Bye weeks are upon us - check your rosters and don't forget to set your wire picks today  |
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LOL Raiders pissed the game away as usual.
Anyway, I was worried for nothing, I got 15 points just from first downs.
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Me an Chi are having the most pathetic match of the week and even though I only need 14 points today, it would be very on-script if I failed to get that much.  |
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Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?
It's the same old Soviet junk that Russia is planning to win the war with, or better. I still don't know why you're so obsessed with tanks - or only specific brands of tanks - as if that constitutes a worse threat to Russia than e.g. HIMARS, but Russia already lost a shitload of tanks (being captured or destroyed by Ukraine) and can't make anymore, so it doesn't really take a math genius to see where the balance shifting. Sure let's extend all this effort for a high probability of a worse outcome? Worked so great in Afghanistan and Libya right?
I think you've missed the point. There is no "good" outcome. Let's say Putin takes Ukraine. Then he wants Poland. The whole thing starts over, just much worse. Right how mobilized Russians with previous combat experience could possibly compare with super mega ultra warrior conscripts of Ukraine and super sober uber special forces of the 8th? mobilization wave of Ukraine?  Not the best of your straw people. I'm talking about the Russian forces. The 200k invasion army was supposedly better trained and better equipped and had other advantages like robust air support and still functioning supply lines. What happened to those soldiers? No one cares, let's throw another 300k into it, just with less of everything, and see how that works out. Maybe shift some generals around, yeah, that'll do it. |
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It would be very helpful if you'd educate yourself on a subject before commenting. Or you should let Z know that they need to stop asking for tanks as their highest priority. Putin is not bluffing about retaliating with a nuke.
Retaliating for what? Ukraine has been getting tanks, AFV/IFV, artillery, SAM and other missiles, and a bunch of other stuff from NATO countries for many months now. But sending some additional tanks now would justify a nuclear response? Rhetorical question BTW. It wouldn't. Trying to spin into "Ukrainians fault for getting nuked" is still as absurd as it always was. Sure, technically he can also decide just to gift Crimea to UA again on Z's birthday, and many other things, by why would he? I understand that propaganda would like everyone to think that RU can just turn around, drink some tea at home and everything goes back to normal, but everyone realizes that backing out would mean dissolution of RU as we know it, there is no off ramp for Russia on this.
All other things being equal, losing the war would result in the same or worse outcome, except after more months or years of costly war. That's why mobilization and talks about nukes, that's what an existential threat means, RU has no choice but stand till the end on this one way or the other), hypothetically even if for some reason Putin goes mad and decides just to say sorry and turn the troops around, as was discussed previously, chances are there would be a military coup and a military general or a communist take over that same day.
Oh no, the horror, the dictator could be replaced, possibly with another dictator. How will we ever get over this. The illusion that there's some opposition in Russia that is anti-war, green, liberal, and EU loving second in line waiting to jump in, is just that, an illusion. Now Biden on the other hand, can deescalate any time he wants (lack of new significant military commitments is an indication to me that he already started)
Lend-lease just barely started. That's about as big of a commitment as it gets. RU is just going through it's first partial mobilization but sure i have no problem admitting that RU's regular military force was not enough to counter all of NATO's military equipment that's depleting US & EU stock with pretty much fully mobilized Ukraine.
That's quite pathetic, pretty much copypasta from Kremlins excuse list. After months of losing military equipment and personnel, Russia can't plug these holes with untrained cannon fodder. Mobilized drunks can't fly airplanes and can't make airplanes. The best they can do is get a rusty Kalash and shoot it the general direction of the enemy. We seem to be in between the denial and anger stages now. As things get more desperate for UA their attack will completely stall before reversing within a month or so. We'll enter the anger stage with more pointless attacks inside RU and more and more radical statements (about preemptive nukes, someone providing MAD assurances to UA etc...) and straight up radical accusations from Z and his team towards the west. If by January UA is still taking land from RU I'll fully agree that my assessment was wrong
Nuclear fantasies aside (again), Ukrainians have been bombing the shit out of Russian supply routes and depots etc for months now, while Russian response has fizzled. There is a reason they're using Iranian mopeds and had to modify C300 for surface-to-surface use and keep blatantly targeting high-density residential buildings. Let's see if you can figure that reason out before January. |
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without knowing it, they miss an opportunity to make a fortune
That's probably a good thing. Muggles looking "to make a fortune", particularly in "cryptocurrencies", are useless greedy fuckers. On the other hand, what do I care. Darwin will sort them out. |
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everyone knows what happens if US/EU escalates and sends tanks to UA.
What happens is that Russians start retreating. 200+ tanks have already been sent from the EU and NATO to Ukraine so it's not a hypothetical question like you're trying to make it sound. This means that support for Ukraine is being dropped and deescalation can finally begin.
Putin can deescalate any time he wants. Until then nothing is being dropped. Of course this is not good for UA government and they're well aware of this, ironically the only way out of this for them at this stage is a full nuke stand off
Funny how you kremlinists fantasize about nukes and yet are looking for ways to blame the other side for it. Just admit it that the conventional war is lost and get out of there while you can still save your country. Nuking Ukraine (and Russia in the process) is not going to win the war. This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing. It happened around 6am so appears that caution was taken to limit civilian casualties, this gives me hope that there won't be any mass scale IEDs on Russia to really push for a reply. Blowing up Russian supply lines is an important ongoing project for Ukrainian military and unlikely to have anything to do with desperation or some nuclear fantasies. But there is no Biden speech and no tweets from Polish politicians on the subject so your standards of proof are slipping. Are you sure the truck wasn't carrying sugar from Ryazan? |
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and you're trying to spin this as if he was talking in past tense, like as if he was answering what NATO should've done before Feb 24??
Given that this is again made up and not at all what I said, I think I'll leave it to your fantasies. Let's enjoy the birthday fireworks instead. |
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Best argument i can see here is perhaps google translate got it wrong too?
We're pretending now that you can't read Russian?  What he seems to be saying is that (unlike sanctions after invasion) pressure needs to be applied to Russia to discourage it from using nuclear weapons, and not wait until it uses them (like sanctions after invasion). FWIW I don't think that makes much sense because Putin is about as irrational as it gets and doesn't need a reason or discouragement to use or not to use nukes, but nowhere in that sentence does Zelensky call for a preemptive nuclear strike. He's talking about preventing a nuclear strike. You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou
I've never said or implied any of that, so it seems that you've ran out of arguments on the subject if you need to resort to making more shit up. I've pointed out that his office explained his position... whether he misspoke or was misunderstood or mistranslated or was just plain wrong - is irrelevant, and continuing to push the idea that he wants to start a nuclear war is absurd. And FFS make up your mind - is Zelia NATO/EU puppet, or is he puppeting NATO? As for his holiness: I've pointed out many times that Kremlin's obsession with Zelensky's persona and every word he says (or Kremlin makes up about him) doesn't make sense and seems to be based on Putin's "tsar" image. That's not how a real president's office - with term limits and whatnot - works. Zelensky will be gone and Ukraine will still not love Russia. Go figure. |
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Lol kyivpost really? Did you just give up on any attempts at finding any resemblance of an unbiased source? Sounds like desperate attempt at a damage control, could we get a full transcript of the speech in its original, shouldn't be too hard to translate and see what was really said
The source is not Kyiv Post, the source is the president's office. Given that Ukraine doesn't have nukes and Russia does and Putler never did any "damage control" on his threats to use them, the accusation that Zelensky is starting a nuclear war is about as absurd as all the other Kremlin fantasies. |
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But it would be phenomenal if Zelensky got this prize after his recent statements about NATO "preemptive strikes" against Russia.
Any reasonable person understands that such actions can lead to a nuclear apocalypse and the destruction of all life on the planet.
Quit making shit up. In a speech on Oct. 6, President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that NATO’s goal was to make it impossible for Russia to use nuclear weapons. He made a broad appeal, stating: “I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russians] know what will happen to them and not vice versa.”
Top Russian officials, including Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the foreign minister, and Dmitry Peskov, a spokesperson for the Kremlin, charged Zelensky with inciting nuclear war.
Trying to provide reassurance that Ukraine would never advocate the deployment of nuclear weapons, Zelensky’s spokesperson Serhii Nykyforov clarified that the president was in fact referring to precautionary sanctions to be implemented prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion.
“Colleagues, you have come a little far away with your nuclear hysteria and now you hear nuclear strikes even where that was not said. The president spoke about the period until February 24. Then it was necessary to apply measures to prevent Russia from starting a war. Let me remind you that the only measures that were discussed at that time were preventative sanctions,” Nykyforov stressed.
“Only the terrorist state of Russia allows itself to blackmail the world… and hint in every possible way at the use of nuclear weapons. You will never hear such calls from Ukraine,” he added.
Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the President’s Office, said that Zelensky didn’t mention anything about a preemptive nuclear strike and that it was just another Russian fake.
“Another Russian fake. Not a single word from Zelensky about a preemptive nuclear strike on the Russian Federation,” Podolyak said. “Zelensky just reminded listeners of Russian nuclear blackmail and suggested that the world preemptively outline the consequences for Russia and strengthen strikes against the Russian Federation – sanctions and armed assistance.
For his part, Russian president Vladimir Putin has already threatened the Ukrainian counteroffensive with nuclear weapons.
On Sep. 21, Putin made a veiled nuclear weapons reference, stating: “When its territorial integrity is threatened, Russia will use everything it can – this is not a bluff.”
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I tried to watch today's game, I really did. Unbearable puntfest. Even beer didn't fix it. I give up.
Fn god awful. I watched it just because I had money on Denver. Of course they end up letting me down. Wilson just does not look the same with the Broncos. Maybe it’s going to take some time to get acclimated with his receivers and what not but I dunno. Their offensive line was absolutely atrocious as well. Wilson seems to be treating this as his retirement. And I don't know who was responsible (don't say "analytics") for the gambler's fallacy "we've been thoroughly shit in red zone so we're surely due for a TD, let's just throw it down the middle" decision in OT but that was a fitting end to the game and a well-deserved loss for Broncos against an equally shitty team. |
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the "kobe bryant" bitcoin address. how much u guys think it's worth? maybe $10?
I see "brkryant", anyone can generate random garbage like that. It's probably worth somewhere between $0 and a red tag. |
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I tried to watch today's game, I really did. Unbearable puntfest. Even beer didn't fix it. I give up.
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He's anglosaxon
I don't know about that, he doesn't look 1000 years old. |
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Random hobos from bitchute aren't mad enough so you need a screaming clown from youtube to tell you that to think. |
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I've heard those who left were not even ethnic Russians
Makes no difference to anyone except perhaps some "ethnic Russians" to feel better about themselves. Massive numbers of (presumably working age) people leaving the country or being sent to feed the cannons will surely make Russia great again. |
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EDIT: The first video seemed to be propagated by Telegram channels from affilates of the Wagner group (Prigoshin). Rumors say that these kind of videos are used by Wagner to discredit Sergei Shoigu.
The hunt for internal enemies of the state is in full swing, this will be glorious. And some of the loudest voices demanding for "heads to roll" seem genuinely convinced that replacing some individuals (like Shoigu) would fix the problems, despite evidence pointing to systemic decades-long issues affecting every part of the military. As for Prigozhin... he's been flooding the intertubes with tales of his forces taking one town (Bahmut) for weeks now, making it seem like it's the only part of the military that's succeeding right now. Except the town has no strategic significance and they moved like 100 meters and the whole thing is likely a sham to get more funding for his PMC while the mobilized masses aren't getting even the basics. Russian oligarchy in a nutshell. |
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I think such kind of posts should not be allowed to be posted in the WO community as no one of the Muslim there posted any disrespectful post regarding any religion so why targeting Muslims.
You can throw some rocks at your monitor to make you feel better. |
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illusion that this is about some democracy
Angela Merkel's mobile phone
Georgia's oil pipeline
Ukrainian natural gas field
American cookies
You win the grand prize of Kremlin bingo - mogilization. |
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