefore I am" . then how does an atheist say that god does not exist? and the spirit of the absolute spirit was an illusion? whereas when we think the spirit of the absolute spirit was playing naughty in the brain?, when atheists think like this then he has the answers that the neurons of the brain are working? But how can that be? Do you memperintahkan brain neurons work? it therefore "I said that the idea is the absolute spirit." have regarding the absolute spirit of God and theis, while atheists are also included in theis because they are not robots or computers, theis also have an idea There is no such thing as spirits or souls. I am an animal, just like you. We got here because of billions of years of evolution. Unknowns are just that: unknowns. Religious people equate unknowns with 'God' and stop investigating/thinking. For us unknowns, are things to be discovered and understood. That is the difference between us. then you know that it also theis atheist? If not then I would laugh out loud, I did not say that theis not always about religion? theis is a trust? If atheists do not believe in anything? then the atheist is an alien? , about evolution, and you say that man is an animal? how can you say that man is an animal? , Which category man is an animal is a foolish mistake to think, what difference does an atheist who does not believe in God but believe in evolution, and the human is an animal category terraced the Buddhist and Hindu religious teachings And then I very very like if atheis talk " God is death, And left his body ." , and I hope no one is proud to be an atheist but does not have a stake in science I don't even know where to start. First of all, try reading a biology book, or you've failed that class? Second, atheism isn't based on any religious teachings, duh, it's based on science and research... Human is an animal just as any other animal you see, but rather us having tail and claws and fur all over our bodies, we've adapted to the different surroundings and we've evolved intelligent, unlike most of other animals. no atheist would ever say that. where did u even get that from? But believing in something a sand human wrote a couple thousands of years ago is to be proud of? If atheism is not a religion, why read a biology book? The info in the biology book is part of the atheism dogma. The idea that a human is just a different kind of animal is another dogma of atheism. Atheism is simply a religion wherein its believers use their religious dogma to attempt to prove that atheism isn't a religion. Because a biology book contains the basic of animal evolution through time? I can't tell you to read a book for electro-engineering... What's wrong with you? ya like egg or chicken question first? I will answer the chicken because there is no( egg chicken )in question. if the atheist is not dogma, if the atheist is not about religion, why do atheists always spread his teachings? When karl marx said "religion is the opium." He possessed a strong reason to make argumemt it, he explained that people who are being oppressed in ninabobokan by religion, he is destined poor because the test of gods, but not in such a way, he's poor and oppressed because there is a large sucking. Atheists, too, the atheists speak as much as possible, and make a lot of people are frustrated, and most people are atheists only talk about no god, without understanding the importance of science and stomach because hungry Is this a riddle? Just write in your native language. We can help you translate your post into English. I speak 5 European languages, I am sure there are other people here who can translate into non-European languages. Did you say atheists don't understand science? yes, I questioned it! Most atheists argue not only important, they dnot donate their understanding and just argue without coachman, had too many thoughts of philosophers tetatapi nothing can merebuh better world I am sory , because shortage language I cannot speak for other atheists, but I can assure you I do understand science. I have a masters degree in electrical engineering so you can throw any string theory at me and it will stick. Science is making the world a better place. Progress has its side effects (pollution, overpopulation) but overall our lives are more comfortable than say 100 or 2000 years ago. Religious thinking hinders scientific progress. Science is based on Math and Logic. Religion is based on Literature. You cannot build new cell phones, computers, cars, airplanes using Religion. Religion is useless in the modern world. BTW, as science progresses the gap between philosophy/religion and science will widen. |
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Simple ban islam, if you cant have a peaceful region then dont have one.
May sound bad but this is the fix.
They will go underground and it will be harder to spy on them. You have to educate people in the Middle East as this is where this ideology originates. There are similarities between Islamist terrorist networks and criminal gangs. You probably can use the same techniques to fight it. |
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The real question is: "Can you be good with a bronze age or 6th century God?" I think good people will be good despite their Gods. The answer is, since God created all things, He also created the natural goodness that you might have, in you. Consider the bad guy... the real bad guy... a guy who goes around killing and stealing and raping and doing every other bad thing. As long as he is alive, he will do good now and then. He has a few people who are friends. He might even do the good of giving his life up for his friends when necessary. Good is something God put in us all when He made nature. Goodness in us is a evolutionary quality. We needed to co-operate with others in order to survive. Even today we have to do that. Being nice to people will get you the same in return (most likely, but not always). So on average, being nice will be beneficial to your survival. There are those of us that chose a different way to survive, they kill everything in their path in order to survive. The fact that most people are not like that shows you that the genes of the bad guys were not propagated at the same rate as the genes of good people. Since evolution has been proven to not exist, probably all the things you say are false. Some of them might look like they are true. But coming from a false understanding like yours, makes them all false. Small correction. The evolution theory is a scientific fact. Look it up. The PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is overwhelming. Unlike your God. inb4 BADecker posting his 4 links to his own posts as an evidence of gods existance. When I state that the links or the information in them are proof, I am only stating such in a shortcut way. The info in the links is to show you that proof exists. Then you can find the info all over the place, and prove it to yourself. If you don't go outside and look at the blue sky, nobody will be able to prove that it is blue to you no matter how hard they try.
I remember the last time one of my friends said the doesn't BELIEVE in evolution but he believes in god, and then since one friend there was a biology student, he went on to explain him the whole process of evolution from unicellular organisms, over Fern, to the todays organisms.
Often science fiction writers write alone. Sometimes they have 2 or 3 of them writing together. The details can be very good. But when you get thousands of writers writing science fiction such as evolution, the details can be simply fabulous. Doesn't make it true. Only shows the great imaginations of the sci-fi writers... and in the case of that sci-fi biology friend, the students. EDIT: After all, the evolution sci-fi writers tell you that evolution is sci-fi. How? Evolution is still theory. They have been truthful in that way, by not bringing it into the realm of fact, because it isn't fact. When you research all the reasons why evolution can't be fact, you see that evolution is only fiction. It is not science fiction. Go to the museums, examine the artefacts. http://www.tripbase.com/blog/10-evolution-exhibits-that-will-blow-your-mind/http://humanorigins.si.edu/ |
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...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.
Yep. My opinion is it deserves the bad name. If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car. So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority. It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts. Islam propagates violence, and it does so in huge amounts. as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge. your example about the car is not right. the car is Islam the driver is Muslim if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver Islam is the thoughts in his brain. From his perspective he is doing the right thing (for Allah and Islam). He thinks he is a good person. Islam enables this thought process. "Allahu Akbar", in case you forgot. "To die for the cause is a privilege". "Allah has chosen you to be his soldier." etc. Your car has many unsafe features, for example the Sharia Law, that must be removed before your car can be allowed on the roads outside of the Middle East. with do all respect, if you cant see the different between good and evil, its not the fault of the Islam and you also didnt read my replys about this also, i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect.... but they dont read the QURAN, with reading i mean read and understanding it With all do respect, Sharia Law is a moral code of lunatics. With all do respect, do you agree that the penalty for leaving Islam should be death? Yes or No? Are you sure you know Quran and Islamic teachings? The correct answer to kill apostates according to your FUCKED up religion. Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist." Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate." Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle." Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'" Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice. Sahih Bukhari (11:626) - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses'." Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe, who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" - upon finding out that grammatical changes could be made. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina). al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head." Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate). THANK YOU for showing me again there are people who doesnt read the Quran , yet they still have opinion. I am gonna try to answer your question , if you answer this : did you read the Quran , the whole Quran  ? or do you only copy & paste btw i am only defent my book the QURAN i dont beleave in hadiths orso ... With all do respect, do you agree that the penalty for leaving Islam should be death? Yes or No?first the Quran says there is no compulsion in religion (There is) no compulsion in the religion.....http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/256/default.htmmy answers with capital letter NO, I have no right to judge an other HUMAN BEEN, everyone is responsible for his own actions. you quoted from Quran : Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."but why did you not quote the rest it doesnt fit your idea's of this religion or do you even read it yourself ?? or just you do only copy paste .... i shall quote and explain it to you: Quran (4:90) - "Unless it be such [of them] as have ties with people to whom you yourselves are bound by a covenant, or such as come unto you because their hearts shrink from [the thought of] making war either on you or on their own folk - although, if God had willed to make them stronger than you, they would certainly have made war on you. Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them..this verse has decented when the prophet were alive and he was in WAR with his hypocrited enemy. you quoted from Quran : Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."first of all this chapter ( ayaat) is talking about the hypocrites, the real enemy of the Islam. and again you didnt post the verses after this verse , but i will do it for you: Quran (9:13) - "Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths, and obsessed to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Are you concerned about them? It is God who is more deserving that you be concerned with if you are believers.how can you today expel the messenger ?? not , again this verses came when the prophet were alive... and this shows you this is selfdefense. but you will not see it , cause you are searching negative and you will never find it if you are negative and the rest is bullshit , some man made rules is not the words of God(Allah). but what pity is , even some Muslims sees like your sights. pity SLM You cannot be that stupid. You can read it so I assume you have some education. How in the world did you come up to the conclusion that Quran is a word of God and the hadiths are not. Because someone wrote it is??? Quran was written by people!!!! You little twit. If you agree with the Sharia Law, you are a despicable human being. You cannot possibly believe in winged horses!!!! How stupid and gullible you have to be to believe in this shit? You are like Christians who believe in good parts of the New Testament and ignoring all the juicy stuff the Old Testament has to offer. |
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Everyone should help in the demolition of ISIS. Its not only the US even though it was through them that ISIS emerged
You will not win with guns only. You need to re-write Quran, remove/outlaw Sharia Law, remove all the military verses, pedophilia, killing of people for no reason, remove the 6th century moral code, make it a religion of peace, love your neighbor, want to leave Islam, no problem, type of religion. Ideally, people will eventually evolve to drop this ancient religious nonsense, but until then you need to provide a 'replacement treatment' for those 2 billion people who are currently affected by this addiction. |
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The real question is: "Can you be good with a bronze age or 6th century God?" I think good people will be good despite their Gods. The answer is, since God created all things, He also created the natural goodness that you might have, in you. Consider the bad guy... the real bad guy... a guy who goes around killing and stealing and raping and doing every other bad thing. As long as he is alive, he will do good now and then. He has a few people who are friends. He might even do the good of giving his life up for his friends when necessary. Good is something God put in us all when He made nature. Goodness in us is a evolutionary quality. We needed to co-operate with others in order to survive. Even today we have to do that. Being nice to people will get you the same in return (most likely, but not always). So on average, being nice will be beneficial to your survival. There are those of us that chose a different way to survive, they kill everything in their path in order to survive. The fact that most people are not like that shows you that the genes of the bad guys were not propagated at the same rate as the genes of good people. Since evolution has been proven to not exist, probably all the things you say are false. Some of them might look like they are true. But coming from a false understanding like yours, makes them all false. Small correction. The evolution theory is a scientific fact. Look it up. The PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is overwhelming. Unlike your God. |
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So please, put away your flat, 6000 years old Earth, the Great Flood and that 'a man created from dirt, a woman from a rib bone' nonsense to rest.
Since there is nothing but theory that contradicts the Bible record, and since theory is not known to be fact, go with the Bible record rather than the unknown. Appealing to biblical authority with people who don't accept the bible as authoritative is pretty silly. It's the worst sort of pointless circular logic. The problem with this is that it is actually known 90% of the stuff in the Bible is plainly untrue, it is not methaporicaly said, it is not an allegory It's just stuff that isn't true The whole Old Testament was written prior to 2400 years ago. The fact of the age of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are from about 400 B.C., shows that the O.T. is similar today, to what it was back then. Using scientific extrapolation, odds are that the O.T. is similar all the way back to the times that each book was written. Yet, there is a symmetry in the whole thing that makes it look like it was written at the same time, even though it was written over hundreds of years. The point is, for this to have happened, means that there was a Guide to making it happen - God. In addition, The people who wrote it and copied it so accurately shows that it was real enough so that they understood the importance of it. The Bible is true. If it weren't, it would have perished long ago, and if we had any copies at all, they would be museum pieces. Rather, because of the greatness of the Bible, the greatest nations on earth have become great through following it. God has made them great because they respected Him enough to hold His Word important and sacred in their hearts. "The people who wrote it and copied it so accurately" wrong, simply because it's very hard to really accurately translate and copy a certain book or text through more than 1000 years, so who knows what has changed and what the original bible chapters looked like. and why is the bible as a book so great? is it maybe because christianity is the biggest religion in the world and there's influence of it on every continent? and before you ask, christianity wasn't spread around that peacefully, specially on Nordic peninsula and Americas and Africa which was colonised. "the greatest nations on earth have become great through following it." Name one. +1 I do not think BSDecker types studied the history of their cult. Most of Europe was 'Christianized' by force, sword and fire. Never mind Africa and Americas. How many native Indians (North and South American) had to die for the rest of them to accept Christ :-) What ISIS is doing is nothing comparing to what the Christian crusaders did to native populations around the world. BADecker, you want to learn what your Christian comrades did to the natives, read: https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-United-States/dp/0060838655 |
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What makes [religious] beliefs extremely dangerous, is its ability to override common sense, and then to enforce its own illogicality as non-questionable law on each and every believer, whilst fostering discrimination against all non-believers.
Right on sister. There is danger in believing science theory as truth. It turns the idea of science into a religion, when science should only be the gathering of knowledge. Then all those science theory religion believers discriminate against believers of other religions, because they are non-believers to them. Religion is based on Arts (literature). Science is based on Mathematics (statistics, calculus, algebra, probability, geometry etc.). Scientific theories are developed using Math. They are validated (or invalidated) in the lab. There is no faith involved. Religious dogma was developed by people to control other people.I urge you to learn more about science before you speak about it. New scientific theories are being developed as we speak. If your belief system is based on the fact that something is mysterious and unknown therefore it must be God, get ready for this belief system to be shaken to its core. If you think God is behind the Big Bang, be prepared to move your God concept further into unknown. Earth is spinning on its axis, it goes around the Sun, Solar system is a vortex and it moves through space, our galaxy is moving away from other galaxies, the whole universe is expanding at ever increasing rate, it is being pushed away by Dark Energy. All of that has been observed and confirmed. So please, put away your flat, 6000 years old Earth, the Great Flood and that 'a man created from dirt, a woman from a rib bone' nonsense to rest. |
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