It isn't just crap; it's another scam Bobby, ob, Robert. Another one. Caught on time? That's up to others to give the money away to scammers like you and the nazi though...

Indeed quite sad. For in your "almost a year here" you have witnessed the most incredible parade of scam projects and others riddled with all kinds of ineptitude and ALL, no exceptions, resulting in considerable losses for those like you blinded by the greed and ignorance.

s I have posted, I encourage everyone to check not just my post history but also special threads such as The Case of Pink Coin, and other search words such as "The Black Hand" and others. It will only add to the credibility -or not- of the individual. And, of course, both THE WALL OF HONOR and THE WALL OF SHAME, for adequate perspective.

The price of NXT has slumped and being dumped to 1/3 it's recent highs a few months ago. FACT. Yes, to every metric, the platform is as successful as it can be given the time span, and growing significantly: The definition of success... what's wrong with this picture? The ghost of the initial distribution, of course, is a clear influence -and, no doubt, the source of the dumping, elaborate but relentless- but, mostly, that NEXT is an intimidating, enormously complex project/platform. One would have to study it, through the tens of thousands of sources available, for YEARS to really get an understanding of what it is, what it does, what it can do, who is doing it and how the whole thing works and, supposedly, will continue to work. All without any single responsible (legally) institutions or real names behind it. Needless to say it, all of this is scary enough to have most people in crypto -and absolutely everyone outside of crypto- not wanting to touch it with a ten feet pole.

Thye great thing of the internet -and crypto- is that reputations, and the trails that support them-, are easily traceable. And yest, from the "Story of Bob Surplus" to everyone of his endeavors, he and what he does, is quite well known by anyone in crypto... except that the vast majority are way behind his game tactics, of course, so they keep giving him money again and again (except when I come on time, as in the case of EKN recently, and abort the plan immediately. Or when I blew the whole thing to smithereens on the BAY scam). My path is also very easily traceable all the way to my WALLS of HONOR and SHAME and with special detail in the uncovering of other scams such as BlackCoin and, more recently PinkCoin and SeedCoin (now defucnt)... which is where you, Boxxa, come in. Because you were part of Pink, among many others. And, as a matter of fact, integral part of my uncovering of their shady behind the scenes activities. So you are perfectly traceable too. And although straight, planned scams cannot be charged to you yet, to my knowledge, ya have shown a special knack to pick losers and outright scammers to associate with one way or another, again and again. As, in my opinion, is the case here.

First of all I like that you at least have semi-told people that this is a crypto coin only in name. In fact this is a public business -pretended, of course-, funded by that public and totally  controlled by the three of you. You need to come out much more clearly though. As in: THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS, FUNDED WITH PUBLIC MONEY, TOTALLY CENTRALIZED, IN WHICH THE THREE OF US ("THE TEAM") EXERCISE FULL AND ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING, FROM DECISION-MAKING TO MONEY DISTRIBUTION. And then, and only then, we will be really talking, ok?

Now, that fact that you guys choose Social Media Advertising as the source of revenue of your business, is laughable, of course. First because you have no idea whatsoever what social media advertising is, to begin with, and much less how to monetize it with any hope of a profitable future (there's none). Social media is controlled, of course, by the gatekeepers, exercising more control every time and leaving no place for any further intermediaries like SMAC pretends to be. The sites you are talking about, as "already monetized" are sites that will have no life beyond a few weeks, months at the very best. And even those with enormous potential liiability given that the graphic content is usually stolen -as in not paid for- so when Getty images comes suing guess who is liable? Furthermore, those sites are already off the grid in most cases because people got tired of clicking dozens of times pages that take several minutes to load all the ads only to find the "content" spread over more and more pages to pick up more fake clicks... No one will put up with that crap no more. Actually, no one does already.

But the kicker is you, boxxa. I am assuming you present your project to advertisers as you present it to the investors, with your meme as party of "the team", right? What do you think they will think -and do- when they find out that you only have a couple followers on twitter when you pretended to have as many as 9,000? Do you think they will believe anything you'll ever say... or anyone says on behalf of you or any "team" of which you are part of? Remember what I told you above about the "traceability"? How's this for traceability: https://www.twitteraudit.com/boxxa

I won't go on -although I could- on many other aspects of this new enterprise of yours that, again, is destined to bite the dust in the usual unceremoniously manner. No point in it. Those who want to give you their money already has and the rest, well, hopefully they will take realities into consideration. I will repeat to clarify: I don't think you are a scammer (although falsely multiplying you followers is not exactly proof of honesty); I do believe though that you are just a lazy bum in search of easy shortcuts at any (credibility) cost... and with quite extraordinary bad intuition for you seem to keep on betting just on losers. You are going to need to seriously increase your betting average -and clean up your act- if you can ever hope for any success. In crypto and in life. 

It is the other way around in fact: No one believing in this project is buying. And when someone does in any minimal amount, is immediately flooded with coins...

That isn't just NOT SECURE, that is actually a joke...

Strictly on the premise that there's no rule without exception, i would accept that. Now think for a moment... isn't that particular instance a case of simple, uncontroled hatred? Besides that, a donation in charity not policy. Question is what is in paycon for its developer? Not long ago he was quite literally licking Garza's ass begging for some donation crumbs...

The case if CLAMS? I'll suspend judgement for now until corroboration materializes, ok?

It isn't a matter of being open minded, but of looking at things the way they are. Let me explain it to you a bit. ICO: Lets say that you are selling 100k coins of your project in an ICO at 10k satoshis each, ok? demand reaches only to 5 BTC, so the only real money you get is those 5 BTC, you follow? But those 5 BTC only buy 50k, you still have 50k more to sell, right? so you sell them to yourself, hence you pay yourself 5 BTC. %BTC go from your right pocket to your left pocket while your "no premine" account now holds 50k coins that, effectively, have cost you absolutely nothing. Get the picture now? Even if you dump those 50k coins for half the "price" (5000 sat) you stil make 2.5 BTC clean profit. As you can see, any and ALL ICO's, no exception, as I wrote, are a simple and easy to spot scam. I repeat: No exceptions.

Now, for a developer to "earn money because they are working", sorry but no, that is NOT how it should work. Imagine launching a coin is a business, ok, let's say a restaurant, for example... number one, a LICENSE is required. Several permits and compliances are required. A very big investment is required. And a name and address of the person ultimately legally responsible. That "simple" business is full or risk and complexity and, no matter how successful, the one's putting up the money, let's say the sole owner who happens to be a chef, is not counting on ANY PROFITS in YEARS!!! And that is IF the business is successful... as opposed to 65% or more, on average, that result in net losses instead when the lack of success forces them to close doors. Are we getting the picture now? Most "devs" are just loser jerkoffs living in their parent's garages and with a very limited ability to code some sheet. Most "dev teams" also include some impossible to employ jerkoff -also living in the parent's garage-, who took some graphic design classes and has never been paid to work, not one single day. Those "teams" usually include also some "community manager" who is the proverbial jerkoff who never has worked a single day in his life, is a "professional" stoner, has a couple of outdated antminers and has spend the last 5 years of his life jerking off to websites of one kind or another. That's the picture of your average "dev team" in cryptoland which copy/pasted the code of Shadow Coin and launch their ICO, ok? And, naturally, they expect to be paid "for their work". Sorry but that's the reality. And that is why crypto is the land in disarray it is... and getting much worse every day.

If there was any capable developer, even loosely "honest", with a vision and a plan, real investors would flock en masse to support his or her project: Sorry but it doesn't exist. Not to my knowledge. I know of some that are somewhat capable (at least capable enough to know and admit that they are not very capable but are willing to hire capable people), but not a single one that is honest... not even in the loose sense of the term. If by any miracle you would find one somewhat capable and loosely honest, FOR SURE you would ALSO find in the same person an insufferable egomaniac with absolute no idea whatsoever of what a business plan is but still convinced beyond any doubt that he knows more than anyone else, no exceptions, of finances, business administration, promotion endeavors and feature development, so you would still be left with a maniacal idiot when everything is said and done, one holding all the power (and the kiss-ass disposition of all the major investors) over the project that YOU have financed. Like the picture? How's that as a recipe for success, ah?

And yet, people in general would be more than glad to give that person also a 5-10% premine of the project without hesitation, so he could "profit from his work" (which would be as "hard" as, at most, 30 minutes of coding sheet per day, most probably not even that.

So, as you can see, my mind is quite open. To see reality for what it is, not for what you want to delude yourself to believe it is.
 

It's the perfect fit indeed.

I hate to have to be the guy that always call it like it is but, in two words: DON'T BOTHER.  There's no "meeting" that is needed. And, fortunately, there are no distances nowadays either. What there is, in truckloads, is BULLSHIT. If a dev is interested, he doesn't need to "meet" anyone that he cannot text, call, skype, pm, etc from the farthest part of the world and not for more than half an hour to make a very quick and clear decision as if he wants to be involved and under which circumstances. The rest, ALL of the rest, is BULLSHIT by any name you may want to assign to it. And, most definitely, not worth pursuing, ok?

The other, very important, consideration you need to think about is why any dev worth his salt would want to be involved in a project like this... just use your brains and think a bit: How many "rescued by the community" projects you know that have been successful? That should clarify things a bit, don't you think? Back, again, to why any dev worth his salt would want to be involved in this rescue instead of, for instance, launch his own coin... think a couple of minutes about that. The community? it's minimal and quite shitty, let's call it what it is: They will sell (the have) even at these prices to salvage what amount to 50 dollars. And real solid members, you can count them with the fingers of both your hands... any outrageously evident scam that launches attracts tens of those and hundreds of the shitty ones. If not more. Why rescuing this one then?  The truth, the only truth, is that those 10 members -or less- hold a lot of coins and really want VIOR to be worth something some day. Because right now it is worth nothing. That's the only motive, nothing else. So they will pay for a dev, in worthless VIOR on a wing and a prayer. And, like many before them, will fail because, frankly, they cannot afford any decent dev... unless they are willing to pony up REAL, VALUABLE cash, fiat or BTC.

So, now that we have the REAL perspective, why don't "we" get the cash first and then offer someone that may be interested in it -there will be plenty, but not for long term commitment- to get this one back up an running again. Those interested will not need "meetings" nor excuses of foreign trips or other BS; they will get up and do it, get their money and on to the next one. VIOR doesn't need anyone beyond that either. What "we" need is to begin to call things by their real denominations. And go on from there.

Every single coin, except bitcoin, is conceived, designed and developed with a main purpose, regardless of features or anything  else: to make money for its developer. Andvthat money comes, logically, from the investirs. Not the real ones, mind you. The real ones buy large amounts directly from the developer at less than half the price you buy them from the exchanges. In the case of Bobsurplus and others, for free in many instances. Everything is done in the background. The regular individual investor has no chance and, in fact, is actually playing lotto... or russian roulette. Even when investing in established projects, such as NXT. All ICOS, by design, are scams. No exceptions: devs are putting their money from the right pocket and into the left one while keeping 90% or more of the coins and faking volume and investor interest to dump those free coins on noobs ... or cretins. Or both. The longer you hold the bigger the risk you are taking, of couse but, unless you are able to escape by pure luck with profits, you are just a mark. A walking target. A bagholder.

It is remarkable the orderly but massive sell off that is being taking place in NXT during the last few months... at a cost of 60% of the value of the project, of course.

Everything that can go right IS actually going right and yet the dumping is relentless, to the point that the market cannot assimilate it, no matter how good the news can be. Simply too many people selling... which we all know IS the main problem of this project: the distribution. Some or all of those 70-something people who hold 99.99% of the total NXT, are selling. Relentlessly if orderly. New investors, logically, have learn to stay away completely while the decline continues.

No good. Not good at all.

Everyone that wants to know, already does. Everything incoming is more than fully deserved.

That would be nice and dandy... except for two very simple things:

1.- You, dear Bobby, Bob, Robert, are the infamous Bobsurplus, so everyone knows what is going on when you appear.
2.- None of the peoples involved with either project have even the remotest idea of how social media advertising works... nor it is of actual significance for none of the two projects will even touch the space.

Other than that, naturally, everyone is more than free to throw away their money as they please...

Another "big success" in the making ah Boxxa???

You definitely have a knack for picking them....

It is really amazing that is has come to this (and comes to it again and again): If you don't CREATE volume, VIOR will lose it's ONLY value at the moment, which is his listing on  Bittrex. Have you smart holders of the coin ever heard of selling to yourselves?

ohhh emmm Geee....

I am fully done with this duck. You are welcome to throw away your money any way you see fit.

Ahhh "masternodes", the keyword of the last few days behind which to hide the BS. Just like "anon" was, just like "decentralized" was...

I thought this one had already been fully neutralized but I guess there are still a few wishful thinkers hanging around... oh well...

Not much to say about this one: Adam G, the LOSER who got sued by Facebook and LOST, is the "celebrity" -he peddled dick cream, check Gooogle for details-, is behind it and has the support of the natural fit, Bobsurplus. In case that is not enough to run, not walk from it, you have the required censored thread in full bloom... here are two recent samples of posts eliminated by the perpetrators:

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Quote from: Paycoinzzz on May 03, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
Quote from: barabbas on May 03, 2015, 11:29:20 PM
The BULLSHIT is strong on this one.

You have all been warned... until they censor thr post, of course.

Speaking of bullshit everyone should check out your post history. How is it possible to make so many posts on hundreds of altcoin threads without a single one being positive.

Thank you for suggesting it. Everyone  should check the hid tory of those whose posts they are interested in. They should, in my case, also check both THE WALL OF HONOR and THE WALL OF SHAME. And, more recently, my call another "high flier" which, hopefully, contributed to save a lot of people a lot of money...

As for the abundance of bs and scams galore... well, the sad state of crypto as a whole tells the story better than I could, so ill let it do so precisely.

In this outright scam in particular i should only say that this guy hs s no clue as to how advertising works and especially advertising online. Not only the dick cream he peddled but nothing at all. And let me remind everyone that he was on the LOSING end of the fb lawsuit, total loser that he is. But he will manage, with bob's help, to scam you out of a few btc for sure.
Hopefully  not from too many of you...

For close references on "new ally" bob, check BAY history and that recent high flier now debunked i told you about above. And if all of this doesnt show you a clear picture of whats going on here, by all means spread your money any way you see fit. It wont be yours for long thats for sure.

If after all of this you still want to "test those waters", so to speak, well I believe you would need to have your head examined but, in any case, you are welcome to play the obvious at your own risk...